YTSEJAM Digest 6183
Today's Topics:
1) "Best of" - one other thing to consider
by Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com>
2) Re: "Best of" CD - what if?
by WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
3) Re: "Best of" CD - what if?
by "Rick Rosinski" <rick@rosinski.com>
4) Test Message/Rush Tribute
by Barbara Battaglia <babs4@frontiernet.net>
5) DT best of CD
by WoodyTJ34@aol.com
6) DT "Best of"
by "Stephen Gervois" <sgervois@atmel.fr>
7) RE: YET-SEE-JAM
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
8) RE: YET-SEE-JAM
by "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
9) Re: DT,Rush and other delights
by Craig Maloney <craig@ic.net>
10) RE: YET-SEE-JAM
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
11) Re: "Best of" CD - what if?
by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
12) Re: DT best of CD
by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
13) Re: "Best of" CD - what if?
by Craig Maloney <craig@ic.net>
14) Re: DT best of CD
by "Lisa Palma" <lisa@palma.net>
15) RE: YET-SEE-JAM
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
16) RE: OldTimers reunite...
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
17) NEARfest 2002 tickets
by Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com>
18) For you and me.... We agree.
by colt seaver <luiscachavez@yahoo.com>
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:12:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: "Best of" - one other thing to consider
Message-ID: <20020425221231.40511.qmail@web10704.mail.yahoo.com>
Yes' Greatest Hits, "Highlights - Very Best of Yes" is SIMPLY HORRIBLE
because they chose ONLY their "hits" like "Owner of a Lonely Heart" and
left out all the stuff that makes them "Yes"!!!
I bought that thing, wanting to see what all the fuss was about with
Yes and thought the whole compilation just STANK. Now I'm older and
wiser and realize that it simply is a garbage comp.
Who knows how many potential Yes fans have turned away from the band
because their "Greatest Hits" is just NAST?
Anyway, I hope Dream Theater doesn't make the same mistake with a track
lineup like this:
1. Pull Me Under
2. Another Day
3. Take the Time
4. The Silent Man
5. Lie
6. Peruvian Skies
7. Hollow Years
8. Burning my Soul
9. Anna Lee
10. The Spirit Carries On
I mean, I really can see something like this happening! Granted, some
of the songs above are okay and/or inspirational, but they are NOT
REPRESENTATIVE of what Dream Theater is. God, I hope Mike Porntoy is
in charge of picking the tracks if anything happens in this area.
- Dr. Teeth
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:21:09 -0400
From: WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: "Best of" CD - what if?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020425181203.019ae7c8@cs.millersville.edu>
>If Dream Theater released a "Best of" CD, should they include their big
>hit, "Pull Me Under"??? Isn't that a HORRIBLE dilemma? Obviously it
>helped them gain popularity, but really isn't close to what they're
>capable of and they supposedly don't play it in concert anymore. Oh,
>to please the general public or please the true fans?
They still play it and, yep, "Pull Me Under" would definitely be on their
best of album if it were to come about. Hell, there'd probably be a
sticker on the front that says "Featuring Pull Me Under". It's a marketing
decision -- if you're making a best of album, you put the band's best known
song on it, even if it's not particularly representative of the rest of
their catalog. Just be glad Dream Theater's best known song doesn't suck!
Brian
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:49:37 -0400
From: "Rick Rosinski" <rick@rosinski.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: "Best of" CD - what if?
Message-ID: <0e8601c1ecbc$3e2bf700$6401a8c0@amd1>
> If Dream Theater released a "Best of" CD, should they include their big
> hit, "Pull Me Under"??? Isn't that a HORRIBLE dilemma? Obviously it
> helped them gain popularity, but really isn't close to what they're
> capable of and they supposedly don't play it in concert anymore. Oh,
> to please the general public or please the true fans?
>
They should definitely include PMU in any "Best Of" compilation. I think
it's still a great song and it's at least one song that others may have
heard.
As for playing it in concert, they ARE in fact playing it still. I heard it
at the Detroit show on March 19.
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:34:48 -0400
From: Barbara Battaglia <babs4@frontiernet.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Test Message/Rush Tribute
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020425223448.007f9b30@pop3.frontiernet.net>
Hello everyone (grin)! I've tried to post a couple other times from the
"reminiscing" phase and they have never shown up on here. Hope this one
gets through! Nice to see you are still around Al!
As for the Rush tribute, all I can remember is the members of Rush being
very upset about it coming out and saying "we're not dead yet". Something
on that order. Of course we all went out and bought the cd anyways
(defiant bastards that we are!).
