YTSEJAM Digest 6144
Today's Topics:
1) Flower Kings in Seattle!
by "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com>
2) Minneapolis Show: 3/13/02
by "Matt Rose" <syrinx@sihope.com>
3) Re: Overplaying?
by "Eric Barker" <barkere1@us.ibm.com>
4) Re: Overplaying?
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
5) Chicago 3:16
by "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net>
6) Re: Overplaying?
by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
7) Free Pair of NEARfest Tickets
by Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com>
8) Chicago shows **SPOILERS**
by Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
9) Dream Theater Hit The Australian Top 20
by Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au>
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 05:59:43 -0800
From: "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com>
To: "Freaks" <freaks@torchsong.com>, "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Flower Kings in Seattle!
Message-ID: <005f01c1ce85$27ccf400$3d44e40c@attbi.com>
In three weeks, April 6th, at the King Cat Theater
(if FK can play there, so can DT, PROMOTERS ARE YOU READING?)
http://www.bytechservices.com/flowerkings.htm
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:19:39 -0600
From: "Matt Rose" <syrinx@sihope.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Minneapolis Show: 3/13/02
Message-ID: <002201c1ce87$f1d41740$43c2c3cf@computer>
SPOILERS
SPOILERS
SPOILERS
SPOILERS
Haven't seen anyone post a set list yet, so I figured I'd tell you what
they played. I may have the order for the first set off, but here it
is:
FIRST SET:
Tape Intro/End of Scenes From a Memory
The Glass Prison
Strange Deja Vu
6:00
Surrounded/End of Rush's 2112
Peruvian Skies
Scarred
The Great Debate
Pull Me Under
SECOND SET:
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
ENCORE:
Home
The Spirit Carries On
Learning to Live
GREAT Concert, although it was very loud; there were times when James
hit some high notes that seemed to be above the pain threshold. The
crowd went nuts when they went into the last part of 2112. JP even did
'Attention all planets of the Solar Federation...We have assumed
control'. Way cool. If they ever cover that Rush Album, it would be
quite a show.
There you go
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:32:13 -0700
From: "Eric Barker" <barkere1@us.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Overplaying?
Message-ID: <OF6E2706D9.27C8598B-ON87256B80.00549A90@boulder.ibm.com>
I just have to speak up here. Every time I read or hear the term
"Overplaying" I just get absolutely irritated. It is totally ridiculous to
use this term. Do you go to work and "overwork" and get criticized for
creating an amazing presentation? or designing an intricate yet manageable
web site? or doing a great job at what ever you do? I don't think so, you
get praised and encouraged.
Get my point yet?
Aristotle thought that music should be simple, this is the only point that
I disagree with. Portnoy (and any musician for that matter) should be
encouraged to use his/their full potential. GO FOR IT MIKE!!!!
Just a thought.
Eric
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:20:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Overplaying?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0203181216200.16935-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Eric Barker wrote:
> Do you go to work and "overwork" and get criticized for creating an
> amazing presentation? or designing an intricate yet manageable web
> site? or doing a great job at what ever you do? I don't think so, you
> get praised and encouraged. Get my point yet?
Not exactly. Music especially is one field where you CAN do too
much. Sometimes, playing fast or intricately is done without any artistic
reasoning behind it, and it can feel like it's too much, just like
something can be too loud or too flashy. Because music is an aesthetic
medium, that people can judge upon based solely on their impressions of
it, there IS such thing as overplaying.
Besides, there is also a point in, say, a presentation, where the amount
of detail work you put into the piece isn't necessary. After that it just
becomes fluff.
> Aristotle thought that music should be simple, this is the only point
> that I disagree with. Portnoy (and any musician for that matter)
> should be encouraged to use his/their full potential. GO FOR IT
> MIKE!!!!
Well, K.I.S.S. is a very good philosophy, but there is a time and a place
for artistic intricacy. However, if they (DT, that is) don't have any
artistic reason for doing what they do when they do it, it just looks like
they're showing off, and nobody likes a show-off.
