YTSEJAM Digest 6181
Today's Topics:
1) MoP cover
by Sebastian Keil <keil.s@web.de>
2) help
by "ApolloNollo" <apollonollo@libero.it>
3) Re: Rush and Dream Theater
by Jeff Gutenberg <jeff.gutenberg@verizon.net>
4) Re: Rush and Dream Theater
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
5) DT and Rush
by "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@attbi.com>
6) Re: DT and Rush
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
7) RE: help
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:49:33 +0200
From: Sebastian Keil <keil.s@web.de>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: MoP cover
Message-ID: <200204232149.g3NLnXv07198@mailgate5.cinetic.de>
Hi,
sorry for the confusion, I think I meant the Barcelona show, of which the MoP mp3's were floating around. I saw the covers on ebay, just before the auctions were pulled.
sab
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:57:38 +0200 From: "ApolloNollo" <apollonollo@libero.it> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: help Message-ID: <012a01c1eb11$e2c1af00$e0ac2697@portatile>
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how can i unsubscribe this mailing-list? -- ciau ciau ApolloNollo
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:10:27 -0400 From: Jeff Gutenberg <jeff.gutenberg@verizon.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Rush and Dream Theater Message-ID: <4C9BAFC7-570F-11D6-993C-000A278C89AC@verizon.net>
Um...Paul Northfield is a long time friend of the band who engineered several of their albums - THAT'S why he was chosen to co-produce "Vapor Trails," not because he produced Hole and Marilyn Manson. (Northfield also worked with Yes back in the mid-70s alongside Eddy Offord.) And Geddy Lee, to my knowledge, has never disavowed prog or "Xanadu" in any way, shape or form. In fact, when asked which album in his collection he would like to have on a desert island, he chose Yes' "Relayer."
-- Jeff (YtseJammer since sometime in the mid-90s) :^)
> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:24:48 -0400 > From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net> > To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > Subject: Re: Rush and Dream Theater > Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020423112013.00a4c050@mail.comcast.net> > > Hmmmm. Somehow, I think Rush wants to run from the progressive label. > Look > at the bands that did open for them since counterparts. IN the 80s, they > had Max Webster. IN the early 90s, they had MR. Bigg. Then, on the > counterparts tour, they had CandleBox. I think Rush wants to be > associated > more with the alternative scene these days than anything else. Look at > who > they got to produce their album. The guy who did Hole and Marilyn > Manson. I > don't see Terry Brown, Kevin Sherley, or any of the others doing > progressive stuff. Hell, how much of their old 70s stuff do they even > play > anymore, anyway? They did 2112 on their last tour, yes. But to me, 2112 > is > more along the lines of hard rock than progressive, the only thing that > makes 2112 prog is the length of the song. There are really no odd time > sigs in that one, no keyboards, nothing that makes 2112 stand out loke a > close to the edge. hell, you can feasibly separate 2112 into separate > songs, try to do that with Close to the Edge and you may get a headache. > So, I don't think you'll be seeing Rush acknowledge prog that much. > Hell, I > remember reading in an interview that Geddy hates Xanadu, and that is a > prog song if I ever heard it. Why do you think they don't play the whole > thing? I think they honor their past, but I don't think you'll be seeing > much in the way of serious prog from them, since they want to stay with > the > trend. Just my opinion, and I still love the band, but they stopped > doing > prog around 1983 or so. To me, the Camera Eye was the last prog song > they > did. While SubDivisions is a great tune and very odd time based, I don't > see it really as the same kind of prog that Xanadu, The Trees, La Villa, > and The camera Eye are. > > Only my opinion, though. If somebody wants to disagree, that's > fine.
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:19:08 -0400 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Rush and Dream Theater Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020423201849.00a42b20@mail.comcast.net>
No, he never slammed proggers, I just feel like they have moved away from that scene a bit.
