YTSEJAM Digest 6355
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Tool
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
2) I SUCCEEDED IN THE REBIRTH OF THE YTSEJAM MAILING LIST
by "Chris Calabrese" <ytseryche2112@hotmail.com>
3) Re: porcupine tree
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
4) Re: I SUCCEEDED IN THE REBIRTH OF THE YTSEJAM MAILING LIST
by Wrath <ytsejam@webscure.net>
5) Re: I SUCCEEDED IN THE REBIRTH OF THE YTSEJAM MAILING LIST
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
6) Re: I SUCCEEDED IN THE REBIRTH OF THE YTSEJAM MAILING LIST
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
7) DT doing Maiden
by WoodyTJ34@aol.com
8) porcupine tree
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@yahoo.com>
9) Re: I SUCCEEDED IN THE REBIRTH OF THE YTSEJAM MAILING LIST
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
10) Re: porcupine tree
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
11) We got "your Majesty" the song !! PARIS 23Oct the link
by "Stephen Gervois" <stephen.gervois@free.fr>
12) Re: Economics (NDTC at all)
by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
13) Re: DT covering number of the beast
by schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
14) Re: DT covering number of the beast
by PWorrall@netscape.net (Pat Worrall)
15) Re: porcupine tree
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:45:52 -0700
From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Tool
Message-ID: <B9DF25C0.529B%schansen@cts.com>
In a mind-blowing e-mail sent on the extremely historic date of 10/25/02
3:53 PM, Kurt Hampton thusly spaketh:
> they suck. I know this cause I am right about everything.
>
> I know the pieces fit.
>
<snip>
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> I know the pieces fit.
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> Whoah, I just wrote a Tool song.
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> Kurt
I realize that you are probably half joking, with your "I am right about
everything" statement, but I recommend you look at your response when Chroma
was bashing Maiden:
http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.asp?m=89799&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=&langu
age=single&tmode=&s
That same response applies to you...
Scott
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:39:18 -0400
From: "Chris Calabrese" <ytseryche2112@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: I SUCCEEDED IN THE REBIRTH OF THE YTSEJAM MAILING LIST
Message-ID: <F34ldZ4Zua9UPSYdI9800009836@hotmail.com>
I stayed in lurk mode for years....didnt write a message since the good old
days when ytsejam was worth reading. Then I would get like 2 digests a week
with like 4 messages, so I figured I might as well throw something into the
mix to get people posting to the jam again. So first, I posted my
ANTI-PHISH message and then I posted my ANTI-PHISH/ANTI-TOOL
message...figuring it would get the jam going again....VOILA! This digest
has 24 messages! I still don't really like Phish or Tool that much but I
can think of an inifinite number of questionable posts I could have written
to get this list going. Hope no one got too offended!
~Chris
(on the jam since '97)
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:04:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: porcupine tree
Message-ID: <20021026010425.56894.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com>
> Re: porcupine tree
> I bought Lightbulb sun and was disappointed. The
only thing
> I liked on that disc was Russia on Ice
How different is the song "shesmovedon" from the
recent sampler? I really liked the "Tim Palmer" remix
on the sampler. I almost bought Lightbulb Sun just for
that. I really liked the lead guitar on that one.
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:09:46 -0400
From: Wrath <ytsejam@webscure.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: I SUCCEEDED IN THE REBIRTH OF THE YTSEJAM MAILING LIST
Message-ID: <3DB9EB5A.2010702@webscure.net>
Chris Calabrese wrote:
>I stayed in lurk mode for years....didnt write a message since the good old
>days when ytsejam was worth reading. Then I would get like 2 digests a week
>with like 4 messages, so I figured I might as well throw something into the
>mix to get people posting to the jam again. So first, I posted my
>ANTI-PHISH message and then I posted my ANTI-PHISH/ANTI-TOOL
>message...figuring it would get the jam going again....VOILA! This digest
>has 24 messages! I still don't really like Phish or Tool that much but I
>can think of an inifinite number of questionable posts I could have written
>to get this list going. Hope no one got too offended!
