YTSEJAM Digest 5966
Today's Topics:
1) RE: eBay and stuff.
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
2) this whole album thing
by D2112T@aol.com
3) JR benefit show
by "mikE emerson" <cthulhu@cybernex.net>
4) Presale password
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
5) Re: "Collector's Item"
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
6) Hmm
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
7) DT CD on Ebay
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
8) LSFNY
by "Dale Newberry" <fat_tire@hotmail.com>
9) Tool-Presale
by IAmClay777@aol.com
10) Re: JR benefit show
by "michele moran" <michele@johndoe.org>
11) Live: Scenes From New York with recalled artwork for whoever needs one
by crow <crow@carr.org>
12) Re: "Collector's Item"
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:53:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: eBay and stuff.
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0109171150510.73443-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Adam Perkowsky wrote:
> I have a friend who wanted to auction off the extra copy of "Live
> Scenes From New York" that he bought last Tuesday. He was going to
> auction the CD off starting at $20 (his cost). If the bids were
> higher, he was going to donate anything over $20 to the Red Cross. At
> first, he was going to run an auction with a "Buy It Now" price of
> $20, just so that someone who couldn't get the CD would be able to get
> it at the normal price.
It's actually a good thing that he didn't do it, because the Red Cross
doesn't allow people to collect donations without their written permission
first. I don't know if it would translate to this, but if he said in the
auction that the profits from the CD would be donated to the Red Cross,
that might be construed as raising funds for the Red Cross without
permission, which would violate their policy.
> eBay is no longer accepting auction for LSFNY and is wiping out those
> that are still running. It's a shame that my friend can't do the right
> thing, yet there are scumbags on eBay who are setting the "Buy It Now"
> price at $90! I did see one LSFNY auction where someone bid $1,499. Of
> course, that was a fake bid to make sure that nobody won the auction.
I think it's good that they're not allowing it. They should have been
paying attention closer anyway, bsince they wouldn't allow WTC-related
stuff to be sold, and this is most definitely WTC-related.
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
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"It isn't pollution that's harming the environ-
ment. It's the impurities in our air and water
that are doing it."
- Dan Quayle
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:00:47 EDT
From: D2112T@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: this whole album thing
Message-ID: <f2.fa577b4.28d7782f@aol.com>
People Please.
Who cares about the artwork of this album....do you wanna see artwork...go
down to the Memorial Wall in NYC and looks at the faces that are no longer
here...visit the murals that have risen around the city...light a
candle....say a prayer
That is what is of concern
darlene
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:15:38 -0400
From: "mikE emerson" <cthulhu@cybernex.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: JR benefit show
Message-ID: <006201c13f93$fd6a9e90$040310ac@mje001>
greetings!
i just bought my ticket for the show next week, and i'm looking forward to
seeing all of you other rabid ( ;op ) DT and/or Jordan Rudess fans there in
support of an obviously worthwhile cause (and to hear some great music, as
well :oD )...
take care, and i hope all is well with everyone (all things considered)...
mikE emerson
cthulhu@cybernex.net
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:19:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: The Dance of Ytinrete <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Presale password
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0109171217470.18505-100000@gs.bass.org>
To buy during the presale period, you must use the password to buy any
ticket. After the presale period, it becomes open to anyone to buy
whatever tickets are left.
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:26:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: "Collector's Item"
Message-ID: <20010917162605.20563.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com>
"Nicholas Sakkos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr> wrote:
> If it hadn't been recalled, those people wouldn't be
able to sell
> these discs on Ebay now. It's not about the artwork.
It's about the
> CD not being available anymore because of the
artwork.
Yeah, pulling the cd has made it "rare", and thus an
Ebay type item.
As for pulling the cd in the first place, I don't see
the point. Sure, there's a lot of emotion right now,
and everyone wants to do something "symbolic" in
sympathy and support. But is DT or the record company
being accused of making money on the tragedy? If they
are being accused, then that is total bullshit and
hypocracy.
I have seen the images of the planes colliding and the
burning towers BILLIONS of times now. It's been on tv
over and over. All the tv stations are using the
burning buildings and plane collisions as background
graphics for EVERYTHING. Every magazine and newspaper
has thousands of images of the disaster, including on
the covers. Has the media stopped making money? Is
Time magazine free this week? Of course not. They've
been making money for a week now on this tragedy.