At 07:32 PM 4/23/2002, you wrote: >Um...Paul Northfield is a long time friend of the band who engineered >several of their albums - THAT'S why he was chosen to co-produce "Vapor >Trails," not because he produced Hole and Marilyn Manson. (Northfield >also worked with Yes back in the mid-70s alongside Eddy Offord.) And >Geddy Lee, to my knowledge, has never disavowed prog or "Xanadu" in any >way, shape or form. In fact, when asked which album in his collection >he would like to have on a desert island, he chose Yes' "Relayer." > >-- Jeff (YtseJammer since sometime in the mid-90s) :^) > > > > > Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:24:48 -0400 > > From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net> > > To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > > Subject: Re: Rush and Dream Theater > > Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020423112013.00a4c050@mail.comcast.net> > > > > Hmmmm. Somehow, I think Rush wants to run from the progressive label. > > Look > > at the bands that did open for them since counterparts. IN the 80s, they > > had Max Webster. IN the early 90s, they had MR. Bigg. Then, on the > > counterparts tour, they had CandleBox. I think Rush wants to be > > associated > > more with the alternative scene these days than anything else. Look at > > who > > they got to produce their album. The guy who did Hole and Marilyn > > Manson. I > > don't see Terry Brown, Kevin Sherley, or any of the others doing > > progressive stuff. Hell, how much of their old 70s stuff do they even > > play > > anymore, anyway? They did 2112 on their last tour, yes. But to me, 2112 > > is > > more along the lines of hard rock than progressive, the only thing that > > makes 2112 prog is the length of the song. There are really no odd time > > sigs in that one, no keyboards, nothing that makes 2112 stand out loke a > > close to the edge. hell, you can feasibly separate 2112 into separate > > songs, try to do that with Close to the Edge and you may get a headache. > > So, I don't think you'll be seeing Rush acknowledge prog that much. > > Hell, I > > remember reading in an interview that Geddy hates Xanadu, and that is a > > prog song if I ever heard it. Why do you think they don't play the whole > > thing? I think they honor their past, but I don't think you'll be seeing > > much in the way of serious prog from them, since they want to stay with > > the > > trend. Just my opinion, and I still love the band, but they stopped > > doing > > prog around 1983 or so. To me, the Camera Eye was the last prog song > > they > > did. While SubDivisions is a great tune and very odd time based, I don't > > see it really as the same kind of prog that Xanadu, The Trees, La Villa, > > and The camera Eye are. > > > > Only my opinion, though. If somebody wants to disagree, that's > > fine.
-- Damon Fibraio, email dfibraio@comcast.net aol instant messenger screenname: dfibraio MSN Messenger screenname: dfibraio@comcast.net Yahoo messenger name: Damon_m_f Band sites: Visions: http://www.visions692000.com: Mystify: http://www.mystify2001.com To purchase the No Holds Barred Radio box set, see http://www.nhbradio.com "All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars, All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars Turn around and walk the razor's edge, Don't turn your back and slam the door on me."--Neil Peart of Rush, from the song, The Pass
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:58:39 -0400 From: "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@attbi.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT and Rush Message-ID: <3CC6498F.4D95@attbi.com>
> From: David or Tammy Landis <tdlandis@earthlink.net> > Subject: Rush and Dream Theater > > It's too bad that Dream Theater couldn't have toured with Rush this > summer! Although I do remember when Rush criticized the bands that put > together the "Working Man" tribute album, including DT.
Indeed, Neil labeled the bands involved as "garage bands," if I remember my almost-ancient history correctly. I thought that was a bit unfair to names like DT, Fates Warning and, say, Steve Morse...so much so that I, a Rush fan since Moving Pictures came out, boycotted Test For Echo for a week after its release. --And on the Ytsejam at least, I wasn't alone.
This is one reason why I'm not as deeply affected by the impending release of Vapour Trails -- and the just-revealed Atlanta tourdate, October 13th -- as I used to be about ANY new Rush news. The fact that "One Little Victory" seems like a weak single doesn't help much, either.
In the years since I've discovered DT, joined this mailing list and found a myriad of really cool, talented bands -- and the occasional stinker -- I've realized that there are many bands out there who are Rush's equals, and some that, wonder of wonders, can even rise above. This would have been unthinkable to me in 1992. It is unthinkable no longer.
> But wouldn't it > have been great if DT was asked to open the tour with an hour long set?
That's about 1.4 6DoIT's..... About 2.1 ACoS's..... For DT, a one-hour set would be a travesty. And yet..... > It would have been great exposure for the band, not to mention > recognizing DT as one of the best progressive bands out there right now. > I think it would have been great exposure for Rush as well, recognizing > the new sound of progressive rock and crediting the genre that made them > so big.
