YTSEJAM Digest 6428
Today's Topics:
1) Get your $20 back.
by "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com>
2) Re: Some comments / queries / thoughts...
by "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com>
3) Re: Zappa
by Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
4) Re: Some comments / queries / thoughts...
by "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com>
5) Re: Hold the phone
by Kurt Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
6) Re: Get your $20 back.
by John Stoneham <lyric@lyrically.net>
7) RE: Anybody know anything about these CD's? / Some comments / queries / thoughts...
by "Alexis Ramos" <Aramos@vivienda.gobierno.pr>
8) Re: Re: Some comments / queries / thoughts...
by A <Enfermo@rocketmail.com>
9) Re: Zappa
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
10) Re: Threshold
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
11) just in from Metal update
by Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
12) RE: just in from Metal update
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:21:24 -0800
From: "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com>
To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
Subject: Get your $20 back.
Message-ID: <011001c2b825$1122f6c0$f7a2eb0c@attbi.com>
If you bought ANY music CD
between 1995 & 2000, you are
part of a class action suit and will
get a check from $5 to $20.
Fill out the form at:
http://www.musiccdsettlement.com/english/default.htm
Here is the news story:
PAUL QUEARY
Associated Press
OLYMPIA, Wash. - Suppose someone was handing out $20 bills and almost
nobody
wanted one? That's roughly what's happening with a massive price-fixing
s
ettlement involving states and compact disc companies.
The deal calls for payments of as much as $20 for customers who bought
CDs
between 1995 and 2000. But so far, only a few people have signed up, and
officials fear the money will go begging.
In September, the five top U.S. distributors of compact discs and three
large
music retailers agreed to pay $143 million in cash and CDs to settle
allegations they cheated consumers by fixing prices.
The lawsuit alleged that the companies - upset with low prices charged
by
some stores - conspired with retailers to set music prices at a minimum
level, effectively raising the retail prices consumers paid for CDs.
Part of the settlement - about $44 million in cash - is earmarked to pay
customers from $5 to $20, depending on how many people wind up dividing
the
money.
By the end of December, only about 30,000 people nationwide had applied
for
a
piece of the pie, a tiny fraction of the number the settlement could
handle.
"The response thus far has been fairly abysmal," said Washington
Attorney
General Christine Gregoire, who's been on morning radio shows to promote
the
settlement.
Gregoire was among the attorneys general of 41 states and commonwealths
who
accused record companies of conspiring with music distributors to boost
the
prices of CDs between 1995 and 2000.
The companies settled rather than wage a costly legal battle.
The settlement's Web site has been up for a month, and legal notices
have
been published in TV Guide, Parade and other national magazines, but the
response rate has been very low, said Tina Kondo, a senior assistant
attorney
general in Gregoire's office.
"I guess people don't like to read legal notices," Kondo said.
Gregoire and other officials hope a radio advertising campaign set to
launch
soon will boost interest in the settlement.
Anyone who bought a CD, cassette tape or vinyl record at a retail store
between 1995 and 2000 is eligible. The application window closes March
3.
You don't even need a receipt to prove you bought CDs by Hole, Metallica
or
Shania Twain in 1998. Just click to the settlement's Web site, answer
three
questions and fill in your name and address. But don't try to recoup the
entire cost of your music collection - only one claim per customer.
While 41 states took on the music companies, consumers in all 50 states
are
eligible for the cash.
There is one catch. If more than about 8.8 million people apply, in
which
case the per-person share would drop below $5, the customer part of the
settlement is to be canceled because sending out such small checks would
be
too expensive.
Instead, the money will go to public entities and nonprofit
organizations in
each state to promote music programs. The settlement already calls for
those
organizations to receive 5.5 million CDs valued at $75.7 million.
The music distributors participating in the deal are Bertelsmann Music
Group,
EMI Music Distribution, Warner-Elektra-Atlantic Corp., Sony Music
Entertainment and Universal Music Group. Also included in the deal were
three
national retail chains: Trans World Entertainment, Tower Records and
Musicland Stores, a division of Best Buy Co. Inc.
ON THE NET:
Settlement details, http://www.musiccdsettlement.com
<http://www.musiccdsettlement.com>
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:31:52 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Some comments / queries / thoughts...