>
>
I'm calling you on this. You're full of shit. You didn't post those
because you wanted to get the jam going again, you posted them because
that's what you thought. And that's okay, but don't bullshit us because
you think everyone hates you for a "questionable post". You're far more
likely to hit alot more shitlists from lying than anything else.
wrath
>
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:14:11 -0400
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: I SUCCEEDED IN THE REBIRTH OF THE YTSEJAM MAILING LIST
Message-ID: <000701c27c8c$fda37990$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>
hahaha if only you started with a DT sucks thread... that would have gotten
everyone's typing fingers warmed up. =)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Calabrese" <ytseryche2112@hotmail.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 8:55 PM
Subject: I SUCCEEDED IN THE REBIRTH OF THE YTSEJAM MAILING LIST
> I stayed in lurk mode for years....didnt write a message since the good
old
> days when ytsejam was worth reading. Then I would get like 2 digests a
week
> with like 4 messages, so I figured I might as well throw something into
the
> mix to get people posting to the jam again. So first, I posted my
> ANTI-PHISH message and then I posted my ANTI-PHISH/ANTI-TOOL
> message...figuring it would get the jam going again....VOILA! This digest
> has 24 messages! I still don't really like Phish or Tool that much but I
> can think of an inifinite number of questionable posts I could have
written
> to get this list going. Hope no one got too offended!
>
> ~Chris
> (on the jam since '97)
>
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:16:11 -0700
From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: I SUCCEEDED IN THE REBIRTH OF THE YTSEJAM MAILING LIST
Message-ID: <20021025191611.A7487@zero.corp.publichost.com>
Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> farted:
> hahaha if only you started with a DT sucks thread... that would have gotten
> everyone's typing fingers warmed up. =)
Nah, we been through that already. During the whole FII phase.
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:30:04 EDT From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT doing Maiden Message-ID: <182.10d30238.2aeb582c@aol.com>
Hey all, I found this on the Metal Update that is emailed out weekly. It was interesting because there was no mention of DT doing Metallica in the spring. Enjoy, Todd
DREAM THEATER the band performed the entire bMaiden during the second of a two-night stint at the London Astoria on Monday 10/21 bkeyboardist Jordan Rudess reproduced the second guitar part including the solos - the songs were played true to the original versions except for "Gangland" which was done in a jazz style
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:49:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: porcupine tree Message-ID: <20021026034901.5947.qmail@web21410.mail.yahoo.com>
>Personally, I absolutely love them, and In Absentia >is probably going to be my Best Of 2002
My first exposure to Porcupine Tree was in the middle of a traffic jam, where for some reason I was listening to the radio station from the Community College that that highway happened to be travelling past. The song was "Waiting" and they played both parts, and it was a damn good thing that traffic wasn't moving, because I was entranced.
Anyway, Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun were both "Best of the Year" for me when they were released, and In Absentia, which is heavier than anything they've done to date (perhaps due to Steven Wilson hanging out with the Opeth guys?) is in competition with Snow and Ultima Ratio (Superior) for the honor this year. (And for the record, Meditations by former (current?) Ytsejammer Andy Miller/Subtlerage is in the running for a top 5 spot, http://www.subtlerage.com to check it out....)
Early days, PTree was a Pink Floydian mood inducing band, long meandering compositions, dipping into space rock at times. About 1996, or with the album Signify, they started moving more towards song structures, and that album is a good transition, if you want a view of both their past and where they've gone since then.
Good stuff, say I
Partha
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 01:08:55 -0400 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: I SUCCEEDED IN THE REBIRTH OF THE YTSEJAM MAILING LIST Message-ID: <000d01c27cad$c884fba0$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>
Really? Oh... I wasn't around back then.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 10:36 PM Subject: Re: I SUCCEEDED IN THE REBIRTH OF THE YTSEJAM MAILING LIST
> Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> farted: > > hahaha if only you started with a DT sucks thread... that would have gotten > > everyone's typing fingers warmed up. =) > > Nah, we been through that already. During the whole FII phase. > > > -- > -------------- > http://www.zeromemory.com - metal for your ears. >
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 05:20:56 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: porcupine tree Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.44.0210260517420.4312-100000@sdf.lonestar.org>
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Jenny K wrote:
> ....<snip>.... a prog orgasm .....<snip>....
