YTSEJAM Digest 6145
Today's Topics:
1) overplaying
by rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
2) URGENT: Boston tickets ARE available
by "Costello, Daniel J" <daniel.j.costello@lmco.com>
3) Superior - Ultima Ratio - WE TAKE ORDERS
by Bernd.Basmer@t-online.de (Bernd Basmer)
4) New JR CD: 4NYC
by "Michele Moran" <michele@johndoe.org>
5) Re: overplaying
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
6) Re: overplaying
by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
7) Milwaukee Show and James LaBrie, COME ON, you can't ACTUALLY like hiM!
by YtseSryche@aol.com
8) Re: Milwaukee Show and James LaBrie, COME ON, you can't ACTUALLY like hiM!
by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
9) Chicago Set list-both nights
by WoodyTJ34@aol.com
10) Re: overplaying (my misunderstanding w/ Ilia)
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
11) Barcelona show MP3 poor quality
by Joel Barrios <ytsejamrecords@yahoo.com>
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 04:53:31 -0800 (PST)
From: rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: overplaying
Message-ID: <20020319125331.69084.qmail@web10707.mail.yahoo.com>
Yes there is the possibility of overplaying music.
What has to be considered is the STYLE of music the
person is performing. If a Britney Spears type pop
song comes on the radio, and a Portnoy type drum
performance accompanies it, THAT would be overplaying.
The drummer is not playing what should be played for
that style. However, in a PROGRESSIVE METAL band (for
lack of a better term), that drum part would probably
fit perfectly. Therefore it is not overplaying. Bach
and Mozart ran scales up and down the keyboard in a
lot of the music they wrote. Were they overplaying,
or just playing their style of music?
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3008 Tallwood Way
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(706) 790-8937
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:47:55 -0500
From: "Costello, Daniel J" <daniel.j.costello@lmco.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: URGENT: Boston tickets ARE available
Message-ID: <9EFD49E2FB59D411AABA0008C7E675C007DA272F@emss04m10.ems.lmco.com>
(again, sorry for bringing this to the jam)
To the individuals who expressed interest in my extra pair of tickets:
My friend is NOT going to the show, the tickets ARE available.
However, my home computer is toast and will not be fixed before the show.
Thus, my home e-mail address will not be available, and I have no contact
information for either of you.
Here's my contact info again:
work e-mail:
Daniel.J.Costello@Lmco.com
home phone:
(315) 622-7284
work phone:
(315) 456-1152
Note: Any messages left on my home answering machine WILL be received, any
e-mail sent to work WILL be received. Any messages left on my work phone
probably WILL NOT be received - if you don't talk to me, don't count on me
getting it.
Again, I'm terribly sorry for the inconvenience.
-Dan.
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Daniel Costello
Software Engineer - Lockheed Martin NE & SS
PO Box 4840, EP5 - MD45
Syracuse, NY 13221
Phone: (315) 456-1152
Email: Daniel.J.Costello@lmco.com
"Dance like it hurts. Love like you need money.
Work when people are watching."
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:34:30 +0100
From: Bernd.Basmer@t-online.de (Bernd Basmer)
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Superior - Ultima Ratio - WE TAKE ORDERS
Message-ID: <ODEKLDFCHFJDMCBOLEDCOEPCCBAA.bernd.basmer@t-online.de>
Hi!
To put an end to the question where you can get our new CD: You can simply
order it on our homepage now! BUT: This counts only for people inside the
USA and Canada! We collect your orders until we have a few together to send
them in one big parcel to the USA to our good friend Mark Metzger, who will
ship the CD's to you afterwards. This will save you a few bucks for postage!
We have done this before with both of our previous albums and it worked out
very well. You will get the CD's signed too!
Please note that we can't ship the CD's before we have signed a licensing
deal in the USA though. BUT: We work at this seriously and hope to have this
finished within the next 2 - 3 weeks. So you won't have to wait too long for
your CD's.
All questions of payment etc. can be found on our homepage. You can simply
send a money-order to Mark after you have ordered in our shop. You will get
his address and all information you need by email if you submit your order.
So if you're interested into ordering Ultima Ratio from us, just go to our
homepage and enter the "Shop"-section.
Thanks for your support!
