YTSEJAM Digest 6191
Today's Topics:
1) re: There Goes Tokyo...
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
2) King Crimson
by Sum WhiteGuy <pokgaitsai@yahoo.com>
3) Re: New band, Winds
by schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
4) Re: King Crimson
by Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
5) Dave Schott! Here ye, here ye
by "Scott (Virtuality)" <ninja@mindspring.com>
6) Re: King Crimson
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
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Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 17:49:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: There Goes Tokyo...
Message-ID: <20020504004944.48681.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com>
"D C" <Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com> queried:
> Who thinks DT should cover "Godzilla" by Blue Oyster
Cult? I think that
> would rock!
Who thinks DT should never cover anyone else's songs?
I like that idea.
Or maybe they should cover Chop Suey!...can Labrie get
the words out fast enough? I bet MP might go for
Bounce, if only for the Zappaishness of it...
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Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 18:32:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sum WhiteGuy <pokgaitsai@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: King Crimson
Message-ID: <20020504013218.81705.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com>
>Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 11:59:06 -0400
>From: "Elisa Calimano" <elisa_c@MIT.EDU>
>To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: King Crimson
>Message-ID:
><IPEFJNDOEGIINJHEGHEEEEKPCHAA.elisa_c@mit.edu>
>
>Hey all!!
>I sampled some of king crimson and it sounded very
>interesting. So, out
>of
>all their recordings, which one would you recommend
>to start? Can I get
>a
>description of their eras, etc.?
>
>Thanks,
>Elisa
Okay...warning...this could very well be the longest
post I have ever submitted to the 'jam.....
Seeing as how KC is my favorite band and I have 50+
discs of theirs, and that I got my start from someone
on the jam who was kind enough to recommend a starting
point.....I figure I'll weigh in on this :-)
The short version...start with one of the following
(but remember, the different eras sound have different
sound):
1) Live in Japan (VHS)/Deja VROOOM(DVD) - Live (this
is, in my opinion the best intro to the band)
2)In The Court Of The Crimson King
3)The Night Watch (Live Release)
4)Absent Lovers (Live release)
5) THRAK
6) The ConstruKction of Light
read on for more detail......
These eras/groupings are my own
Era #1 - 1969/1970
In The Court of The Crimson King
In The Wake Of Poseidon
Very strong releases. Rock, almost metal with jazz
influence.
In The Court... is a must have. It was my first
purchase, and still gets regular play. Moonchild is a
bit iffy, but 21st Century Schizoid Man is a prog
classic, Epitaph and the title track are also
spectacular. Features Greg Lake on bass and vox on
the album and tour just before meeting Keith Emerson
to form some other band.
In The Wake is a great followup release. Pictures of
a City and the title track are fantastic and the
Devil's Triangle is a dark, terrifying instrumental.
Era #2 - 1970/1971
Lizard
This is a kind of blah release. I can't really
recommend it. The band was really in a state of
transition. By this point only Robert Fripp was the
remaining member of the original lineup (unless you
count Peter Sinfield who wrote the lyrics). The title
track is oneof those long songs and features a guest
vocal spot by Jon Anderson.
Era #3 - 1971/1972
Islands
Yet another transition....different lineup from the
previous release. Better music than Lizard, but
doesn't contain the edge of the first era. Get later.
Era #4 - 1972-1974
Larks Tongues in Aspic
Starless & Bible Black
Red
My favorite era.
Fripp scrapped the Islands lineup and started over
(again). This is technically 3 lineups as they start
as a 5 piece and and as a 3 piece, but it's the same
era. Hard, dark, edgy sound. Lots of improvisation
live on stage.
Started with Fripp (guitar, mellotron), John Wetton
(Bass, vocals), David Cross (violin, mellotron), Bill
Bruford fresh after recording Close To The Edge with
Yes (drums) and Jamie Muir (drums and assorted other
items).
Personal opinion...this era is best represented on
"The Night Watch". A complete concert from 1973. 2
CD, reasonably priced. This is the same show where
parts of Starless & Bible Black are from. Does not
have Muir as he had left to join a monestary at that
point.
Then get Larks and Red. You won't really need
Starless & Bible Black at that point.