wow, what i wouldn't give to stand next to you at a DT show..... i think i need a cigarette. -eric
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:06:48 +0200 From: "Stephen Gervois" <stephen.gervois@free.fr> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: We got "your Majesty" the song !! PARIS 23Oct the link Message-ID: <000f01c27cb5$df32ac00$82defea9@cycodomain>
Concerning the song "Your Majesty" for those of you not speeking French here it is : http://regression.free.fr/
See ye
> Hi all, > > I'm back from Paris and as usual WOW. > > I won't say too much about the excellant show except this : > Dream played for the first time in 16 years "Your Majesty" the song. > Imagine they had acne when they wrote that one in Berkly ;) > It was dedicated to the fan club Your Majesty. > > It was great ! > > The most amazing thing is if you go to the French Your Majesty fan club site > you can download it. > > Happy listening. > > A carbon based life form, > > PS : for those of you who remember my rant on the cancelling of Montpellier > well now I've seen the show all is forgiven ;) >
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 10:12:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Economics (NDTC at all) Message-ID: <20021026171255.20670.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Steve Chew <schew@interzone.com> wrote: > An interesting prediction... So what, exactly, do you mean > by "shit's gonna go down?" And why the end of 2002 or > begining of 2003? > Be specific. When 2003 rolls around I want to be able to > point to > your prediction and say you were right or you were wrong. > People make > statements like yours all the time -- back it up with details > that > can be verified please. Thanks. > > Steve >
First of all, why by the end of the year, or shortly after? Because that's when most of the financial institutions draw bottom lines. Also, spending season will be in full force, and for financial aggregates, that just might be the straw that breaks the camel's back, considering the sizes of the speculative bubbles. Stuff like that.
As for verifiable details, well, let's see...
In the U.S.'s third quarter (ending 9/30), Nasdaq was already 78% below its market value in 2000. New Economy, once again, was provably a hoax (pardon the proof surrogate, it's just long and winding - I can direct you where to go to decide for yourself).
Now, abroad - same thing. Japan is at a 19-year low, which is bad news for their bank holdings. Nemax-50 (German NASDAQ) is so low that they'll likely shut it down by end of the ear. DAX has lost close to 70% since 2000.
US budgets are shoestring, headed downhill. State deficit throughout the country is nearly $40bil (over 12 months ending in 06-2002), and revenue from state governments is down by 8% over the same period. Federal budget is over $300 billion in deficit and counting. The national debt is around three times the size of our GDP, and internationally, the debts are totalling just over $4 trillion, literally unpayable.
US housing market, which is now mostly contained within its own bubbles of speculation (including mortgages and refinancing), is done for. Homeowner's mortgages are totalling close to $6trillion, with $5 trillion more in various derivative obligations. These riskier issues are coming directly from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
The banking in the US is also on the verge of collapse. The market capitalization of JP Morgan-Chase is down by a little over 70% since beginning of 2001 (going from $106.5 bil to $31 bil). Most other banks are also in a similar fix, down by 50% or more. Citigroup, Charles Schwab, Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, are all on the list.
Here is the scary part about the banking system, though. JP Morgan is also the world's largegst derivatives bank, and I hope to think it common knowledge that derivatives have no value but that of paper money (which isn't much). As of June 30, 2002, JP had over $26 TRILLION in derivatives, up $2 trillion from first quarter, while the loans are only $207 BILLION. That's $127 in derivatives per $1 in loans. The outstanding derivatives exceed all their loans - $278 billion. JP, second-largest US bank, has over half the credit derivatives held by all other US banks combined. All this basically means, that a loss of 0.2% of JP's derivatives portfolio would wipe out its $43 in stockholder's equity completely. Other banks are seeing similar situations with their derivative holdings, though Morgan-Chase makes the rest of them look good. The wipe-out point, in my estimation for all US banks, is 1.2% loss in derivatives.
Also, let's look at foreign investments. They said, "We gotta go" like rats on a sinking ship. If you compare the first half of 2001 ($116 billion in foreign investments) to the first half of 2002 ($58 billion in foreign investments) that paints a grim picture of what other countries think of the US and its economy right now. For all the right reasons, I'd say.
Finally, the rate of layoffs coupled with bankrupcies all across the board are becoming the major factor in the economic collapse. Since roughly Summer 2000, close to 2 million manufacturing jobs have been cut or otherwise lost. Considering how shabby our manufacturing secor is, bad, bad, news.
