YTSEJAM Digest 6261
Today's Topics:
1) Re:Geoff Tate
by kurt.hampton@juno.com
2) RE: Matheos/Portnoy/Malone/Moore super-group project named....
by "Sakkos Nikolaos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr>
3) original Dream Theater bootlegs for trade
by queen.of.the.ryche@t-online.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Peter_Ke=DFler)
4) RE: Matheos/Portnoy/Malone/Moore super-group project named....
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
5) Re: Matheos/Portnoy/Malone/Moore super-group project named....
by "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net>
6) O/T for a sec: The Graphic Artist is back!
by "Scott (Virtuality)" <ninja@mindspring.com>
7) Top Ten Bands if you were putting on a contemporary Prog-Metal Music Festival
by "Rick Rosinski" <rick@rosinski.com>
8) Re: Dancing to Prog?
by "Jenny K" <echolucretia@hotmail.com>
9) Song on 'Vapor Trails' that has Tool "influence"
by "Dominic H. Kallas" <dkallas@eecs.tufts.edu>
10) bootleg artwork, anyone???
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
11) Re: Tool-ish/Earshot
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
12) RE: bootleg artwork, anyone???
by pworrall@netscape.net (Pat Worrall)
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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:17:17 GMT
From: kurt.hampton@juno.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re:Geoff Tate
Message-ID: <20020719.131727.2371.26510@webmail6.nyc.untd.com>
I saw the show in New Orleans, it was ok, I left in the middle of Della Brown cause I was tired and that kinda ended the show on a downer. I liked some of the remixed stuff, some i was kinda ehh. You cant make a pop fast song out of the Killing Words, it was cool though.
Id say go. Sucks though, he was playing his sax during songs liek Lady Jane, it got stolen however in NJ, so we missed that part of the show, and yes that bass player was cool as hell, played a fretless half the night. Also I think Geoff's lead guitarist 9chubby guy) should be the next QR guitarist. he NAILED the solos's, Real World was incredible.
Kurt
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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 20:46:58 +0300
From: "Sakkos Nikolaos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Matheos/Portnoy/Malone/Moore super-group project named....
Message-ID: <MBBBKHLJFJPJBAMJHLCECEOFCAAA.el00144@mail.ntua.gr>
-----Original Message-----
From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of
Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 5:48 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Matheos/Portnoy/Malone/Moore super-group project named....
>> what exactly in the new rush is tool like? wtf!
>>please point me to a track # and min because i honestly cant hear it
They themselves said that about their album , "sort of heavier , kind of
Tool-ish"
back in April , on their site . I was turned off by this and was not
planning on listening
to it until next year . Are those comments completely off then ? If so i
should get hold of it
sooner (though those were comments from the bands themselves )
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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 20:15:52 +0200
From: queen.of.the.ryche@t-online.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Peter_Ke=DFler)
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: original Dream Theater bootlegs for trade
Message-ID: <000d01c22f50$539b21c0$287d57d9@swa1>
Hi,
I4m interested in trading some original, silver Dream Theater Bootlegs:
04.10.1992 Live in Long Island Part I / II Sparks Club, Long
Island, New York, USA 2CDs
05.12.1992 Classic Live Plus 5, Ft.Lauderdale, USA 1CD
05.04.1993 Live & Alive Volume 1/2 Rolling Stone,
Mailand, Italy 2CDs
28.10.1994 Caught In A Web Manhatten
Center, New York, USA 1CD
19.02.2002 Master Of Metallica Razzmatazz,
Barcelona, Spain 1CD
1998 Trial Of Singles Rare Tracks And B-Sides From
Different Maxi CDs 1CD
2002 Metropolis 2000: Scenes From A World Tour
1CD
I prefer original, silver Bootlegs from Dream Theater, Savatage, Rush, Blind
Guardian, Symphony X, Nightwish, Stratovarius or Queensryche but will also
trade 7:1 in CDRs from Dream Theater. Please take a look at my list on
www.peruvian-skies.de before you offer CDRs.
Please mail privat at peruvianskiesde@yahoo.de
Peter
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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:59:06 -0400
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE: Matheos/Portnoy/Malone/Moore super-group project named....