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
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The only stupid question is the one that is never
asked, except maybe "Don't you think it's about
time you audited my tax return?" or "But officer,
isn't it morally wrong to give me a warning when,
in fact, I was speeding?"
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:57:18 -0500
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Chicago 3:16
Message-ID: <3C96388E.5587@atl.mediaone.net>
Probably this has already been posted, but the Chicago 3/16 show
featured MASTER OF PUPPETS played again in its entirety, as well as a
mostly-different set from the previous night.
Aside from some apparent monitor problems during the beginning of
"Battery," it sounded great!
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:17:10 -0800 (PST) From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Overplaying? Message-ID: <20020318191710.58165.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu> wrote: > However, if they (DT, that is) don't have > any artistic reason for doing what they do when they do it, it just > looks like they're showing off, and nobody likes a show-off.
Well, if you're going to take it that far, I'll have to strongly disagree with you. If you do something well, there is absolutely no reason for you not to do it well all the time, and do it often, simply because it gives you pleasure to do that one thing well. Moreover, having an "artistic reason" behind a large amount of notes played really fast does not mean you're not showing off. Most people won't even see the "artistic reason," and those who do oftentimes have no clue where it comes from. So, the question arises, what exactly is showing off? You'd be insane to claim that no one who's really good should show off.
To be a bit more brief, I'll just say that I have no problem with good compositions, "artistic reasons," overplaying, showing off, or any combination or derivative of the above. Bands like Dream Theater get into music to do what they want, and if you don't like it, criticism, especially that which is not thought out, is otiose.
- Ilia.
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:43:50 -0500 From: Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Free Pair of NEARfest Tickets Message-ID: <2.2.32.20020318194350.01b387a4@gwis.com>
Hi, folks:
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:58:33 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Chicago shows **SPOILERS** Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.31.0203181556560.8107-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>
*****SPOILERS*****
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For those curious, here were the setlists for the 2 Chicago shows:
3/15/02: ending of SfaM straight into The Glass Prison Strange Dij` vu Through My Words Fatal Tragedy Guitar solo with Jordan backing on keys Scarred 2112 Grand Finale keyboard solo straight into Lines in the Sand (demo) Misunderstoof Lie (with keyboard solo and jam) The Spirit Carries On Learning to Live
Intermission
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (overture was all keyboards and played over the speakers)
Encore: Home Hollow Years Pull Me Under (MP sped up in the middle of the song, and the rest of the band followed; it was hilarious to see James keep up with the words)
Finally Free (piano only) was played over the speakers after the show was over
3/16/02: ending of SfaM straight into The Glass Prison 6:00 Beyond This Life Surrounded Burning My Soul (demo with Hell's Kitchen in the middle) Another Hand/The Killing Hand Another Dimension Peruvian Skies The Great Debate
Intermission
Master of Puppets in its entirety (Battery, Master of Puppets, The Thing That Should Not Be, Welcome Home (Sanitarium), Disposable Heroes, Leper Messiah, Orion, and Damage Inc.)
Encore: Home The Spirit Carries On Take The Time (JLB and MP both played at the "Siamese monster" for the intro to the song!) Jam with JR and JP trading off solos followed by parts of By-Tor and the Snow Dog
Finally Free (piano only) was played over the speakers after the show was over
Both shows were amazing!!! No complaints from me. And both were being videotaped, so who knows if they'll pop up somewhere. Does MP tape lots of shows for his own personal collection?
Robert Taylor rctaylor@uiuc.edu http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~rctaylor
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:07:11 +1100 From: Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au> To: The Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Dream Theater Hit The Australian Top 20 Message-ID: <53418570.20020319170711@optushome.com.au>
'Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence' is #19 in the Australian alternative album charts, first week in.
Also strong rumours of an Australian show at the end of April following on their Asian tour.
-- Best regards, Graham mailto:gjboyle@optushome.com.au
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