YTSEJAM Digest 5962
Today's Topics:
1) Being pulled from the shelves
by "Nafe, Tim" <Tim.Nafe@BestBuy.com>
2) RE: just wondering.....
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
3) RE: Meshuggah and progressive stasis
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
4) CDNow
by Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com>
5) Re[2]: Meshuggah and progressive stasis
by Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au>
6) Re: Re[2]: Meshuggah and progressive stasis
by "Internet Solutions Inc" <calfaro@yunque.net>
7) Re: Re[2]: Meshuggah and progressive stasis
by Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu>
8) Re: Meshuggah and progressive stasis
by "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net>
9) i can't realize that it was true
by "Sergey Shilov" <shilov@email.kht.ru>
10) RE: Being pulled from the shelves
by "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <todd@klindt.org>
11) RE: Being pulled from the shelves
by Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net>
12) Re: Being pulled from the shelves
by SymphonyXtasy@aol.com
13) Re: Meshuggah and progressive stasis
by Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu>
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:59:10 -0500
From: "Nafe, Tim" <Tim.Nafe@BestBuy.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Being pulled from the shelves
Message-ID: <73FA7FAE3C2BD311A56C0008C791A37209450EF8@cs03mail.bestbuy.com>
I work for Best Buy Co., Inc., and the corporate direction has been to pull
the new live CD from the shelves until further notice. This affects all
Best Buy stores and well as other Best Buy enterprise stores like Sam Goody,
On Cue, & Media Play.
Thanks,
Tim
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:20:01 -0500
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>,
Subject: RE: just wondering.....
Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A06BA2070@ISDCRE00>
Just imagine the amount of people that are going to dreamtheater.COM !!!
JM
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric George [SMTP:edgeorge@geneva.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:51 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: just wondering.....
>
> hey there all,
> just wondering if anyone knew, in light of everything that's
> happened, what has become of DT's homepage. i tried to find
> http://www.dreamtheater.net, but it keeps telling me that the server is
> down. is Mark Bredius still on the Jam? what's happened to the site??
> just thought i'd ask.
> -eric
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:02:32 -0500
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Meshuggah and progressive stasis
Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A06BA2078@ISDCRE00>
I would like Opeth as well if it weren't for the cookie monster vocals. I
went through a death metal phase back during high school but that was quite
a while back now.. :)
JM
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicholas Sakkos [SMTP:el00144@mail.ntua.gr]
> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:32 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re:Meshuggah and progressive stasis
>
>
> >One of the best progressive metal albums released this year is Opeth's
> >'Blackwater Park', but seems to get ignored by prog fans because of
> >the extreme harsh nature of some of the vox.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Funny you should mention it,most prog fans i know like that album.It
> was
> discussed here too when it came out.I got no problem with that kind of vo-
> cals but they just sounded monotonous to me on said album.
> And i do agree that prog metal bands (like Shadow Gallery you
> mentioned,
> Symphony X etc),though very good at what they do,seem very stationary and
> unable to surprise the listener with a new release.Since Psychotic Waltz
> are
> gone,all eyes are set on DT to make the difference because imho,SfaM
> didn't.
>
> prog on
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:18:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: CDNow
Message-ID: <20010913181808.81745.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com>
Well, I don't know what the final decision about
pulling DT's new release from the shelves was, but the
album is no longer being sold by CDNow. I went to
check today and it has completely disappeared. It's
not even listed...
Alexis
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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 04:57:44 +1000
From: Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au>
To: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Meshuggah and progressive stasis
Message-ID: <15245094743.20010914045744@optushome.com.au>
SJM> I would like Opeth as well if it weren't for the cookie monster vocals. I
SJM> went through a death metal phase back during high school but that was quite
SJM> a while back now.. :)
There are NO cookie monster vocals, isn't his band called Sesame
Street :) ?
You are missing out on some awesome bands with your dislike of
growling vox. They are far more exciting and progressive than the
like's
of many bands that are raved about here.
-- Best regards, Graham mailto:gjboyle@optushome.com.au------------------------------
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:34:17 -0400 From: "Internet Solutions Inc" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Meshuggah and progressive stasis Message-ID: <000501c13c8b$158fa260$39351ec8@atenas>
> > You are missing out on some awesome bands with your dislike of > growling vox. They are far more exciting and progressive than the > like's > of many bands that are raved about here.
Agreed, Specially with Opeth, they have some of the most interesting, dynamic, beautiful and downright KICK ASS music to hit the scene in a long time... definately worth checking out (and be re-listened to)
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:40:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Meshuggah and progressive stasis Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1010913173717.25396A-100000@sparcy.geneva.edu>
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Graham Boyle wrote:
> SJM> I would like Opeth as well if it weren't for the cookie monster vocals. I > SJM> went through a death metal phase back during high school but that was quite > SJM> a while back now.. :) > > There are NO cookie monster vocals, isn't his band called Sesame > Street :) ? > > You are missing out on some awesome bands with your dislike of > growling vox. They are far more exciting and progressive than the > like's > of many bands that are raved about here.