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020719145746.00aaea60@mail.comcast.net>
I don't hear much tool in the new Rush album. There may be more
experimentation with different guitar type sounds and effects, and Geddy is
laying a lot of vocals, which he did on test for echo and his solo album,
and Neil is a little more laid back, but seems to be more lively than he
was on TFE, but I don't hear a lot of tool on the new Rush. It is
definitely their hardest output in years and it is different from anything
they have ever done, and it does take some getting used to, but songs like
One Little Victory, One sweet miracle and Ceiling unlimitted just kick too
much ass to ignore.
At 01:58 PM 7/19/2002, you wrote:
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of
>Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez
>Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 5:48 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: Re: Matheos/Portnoy/Malone/Moore super-group project named....
>
>
>
> >> what exactly in the new rush is tool like? wtf!
> >>please point me to a track # and min because i honestly cant hear it
>
>
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>They themselves said that about their album , "sort of heavier , kind of
>Tool-ish"
>back in April , on their site . I was turned off by this and was not
>planning on listening
>to it until next year . Are those comments completely off then ? If so i
>should get hold of it
>sooner (though those were comments from the bands themselves )
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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:28:09 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Matheos/Portnoy/Malone/Moore super-group project named.... Message-ID: <000d01c22f62$cc7a9000$a54c48d8@carlosbook>
seriously i hear more test for echo even some of the album where enemy within is in (i am having a brain fart) i dont hear any tool...
> > > >> what exactly in the new rush is tool like? wtf! > >>please point me to a track # and min because i honestly cant hear it > > > > They themselves said that about their album , "sort of heavier , kind of > Tool-ish" > back in April , on their site . I was turned off by this and was not > planning on listening > to it until next year . Are those comments completely off then ? If so i > should get hold of it > sooner (though those were comments from the bands themselves ) > > >
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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:10:45 -0400 From: "Scott (Virtuality)" <ninja@mindspring.com> Subject: O/T for a sec: The Graphic Artist is back! Message-ID: <3D3871CE.A70845C8@mindspring.com>
Game off:
OFF-TOPIC SECTION:
Though I've been lurking somewhat (mostly for the reason that I recently relocated BACK to the NY area after a year stint elsewhere in parts unknown, USA), I figured I would be allowed a slight moment for a little self-indulgent appeal to any musicians or person(s) who may need a graphic artist (see links below).
I am he. And I am back to full operating status, barring no further weather (or war) related catastrophe's. If you ARE interested (in need of CD design, web design, logos, etc... ad naseum) contact me OFF forum at my email address (see above).
Ok, now before anyone flames me for this obvious self-promotional push, be aware that I did declare it off-topic, I am a semi-frequent poster with On-thread (if not off-my-rocker) posts, and I did imbibe a significant amount of Vanilla Coke today (man, stuff's addicting), and I am wearing a hawaiian shirt (non-Rush endorsed). I am not disgruntled in any shape, way or form.
As I know there are plenty of musicians and other persons who may need or have need of, in the future, a graphic artist, I figured, as a start to my new location, I would drop this slight bit of info really quickly, and as non-obtrusive as possible, hoping to keep belligerance and offended party hostility to a minimum.
Ok, that's it! Feel free to move about the cabin....
Game on!
ON-TOPIC Section:
The NEW ENGINE CD is great (featuring Ray Alder of Fates Warning), and I am quite impressed by what I've heard from Soilwork. I think there's a new ENCHANT CD being issued at some point, or am I mistaken in my Enchanted Blissfull thinking (sorry, bad pun... see Vanilla Coke comment above).
I'm also GLAD to see the new issue of PROGRESSION magazine finally on newsstands as well as in my hands (the accompanying CD is, at first listen, verrrrry interesting).
Unfortunately I didn't have the proper fundage to attend any RUSH shows this year, so I read all the posts regarding it with a touch of melancholy envy and enthusiastic splendor, in a misty-eyed stupor! The words 'wish I was there' do come to mind! And I'm still trying to get past the REALLY STRONG 3 tracks I enjoy on it (Earthshine, Nocturne, Out of the Cradle).
And I'm looking for some new independent progressive rock CD's to 'epiphanize'...
' Nuff said!