Message-ID: <20030109213152.14986.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com>
Luuuuuuke!
Long time, no type. My bad. I hope you had a great
rest of your time in W|rzburg.
>5. Threshold's new one, Critical Mass is fairly
>average. Some great moments again, but overall it's
>nothing significant.
>...What are Hypothetical and Clone like? Is Wounded
>Land worth checking out?
I agree with you on Critical Mass. It really didn't
seem to rise above the rest at all. Big
disappointment for me, after Hypothetical. As you can
imagine, I am now going to heartily recommend this
disc. It was tops for 2001 (that was the year it was
released, right?) IMO. Absolutely killer. On CM they
kind of took that same sound, but without the
energy... sad. I love Mac's voice though, and they
put on a great show live. They won over quite a few
new fans at ProgPower. Wounded Land is okay, I've
just never really gotten into it as much as Extinct
Instinct or Hypothetical. I do like Damian Wilson on
Star One, but for some reason I don't like most of his
singing with Threshold - most, but not all.
>6. Is the new Meshuggah any good?
Ugh. Noise, noise noise!!!
Then again, I'm a biased source, having been unable to
actually listen to a full song by these guys. Not for
me.
>7. Are there better digest mode mailing lists other
>than Ytsejam? (excluding TEOF)
Teof ROCKS!
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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 15:36:58 -0600
From: Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Zappa
Message-ID: <3E1DEB7A.8609DA7A@earthlink.net>
Must've missed this one when it came through the first time. Anyway...
> had some really cool rock organ stuff in it. Any suggestions would be
> appreciated! Note though, that this is different than asking what your
> FAVORITE Zappa is ;-)
Try "Eat That Question" from the "Grand Wazoo" album. Although it's
Fender Rhodes, not organ, George Duke is one funky man :)
Mark
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:39:39 -0800
From: "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Some comments / queries / thoughts...
Message-ID: <014f01c2b827$9d0ceae0$f7a2eb0c@attbi.com>
>Anybody know anything about these CD's?
>All Too Human Entropy
I bought it hoping it would be better than their debut cd, but it
wasn't.
I would buy something else.
>2. Is Power Of The Dragon Flame any good20
It's good if you like Rhapsody. Also if you like their genre,
check out either of Dragonland's cds.
>Are any of Luca Turilli's or Alex Staropoli's solo ablums worth picking
up?
Luca's are, haven't heard of Alex's.
>3. Is it just me, or is Porcupine Tree's new album In Absentia
absolutely
>fucking AWESOME!20
Not just you. I finally got to see them live. Excellant show, heavier
than
they seem on cd, or maybe that was because it was so LOUD. or I'm too
old.
>I think I read somewhere that Steve Wilson was hanging with the guys
>from Opeth, maybe that explains it.
Actually produced their latest two cds. Still haven't checked them out
despite
mass peer pressure from the 'jam....
>4. Did anyone enjoy Enchant's new one, Blink Of An Eye20
Yes, thought they were back to form, J9oD10 was kind of bland.
Also they are not that great live.
>5. Threshold
IMO they have never put out a bad album.
Trevor
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 21:50:22 GMT
From: Kurt Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Hold the phone
Message-ID: <20030109.165025.2439.517952@webmail10.nyc.untd.com>
Threshold had another singer?
I saw em at PP 3.0 and freakin loved em. Can someone breakdown their discs singer by singer? I like Critical Mass a ton. HAHA.
Kurt
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:11:16 -0500 (EST)
From: John Stoneham <lyric@lyrically.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Get your $20 back.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0301091706370.9802-100000@centaur.acm.jhu.edu>
> Fill out the form at:
> http://www.musiccdsettlement.com/english/default.htm
>
> Part of the settlement - about $44 million in cash - is earmarked to
> pay customers from $5 to $20, depending on how many people wind up
> dividing the money.
Just in case some of you, like me, were thinking 'Hey, why don't I use
that $20 to go out and buy the new Porcupine Tree CD' or something
similar, may I suggest that instead of giving the money right back to the
organization that extorted it from you in the first place, you give the
money to an organization that can help prevent this kind of conspiracy in
the future as well as fight the other loads of anticonsumer nonsense the
RIAA and MPAA have been strongarming into law in the last few years.
