YTSEJAM Digest 6725
Today's Topics:
1) tuesday at Sam Ash in Cherry Hill
by Stan Tyszka <soculese@comcast.net>
2) RE: Why did James LaBrie not sing at some shows?
by James Lutz <ytsejim@optonline.net>
3) Re: vocal melodies/James not singing
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
4) Honor Thy Father
by Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
5) Re: Vocal melodies
by Steve Chew <schew@interzone.com>
6) Re: Vocal melodies
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
7) Re: Vocal melodies
by Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
8) Re: Vocal melodies
by "Dave Schott" <admdave@qis.net>
9) Re: Vocal melodies
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
10) RE: Vocal melodies
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
11) Re: Vocal melodies
by Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
12) Re: Vocal melodies
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:50:06 -0500
From: Stan Tyszka <soculese@comcast.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: tuesday at Sam Ash in Cherry Hill
Message-ID: <11B77AB4-23A9-11D8-AF56-000A27B4B1C6@comcast.net>
Anyone Going???????
Stan
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 00:39:59 -0500
From: James Lutz <ytsejim@optonline.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE: Why did James LaBrie not sing at some shows?
Message-ID: <0HP7004DRBRS82@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
> -(He also sang the beginning of "The Killing Hand" at
> Toad's Place in New Haven, CT in December of 1996,
> when James "...got caught up backstage".
>
> Can anybody elaborate in these reasons?
> Why was James caught up backstage?
If I'm not mistaken, I think he was taking a piss.
He may have even mentioned that when he returned
to the stage.
~YtseJim
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:32:27 -0800
From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: vocal melodies/James not singing
Message-ID: <BBF0207B.7701%schansen@cts.com>
Mike Shetzer:
> Second, does James write his own vocal melodies and such to DT songs (or more
> accurately, does/has he always, sometimes or never...)? My friend recently
> asked me that and I was stumped.
In the past, it was primarily JP, Mike and Kevin (when he was with the band)
that wrote the vocal melodies, with the occasional suggestion from James.
However, I recall reading/hearing that for the new album, where James was
present for the entire writing process, James played a much larger role in
writing the vocal melodies, along with JP and Mike.
Snarncymbl@aol.com:
> It was mentioned on DTFAQ.com that James LaBrie didn't sing onstage due to
> diffrent reasons
>
> -(He also sang the beginning of "The Killing Hand" at Toad's Place in New
> Haven, CT in December of 1996, when James "...got caught up backstage". Mike
> has
> also done the first few lines of "Take the Time" at nearly every show on the
> FII tour.)
>
> -(- Mike picked up lead vocal duties during the first verse of "Anna Lee" at
> the February 26th, 1998 show in Brussels Belgium. The verse was followed by
> "Where the f--- is James!?")
I think in both cases, James just wasn't paying attention to where the guys
were at in a song, and neglected to come out on cue - nothing more than
that.
> -(- In February 2000, when James left the stage under threat of arrest from
> the fire marshall, Mike sang most of The Spirit Carries On with the entire
> crowd singing along)
>
> Can anybody elaborate in these reasons? Why was James caught up backstage?
> Why did he walk off stage? Why did James get threatened to be arrested?. If
> you
> know, email me or reply to this message :)
Andrew got some of the basics right on this one, but since I was there, I'll
elaborate a bit:
The Palace was oversold - too many people were on the floor level and some
how the Fire Marshal was made aware of the situation, and using their
authority, wanted the show stopped and the venue shut down for the evening.
The authorities showed up backstage during One Last Time, and during the
instrumental break between it and TSCO, they signaled James off to the side
of the stage. Once they did so, they threatened him with arrest if he
returned to the stage, as well as possible deportation (as he's Canadian,
not American). Obviously, he didn't want to get into trouble, so he didn't
return to the stage.
Mike started to sing and was quickly made aware of what was going on (which
he then commented to the fans). In tr00 rock'n'roll spirit, Mike said they
were gonna continue - that they would literally have to pull them off stage.