that may be the case, but only if you like that sort of thing. if you can't stand the vocals, and you find them unpleasant, than you're not really missing out on anything at all by not listening to something that you don't enjoy in the first place. i don't lose any sleep over it. :)
-eric
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:25:35 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Meshuggah and progressive stasis Message-ID: <3BA1406F.D98C2665@yunque.net>
> > > that may be the case, but only if you like that sort of thing. if you > can't stand the vocals, and you find them unpleasant, than you're not > really missing out on anything at all by not listening to something that > you don't enjoy in the first place. i don't lose any sleep over it. :) > > -eric
You would still be missing out on the music BEHIND those vocals... wouldnt you say the same thing to someone who dismisses the music of Dream Theater because they have "one of those 80's sounding , screaming singers with high pitched voice" ;)
-Carlos
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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:43:57 +0400 From: "Sergey Shilov" <shilov@email.kht.ru> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>, <themirror@yahoogroops.com> Subject: i can't realize that it was true Message-ID: <001401c13cfa$ed15bd40$e9893bd5@guest>
the first thing that came to my mind was that i'm watching another hollywood movie. even today i can't realize that it was true. you know here in russia two years ago terrorists blow up several buildings in moscow and every week i hear about some terror acts in chechnya but noone can imagine such a tragedy. i'd heard about more than 10,000 victums and i can't imagine what were their last thoughts when they realize that there is no escape from the burning towers. in a moment several fanatics killed thousands and bring pain to millions. i do not know why it was happened? what was the purpose? such tragedies make people stronger. i wish you to rebuild the ruins and show those f***ing bastards what do you think about them.
every one in russian share your pain and pray for resquing as many people as possible
sergey shilov khabarovsk russian
email: sergeyshilov@yandex.ru shilov@email.kht.ru
www: http://deadman.by.ru/ http://dreamtheater.by.ru
p.s. i do not think it is a good idea to change the cover of the new album. it would be better to keep it as a reminder of such a fatal tragedy.
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:35:28 -0500 From: "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <todd@klindt.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Being pulled from the shelves Message-ID: <03b501c13cc5$ea903df0$3864a8c0@klindt.org>
I just went to my local Sam Goody and it had already been pulled from the shelves. Luckily I buy a lot of CDs so I know the guys there well. One guy, Jared, keeps all the good stuff on one end cap. The guy that had taken all the others off the shelf had forgotten about Jared's end cap, so I got the last one.
I feel bad for DT. I can't imagine how hard it was for them to swing a 3 CD set and then have this happen. Sorry guys.
tk
Todd O. Klindt, MCSE todd@klindt.org "Remember, the government doesn't create one dollar. When you get a dollar, that means the government took it from someone else." -Governor Jesse Ventura
-----Original Message----- From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of Nafe, Tim Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Being pulled from the shelves
I work for Best Buy Co., Inc., and the corporate direction has been to pull the new live CD from the shelves until further notice. This affects all Best Buy stores and well as other Best Buy enterprise stores like Sam Goody, On Cue, & Media Play.
Thanks, Tim
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:46:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Being pulled from the shelves Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0109132245560.7643-100000@cider.ecosoft.com>
I called Newbury comics at 10am this morning and they had em and put one aside for me. My gf went and picked it up an hour later and they weren't even aware of what was on the cover..
A sad collectible indeed....
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Todd O. Klindt, MCSE wrote:
> I just went to my local Sam Goody and it had already been pulled from > the shelves. Luckily I buy a lot of CDs so I know the guys there well. > One guy, Jared, keeps all the good stuff on one end cap. The guy that > had taken all the others off the shelf had forgotten about Jared's end > cap, so I got the last one. > > I feel bad for DT. I can't imagine how hard it was for them to swing a > 3 CD set and then have this happen. Sorry guys. > > tk > > Todd O. Klindt, MCSE > todd@klindt.org > "Remember, the government doesn't create one dollar. > When you get a dollar, that means the government > took it from someone else." > -Governor Jesse Ventura > > -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of > Nafe, Tim > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:12 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Being pulled from the shelves > > > I work for Best Buy Co., Inc., and the corporate direction has been to > pull the new live CD from the shelves until further notice. This > affects all Best Buy stores and well as other Best Buy enterprise stores > like Sam Goody, On Cue, & Media Play. > > Thanks, > Tim > > >
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:47:22 EDT From: SymphonyXtasy@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Being pulled from the shelves Message-ID: <1e.1b31e604.28d2d7ca@aol.com>
I got mine from Newbury Comics yesterday once I heard what was on the cover. While it is a sad (and almost disturbing) coincidence, I think recalling/removing the CDs are going a bit too far.
-Brent
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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 01:34:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Meshuggah and progressive stasis Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1010914012104.9155A-100000@sparcy.geneva.edu>
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez wrote:
> > > > > > that may be the case, but only if you like that sort of thing. if you > > can't stand the vocals, and you find them unpleasant, than you're not > > really missing out on anything at all by not listening to something that > > you don't enjoy in the first place. i don't lose any sleep over it. :) > > > > -eric > > You would still be missing out on the music BEHIND those vocals... > wouldnt you say the same thing to someone who dismisses the music of > Dream Theater because they have "one of those 80's sounding , > screaming singers with high pitched voice" > ;) > > -Carlos
you're right, i would be missing out on the music BEHIND the cookie monster vocals. point well made about the DT thing. when someone writes them off because of labrie's vocals (as has happened), i am very quick to point out to the person the musicianship of the other band members. however, it's simply for the sake of them acknowledging the fact that there is honest talent in the instrument playing, regardless of the preference of vocals. that should in no way mean they should like how the overall musical product sounds though. i never said that these bands (opeth, meshuggah, etc.) didn't have talented instrumentalists behind them. in fact, they're quite good. being a drummer & a songwriter, i can completely appreciate what they are doing. good arrangements, unbelievable playing, yadda yadda. but also being a trained vocalist of over 10 years, i can't appreciate, enjoy, or find musical merit behind screaching, growling, shrieking, and whatever other noises some of these bands resort to. cradle of (crap) filth has to be my all time favorite example when it comes to vocals. unreal. NOT a singer. anyhow, whether i appreciate the instrumentation or not, if i don't like the sound produced on the whole, vocals included, then i don't listen to it. i would expect the same of those who like DT's instrumentation, but can't stand labrie. no love lost. "that's my story, & i'm sticking to it." :)
-eric
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