- Your Friendly Neighborhood Allroundniceguy Scott Mosher - The VIRTUALITY CD ART: http://www.theambientmind.com MUSIC: http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/
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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 19:39:23 -0400 From: "Rick Rosinski" <rick@rosinski.com> To: <teof@yahoogroups.com>, <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Top Ten Bands if you were putting on a contemporary Prog-Metal Music Festival Message-ID: <0c9501c22f7d$837c3cd0$6401a8c0@amd1>
Here's another fun list...not necessarily in any particular order:
- Symphony X - Evergrey - Vanden Plas - Threshold - Poverty's No Crime - Pain of Salvation - Tiles - Fates Warning - Ayreon/Star One - Sun Caged
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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:45:30 -0700 From: "Jenny K" <echolucretia@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Dancing to Prog? Message-ID: <F118cawcgPof5Co5tSC00017040@hotmail.com>
Sorry about the dead thread but it caught my eye. Dancing to prog: totally do-able, has been done. The only music that (I think) is undanceable is techno. Unless you know how to do the laser thing, but that can look dangerously close to simian if the wrong person's doing it. Word to the wise.
>From: "Scott (Virtuality)" <ninja@mindspring.com> >Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Subject: Dancing to Prog? >Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:37:36 -0700 (PDT) > >I can't imagine the choreography needed to form a respectable and rhythmic >dance to >music shifting in time signatures from 7/8 to 3/4 through 5/4 and back into >11/8. It >would be prodigiously intricate, and furiously entertaining at the same >time, not to >mention worthy of surpassing the infamy of the Lambada (The Lambada? Thats >the >Forbidden Dance=!). > >And yes one guy dancing in a crowd of 1800 is weird. But self-expression is >the muse >right? And props to the guy for doing it (you wouldn't catch me 'bustin' a >move' to >the likes of Yes, Fates Warning or Enchant, though. I'll stick to James >Brown and >Jamiroquoi!). > >But it does bring up some interesting conversations. I'm still thinking a >prototype >merging of space-funk and ambient progressive metal would be an insanely >groovaliciously spectacular funkadelic contribution to the annals of >theatrical >musical dance arts.... > >Just my .02". > >- Your Friendly Neighborhood Allroundniceguy >Scott Mosher - The VIRTUALITY CD >http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/ > >"When I was younger I hated going to weddings...it seemed that all of >the aunts and the grandmotherly types would come up to me, poke me in >the ribs, and tell me, "You're next." They stopped that shit after I >started doing the same thing to them at funerals." >
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 02:11:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dominic H. Kallas" <dkallas@eecs.tufts.edu> To: The ytsejam mailing list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Song on 'Vapor Trails' that has Tool "influence" Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.33.0207200153080.1488-100000@mezzo.eecs.tufts.edu>
The following quote is from: "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net>
what exactly in the new rush is tool like? wtf! please point me to a track # and min because i honestly cant hear it
Track 6, "How It Is." Just kidding :-P
Seriously, the start of "Peaceable Kingdom" (Track 4 off of 'Vapor Trails') has a sound that is similar to one found on "Eon Blue Apocalypse" (Track 2 off of Tool's 'Lateralus').
Alex Lifeson has remarked that Tool was the only band whose record he bought and listened to during the writing and recording process for 'Vapor Trails.' Alex pretty much isolated himself from all external music in order to focus on developing a unique, Rush-like sound for the new album. Alex has also remarked in interviews about his love for Tool's music, live performance (even though he joked it was too short), and the people themselves (though I doubt he wrestled with Maynard James Keenan :-P).
Going back to DT: have you checked out the pic of Mike Portnoy with Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson? If not, you can find it here (courtesy of Scott Hansen):
http://www.mikeportnoy.com/media/pics/celebs/mprush.jpg
Thanks for reading!
Electronically, Dom
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:00:31 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> To: The `Jam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: bootleg artwork, anyone??? Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.44.0207201440430.20846-100000@sdf.lonestar.org>
greetings fellow jammers, i know a request like this doesn't surface on the jam real often, but i'll give it a shot anyway. i've got several DT boots that i desperately need to get the album art for. that apparently didn't come as part `o the deal when i traded for the boots. anyhow, here they are: - "The Dance Of Eternity", 3/4/1993 recorded at the Limelight, New York - "Nighttown Nostalgia", 6/22/1998 recorded at the Nighttown, Rotterdam - "Brotherly Deceit", 8/4/2000 recorded at the Electric Factory, Philadelphia *there used to be a link floating around for this one, but it's long since been lost in the shuffle. - "A Dream Fulfilled", 3/27/2002 recorded at the Beacon Theater, New York
if anyone could provide links to, or feels like uploading some high-res scans of these liners/art, i would be EXTREMELY grateful. contact me off-list at the above email addy.
also, concerning an actual boot, does anyone out there have: - "John Petrucci - G3", 7/16/2001 recorded at the Fleet Pavilion, Boston i had every intention of grabbing it from LITS, but we all know what happened to that site, may it rest in peace. anyhow, i had been able to grab a few of the tracks off of AudioGalaxy, but then i got shit-canned on that avenue as well. so, i'd much rather just try and get the full boot from somebody that would be willing to arrange a trade of some sort. contact me off-list at the above email addy.
thanks a lot everybody!!