So they continued with playing TSCO (very fitting) and Mike stumbled thru
the lyrics for the first half of the song, and then encouraged the audience
to sing the rest of it, which we all did. As we sang, the PA volume slowly
faded until all we were left hearing were the amps from the stage. Then,
just before the song ended, they literally pulled the plug on the amps and
thus ended the show. (This is all documented on the "The Spirit Really
Carries On" bootleg, as well as on one track from the 2000 Fan Club CD)
Apparently, after the show, the other 4 guys were threatened with arrest
since they refused to end the show when they were supposed to. Some how,
things were worked out and this didn't happen. The following day at NAMM, I
spoke with Mike on whether that show would happen or not, and Mike said it
would, only if the venue agreed to let them play much longer than they
originally were scheduled to - otherwise, they were gonna cancel. Well, DT
got their longer show, but immediately afterward, Mike vowed *never* to play
the Palace again (and they haven't). After that gig, the venue blamed the
promoter, and the promoter blamed the venue.
Either way, the second show was *also* way oversold, and unlike the first
night, people were allowed to sit on the stairs in the balcony (which is
also a fire hazard) so that the floor in front of the stage wouldn't be
overcrowded.
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:16:24 +0000
From: Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Honor Thy Father
Message-ID: <20031201111624.GA12144@brain.pulsesol.com>
Anyone spot the backing vocal in the first verse? The almost spoken,
gothic voice? Or perhaps an effect on James's voice? Either way, it's
extremely cool.
T
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:37:41 -0500 From: Steve Chew <schew@interzone.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Vocal melodies Message-ID: <20031201203741.GC26832@interzone.com>
>Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:47:02 +0000 (UTC) >On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Mike Shetzer wrote: >> Second, does James write his own vocal melodies and such to DT songs >>(or more accurately, does/has he always, sometimes or never...)? My friend >>recently asked me that and I was stumped. In other words, if James doesnt >>write that much lyrics anymore and the vocal melodies are essentially >>given to him, then what does he actually do? I hope he writes some of >>his own... >> > >From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> >I believe he writes most of the vocal melodies. I was watching a 7 >minute vidclip that i pulled off the net. it was shot by portnoy for the >italian fanclub, i believe. it was at beartracks studio, & they were >working on SFAM. mp went around to each bandmember & did a little blurb >with each. while talking to james, james mentioned that he was "putting >the vocal melodies together & getting them down", as he would be recording >his tracks in a few days. this leads me to believe that he's the one >actually coming up with most of the vocal melodies. anyone else have any >other input on this?? >
Mike, I think that's a really interesting question. And if Eric is right, that James writes most of the vocal melodies, then I'm pretty disappointed with James' efforts lately. However, I think that part of the problem is that the lyrics may not lend themselves well to vocal melodies. I found many of the lyrics on SFAM to be stiff and that's how they came out in the vocals too -- more of a spoken story than a song. Writing lyrics which create good rhythm and rhyme is difficult and DT hasn't been spending enough time and effort on it, imho. I like some of the vocals from ToT, but very little of it stands out.
Steve
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:14:05 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Vocal melodies Message-ID: <000f01c3b850$0d5dc750$9b00a8c0@mizz>
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I was wondering the answer to this also because of the Music by: Dream Theater that we're used to, whereas TOT has Music by: JP, JM, JR and MP... I figured writing vocal melodies must be part of writing the music... so I thought maybe in TOT they were given to him... ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Chew To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:41 PM Subject: Re: Vocal melodies
>Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:47:02 +0000 (UTC) >On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Mike Shetzer wrote: >> Second, does James write his own vocal melodies and such to DT songs >>(or more accurately, does/has he always, sometimes or never...)? My friend >>recently asked me that and I was stumped. In other words, if James doesnt >>write that much lyrics anymore and the vocal melodies are essentially >>given to him, then what does he actually do? I hope he writes some of >>his own... >> > >From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> >I believe he writes most of the vocal melodies. I was watching a 7 >minute vidclip that i pulled off the net. it was shot by portnoy for the >italian fanclub, i believe. it was at beartracks studio, & they were >working on SFAM. mp went around to each bandmember & did a little blurb >with each. while talking to james, james mentioned that he was "putting >the vocal melodies together & getting them down", as he would be recording >his tracks in a few days. this leads me to believe that he's the one >actually coming up with most of the vocal melodies. anyone else have any >other input on this?? >
Mike, I think that's a really interesting question. And if Eric is right, that James writes most of the vocal melodies, then I'm pretty disappointed with James' efforts lately. However, I think that part of the problem is that the lyrics may not lend themselves well to vocal melodies. I found many of the lyrics on SFAM to be stiff and that's how they came out in the vocals too -- more of a spoken story than a song. Writing lyrics which create good rhythm and rhyme is difficult and DT hasn't been spending enough time and effort on it, imho. I like some of the vocals from ToT, but very little of it stands out.