And Dream Theater has to recall a disc with a cover
that has nothing to do with the tragedy? Give me a
break.
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:35:47 -0500
From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Hmm
Message-ID: <000c01c13f96$cf39cac0$0b01a8c0@mindspring.com>
> From: "Jason L. Gelnett" <jgelnett@tampabay.rr.com>
> OK I have read and re-read some of the things that were said here, but I
> just don't get it??? I agree that Tue was one of the worst days in our
> great Nations history. But to get pissed at people on eBay???
What is there to "get" ? If someone saw this as a profit opportunity,
to sell a cd cover that is going to be rare, then that shows you what the
priority is for that person. Not the fact that so many people were killed,
and not the fact that so many more _will_ die as a result of last Tuesday,
but the fact that "Hey, now I can get a couple of these and sell them for
twice what I paid." That is a shitty person. I don't _care_ if it's a
capitalist society. These people aren't providing a service. They're
fucking profiting on other peoples' tragedy. It's just wrong.
> From: "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@home.com>
> Did you not get one Ptacek? :)
> If you did, are you destroying it and buying the reissue?
Heheh I'm not sure if you were trying to "catch" me in something or
whatever, but I didn't buy the disc, because I woke up last Tuesday with the
news report, and because honestly I was bored to tears with the DVD. If I
did buy it, I would keep it, but I wouldn't showcase it and show my friends
"Hey you want to see something cool?", and I wouldn't try to make money off
it, and I wouldn't bring it before the band and show it off.
> I did buy a bunch, but I'm selling them at my cost right now. ($30 inc
tax)
> to fans who couldn't get one.
I understand being a psycho fan and NEEDING the disc. I was like that
back when I&W came out etc. I respect selling copies for what you paid, as
a service. That's really cool of you. You're not alone as someone who
would be impacted negatively by seeing this album delayed. However, the
second your price goes up... why not just go invest short term in a body
bag manufacturer while you're at it? The profit has a source. That event
on 9-11-01 is different from anything in history, for America. I have
friends who lost family. I have friends who are going to be sent off to
fight because of this, and this is perhaps the most uncertain war that has
ever been fought. If you don't end up affected by what has happened or what
will happen in the near future, trust me, you're in the minority.
> I can't help if the price goes up, that's supply and demand. It's only a
cd,
> it's not like I'm trying to sell pieces of the WTC...
Isn't it? Why would the cd be selling for more than retail? It's
because of the WTC and nothing else. You can say it's because of a recall
or whatever you want, dude, but the only fact here is that it all comes back
to the WTC. I think it's the wrong mentality.
Listen, I'm not going to spam the jam with this. I shouldn't even be
replying, because I know that everyone on this list is as stubborn as I am.
After I send this, I'm unsubscribing, permanently... this just isn't my
group of people anymore. No offense. I am not as big a fan as I used to
be. I'm not into the arguments and stuff... I don't see any news here that
I haven't seen elsewhere, and basically, I'm probably just taking up space
by being here. So don't worry about arguing with me... I didn't want to
start a flame war. Good luck and best wishes to all of you, and may the
next DT disc be their best yet.
- Chris
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:21:39 -0400
From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: DT CD on Ebay
Message-ID: <3BA64D20.BBE16639@mindspring.com>
I agree and concur with Joe regarding the CD on Ebay. If you set the price at the list price, and it
rises, incrementally to astronomical figures, sure, that is the laws of supply & demand setting their
precedent. Otherwise, the poor lost souls who using opportunity to set the bar at high prices to begin
with, well, they are pure greedy capitalistic cretins, and worse. I would say, don't involve yourself
in a bid that goes against your personal principles and integrity. Anyhow, personally, I'm awaiting the
next STUDIO release early next year, instead.