Also available from that era is The Grweat Deceiver
box set (live from 73/74). Contains LOTS of improvs.
Coming soon from the King Crimson Collectors Club
(which you no longer have to be a member to purchase
from by the way) is the first(?) live performance of
the 5 piece band at teh Zoom Club in Germany. If it's
the same show I'm thinking of....it contains a 43
minute improvisation. Due out later this month.
Oh...and Fripp disbanded the band in 1974.
Era #5 - 1981-1984
Discipline
Beat
Three of a Perfect Pair
Fripp reforms KC with Bruford, Tony Levin and Adrian
Belew.
Discipline is a must have from this era. Beat is
pretty good. I hardly listen to Three of a Perfect
Pair.
An official live release from this lineup is the
complete Montreal show from 1985 (the last of that
lineup). It's called Absent Lovers and is quite good.
They disbanded in 1985 (this is beginning to sound
like a Monty Python sketch, isn't it?)
Era #6 - 1994-1996
VROOOM (EP)
B'BOOM ("official bootleg")
THRAK (Full length studio release)
THRaKaTTaK (compilation of improvs from the 95 tour).
My second favorite era of KC.
KC recforms in 1994, with the same lineup as the 80s,
plus TRey Gunn on stick (later switching to Warr
guitar) and Pat Mastelotto on drums. Called the
Double Trio as they have 2 guitarists, 2 stickists, 2
drummers.
THRAK is very good, THRaKaTTaK is scary. But one of
the best represntations of this era is the "Live in
Japan" video from 1995 (available on DVD as "Deja
VROOOM"). That is VERY highly recommended. It's a
great intro to King Crimson, not just this lineup.
Recently released on double CD is VROOOM VROOOM which
is 2 disc and taken from 2 shows on the 95/96 tour.
Contains the double trio's rendition of 21st Century
Schizoid Man (which they had not played since 1974).
Transitional Period - The ProjeKcts - 1996-1999
ProjeKct Two - Space Groove
The ProjeKcts Box Set
After some problems during rehearsals in 97, Fripp,
instead of breaking up again, decided to have the band
break off into subsets of the double trio and jam in
frot of audiences in search of new music. ProjeKct
One, for example, consisted of Bill Bruford, Tony
Levin, Trey Gunn and Robert Fripp and played 4 nights
at the Jazz Cafe in London. All improvisation.
I like ProjeKct 1 and ProjeKct 4 the best (but you
have to get the box set for those CDs).
Era #7 - 2000 - Present
The ConstruKction of Light
Level Five (limited edition EP)
Fripp decided to end the ProjecKts and regroup to do
the next studio album in late 1999. Bill Bruford was
still off with his jazz band, Earthworks and Tony
Levin was busy with sessions, collaborations and solo
material. So they reformed as a 4 piece (Fripp, Gunn,
Belew, Mastelotto).
TCoL is a great CD and features a 12 minute wall of
sound instrumental that you must hear. Some decry the
production as a little dry, but I like the CD a lot.
Was listening to it at work today.
Highly recommended.
There is a 3 cd release from thei TCoL tour called
Heavy ConstruKction. Disc 3 is all improvs from that
tour.
Level Five is an EP that was only available at shows
during 2001's Level Five tour and now through their
website (www.king-crimson.com). Features live works
in progress of songs that will be on their next CD.
They are currently in Nashville working on an EP, will
tour (possibly with Tool again), and then record a
full length CD. At least that's the current plan.
Any questions?
Jon.
mau-tze@erols.com
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Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 02:23:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: New band, Winds
Message-ID: <m173swq-000JyTC@mail.interzone.com>
>
>it out. Winds--Reflections of the I. It is out on The End Records. It
>is the same company that put out one of my favorite records of the year,
>Green Carnation -- Light of Day, Day of Darkness. The album is
>prog-metal. It is a concept album as far as I can tell. All of the
>instrumentation is top notch. The vocalist doesn't have a huge range
>but he can sing. One reason I do like the vocals is that they don't
>sound wimpy/cheese. There are some interesting elements to their sound.