Steve
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:33:20 +0000 From: Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Vocal melodies Message-ID: <20031201213320.GA653@brain.pulsesol.com>
> >> Second, does James write his own vocal melodies and such to DT songs > >>(or more accurately, does/has he always, sometimes or never...)? My friend > >>recently asked me that and I was stumped. In other words, if James doesnt > >>write that much lyrics anymore and the vocal melodies are essentially > >>given to him, then what does he actually do? I hope he writes some of > >>his own...
Apparently Myung writes the vocal melodies, and basically sings them to James so that he can get them right.
T
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:57:40 -0500 From: "Dave Schott" <admdave@qis.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Vocal melodies Message-ID: <011601c3b856$23fedf70$0200a8c0@Two>
hi hi hiiiiiii keeeeep it spooky hi hihihihi hiiiiii! keep iiiiiiiiiiiiiiit spooooooooky
-Dave Schott (AdmiralDave) admdave@qis.net http://www.bangarangband.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Gelberg" <antony@antgel.co.uk> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:42 PM Subject: Re: Vocal melodies
> > >> Second, does James write his own vocal melodies and such to DT songs > > >>(or more accurately, does/has he always, sometimes or never...)? My friend > > >>recently asked me that and I was stumped. In other words, if James doesnt > > >>write that much lyrics anymore and the vocal melodies are essentially > > >>given to him, then what does he actually do? I hope he writes some of > > >>his own... > > Apparently Myung writes the vocal melodies, and basically sings them to > James so that he can get them right. > > T >
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:11:45 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Vocal melodies Message-ID: <001601c3b858$1b639610$9b00a8c0@mizz>
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Where did u hear this?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Antony Gelberg To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:42 PM Subject: Re: Vocal melodies
> >> Second, does James write his own vocal melodies and such to DT songs > >>(or more accurately, does/has he always, sometimes or never...)? My friend > >>recently asked me that and I was stumped. In other words, if James doesnt > >>write that much lyrics anymore and the vocal melodies are essentially > >>given to him, then what does he actually do? I hope he writes some of > >>his own...
Apparently Myung writes the vocal melodies, and basically sings them to James so that he can get them right.
T
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:17:52 +1100 From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Vocal melodies Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMOEENDCAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
I want to see a new show: "An Evening With John Myung and Marcel Marceau" :P
Niall
> -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Antony Gelberg > Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2003 8:43 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Vocal melodies > > Apparently Myung writes the vocal melodies, and basically sings them to > James so that he can get them right. > > T
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 00:45:49 +0000 From: Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Vocal melodies Message-ID: <20031202004549.GA807@brain.pulsesol.com>
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 02:23:16PM -0800, Mike Shetzer wrote: > > --Boundary_(ID_R6zH0cDwy/b82QXNU/ktaw) > Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > Where did u hear this??
It was a "joke". I thought I could get away without the smiley. :)
T
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:37:32 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Vocal melodies Message-ID: <002001c3b874$db3fe260$9b00a8c0@mizz>
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Ohhh.... "joke"... gotta look that up :S ----- Original Message ----- From: Antony Gelberg To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Vocal melodies
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 02:23:16PM -0800, Mike Shetzer wrote: > > --Boundary_(ID_R6zH0cDwy/b82QXNU/ktaw) > Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > Where did u hear this??
It was a "joke". I thought I could get away without the smiley. :)
T
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