BABS
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:40:23 EDT
From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: DT best of CD
Message-ID: <16a.cbbbe9f.29fa2627@aol.com>
I just put together a CD for one of my friends. I took most of my favorites
but I focused on all the heavy tracks. The ones I picked were:
1. The Glass Prison
2. Strange Deja Vu
3. Pull Me Under
4. Burning My Soul
5. Mirror
6. Home
7. The Test That Stumped Them All
8. Lie
9. Beyond This Life
10. War Inside My Head
I think it would be hard to come up with a true best of CD. Would you make
it hard or soft? There is only on clear cut DT hit and that is PMU. The
rest of the world could give two shits about anything this band puts out. On
the other hand, DT's fans will buy anything they put out. I would love to
see it come out, but I think this fan base is so diverse with their favorite
songs that one cd would not be enough or would not cover the entire spectrum.
I have recently gone through all the albums w/ James on vocals from front to
back & put them in order from favorite to least favorite. I'll post it when
I have the time. I think it would be interesting to Poll this. Someone with
a ton of spare time on their hands could then put together, then, we could
have a true list of the best of DT.
See ya,
Todd
P.S. Could some on put the word "ytsejam" on the list & sound it out
phonically? I am still puzzled on how to pronounce it to friends & family.
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 06:53:32 +0200
From: "Stephen Gervois" <sgervois@atmel.fr>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: DT "Best of"
Message-ID: <034c01c1ecde$514ed420$3cff9f0a@pc0099>
The problem being :
1) General public don't have all the DT stuff.
2) True fans have all DT material and most songs doubled or trippled with
concert bootlegs older demo versions ect...
Would a "Best of" CD work on their fan base ?
I would love it if DT re-recorded strange and wonderful new versions of
their old songs for a "Best of".
Wouldn't that be bliss ? :) Paradise ? :) Utopia ? :)
See ye soon,
I'm crossing my fingers for the future,
A carbon based bipedal lifeform descendant from the apes
> But my question is...
>
> If Dream Theater released a "Best of" CD, should they include their big
> hit, "Pull Me Under"??? Isn't that a HORRIBLE dilemma? Obviously it
> helped them gain popularity, but really isn't close to what they're
> capable of and they supposedly don't play it in concert anymore. Oh,
> to please the general public or please the true fans?
>
> What do you think?
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:19:46 -0500
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: YET-SEE-JAM
Message-ID: <3CEB2BD450223743A4895C0D0C5DFC3AE0FB22@haxlcsechp0.healthaxis.dom>
As James has pronounced it live when introducing the song:
YET - SEE - JAM
Some people wanna tell you "yit", but don't listen to 'em. There ain't no
"i" :)
JM
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com [SMTP:WoodyTJ34@aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:49 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: DT best of CD
>
>
> P.S. Could some on put the word "ytsejam" on the list & sound it out
> phonically? I am still puzzled on how to pronounce it to friends &
> family.
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:22:35 -0400
From: "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: YET-SEE-JAM
Message-ID: <EGEIJAKNLNKPLAHMKAIPGEMACLAA.hrivera@crp.org>
>As James has pronounced it live when introducing the song:
But he's a Canuck, for crying out loud! Are you going to trust his
pronunciation? ;)
joe
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:13:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Craig Maloney <craig@ic.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: DT,Rush and other delights
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204261009481.9171-100000@localhost.localdomain>
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Robert Newcomb wrote:
> As far as Rush having DT open for them . . . forget about it. Folks, it
> is called ego. Everyone has one and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
> Yes, DT would benefit from such large exposure in America but would
> Rush benefit from being upstaged? That I think is the heart of the
> matter.
I'm not so sure about this. I saw Primus open for Rush at the Palace in
Auburn Hills. Primus played a pretty restrained set for a band that could
have easily whipped the place into a frenzy. I think any band that opened
for Rush would probably have enough respect for Rush to allow Rush to play
unhindered.
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig Maloney (craig@ic.net) http://ic.net/~craig There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- J.S. Bach------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:25:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: YET-SEE-JAM Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0204261024580.27772-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, HJ Rivera wrote:
> >As James has pronounced it live when introducing the song: > > But he's a Canuck, for crying out loud! Are you going to trust his > pronunciation? ;)
Yeah, and besides, Portnoy says "Yit-say-jam" rather than "Yit-see-jam."
So who's right?
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ ------------------------------------------------- Before you criticize somebody, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you DO criticize him, you'll be a mile away AND you'll have his shoes. - Mark Twain -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:20:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: "Best of" CD - what if? Message-ID: <20020426152009.2368.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dream Theater is at a point in their careers where it wouldn't > be out of the realm of possibility for them to release an > Anthology.
But then again, with three live albums behind their belts, their "best of" is pretty much summed up on record anyway. I honestly don't know many people who'd get a DT best-of type release. Most people whom I know who appreciate DT either already have pretty much all of their albums, or if they don't, they are unlikely to get a best-of compilation. Doesn't seem prudent.