Greetings
Bernd
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:08:11 -0500
From: "Michele Moran" <michele@johndoe.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: New JR CD: 4NYC
Message-ID: <000d01c1cf8a$2e2b7140$65d7da43@Bertrum>
Here's the official press release from jordanrudess.com:
NEW JORDAN RUDESS CD
For Immediate Press Release
For additional info, contact
Christopher Buttner
Email: cb@aarvak.com
Dream Theater Keyboardist, Jordan Rudess, Releases Live Solo CD
"4NYC". A Portion Of The Proceeds Will Be Donated to charity To Aid the
Families Of The Victims Of The World Trade
Center Attack.
March 11, 2002 - Nyack, NY - In what words can never say, music can
calm the heart, ease the mind, and soothe the soul. Jordan Rudess'
latest live CD release, "4NYC" is a celebration of life, of the one's
we love, and of healing. A part of the proceeds from the sale of
"4NYC" will go to charity to help the families of the
victims and the Heroes of September 11, 2001.
A most heartfelt and soulful gift by one of America's leading
contemporary keyboardists, Jordan has captured on CD his September
25, 2001 American Red Cross Benefit Concert for the Victims of the
World Trade Center. With additional specially recorded, original
instrumental compositions, Jordan delivers one of the most dynamic
and impassioned life celebratory piano and keyboard performances of
his recording career.
"4NYC" features Jordan performing improvised compositions on a
nine-foot Steinway grand, a Kurzweil 2600 and a Korg Karma. The CD
also features a whimsical version of 'Mary Had A Little Lamb' as
requested by Jordan's daughter, Ariana.
Produced with help from his wife Danielle, Jordan's September 25,
2001 benefit concert took place Helen Hayes Performing Arts Center in
Nyack, NY. The performance was promoted through Jordan's and Dream
Theater's Internet community, as well as local newspapers and radio
stations.
A week after the performance, work began on mixing and mastering the
performance for CD release. Jordan felt his improvised compositions
represented some of the evening's best material and became motivated
to record additional compositions in his home studio to complete the
CD.
Jordan states, "The concert and creation of the 4NYC CD was a way for
me to do something positive for people after the tragedy of September
11th. Music has always been my most effective means for expression.
The music on this CD, perhaps more than anything else I've done,
comes straight from my heart. I hope it brings some small comfort,
peace of mind and joy to all who listen to it."
"4NYC" can be ordered through www.jordanrudess.com.
~*~*~*~*~*~
"midnight has come; i hear music and i keep on singing."
-- the paul winter consort
aim: ms evadedcadence
site: johndoe.org/evadedcadence
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:28:27 +0000 (UTC)
From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: overplaying
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.33.0203192058030.3575-100000@sdf.lonestar.org>
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, rob denni wrote:
> fit perfectly. Therefore it is not overplaying. Bach
> and Mozart ran scales up and down the keyboard in a
> lot of the music they wrote. Were they overplaying,
> or just playing their style of music?
>
hey there, while we're throwing classical composers/performers into the
mix, let's not forget another prime example of your point, the late great
Paginini. unbelievalbe violinist, by today could very well be compared to
neoclassical metal artists often accused of overplaying. Yngwie, anyone??
i think the point we're all trying to get at here is that there is such a
thing as overplaying, if it doesn't fit within the structure of the music
that it's accompanying. another good point to add would be this: most
people see minimalism as some form of almost enlightened attitude when it
comes to playing music. i never have & never will understand or agree
with this train of thought. there were quite a few friends of mine back
in college who were die-hard powerpop players (i.e.- The Strokes, Beck,
Oasis, Weezer, etc.) who preached 3 & 4 chord songs with nothing but a
repetitive beat in 2 or 4 (generic backbeat included for good measure).
the guitar solos, if they were even existent, consisted of 3-5 notes on
the same damn string over & over. the singers couldn't sing more than an
octave in either direction, and sung in the monotonous drone that is so
prevelant in that genre.
anyhow, the point of all this is as follows: when these guys would hear
bands like Dream Theater, Yes, Rush, Bozzio/Levin/Stevens, even guys like
Satriani, Vai, or Vinnie Moore, they would scoff and pick at everything
about it. things like- 1. that guy can't sing at all, 2. that guitarist
is just wankering, 3. that drummer can't keep a steady rhythm, he's always
jumping around, (or, my favorite) 4. these guys have NO talent.