>
And of course the obligatory next post: you can find some mp3s
at http://www.abrasiverock.com/cdreviews/winds.shtml
Steve
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Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 07:54:08 -0500
From: Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: King Crimson
Message-ID: <B8F94420.29AF%mnazer@pressenter.com>
on 5/3/02 8:42 PM, Sum WhiteGuy at pokgaitsai@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Okay...warning...this could very well be the longest
> Any questions?
>
> Jon.
Thanks for the recommendations and the history lesson. King C is a band I
have not listened to, but your post has me interested.
Pam
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Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 09:21:18 -0400
From: "Scott (Virtuality)" <ninja@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Dave Schott! Here ye, here ye
Message-ID: <3CD3DFFD.C534AEDB@mindspring.com>
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Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 14:33:12 -0400
From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: King Crimson
Message-ID: <F127sfIAhFgXDEnobsN0000b706@hotmail.com>
I would recommend just getting the 3 albums from 1972-1974: Larks'; Starless
and Red...then get Court. That's a very good start.
>From: Sum WhiteGuy <pokgaitsai@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: King Crimson
>Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 18:42:16 -0700 (PDT)
>
> >Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 11:59:06 -0400
> >From: "Elisa Calimano" <elisa_c@MIT.EDU>
> >To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> >Subject: King Crimson
> >Message-ID:
> ><IPEFJNDOEGIINJHEGHEEEEKPCHAA.elisa_c@mit.edu>
> >
> >Hey all!!
> >I sampled some of king crimson and it sounded very
> >interesting. So, out
> >of
> >all their recordings, which one would you recommend
> >to start? Can I get
> >a
> >description of their eras, etc.?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Elisa
>
>Okay...warning...this could very well be the longest
>post I have ever submitted to the 'jam.....
>
>Seeing as how KC is my favorite band and I have 50+
>discs of theirs, and that I got my start from someone
>on the jam who was kind enough to recommend a starting
>point.....I figure I'll weigh in on this :-)
>
>
>The short version...start with one of the following
>(but remember, the different eras sound have different
>sound):
>
>1) Live in Japan (VHS)/Deja VROOOM(DVD) - Live (this
>is, in my opinion the best intro to the band)
>
>2)In The Court Of The Crimson King
>
>3)The Night Watch (Live Release)
>
>4)Absent Lovers (Live release)
>
>5) THRAK
>
>6) The ConstruKction of Light
>
>read on for more detail......
>
>These eras/groupings are my own
>
>Era #1 - 1969/1970
>In The Court of The Crimson King
>In The Wake Of Poseidon
>
>Very strong releases. Rock, almost metal with jazz
>influence.
>
>In The Court... is a must have. It was my first
>purchase, and still gets regular play. Moonchild is a
>bit iffy, but 21st Century Schizoid Man is a prog
>classic, Epitaph and the title track are also
>spectacular. Features Greg Lake on bass and vox on
>the album and tour just before meeting Keith Emerson
>to form some other band.
>
>In The Wake is a great followup release. Pictures of
>a City and the title track are fantastic and the
>Devil's Triangle is a dark, terrifying instrumental.
>
>
>Era #2 - 1970/1971
>Lizard
>
>This is a kind of blah release. I can't really
>recommend it. The band was really in a state of
>transition. By this point only Robert Fripp was the
>remaining member of the original lineup (unless you
>count Peter Sinfield who wrote the lyrics). The title
>track is oneof those long songs and features a guest
>vocal spot by Jon Anderson.
>
>
>Era #3 - 1971/1972
>Islands
>
>Yet another transition....different lineup from the
>previous release. Better music than Lizard, but
>doesn't contain the edge of the first era. Get later.
>
>Era #4 - 1972-1974
>Larks Tongues in Aspic
>Starless & Bible Black
>Red
>
>My favorite era.
>
>Fripp scrapped the Islands lineup and started over
>(again). This is technically 3 lineups as they start
>as a 5 piece and and as a 3 piece, but it's the same
>era. Hard, dark, edgy sound. Lots of improvisation
>live on stage.
>
>Started with Fripp (guitar, mellotron), John Wetton
>(Bass, vocals), David Cross (violin, mellotron), Bill
>Bruford fresh after recording Close To The Edge with
>Yes (drums) and Jamie Muir (drums and assorted other
>items).
