YTSEJAM Digest 6434
Today's Topics:
1) RE: DTIFC CD?
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
2) RE: Iced Earth / Spawn
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
3) Re:Iced Earth/Spawn
by "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
4) Fan Club CD
by "Dan Russell" <drussell@umtownship.org>
5) Re: Re[4]: Opeth Damnation
by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
6) Membership
by "Jason L. Gelnett" <jgelnett@comcast.net>
7) RE: Membership
by "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
8) Disappear
by "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk>
9) Re: Growl Vox
by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
10) Re: Blind vs. deaf
by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
11) Re: Disappear
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
12) Re: Re[4]: Opeth Damnation
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
13) Re: Re[4]: Opeth Damnation
by Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
14) Re[6]: Opeth Damnation
by Graham Boyle <dream@theater.fsnet.co.uk>
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 07:22:23 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: DTIFC CD?
Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC24388120C1@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
Yep. Not a bad way to spend 25 dollars, eh? Good stuff.
It's nice for newer fans to get their hands on some rare tracks, such as
version ONE of ACOS with Kevin on keys.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mariano Gil [mailto:marianogil@eresmas.com]
Chad, I've just received it!!! Really cool!! This is the first fanzine I
get and I'm impressed, lots of photos from the tour, really good quality
and an incredibly good CD.
I'm glad I finally joined the DTIFC!
NP: TAKE THE TIME!!
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 07:24:23 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Iced Earth / Spawn
Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC24388120C4@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
Just a personal opinion here, but Spawn was one of only two movies I have
ever walked out of at the theater. I think the other movie was "dark city"
or something there abouts. Mileage will vary!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Peterson [mailto:razortag@yahoo.com]
Quick question of opinion...
The Iced Earth Album, "The Dark Saga" (1996) is a stunning musical and
lyrical
tribute to the story of "Spawn" of comic-book and movie fame. It's a really
cool, dark tale actually and the album compliments the movie nicely.
Now given that, should I decide to have a friend of mine enjoy a "Spawn"
night
with me, should the album come before or after the movie?
Any opinions are welcome!
- Dave
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:51:29 -0600
From: "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re:Iced Earth/Spawn
Message-ID: <000b01c2bd6e$c3f10500$9d2227d1@newcombr.netdot.com>
Dave wrote:
>Quick question of opinion...
>The Iced Earth Album, "The Dark Saga" (1996) is a stunning >musical and
lyrical
>tribute to the story of "Spawn" of comic-book and movie fame. It's a
>really
>cool, dark tale actually and the album compliments the movie nicely.
>Now given that, should I decide to have a friend of mine enjoy a
>"Spawn" night
>with me, should the album come before or after the movie?
>Any opinions are welcome!
>- Dave
Dave,
I would drive by your local comic book store and pick up a trade
paperback on Spawn first. Or rent the HBO cartoon first to watch. I
think that this would be a far better intro for a "Spawn Night"
The movie they made of it is absolutely horrible. Don't waste your
money.
As for the Iced Earth album , "The Dark Saga", I wouldn't let that be
the introduction into Spawn. It seems to hang people up on the Satanic
thing IMHO.
Thorin
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:27:40 -0500
From: "Dan Russell" <drussell@umtownship.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Fan Club CD
Message-ID: <000001c2bd73$cfae71c0$88c809c0@fast.net>
gang,
I forgot to renew!!!! Is it to late to still renew and receive the cd? I
have been a member since the clubs beginning. Please if anyone knows please
let me know. Thanks.
Dan
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:04:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Re[4]: Opeth Damnation
Message-ID: <20030116180429.9187.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Graham Boyle <dream@theater.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Well obviously you are ignorant, as you keep using the
> ridiculous
> 'cookie monster' term for this genre of music.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
Can someone name other bands whose vocals sound like that? I
still can't figure out what everyone means by "cookie monster
vocals".
- Ilia.
====
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--- Wernher Von Braun
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:59:21 -0500
From: "Jason L. Gelnett" <jgelnett@comcast.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Membership
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030116135714.00bc05a8@mail.comcast.net>
How do I know if my membership for the fan club has run out. I can't
remember when I joined, and I don't want to miss out on the CD. Anyway,
any idea as to who I should ask, or how to check??
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:21:16 -0500
From: "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Membership
Message-ID: <EGEIJAKNLNKPLAHMKAIPKEIODHAA.hrivera@crp.org>
Email dtifc@yahoo.com
-----Original Message-----
From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of
Jason L. Gelnett
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:00 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Membership
How do I know if my membership for the fan club has run out. I can't
remember when I joined, and I don't want to miss out on the CD. Anyway,
any idea as to who I should ask, or how to check??
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:26:43 -0000
From: "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Disappear
Message-ID: <002f01c2bd95$35b64670$6300a8c0@PULSEDESKTOP>
Does anyone else think this somg is absolutely brilliant? The layers, and
singing, everything is so emotional. I know it gets slated a lot, just
wondering if anyone out there has any taste. ;-)
Tony
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:27:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Growl Vox
Message-ID: <20030116202736.24334.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com>
Bel canto voice training allows singing and growling without any
risk of damage to vocal chords. Absolutely anyone can be
trained to do either, using that technique - fact of human
anatomy. People like LaBrie, Tate, et al, do not, at least not
100% so, and not 100% of the time - they mainly rely on the
flexibility of the muscles in their throat, and perform
exercises to improve that (Eric, correct me if I'm off on this).