i always thought that was funny, borderline hysterical, coming from guys
who are playing some of the most repetitive, musically boring stuff out
there. granted, whatever kind of music "pops your turtle" is completely
an issue of preference, but to say they have NO talent!!?? these guys not
only know everything about their respective instruments, but can play
circles around any of the cheese-rock 3 chord bands out there. as far as
i'm concerned, the aforementioned progressive bands are full of CONSUMATE
musicians, and the aforementioned powerpop bands are nothing but examples
proving that ANYBODY can be in a band & sell a record, regardless of the
knowledge that they have of writing & playing music.
reminds me of the story of the fox & the grapes. all the fox wanted was
to get his pawss on the grapes, but they were out of his grasp. once he
realized he would never reach them, all he had were negative things to say
about them. very similar to the powerpop-playing friends of mine. it's
so much easier to scoff & make fun of something or someone who has a
talent or gift that you will never possess rather than admire them for the
gifted & talented person that they are, in this case musicians.
is minimalism a superior approach & attitude towards music?? i think not.
more like an excuse to hide behind because the minimalist's music is all
that he is capable of producing.
there's my rant. let the flames (or agreements) begin.......
jammin' on,
eric
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"The least important things in life
get the most appreciation.
The most important things in life
don't seem to get enough."
-me
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:32:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: overplaying
Message-ID: <20020319233256.19636.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, rob denni wrote:
>
> hey there, while we're throwing classical composers/performers into
> the mix, let's not forget another prime example of your point, the
> late great Paginini. unbelievalbe violinist, by today could very
> well be compared to neoclassical metal artists often accused of
> overplaying. Yngwie, anyone??
How are we defining overplaying - notes that don't fit the progression
of a song? I've never heard Yngwie overplay... I've heard him
underplay, but that's about it. Everything he plays flows out of the
progression of the song; the fact that progressions are repetitive
doesn't mean he's overplaying. Who else overplays, of the neoclassical
guitarists? Macalpine, Stump, Moore? I think not... Vinnie Moore has
written some of the coolest songs I've ever heard, with very few
extraneous notes in there.
To me, a good example of overplaying is EVH - most of the time he
sounds like he doesn't even know which key he's in. Great technique, I
won't argue with that, but his writing is pretty poor, at least in most
songs. Vai overplays quite a bit too, albeit not as much. There are
examples of it out there, but let's label things with their appropriate
names. Just because there are a lot of notes in a certain riff or solo
doesn't mean it's overplayed.
Besides that, I'll agree with Eric on every point he made; in fact, I
applaud that rant.
- Ilia.
P.S. There are some pieces by Paganini that weren't all that well
written... and I'd consider that overplaying too. But he has too many
good works to let that overshadow the big picture, so I won't get into
it.
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:31:51 EST
From: YtseSryche@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Milwaukee Show and James LaBrie, COME ON, you can't ACTUALLY like hiM!
Message-ID: <107.ec99db9.29c94087@aol.com>
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As a younger fan of dream theater (started listening when i was twelve, i'm
18 now) i went to my fourth dream theater show in milwaukee and had a decent
time. Although i'm phasing out of my metal phase, i still enjoyed the music,
and even the crowd wasn't so bad. But regardless the fan or the person, i do
NOT see how any can think LaBrie sounds good.
At the show in milwaukee, although the sound was a bit off, his vocals were
still nauseating to me, and i couldn't imagine how anyone actually thinks he
sounds even tolerable. You have to get past the idea that sure he hits notes
that most guys can't. Just because it's difficult to do doesn't make it good.
The other four members of Dream Theater have mastered the ability to do
difficult things while still sounding awesome, but then they throw in a
singer that not only makes me not want to go see Dream THeater again (as sad
as that may be), but it prevents any or all possible chance the band ever had
of reaching of a larger market. I know it's late in their career to think
about a singer change, but i just wish that i could have had something to
salvage as my favorite band. I guess i gotta stick to moe. and Ben Folds...
sure they can't play like Dream Theater but at least I don't have to wince
through another James LaBrie wail. okay... commence your bashing on me.