>
>Personal opinion...this era is best represented on
>"The Night Watch". A complete concert from 1973. 2
>CD, reasonably priced. This is the same show where
>parts of Starless & Bible Black are from. Does not
>have Muir as he had left to join a monestary at that
>point.
>
>Then get Larks and Red. You won't really need
>Starless & Bible Black at that point.
>
>Also available from that era is The Grweat Deceiver
>box set (live from 73/74). Contains LOTS of improvs.
>
>Coming soon from the King Crimson Collectors Club
>(which you no longer have to be a member to purchase
>from by the way) is the first(?) live performance of
>the 5 piece band at teh Zoom Club in Germany. If it's
>the same show I'm thinking of....it contains a 43
>minute improvisation. Due out later this month.
>
>Oh...and Fripp disbanded the band in 1974.
>
>Era #5 - 1981-1984
>Discipline
>Beat
>Three of a Perfect Pair
>
>Fripp reforms KC with Bruford, Tony Levin and Adrian
>Belew.
>
>Discipline is a must have from this era. Beat is
>pretty good. I hardly listen to Three of a Perfect
>Pair.
>
>An official live release from this lineup is the
>complete Montreal show from 1985 (the last of that
>lineup). It's called Absent Lovers and is quite good.
>
>They disbanded in 1985 (this is beginning to sound
>like a Monty Python sketch, isn't it?)
>
>Era #6 - 1994-1996
>VROOOM (EP)
>B'BOOM ("official bootleg")
>THRAK (Full length studio release)
>THRaKaTTaK (compilation of improvs from the 95 tour).
>
>My second favorite era of KC.
>
>KC recforms in 1994, with the same lineup as the 80s,
>plus TRey Gunn on stick (later switching to Warr
>guitar) and Pat Mastelotto on drums. Called the
>Double Trio as they have 2 guitarists, 2 stickists, 2
>drummers.
>
>THRAK is very good, THRaKaTTaK is scary. But one of
>the best represntations of this era is the "Live in
>Japan" video from 1995 (available on DVD as "Deja
>VROOOM"). That is VERY highly recommended. It's a
>great intro to King Crimson, not just this lineup.
>
>Recently released on double CD is VROOOM VROOOM which
>is 2 disc and taken from 2 shows on the 95/96 tour.
>Contains the double trio's rendition of 21st Century
>Schizoid Man (which they had not played since 1974).
>
>Transitional Period - The ProjeKcts - 1996-1999
>ProjeKct Two - Space Groove
>The ProjeKcts Box Set
>
>After some problems during rehearsals in 97, Fripp,
>instead of breaking up again, decided to have the band
>break off into subsets of the double trio and jam in
>frot of audiences in search of new music. ProjeKct
>One, for example, consisted of Bill Bruford, Tony
>Levin, Trey Gunn and Robert Fripp and played 4 nights
>at the Jazz Cafe in London. All improvisation.
>
>I like ProjeKct 1 and ProjeKct 4 the best (but you
>have to get the box set for those CDs).
>
>Era #7 - 2000 - Present
>The ConstruKction of Light
>Level Five (limited edition EP)
>
>Fripp decided to end the ProjecKts and regroup to do
>the next studio album in late 1999. Bill Bruford was
>still off with his jazz band, Earthworks and Tony
>Levin was busy with sessions, collaborations and solo
>material. So they reformed as a 4 piece (Fripp, Gunn,
>Belew, Mastelotto).
>
>TCoL is a great CD and features a 12 minute wall of
>sound instrumental that you must hear. Some decry the
>production as a little dry, but I like the CD a lot.
>Was listening to it at work today.
>
>Highly recommended.
>
>There is a 3 cd release from thei TCoL tour called
>Heavy ConstruKction. Disc 3 is all improvs from that
>tour.
>
>Level Five is an EP that was only available at shows
>during 2001's Level Five tour and now through their
>website (www.king-crimson.com). Features live works
>in progress of songs that will be on their next CD.
>
>They are currently in Nashville working on an EP, will
>tour (possibly with Tool again), and then record a
>full length CD. At least that's the current plan.
>
>Any questions?
>
>Jon.
>mau-tze@erols.com
>NP: "Remedy Lane" by Pain of Salvation
>
>
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