Now, all that said, you might think, well economy goes in cycles, or, we can fix all this no problem. Well, the issue is systemic, and if we don't rehaul the system - away from the "consumer" economy, floating exchange rate, IMF/World Bank, et al., it will plunge us, as some people have put it, into a New Dark Age.
Look at the following simple idea. We need to produce to survive (I believe I've discussed that in a previous e-mail). Production has to grow. We have to get the produce out to people who need it and want to exchange good/services for it, in turn giving us their share of production. So, production and its transportation are key, and their efficiency is a standard of measure of the economy. Here's the paradox: if that is the case, and we have destroyed, between late 1960s and early 1990s, close to 100,000 miles of rail, bankrupted our de-regulated airlines, killed thousands of people with the fascist HMO policy (people are necessary for production too), de-regulated energy (allowing companies like Enron to come into as much power as they did), and ruined our waterways, then how is it possible that year 2000 saw the strongest economy ever? Computers are a great piece of technology, but the utopian cult of AI is definitely out. A post-industrial society with a "New Economy" is not possible, because people can't eat, wear, and live in anything produced by Information Technology. IT is simply a means to an end, it is not an end, period.
Apologies to all those who don't care at all about this. I just feel the need, or urge, sometimes to try to wake people up to reality of the situation that's going to face us.
Thanks for reading, interest, etc. If I'm wrong, I won't be afraid to admit it later, but right now the picture to me is pretty accurately painted.
Later,
- Ilia.
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:34:42 -0400 (EDT) From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: DT covering number of the beast Message-ID: <m185Vli-003HCqC@mail.interzone.com>
> >> Is there anybody here who saw or heard DT playing Iron Maiden's >> Number of the Beast in its entirety? Could somebody please comment >> on how it was? How did James sound? > >It sounded incredible, and James was the star of the show. He was >singing out of his skin, and his performance as a frontman was the >best I've seen him do. He gets better and better! >
Very cool! So, did they use samples for the opening of "Number of the Beast?" "Woe to you..." etc?
Steve
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 15:14:28 -0400 From: PWorrall@netscape.net (Pat Worrall) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: DT covering number of the beast Message-ID: <074DE770.0321949A.007AC117@netscape.net>
I know this has been asked before but I'll ask it again. Does anyone know where I could download this (like I was able to with the Barcelona MOP show)?
schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) wrote:
>> >>> Is there anybody here who saw or heard DT playing Iron Maiden's >>> Number of the Beast in its entirety? Could somebody please comment >>> on how it was? How did James sound? >> >>It sounded incredible, and James was the star of the show. He was >>singing out of his skin, and his performance as a frontman was the >>best I've seen him do. He gets better and better! >> > > Very cool! So, did they use samples for the opening of "Number >of the Beast?" "Woe to you..." etc? > > Steve > >
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 15:27:37 -0400 From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: porcupine tree Message-ID: <F154xhYaf7ih9iqQdgo000072ca@hotmail.com>
Porcupine Tree is one of the best things out there. Period. Personally, just playing one billion notes a second like Symphony X likes to gets old. The songs need to come first and PT (Steven Wilson) does just that. BUY IN ABSENTIA!
Rob
>From: Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com> >Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Subject: Re: porcupine tree >Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:59:24 -0700 (PDT) > >on 10/25/02 12:08 AM, Jenny K at echolucretia@hotmail.com wrote: > > > Hey what up, > > At one point I thought Porcupine Tree was really, really extraordinary. > > This was back when I didn't do all my music listening in the car, so I >could > > pay loving attention to Pink Floyd-type sounds (as one of our collegues > > already cited the affiliation). Nowadays I don't listen to them much >(the > > road-rage thing--the two don't mix), but if it's your style, go for it. >One > > thing to note, in my very humble and unqualified opinion: it's not a >prog > > orgasm, so you might be setting yourself up for disappointment if that's > > what you're hungering after. -JK > > > > >I agree with you JK. I bought Lightbulb sun and was disappointed. The >only >thing I liked on that disc was Russia on Ice > >Pam > >"Hi" >John Myung, 8/23/1998
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