My settlement's going to the EFF, but does anyone know of other
organizations also engaged in fighting the same battles?
- John
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:09:36 -0400
From: "Alexis Ramos" <Aramos@vivienda.gobierno.pr>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Anybody know anything about these CD's? / Some comments / queries / thoughts...
Message-ID: <757DAAB5CD7E934CBF86345BF0CD5DF755AAF2@mailserver.vivienda.local>
> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:10:25 -0800
> From: Thor <thor@thorbazler.com>
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: Anybody know anything about these CD's?
> Message-ID: <BA41D3C1.880D%thor@thorbazler.com>
>
> Anybody know anything about these CD's?
>
> Band: CD:
> All That I Bleed Dying To Remember
All That I Bleed is a prog band from Puerto Rico, and this is their debut cd. It is a very good cd, highly recommended. Their sound is somewhat reminiscent of Fates Warning duiring their No Exit / Perfect Symmetry era, mixed in mith some fusion elements. Excellent musicianship and very good vocals. You can check out some of their songs on their website www.allthatibleed.com
>
>
>
> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 15:03:28 +1000
> From: Luke Bateup <lbateup@staff.bond.edu.au>
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: Some comments / queries / thoughts...
> Message-ID: <000301c2b79c$7294f0e0$3917f483@staff.ad.bond.edu.au>
>
> Hello,
>
> 1. I bought Devin Townsend's new one, Terria. It's the first
> album by Devin
> I've bought and I fucking love it, especially Mountain, Earth
> Day, Canada,
> The Fluke and Stagnant. The next album I should by is Ocean
> Machine, right?
> What are Physicist and Infinity like? I like the idea of the
> brass section
> and other instrumentation on Infinity.
Definitely get Infinity as well. It's an awesome album, very emotional and experimental. Physicist is very good as well, although it's a lot heavier than the others and inclines more towards his screaming side rather than the singing one. It's still a great album, though.
>
> 2. Rhapsody's Legendary Tales was great, Symphony of
> Enchanted Lands was
> awesome. Dawn Of Victory and Rain Of A Thousand Flames
> however, were rather
> dissapointing. Is Power Of The Dragon Flame any good?
> Considering that I
> love the more progressive songs with the epic, sweeping
> orchestral moments,
> over the straight ahead melodic, speed metal sections. Are any of Luca
> Turilli's or Alex Staropoli's solo ablums worth picking up?
>
Power of the Dragon Flame is a great album. You should definitely get it. I don't hear much difference in their sound throughout the albums, so I don't know with which others of their albums I would group it. Luca Turilli's two solo albums are must buys as well if you're into Rhapsody's style. Just as good as Rhapsody, and very similar in style to Rhapsody.
> 6. Is the new Meshuggah any good? I have Contradictions
> Collapse/None, but I
> was hesitant to pick up Chaosphere as I've heard it's far too
> technical and
> inaccessible. Any other good Meshuggah discs?
Don't know much about Meshuggah, but what I have heard has sounded pretty boring to me. BUT, I do have their guitarist's solo album, Fredrick Thordendal's Special Defects, and it kicks ass. It's wackier than Meshuggah and incorporates a lot of jazz fusion stuff in the music. You shoould definitely check it out.
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:22:10 -0600 (CST)
From: A <Enfermo@rocketmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Re: Some comments / queries / thoughts...
Message-ID: <20030110022210.28191.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>
From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Some comments / queries / thoughts...
The new one in general has slightly more groove than Chaosphere with
the highlight
to me being Nothing... but Chaosphere is just noise... too much
science
and not
enough music...
-The Doc
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I, on the other hand, consider "Chaosphere" to be the best extreme
music release of the last decade. The absolute high point of
heaviness. Laced with solo guitar inspired by Allan Holdsworth, the
complexity of this album, most of which you will not even notice
until after repeating listening, beggars belief. I must've listened
to this a hundred times, and I still only "get" selected fragments of
songs. The rhythms are so complex as to be in the category of Zappa's
"Black Page" all over the album. Curiously, most metal fans do not
seem to be able to really appreciate this album. Most metal fans say
that it is dull and monotonic. On the surface, that may even be true,
because this album is at the same level of brutality throughout -
there isn't a moment of release, it's all just plodding riffs and
rhythms that are seemingly variations of 4/4. However, closer
listening reveals that there are mostly 2, 3, or 4 rhythms going on
at the same time, with only one of them keeping a straight 4/4, while
for example the guitars are in 5/4 and the drums are in 6/4 *at the
same time*. I don't know much about music theory, but I do know that
this album is a veritable catalogue of rhythmic weirdness.