-eric
P.S.- again, any jammers gonna' be at the Pittsburgh show on Sept.7th??
-- "The least important things in life get the most appreciation. The most important things in life don't seem to get enough."
-me
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:04:13 -0400 From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Tool-ish/Earshot Message-ID: <F37cQvZJ09wT3cbbK5I0001be19@hotmail.com>
Well first off, they are VERY close to Tool. But whilst many call this a clone, I don't. Think about all the bands we listen to that are very "DT-like". Vanden Plas, Threshold, Shadow Gallery, etc. The thing is we are all pretty opened minded and see this as more of an "influence" kind of thing. I think the same holds for Earshot and their Tool influence. I'd rather here that than have them sounding like Limp Dickhead. On the CD, I think "Get Away" is the most out and out Tool like song, but it is also one of my faves on the disc. I got it off of Half.com. I think it's worth owning if you are into the style. End of sermon.
Rob
>From: "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net> >Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Subject: Re: Tool-ish/Earshot >Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 06:57:17 -0700 (PDT) > >wow its refreshing to see a different opinion >all the things ive seen written about earshot >just call them a blatant tool ripoff, and granted >ive only heard 1 song (get away? i believe its the title) >but they do sound way too much like a tool clone, almost like >an impersonation... > >any other songs i might want to check out to broaden my outlook on them? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com> >To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 8:31 AM >Subject: Re: Tool-ish/Earshot > > > > Good call on the Earshot comment. To me they are like a missing link > > between Tool and A Perfect Circle. Good band. > > > >
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:37:11 -0400 From: pworrall@netscape.net (Pat Worrall) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: bootleg artwork, anyone??? Message-ID: <0CBA3D7B.732A8C80.00A887D7@netscape.net>
I have Nighttown Nostalgia. If no one can tell you where to find it, I coul d attempt to scan it and put it on my website to download or email it. I wouldn't be able to do it until monday though.
Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
>greetings fellow jammers, > i know a request like this doesn't surface on the jam real often, >but i'll give it a shot anyway. i've got several DT boots that i >desperately need to get the album art for. that apparently didn't come as >part `o the deal when i traded for the boots. anyhow, here they are: > - "The Dance Of Eternity", 3/4/1993 > recorded at the Limelight, New York > - "Nighttown Nostalgia", 6/22/1998 > recorded at the Nighttown, Rotterdam > - "Brotherly Deceit", 8/4/2000 > recorded at the Electric Factory, Philadelphia > *there used to be a link floating around for this one, > but it's long since been lost in the shuffle. > - "A Dream Fulfilled", 3/27/2002 > recorded at the Beacon Theater, New York > >if anyone could provide links to, or feels like uploading some high-res >scans of these liners/art, i would be EXTREMELY grateful. contact me >off-list at the above email addy. > >also, concerning an actual boot, does anyone out there have: > - "John Petrucci - G3", 7/16/2001 > recorded at the Fleet Pavilion, Boston >i had every intention of grabbing it from LITS, but we all know what >happened to that site, may it rest in peace. anyhow, i had been able to >grab a few of the tracks off of AudioGalaxy, but then i got shit-canned on >that avenue as well. so, i'd much rather just try and get the full boot >from somebody that would be willing to arrange a trade of some sort. >contact me off-list at the above email addy. > >thanks a lot everybody!! > > -eric > >P.S.- again, any jammers gonna' be at the Pittsburgh show on Sept.7th?? > >-- >"The least important things in life > get the most appreciation. > The most important things in life > don't seem to get enough." > > -me > >IM screename: Ryften13 >drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org (text-based email) >schnerck@hotmail.com -or- >peruvian@dreamtheater.zzn.com (HTML-based email) >SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org >Progressive Musician's Forum - > http://www0.org/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi#general > >
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