Tony
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:15:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Show and James LaBrie, COME ON, you can't ACTUALLY like hiM!
Message-ID: <20020320021558.40645.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com>
--- YtseSryche@aol.com wrote:
> I guess i gotta stick to moe. and Ben Folds...
> sure they can't play like Dream Theater but at least I don't have to
> wince through another James LaBrie wail. okay... commence your
> bashing on me.
> Tony
You're not the first person whom I've heard say that the vocals aren't
his favorite part of Dream Theater. It's difficult to explain... it's
like some people liking the sound of distorted guitar, others liking
acoustic... I've liked LaBrie since I first heard him back when I first
listened to Images. I wasn't greatly impressed at first, but I thought
he was decently good. And not only do I like the quality of his voice,
I also appreciate it for how good he is at what he does. Just listen
to Portnoy's backing vocals - he doesn't even come close!
Makes me want to ask, what do you think of other metal vocalists? How
about DC Cooper or Russell Allen? Or Phil Anselmo, particularly what
he was doing back in the early 90s? Which singers do you like most,
from other styles if not any from metal bands?
Surprisingly enough, this didn't contain a bash... Eh, well *BASH* for
good measure.
- Ilia.
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:37:03 EST
From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, themirror@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Chicago Set list-both nights
Message-ID: <15a.abe1a9b.29c95ddf@aol.com>
Boy did they put on a show. This was the best they have ever sounded. The
set lists were outstanding. If anyone doesn't like DT, they have never seen
them live.
Here is the Chicago set list both nites to the best of my ability. The sets
were pretty close to the Barcelona, Spain shows.
All the songs sounded amazing. I was most impressed with Glass Prison,
Scarred and Killing Hand. These guys just rock. They said they would be
back in the summer. I can't wait. What a set of nites.
FIRST SHOW
Finally Free outro (intro tape)
The Glass Prison
Strange Deja Vu
Through My Words
Fatal Tragedy
Scarred
Lines in the Sand
Misunderstood
Lie
The Spirit Carries On
Learning to Live
~~~intermission~~~
6 Degrees
~~~encore~~~
Home
Hollow Years
Pull Me Under
SECOND SHOW
Finally Free outro (intro tape)
The Glass Prison
6:00
Beyond This Life
Surrounded
Burning My Soul (original 96 version)
Another Hand/
The Killing Hand
Another Dimension (LTE)
Peruvian Skies
The Great Debate
~~~intermission~~~
Master of Puppets (entire album)
~~~encore~~~
Home
The Spirit Carries On
Take the Time
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:30:47 +0000 (UTC)
From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: overplaying (my misunderstanding w/ Ilia)
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.33.0203200416470.3613-100000@sdf.lonestar.org>
Ilia, in response to your last post: I DON'T think the neoclassical
guitarists overplay, especially the one's that i mentioned. i was simply
picking examples of guitar players who, given their particular styles,
play LOT'S of notes. this is seen much of the time by the minimalists
that i was ranting about as overplaying. do i think it's overplaying??
hell no, otherwise i wouldn't have built a collection of close to 75 cd's
just devoted to guitarists such as Vai, Moore, Yngwie, McAlpine, Schenker,
Satriani, Sheetz, Palacios and the list goes on. these just happen to be
the guitarists that i have seen & heard countless times get slammed for having
the talent to play something that 99.9% of the other musicians out there
can't. so, now, that we've got that all cleared up, it sounds like you &
i agree on that rant in it's entirety. :)
still jammin',
eric
p.s.- i agree, Vinnie Moore HAS written some of the coolest, most
inspiring music i think i have ever heard.
--
"The least important things in life
get the most appreciation.
The most important things in life
don't seem to get enough."
-me
IM screename: Ryften13
drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
Progressive Musician's Forum -
http://www0.org/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi#general
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:40:11 -0600 (CST)
From: Joel Barrios <ytsejamrecords@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Barcelona show MP3 poor quality
Message-ID: <20020320054011.26444.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi folks! I downloaded the entire set of Barcelona's cover show from www.audiogalaxy.com, but the sound is very dissapointed. Anybody knows when I can find the same with good quality?. I think is a very cool item to every DT fan collection. Best regards. Joel.
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