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:21:38 -0500
From: "Dale Newberry" <fat_tire@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: LSFNY
Message-ID: <F212eXLUetGZfNq28JA00013703@hotmail.com>
Hey, for anyone in the St. Louis area that would like a copy of the CD< I
saw about 3-4 copies at Slacker's CDs and Games in O'Fallon, IL (just off
I-64 maybe 15-20 miles form St. Louis). I picked one up and they still had
a few. The music does, indeed kick ass. I've been thoroughly enjoying it,
especially since I don't have the DVD (though I have seen it).
Dale R> Newberry
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 21:04:56 EDT
From: IAmClay777@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Tool-Presale
Message-ID: <12e.4b4d46f.28d7f7b8@aol.com>
I ahven't used them...Though they did have one for DC, unfortunately I will
be out of town so I will miss Tool and Fantomas... Grr. But yes, they do
work. Sign up at www.toolband.com
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:33:07 -0400
From: "michele moran" <michele@johndoe.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: JR benefit show
Message-ID: <00c901c13fea$4147b480$4d25fc9e@ivan>
I bought my ticket today, as well.
Anyone else going?
michele
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people die, any more than it ceases to
be serious when people laugh."
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----- Original Message -----
From: "mikE emerson" <cthulhu@cybernex.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:27 PM
Subject: JR benefit show
> greetings!
>
> i just bought my ticket for the show next week, and i'm looking forward to
> seeing all of you other rabid ( ;op ) DT and/or Jordan Rudess fans there
in
> support of an obviously worthwhile cause (and to hear some great music, as
> well :oD )...
>
> take care, and i hope all is well with everyone (all things considered)...
>
>
> mikE emerson
> cthulhu@cybernex.net
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Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:10:49 -0400
From: crow <crow@carr.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Live: Scenes From New York with recalled artwork for whoever needs one
Message-ID: <3BA747D9.C926049@ccpl.carr.org>
After hearing of all the Ytsejamers who have attempted to buy the
recalled artwork version of Live: Scenes From New York and found it
pulled already at all their local stores, I went out and bought several
extra copies from a small local cd store. I will sell them AT COST to
the first first people to email me. I have 5 extra copies, all still
sealed. The cost is 20.99 plus actual shipping costs. If you would
like it sent regular delivery, add an additional dollar and if you would
like Priority Mail add 4 dollars.
If I get a quick response I "might" be able to get some more. I will
not promise anything beyond the 5 I already have because the rest of the
stock could be pulled from the store before I can get there to buy
additonal copies but there were more on the shelves when I got them. I
am not looking to make a profit but seeing as how I could still find
copies when so many other 'jammers couldn't I thought I would help out
as many people as I could.
I will be leaving for work in a few minutes so I won't be able to
respond to any emails until later this evening. I'll respond to you
definitely within 24 hours, and most likely within 12. I will let you
know if I still have any left and send you my mailing address at that
time. I will accept cash and money orders only. If you want to look at
my feedback on ebay my username is ravens-fan and the email address will
match. I have been on ebay for over 3 years and I have never had either
a neutral or negative feedback.
Just looking to contribute to our little community here,
Chris
crow@ccpl.carr.org
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Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 08:13:17 -0700
From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: "Collector's Item"
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010918080638.02034158@pop-server.san.rr.com>
At 09:27 AM 9/17/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>I have seen the images of the planes colliding and the
>burning towers BILLIONS of times now. It's been on tv
>over and over. All the tv stations are using the
>burning buildings and plane collisions as background
>graphics for EVERYTHING.
Yeah, as a matter of fact, I saw Megadeth last night and Dave
mentioned something about the back of the "Peace Sells...Who's Buying?"
album..."We knew this shit was coming..." Certainly looks like NYC
the covers. Has the media stopped making money? Is
>Time magazine free this week? Of course not. They've
>been making money for a week now on this tragedy.
>
>And Dream Theater has to recall a disc with a cover
>that has nothing to do with the tragedy? Give me a
>break.
Good point, but the record label would have never pulled the CD if
the media hadn't picked up on it... Once DT was getting some press about
the cover, they were pretty much forced into recalling it...from a PR point
of view that is... Plus I am sure the guys in the band probably cringed a
bit when they drew the connection to the album, released on the same day as
the attacks. Suddenly, a rather innocuous album cover (that most people
wouldn't have really thought about too much), because a really eerie
reminder...
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