YTSEJAM Digest 6152
Today's Topics:
1) re: Mangini
by "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
2) Superior Homepage
by Bernd.Basmer@t-online.de (Bernd Basmer)
3) DC Show, a few spoilers included
by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
4) Re: DC Show, a few spoilers included
by "Kez" <kez@stickdog.com>
5) Re: Boston Show
by Graham Borland <graham@moonbog.net>
6) The great debate without samples?
by "Bruce Forst" <bforst@peoplepc.com>
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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:11:12 -0500
From: "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
To: Scenes From a Ytse <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: re: Mangini
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020326090638.00acf860@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Neil remarked:
>That other drummer jamming with Mike on the double-assed monster kit was
>Mike Mangini. He played on Extreme's last album "Waiting for the Punchline"
>and has been in Steve Vai's touring band for a while. Probably has a lot of
>other credits that I'm not thinking of right now.
>He looked like a kid in a candy store up there with Mike!
That's probably because Mangini is about three feet tall. :) Kid in a candy
store or no, Mangini could put Portnoy in his hip pocket, playing-wise. I
have never seen anybody with such utter limb independence and total
knowledge of rhythms. Amazing player. Yes, he was in Vai's touring band for
a while but I think his other projects are currently keeping him busy (at
least, Virgil Donati was playing drums for Vai when I saw G3 last year).
cheers,
Phil
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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:39:12 +0100
From: Bernd.Basmer@t-online.de (Bernd Basmer)
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Superior Homepage
Message-ID: <ODEKLDFCHFJDMCBOLEDCCEBCCCAA.bernd.basmer@t-online.de>
Hi!
> Umm ... I have been pretty inactive in the last few weeks. I take
> it this is for the band Superior.
> Where's your web page, man?? Not even a week ago I went around
> the net looking to see how your new CD was coming along. I found
> a web page, but it wasn't very informative.
You can find it at http://www.meet-superior.de/
Greetings
Bernd
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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:26:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: DC Show, a few spoilers included
Message-ID: <20020326182632.13484.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com>
Possible spoilers below... read at your own risk.
LaBrie: Good evening, Baltimore!
[crowd chanting, "It's DC!"]
Portnoy: And you too, DC!
LaBrie: Baltimore, DC, who fucking cares? I'm from fucking
Canada, all right?
It was a wonderful night of Dream Theater. I won't recall the
exact setlist, but there were definitely many highlights to this
show. Here are some of the ones I rememeber off top of my head.
First of all, of course, it was an incredible performance for
all of the members of the group. LaBrie's voice sounded great
(although I heard complaints that it was too loud at times),
Petrucci's monstrous playing was amazing (including the circular
6-string sweeps, or whatever you call those, at blinding
speeds), and Rudess was godly. Portnoy and Myung were also very
impressive, which, of course, comes as no surprise.
The band played The Killing Hand, from WDaDU - an incredible
rendition, in my opinion. LaBrie started out emulating
Dominici's voice almost perfectly, which is quite impressive
considering how different their vocal styles are. The solos in
the song were great, and the segments they threw betwixt parts
of the song, such as Carol of the Bells, fit in beautifully.
The band closed their first set with Pull Me Under, with various
tempo changes in the middle - I'm not sure they did this at
other shows, LaBrie seemed to have not been expecting those. It
was great nonetheless, best I've ever heard them play that song.
The Overture to 6DoIT played over the PA with just the
keyboards, and it sounded almost like a different song in parts,
since there were no guitar, bass, or drums in it. They did a
great job of recreating the feel of this number live, I was very
much impressed. Petrucci played his solo to Goodnight Kiss
practically note for note - that's my favorite solo on the whole
album!
The encore went well also. A surprise stop in the middle of a
measure at the very beginning of Take The Time, where Portnoy
asked for "Happy Birthday" to be sung for some guy (drum tech I
think) and Rudess did a wonderful jazzy rendition of the song
(in G, for some reason, but great nonetheless). After that,
Portnoy said "Now back to the originally scheduled program" and
without even a second of delay they continued right where they
left off. It was incredible.
At the end of the number, they played something that I didn't
recognize - a drum beat and a bass groove, over top of which
Petrucci and Rudess cut heads. That was SICK! At one point, it
seemed like they were trading licks so fast that they got out of
beat; I think Rudess did that on purpose to show up Petrucci,
while I heard some other people say that it was most likely a
mistake. Anyone have thoughts on that?
There were a couple of disappointments, though nothing too
major. First of all, the sound wasn't all that great, in my
opinion. At times the solos weren't loud enough, elsewhere
either drums, vocals, or keyboards were overpowering. Also, the
solo sections for guitar and keyboards weren't too long. The
keyboard solo was incredible, though - Rudess is so sick, it's
disguisting. Not to mention he looks like a conductor while
playing.
In the jam at the end, Portnoy started what at first sounded
like a drum solo, and it was sweet, but unfortunately he only
did two measures of it. And Myung didn't have a solo... I
really wished he would. Not to mention that you could barely
hear the bass, except on Scarred where they turned it up (seeing
how it is the main instrument in most of that song).
But overall, it was a great experience. We spent two hours
waiting outside, two hours waiting inside, and the performance
was worth every second. Can't wait until they come back in the
summer.
Anyway, that's as much as I can think of. I missed the Bafu
cries, after everyone here went to great lengths to explain to
me what that was about - I walked with a friend to get his "will
call" ticket when I heard whoever it was that was shouting it.
Oh well, maybe I'll see you all next time.
Later,
- Ilia.
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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:58:13 -0500
From: "Kez" <kez@stickdog.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: DC Show, a few spoilers included
Message-ID: <001f01c1d4f8$2eeac400$0300005a@kezp3800>
> Anyway, that's as much as I can think of. I missed the Bafu
> cries, after everyone here went to great lengths to explain to
> me what that was about - I walked with a friend to get his "will
> call" ticket when I heard whoever it was that was shouting it.
That would have been me....hehe
Don't be shy next time. I was walking up and down the whole line yelling
it, and only got a handful of knowing looks.
Do I look THAT crazy people? ;) Hardly.
Maybe that's the problem.
Kinda scary seeing a guy that could be your dad, yelling unintelligible
words to a crowd of (mostly) young strangers. hehe
You're right, though, it was a fantastic show. I was just hoping that they
could LIVE UP to the level they established on the SFaM tour. They easily
surpassed that level, imo.
James rules, btw.
Kez, posting like a Mad(s)man
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Date: 26 Mar 2002 21:59:52 +0000
From: Graham Borland <graham@moonbog.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Boston Show
Message-ID: <m3k7rzvvl3.fsf@fry.lan>
"Neil Evans" <progmtl@mindspring.com> writes:
> That other drummer jamming with Mike on the double-assed monster kit was
> Mike Mangini. He played on Extreme's last album "Waiting for the Punchline"
> and has been in Steve Vai's touring band for a while. Probably has a lot of
> other credits that I'm not thinking of right now.
Mullmuzzler, with James LaBrie, would be the obvious one. :-P
-- Graham Borland graham@moonbog.net------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:52:06 -0600 From: "Bruce Forst" <bforst@peoplepc.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: The great debate without samples? Message-ID: <002701c1d532$01735020$254dea43@oemcomputer>
Is there a drive to get a alternate release of The Great Debate out, if so then I'm there! I like the song ok, but it seems that if you're going to do something like the voice samples that will ultimately date the song then it might be best to have a non-sampled version that can withstand more repeated listening. I tend to fast forward through the speaking parts even though i have an idea that the instrumental buildup getting buried underneath would be a wonderful thing to behold in all its unadorned splendor.
Bruce
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