=-*snip*-
> If Dream Theater released a "Best of" CD, should they include > their big hit, "Pull Me Under"??? Isn't that a HORRIBLE > dilemma? Obviously it helped them gain popularity, but really
> isn't close to what they're capable of and they supposedly > don't play it in concert anymore. Oh, to please the general > public or please the true fans?
Well, when I think about it, the question you must ask first is what songs are going on the "best of," period. I am hard-pressed to think of a DT song that I don't like, and for me putting together a one- or two-disk anthology of DT material would be extremely difficult in the first place.
Now, should Pull Me Under be on that album? I'd say so. One of the reasons I like DT as much as I do is because they have at least one song that will surprise absolutely anyone, regardless of that person's favorite style. PMU is one of those songs. Besides, the lyrics for it are awesome, in my opinion.
And they did play it live each of the three times that I saw them live. My favorite version was at the DC show on the 6DoiT tour, just recently, with the speeding up/slowing down. The "wtf?" look on LaBrie's face was priceless.
My two cents.
- Ilia. http://www.44lbs.com
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:43:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: DT best of CD Message-ID: <20020426154326.6029.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com>
--- WoodyTJ34@aol.com wrote: > P.S. Could some on put the word "ytsejam" on the list & sound > it out phonically? I am still puzzled on how to pronounce it > to friends & family.
It's just like saying "Majesty" backwards. 'yit-say-jam' according to Mike Portnoy. (See http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/dt/dtfaq.htm, section 8.3)
- Ilia.
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:26:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig Maloney <craig@ic.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: "Best of" CD - what if? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204261224120.9171-100000@localhost.localdomain>
I think "Best of..." or "Greatest HIts" albums are primarily used to fufill recording contracts. (The "Please record 5 albums for us and then we'll renegotiate your contract"). Unless DT lulls in creative energy, I wouldn't expect a "Best of..." for some time, and would be saddened if it ever came to that.
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig Maloney (craig@ic.net) http://ic.net/~craig There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- J.S. Bach
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:41:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lisa Palma" <lisa@palma.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: DT best of CD Message-ID: <20020426094148.7229.h003.c000.wm@mail.palma.net.criticalpath.net>
>At 08:49 AM 4/26/2002, Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com> wrote: > >It's just like saying "Majesty" backwards. 'yit-say-jam' >according to Mike Portnoy. (See >http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/dt/dtfaq.htm, section 8.3)
In that case it would be closer to 'YEET-SEH-JAM'.
(IMHO) ;o)
|----------------------| | Lisa Marie Palma | | lisa@palma.net | |----------------------|
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:56:21 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: YET-SEE-JAM Message-ID: <3CEB2BD450223743A4895C0D0C5DFC3AE0FB48@haxlcsechp0.healthaxis.dom>
Yes, I do. It's yet-see-jam
JM
> -----Original Message----- > From: HJ Rivera [SMTP:hrivera@crp.org] > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 8:42 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: YET-SEE-JAM > > >As James has pronounced it live when introducing the song: > > But he's a Canuck, for crying out loud! Are you going to trust his > pronunciation? ;) > > joe
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:49:02 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: OldTimers reunite... Message-ID: <3CEB2BD450223743A4895C0D0C5DFC3AE0FB56@haxlcsechp0.healthaxis.dom>
Yep... so what did you do in the diner? Tell them their sound system sucked ? LOL
JM (I was on the list at the time but you gotta re-tell it) :)
> -----Original Message----- > From: Al Balkiewicz [SMTP:balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU] > > Geez..........you'd figure I'd be remembered more for the Fantasia Diner > recommendation before one of the Home for the Holidays shows back in the > day....what a mess that turned out to be....heheheh....ytsejammers getti'n > kicked out of a diner...how funny is that....... > > -Al > > >
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:56:44 -0700 (PDT) From: colt seaver <luiscachavez@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: For you and me.... We agree. Message-ID: <20020426215644.63745.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com>
I agree with Mosher (Digest 6182) That Counterparts is the strongest of rush in the last years, but I think is a thing of influence (or touch) of the producer of the albums too. I feel that Rush produced two soft albums (for the lack of a better term) in Presto and Roll the Bones. The producer in these albums was Rupert Hine. Not trying to slam Mr. Hine, but before him was Peter Collins and they released two great albums in the form of PowerWindows and Hold your Fire. Then when Peter Collins arrived back with Rush they produced this awsome album called Counterparts. Then they produced Test for Echo. Not so dark and heavy (IMHO) as the previous one, but a good album. Now as a long time collaborator and producer of the last Live album along with Geddy, Paul Northfield, I think he will do a good job producing Vapor Trals. I didn't hear yet a single song of this new album, but I think It's good to see another producer who will bring his own diferent vision to Rush as a producer.
Just a Point of view.
Luis
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