AVG
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 23:41:35 -0500
From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Zappa
Message-ID: <000801c2b862$8fa116c0$0808f3d8@c>
Seriously, Stink Foot is from "Apostrphe(')," which also has Don't Eat the
Yellow Snow (which was actually a commercial success at the time) and Cosmic
Debris. That album is loaded with incredible musicians playing unbelievable
stuff in addition to the humorous lyrics. Musicians include Jack Bruce,
Jean-Luc Ponty, Aynsley Dunbar, George Duke and Ruth and Ian Underwood!
"Hot Rats" would be another good one for a more progressive effort,
including "Peaches en Regalia" and some long tracks with more of Frank's
guitar work.
"Jazz From Hell" is just plain SICK!
"Tinsel Town Rebellion" is mostly live and has Steve Vai on it 'nuff said!
I'd forgotten how many albums he had! If you go to Rykodisc.com you can
order the intire 61 CD catalog for a mere $950! Yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!
:-P
I'm still saving my pennies! ;-)
I-Man
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Kaplan
>
> I've been told (and even heard some myself) that there exists some Frank
> Zappa material that is very progessive and shares some of the elements
> present in the music we all enjoy so much. Might anybody be able to
> recommend some that I could check out? I remember hearing a piece once
that
> had some really cool rock organ stuff in it. Any suggestions would be
> appreciated! Note though, that this is different than asking what your
> FAVORITE Zappa is ;-) I imagine were I to do that, I get pointed to the
> "corn hole" song.. This time around I'm looking for the more progressive
> stuff he's done. Thanks all!!
>
> Michael
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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 07:58:06 -0500
From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Threshold
Message-ID: <F102wWzYTkhOJnsVT7n00007290@hotmail.com>
My .03 (inflation) on one of my favorite bands...and their 3 singers...
Mac is great and all 3 albums that he appears on are amazing, Hypothetical,
Clone and the aforementioned Critical Mass. Damian Wilson was on 2
releases (not successive however): Wounded Land and Extinct Instinct.
Wounded Land is a classic, while Extinct Instinct is my least favorite
Threshold album, boarding on weak! In between those 2 releases, they put
out my favorite Threshold album called Psychedelicatessen (along with a live
EP) with my favorite singer Glynn Morgan. InsideOut released these 2
together recently as a double CD. This was the CD that got me into them way
back in 1994! Buy this one for sure! Hope that helped.
Rob
>From: Kurt Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
>Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: Re: Hold the phone
>Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:13:11 -0800 (PST)
>
>Threshold had another singer?
>
>I saw em at PP 3.0 and freakin loved em. Can someone breakdown their discs
>singer by singer? I like Critical Mass a ton. HAHA.
>
>
>Kurt
>
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:11:23 -0600
From: Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: just in from Metal update
Message-ID: <BA44850B.3985%mnazer@pressenter.com>
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> -- NEWS --
>
>
> JOHN ARCH
> legendary Fates Warning vocalist John Arch has signed a deal with Metal
> Blade Records he is currently working on an EP on which he will be
> backed by Jim Matheos (g), Joey Vera (b) and Mike Portnoy (d)
another side project, I can't wait!!!
Pam
"Hi"
John Myung, 8/23/1998
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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:55:55 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: just in from Metal update
Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC2438811C40@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
Just saw that myself, and I hope Mike is doing much better !!
JM
"I'm feeling kinda spooky" - John Myung
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael & Pamela Nazer [mailto:mnazer@pressenter.com]
> ------- METAL UPDATE -------
> -- NEWS --
>
> JOHN ARCH
> legendary Fates Warning vocalist John Arch has signed a deal with Metal
> Blade Records he is currently working on an EP on which he will be
> backed by Jim Matheos (g), Joey Vera (b) and Mike Portnoy (d)
another side project, I can't wait!!!
Pam
"Hi"
John Myung, 8/23/1998
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