I have yet to hear Opeth, but I know there are a few death
metal bands out there who have had proper classical training
(bel canto, in the tradition of Bach, Mozart, etc).
Then again, properly using register cavities for voice
projection (without risk of damage), requires tuning all
instruments to middle C at 256 (A=432). I think that makes
"standard" Eb tuning too low, and E tuning to high.
- Ilia.
--- Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
>
> i don't know how many people on the jam have taken quite a few
> years to
> study voice, but being one of them, i'll add my bit. the
> growling vocals.
> an acquired taste?? yes. not everyone can do them?? true.
> takes a
> certain ammount of know-how to pull them off?? absolutely.
> takes the
> same ammount of talent, training, and finesse as James Labrie,
> Geoff Tate,
> Jon Anderson, Steve Perry, or even David Coverdale?? not even
> close.
> i've spent a lot of time within both genres (clean vox &
> growling vox),
> and from an unbiased musician who's studied voice & singing,
> one of the
> most important aspects of "cookie monster" (for you graham) is
> an
> endorsement from Ludens, Sucrets, or some other cough drops
> manufacturer.
> the essentials of clean singing (i.e.- inflection, phrasing,
> pitch,
> timbre) are just not in the picture here. you need to worry
> about not
> passing out & not shredding your vocal cords. that's about
> it. but to
> sing like the other aforementioned vocalist requires LOTS of
> formal
> training, unless you were born with a rare gift. does that
> discredit the
> validity of growling vocals?? hell no. but should they be
> placed in even
> the same ballpark when it comes to the level of talent between
> the two
> styles?? again, hell no. that's my bit. adios.
>
> eric
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:50:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Blind vs. deaf
Message-ID: <20030116205001.39764.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com>
Can our power of human reason allow us to continue with eyesight
lost, in a similar fashion as we have in the past? I know that
people who can't see from birth or shortly after get on
amazingly well, but what about losing sight in mid-life? And
how it comes is a question too, whether gradually or
immediately. That's probably a factor too.
Saw this great movie, Dancer In The Dark, highly recommended.
This whole debate kinda makes me wonder what it's like to be
Jason Becker. Seeing and hearing, yes... but not anything else.
Best way to get to know oneself, that's for sure.
- Ilia.
--- "Alexis, Axel, Tony" <alexis1@prtc.net> wrote:
> I think the whole blind vs. deaf debate is all a matter of
> what your
> priorities are in life. I mean, the things I can only do by
> having the
> sense of vision are certainly more important for me than the
> things I can
> only do if I can hear. It's all a matter of putting things on
> a balance and
> seeing what the end result would be. Oh, and Damon, when I
> said that I need
> my vision to surf, I meant practicing the sport of surfing, on
> waves in the
> ocean. I wasn't referring to surfing the web. Sorry about
> that. Bye!
>
> Alexis
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:16:47 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Disappear
Message-ID: <004201c2bdb5$57b95850$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>
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I have taste! I swear!
However, I found that disappear was (flame wars will begin here probably) Jordan's way of trying to sound like Kevin. While I think he made a great song, the song doesn't sound like Jordan...
I agree that the emotional level is very high on that song. It has such a sad melody, and one of the best little bridge parts ever (the "I gave you my hand, said it's okay..." part) =)
----- Original Message -----
From: Antony Gelberg
To: Multiple recipients of list
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:37 PM
Subject: Disappear
Does anyone else think this somg is absolutely brilliant? The layers, and
singing, everything is so emotional. I know it gets slated a lot, just
wondering if anyone out there has any taste. ;-)
Tony
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:19:34 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Re[4]: Opeth Damnation
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Darnit... listen to some Opeth tracks to cure your curiosity instead of looking to us for answers. :)
On another note, what's an Opeth anyway? Besides trying to say "opus" when you're less than 6 years old, that is...
----- Original Message -----
From: Ilia
To: Multiple recipients of list
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: Re[4]: Opeth Damnation
--- Graham Boyle <dream@theater.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Well obviously you are ignorant, as you keep using the
> ridiculous
> 'cookie monster' term for this genre of music.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
Can someone name other bands whose vocals sound like that? I
still can't figure out what everyone means by "cookie monster
vocals".
- Ilia.
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:01:33 -0600
From: Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Re[4]: Opeth Damnation
Message-ID: <BA4CA3FD.39D4%mnazer@pressenter.com>
on 1/16/03 11:59 AM, Ilia at painlessscream@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Can someone name other bands whose vocals sound like that? I
> still can't figure out what everyone means by "cookie monster
> vocals".
>
> - Ilia.
>
>
> ===
> Always use the word impossible with the greatest caution.
> --- Wernher Von Braun
>
Early The Gathering would be a good example.....the disc Always has almost
all Cookie Monster vocals on it.
Pam
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:00:15 +0000
From: Graham Boyle <dream@theater.fsnet.co.uk>
To: Mike Shetzer <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re[6]: Opeth Damnation
Message-ID: <701646375.20030117070015@theater.fsnet.co.uk>
MS> Can someone name other bands whose vocals sound like that? I
MS> still can't figure out what everyone means by "cookie monster
MS> vocals".
There is no such thing as cookie monster vocals.
When I asked Jan-Michael Souter to name the band(s) that he claims had a singer who
sung like this he didn't answer, so obviously he dosen't have one.
The type of vocals used in extreme metal are most commonly know as
'growling', or in black metal, 'shrieking', or even 'screaming' in some
bands.
Try doing it yourself, it isn't that easy.
-- Best regards, Graham mailto:dream@theater.fsnet.co.uk------------------------------
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