YTSEJAM Digest 6476
Today's Topics:
1) OSI
by rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
2) RE: OSI
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
3) Re: OSI, the Dream Theater that could've been...
by MaxArbot@aol.com
4) Fates Warning
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
5) RE: Fates Warning
by "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
6) RE: Fates Yawning
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
7) Re: Fates Warning
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
8) RE: Fates Warning
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
9) Re: OSI, the Dream Theater that could've been...
by "Marcelo Muzilli" <mmuzilli@ig.com.br>
10) RE: Fates Yawning
by Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com>
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:18:14 -0800 (PST)
From: rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: OSI
Message-ID: <20030227211814.8423.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com>
Okay, here goes. I haven't listened to Fates Warning
or Cromakey. Having said that, I'm dissapointed with
OSI. It wasn't what I was expecting at all. The only
tracks I dig are shutDOWN and the opening track. This
disc makes me mourn Transatlantic even more(I wasn't
expecting OSI to sound like Transatlantic, I just love
Portnoy side projects and if OSI were to release
another disc, I won't get it). Pardon me for being
ignorant(ducks as the flames begin).
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:34:50 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: OSI
Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC2438B25B39@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
OSI sounds more along the lines of an extended Chromakey (Kevin Moore)
style. Many Dream Theater fans did not care for Kevin's solo work after
Dream Theater, myself included. And then again many do like that style.
To each their own.
For some reason, I liked OSI from the first listen. It's growing more on me
each spin. Maybe in the future you will listen to the CD again and like
it.. Music is funny like that..
JM
-----Original Message-----
From: rob denni [mailto:drummerdream@yahoo.com]
Okay, here goes. I haven't listened to Fates Warning
or Cromakey. Having said that, I'm dissapointed with
OSI. It wasn't what I was expecting at all. The only
tracks I dig are shutDOWN and the opening track. This
disc makes me mourn Transatlantic even more(I wasn't
expecting OSI to sound like Transatlantic, I just love
Portnoy side projects and if OSI were to release
another disc, I won't get it). Pardon me for being
ignorant(ducks as the flames begin).
===
Rob Denni
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:49:26 EST
From: MaxArbot@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: OSI, the Dream Theater that could've been...
Message-ID: <1cc.3de3e4d.2b8fe1e6@aol.com>
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The Doc astutely points out:
> I think what Spine is trying to say is that OSI is quite similar
> to a lot of the latter FW stuff.
Yes, I can read. Thanks for the clarification, nonetheless ;o)
[eriC]
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:33:16 -0600
Dave Peterson wrote:
>Um, I doubt it was a recommendation. By almost all accounts, "Disconnected" is
>IMHO, Disconnected is a steaming pile.
I will agree that as an album, Disconnected blows.. However, as a stand
Note to the Fates impaired:
Get off your ass and pickup EVERY Fates Warning's CD you can find!
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:55:25 -0500
From: "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Fates Warning
Message-ID: <EGEIJAKNLNKPLAHMKAIPCEKFDJAA.hrivera@crp.org>
>Disconnected needs to be in everyone's Fates collection.. Just like DT's
>FII, it's a little reminder that even the best can produce steaming piles.
Disconnected is the only FW disc I ever listen to regularly. Anything
pre-Perfect Symmetry is awful noise to my ears.
joe
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:32:41 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Fates Yawning
Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC2438B25B8E@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
Oh man. steaming piles, that was great. Early to mid Fates was greatness.
-----Original Message-----
From: HJ Rivera [mailto:hrivera@crp.org]
>Disconnected needs to be in everyone's Fates collection.. Just like DT's
>FII, it's a little reminder that even the best can produce steaming piles.
Disconnected is the only FW disc I ever listen to regularly. Anything
pre-Perfect Symmetry is awful noise to my ears.
joe
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:33:54 +0000 (UTC)
From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Fates Warning
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.33.0302280026320.14083-100000@norge.freeshell.org>
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Al @ Switchcraft wrote:
> I will agree that as an album, Disconnected blows.. However, as a stand
> alone song, "Still Remains" kicks ass!
I'm gonna' catch hell for this, but oh well..... I am not crazy about
Disconnected, but the only two songs of the 5 (i don't count the first and
last tracks, Disconnected Pt.1 & 2) that i don't really like are "So" &
"Pieces Of Me". i think "Still Remains" & "Something From Nothing" are
great, with "One" not being too shabby either. does it hold up to it's
predecessor, APSOG??? no, but those songs are still decent on their own.
they just surrounded them with a bunch of noise & crappy compositions that
take away from the 3 decent songs on the disc. but the half-hour of music
that is good holds it's own i think.
-eric
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:37:26 +0000 (UTC)
From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Fates Warning
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.33.0302280034100.14083-100000@norge.freeshell.org>
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, HJ Rivera wrote:
> Disconnected is the only FW disc I ever listen to regularly. Anything
> pre-Perfect Symmetry is awful noise to my ears.
>
joe, i'll jump on that bandwagon. to me, everything before Perfect
Symmetry sounds like an awful Iron Maiden/Judas Priest rip-off. granted,
Maiden isn't bad (have to be in the right mood), but Priest just annoys
the piss out of me. if i don't like them, i'm not gonna' like stuff that
sounds like them either, which means early Fates too.
-eric
--
"The least important things in life
get the most appreciation.
The most important things in life
don't seem to get enough."
-me
Proud "Trillian" user
http://www.ceruleanstudios.com
AIM screename: Ryften13
drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org (text-based email)
schnerck@hotmail.com -or-
peruvian@dreamtheater.zzn.com (HTML-based email)
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
Progressive Musician's Forum -
http://www0.org/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi#general
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:01:43 -0300
From: "Marcelo Muzilli" <mmuzilli@ig.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: OSI, the Dream Theater that could've been...
Message-ID: <000001c2dec5$00306390$030aa8c0@CRANIO>
> Um, I doubt it was a recommendation. By almost all accounts,
"Disconnected" is one of Fates' worst albums. Check out "A Pleasant
Shade of Grey" or "Parallels" for great modern Fates and ""No Exit" or
"Awaken the Guardian" for classic Fates.
> IMHO, Disconnected is a steaming pile.
Yeah Dave, I agree with you. But if you listen the first music in this
album, you can feel and remember a lot of pieces from FW in the old
albums, just like you said above.
I like the "Disconnected" album. I can compare the WTDADU and 6DOIT
albums from Dream Theater. The first is pure rock metal with a pieces of
progressive and the last is pure progressive.
Cheers,
Marcelo Muzilli
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 12:23:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE: Fates Yawning
Message-ID: <20030228202325.41998.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com>
Hmmm - lemme get this straight...
One person compares OSI to DT's FII and FW's Disconnected. Then someone else
compares Disconnected to DT's WDADU and 6DoIT.
A turd is a turd.
- Dave
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From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Fates Warning
Message-ID: <3E5E922C.6D861883@isd.net>
>one of Fates' worst albums. Check out "A Pleasant Shade of Grey" or
>"Parallels" for great modern Fates and ""No Exit" or "Awaken the Guardian" for
>classic Fates.
alone song, "Still Remains" kicks ass! APSOG, is, without a doubt, progressive
metal at it's best; Even the live version is killer. IMHO, the studio version
of "The Ivory Gate of Dreams" from "No Exit" is one of the best progressive
metal songs EVER written! It's hard to go wrong with ANY Fates album.
Disconnected needs to be in everyone's Fates collection.. Just like DT's
FII, it's a little reminder that even the best can produce steaming piles.
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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