..this is all true. But as others have observed, Rush hasn't been All About Progressive for some time now. Oh, well. They may have released one of the weaker songs from the new CD as the first single. For Rush, this is almost a tradition, IMO. Time will tell. :)
-- +--- Paul W. Cashman, ICQ #4151223 www.paulcashman.com ----+ | **** NEW email: pellaz@attbi.com | | **** NEW website address: http://home.attbi.com/~pellaz | +---------------------------------------------------------------+
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:28:32 -0400 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: DT and Rush Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020424032649.00a42010@mail.comcast.net>
Well, what was the last strong single Rush released? Hell, look at the Chronicles Cd. Rush released some really strong stuff, back then, assuming those songs off of Chronicles were singles. What did we get from Counterparts? Stick it out? Ugh. I like the song, but geez, Cut to the Chase was so much better than that. And we got Test for Echo from TFE, and yet Driven kicked that song's ass, not to mention time and motion. I hope that VT has better songs than One little victory, as much as I like parts of it, I am just left a little cold by it. I agree with some others when I say that I miss the keys and the cool Neil Peart drum parts and the off time sigs and shit like that.
At 02:14 AM 4/24/2002, you wrote: > > From: David or Tammy Landis <tdlandis@earthlink.net> > > Subject: Rush and Dream Theater > > > > It's too bad that Dream Theater couldn't have toured with Rush this > > summer! Although I do remember when Rush criticized the bands that put > > together the "Working Man" tribute album, including DT. > >Indeed, Neil labeled the bands involved as "garage bands," if I remember >my almost-ancient history correctly. I thought that was a bit unfair >to names like DT, Fates Warning and, say, Steve Morse...so much so that >I, a Rush fan since Moving Pictures came out, boycotted Test For Echo >for a week after its release. --And on the Ytsejam at least, I wasn't >alone. > >This is one reason why I'm not as deeply affected by the impending >release of Vapour Trails -- and the just-revealed Atlanta tourdate, >October 13th -- as I used to be about ANY new Rush news. The fact that >"One Little Victory" seems like a weak single doesn't help much, either. > >In the years since I've discovered DT, joined this mailing list and >found a myriad of really cool, talented bands -- and the occasional >stinker -- I've realized that there are many bands out there who are >Rush's equals, and some that, wonder of wonders, can even rise above. >This would have been unthinkable to me in 1992. It is unthinkable no >longer. > > > But wouldn't it > > have been great if DT was asked to open the tour with an hour long set? > >That's about 1.4 6DoIT's..... About 2.1 ACoS's..... For DT, a >one-hour set would be a travesty. And yet..... > > It would have been great exposure for the band, not to mention > > recognizing DT as one of the best progressive bands out there right now. > > I think it would have been great exposure for Rush as well, recognizing > > the new sound of progressive rock and crediting the genre that made them > > so big. > >..this is all true. But as others have observed, Rush hasn't been All >About Progressive for some time now. Oh, well. They may have released >one of the weaker songs from the new CD as the first single. For Rush, >this is almost a tradition, IMO. Time will tell. :) > > >-- >+--- Paul W. Cashman, ICQ #4151223 www.paulcashman.com ----+ >| **** NEW email: pellaz@attbi.com | >| **** NEW website address: http://home.attbi.com/~pellaz | >+---------------------------------------------------------------+
-- Damon Fibraio, email dfibraio@comcast.net aol instant messenger screenname: dfibraio MSN Messenger screenname: dfibraio@comcast.net Yahoo messenger name: Damon_m_f Band sites: Visions: http://www.visions692000.com: Mystify: http://www.mystify2001.com To purchase the No Holds Barred Radio box set, see http://www.nhbradio.com "All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars, All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars Turn around and walk the razor's edge, Don't turn your back and slam the door on me."--Neil Peart of Rush, from the song, The Pass
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 07:30:51 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: help Message-ID: <3CEB2BD450223743A4895C0D0C5DFC3AE0FA87@haxlcsechp0.healthaxis.dom>
Hi Apollo (ono?) When you signed up there was a piece of Email that contains instructions on how to change your subscription or unsubscribe as well. Please refer to that document. If you deleted it, that is your fault... ;)
JM
> -----Original Message----- > From: ApolloNollo [SMTP:apollonollo@libero.it] > > Messaggio in formato MIME composto da piy parti. > > > how can i unsubscribe this mailing-list? > -- > ciau ciau > ApolloNollo > >
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