YTSEJAM Digest 6606
Today's Topics:
1) Re: DT/QR shows - busy?
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
2) RE: ear ringing
by WB Henderson <LycanthropicEye@comcast.net>
3) Re: Subject: ear ringing and loud concerts
by Andrew Coutermarsh <andrew@acvox.com>
4) Re: DT/QR shows - busy?
by "Chris" <ccooney@comcast.net>
5) Re: Subject: ear ringing and loud concerts
by "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:03:11 -0400
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: DT/QR shows - busy?
Message-ID: <001201c352f0$28cd55c0$9b00a8c0@mike>
I was concentrating on the bands and I think everyone else was too. The
great thing about some of these prog shows is watching the people who can't
crowdsurf, they're too busy being awed by incredible musicians that their
jaws on the floor prevent them from moshing :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 1:46 PM
Subject: RE: DT/QR shows - busy?
> Wow... I bet that was slippery as shit !!! lol
>
> jm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Shetzer [mailto:echo26@videotron.ca]
>
> The DT/QR/FW opening with I Mother Earth show I saw on July 5th in
Montreal
> was in an old hockey arena and held about 8000 people, plus the crowd on
the
> floor.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:17:21 -0400
From: WB Henderson <LycanthropicEye@comcast.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE: ear ringing
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20030725170911.00aac5b0@mail.comcast.net>
>I thought the peak of the audio quality during the Holmdel NJ show was
>during QR's "Take Hold of the Flame," which they played about 1/2=way
>through their set. That had good volume and good clarity. From there, the AE
>proceeded to push the system into distorting.
I went to see Maiden/Dio/Motorhead the other night. Motorhead's sound was
great for about the first three songs. Then somebody at the board must've
realized they weren't distorting things nearly enough - in literally
seconds, the volume practically doubled. Butcher-block soundboarding right
there! The concert only got louder as the night wore on, though the other
increases were the usual, gradual ones.
Good show, anyhow, even if Maiden did only play for 80 minutes. (To note:
no pyrotechnics this time around, thanks, no doubt, to Great White.)
Brian
[NP...Bloodbath - Resurrection Through Carnage]
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WB Henderson [LycanthropicEye@comcast.net]
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:22:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <andrew@acvox.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Subject: ear ringing and loud concerts
Message-ID: <20030725171627.B70222@samurai.ruin.org>
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, James wrote:
> Sometimes the main reason that a concert is loud is the size of the
> venue. You have to get the sound to the "nosebleed" cheap seats, but in
> doing so the people under the stacks sometimes get blasted.
So the way to fix that would be to have several sets of cabs, spaced back
through the house. We did that in my college's theater, placing an extra
horn hanging above the audience in the mezzanine/loge area. It takes a
little more work to get the sound good, but once you figure out the
distance and amount you'd have to set the delay (if you don't add a delay
for sound sources that are further away from the stage, you'll get a
slapback echo), it becomes quite easy and can really make sound levels
equalize.
> If you want to see how thingsa really sound, stand near the FOH(Front Of
> House, the sounboard) position. If its loud, shrill, or distorted there,
> then the soundman is either losing his high end hearing and doesnt
> realize how it sounds, or, they just arent good at their job.
I agree, although when I saw DT in Columbus, OH, the sound men were way at
the back of the lawn, which I thought was just stupid.
> I urge anyone that goes to a loud concert on a regular basis to wear
> earplugs...and for God's sake, if you take young children, PLEASE make
> them wear ear plugs! Young ears are very easily damaged by loud sound.
Definitely.
Interestingly enough, my ears ring all the time. For a long time I
thought it was because my ears had been damaged by loud music, but since
then I've realized something. I read once that if you were to go into an
anechoic chamber (a completely dead room), you'd hear the sound of two
things. The first would be a low, rhythmic sound, and that would be the
sound of the blood rushing through your ears. The second sound would be a
very high-pitched sound: your central nervous system's synapses firing. I
realized that since I have very good hearing (I hear better than probably
anybody I know, which surprised me when I realized that because everybody
in my family thought I was half deaf), that must be what I hear
constantly, because the sound doesn't actually affect my hearing; it just
kind of sits above it. I always wondered if there was a way to test that,
though.
It's strange, though... When I sleep I have to have a fan running,
something to drown out that high-pitched ring, or else it drives me
insane. I can't ever have pure silence around me, because it's never
SILENT. I always wondered what absolute silence would sound like to me...
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Andrew Coutermarsh - http://www.acvox.com/
Email Address: andrew at acvox dot com
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Sometimes, when I would read a very good book,
I would stop and thank my teacher. At least, I
used to, until she got an unlisted number.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:20:37 -0400
From: "Chris" <ccooney@comcast.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: DT/QR shows - busy?
Message-ID: <021c01c3531c$80b45f00$4ca85444@shlb1201.mi.comcast.net>
> I was concentrating on the bands and I think everyone else was too. The
> great thing about some of these prog shows is watching the people who
can't
> crowdsurf, they're too busy being awed by incredible musicians that their
> jaws on the floor prevent them from moshing :)
Not only that, but I doubt anyone had the energy to mosh! That place
should be renamed Hell. I love summer and I love the heat, but the place
was ridiculous. I drank water between sets but stayed on the floor for the
bands, and I felt like I was going to pass out by the end of the night. The
crowd was incredible though. By the time we'd checked into our hotel and
then had dinner, it was around 6 when got there, and the line was around the
building, across the parking lot, and quite far along the grass.
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:25:23 -0500
From: "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Subject: ear ringing and loud concerts
Message-ID: <003801c3538a$22148bf0$0a01a8c0@progwrx>
I know what you mean, I usually have trouble sitting inside a closed, turned
off car because of that. I usually try to turn ON the car before closing the
door because if i dont have some sound inside the cabin it drives me NUTS.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Coutermarsh" <andrew@acvox.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: Subject: ear ringing and loud concerts
>
> It's strange, though... When I sleep I have to have a fan running,
> something to drown out that high-pitched ring, or else it drives me
> insane. I can't ever have pure silence around me, because it's never
> SILENT. I always wondered what absolute silence would sound like to me...
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