YTSEJAM Digest 6705
Today's Topics:
1) RE: bagpipes
by "Ilia" <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
2) lyrics, and the making of wool.
by Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
3) RE: ToT again
by DTimagesandwords@aol.com
4) Re: lyrics, and the making of wool.
by "Dave Schott" <admdave@qis.net>
5) Re: lyrics, and the making of wool.
by "Kez" <bkeyser@cox.net>
6) Re: lyrics, and the making of wool.
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
7) RE: My impressions
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
8) seattle ppfest/heir apparent/ToT
by "Trevor Hoit" <trevorhoit@comcast.net>
9) Re: My impressions
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
10) RE: My impressions
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
11) Re: Play order not arriving
by "Douglas Gray" <douglas_gray@hotmail.com>
12) TOT
by "Raby, Scott A" <scott.a.raby@boeing.com>
13) Re: Play order not arriving
by Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
14) Re: TOT
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
15) Re: ToT again
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
16) Re: TOT
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
17) Re: TOT
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
18) Re: ToT again
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
19) Re: ToT again
by Andrew Coutermarsh <andrew@acvox.com>
20) Re: ToT again
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
21) RE: TOT
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
22) RE: TOT
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
23) Re: TOT
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:03:43 -0500
From: "Ilia" <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: bagpipes
Message-ID: <LJEJLFCHDEEHAGCHOFPHIENLCAAA.painlessscream@yahoo.com>
Eruption.
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:49:22 -0500
From: "Philip J. Kaplan" <pk@pkinteractive.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Off Topic - Off the crackpipe, on the bagpipe
Hi Everyone,
Thought most of you would appreciate this video:
http://www.johnnybagpipes.com/video.kidz.html
Prize goes to the first person who can name what song he's playing at
the beginning... Hint: it's part of the guitar solo from one of the best
metal songs ever.
- Pud
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:04:57 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: lyrics, and the making of wool.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0311122102100.26438-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
> listened to ToT twice now and am not willing to give my complete
> opinion, other than In the Name of God ROCKS!!
In the Name of God exemplifies why DT has become a lumbering, ugly parody.
The music? Same old, with the only differences from the generic DT sound
(as opposed to the OLD dt sound that had some surprises) being blatant
ripoffs of other bands.
The lyrics? The worst I've seen in a long time from any band whose name
doesn't start with "War" and end with "rant". Seriously. Anyone who has
ever read a poem or three pages of a book or a good Calvin and Hobbes
strip should realize that this is just terribly pedestrian, unoriginal,
uneloquent SHIT. In the Name of God sounds *exactly* like the stuff that
used to get submitted as poetry to the 9th grade lit journal. Exactly.
It's so awful I'm embarassed for Petrucci. He used to have some
creativity. Maybe he still does, and Portnoy just won't let him show it.
> The people who are now ripping DT on ToT because they went in a
> different direction, would probably still rip the band if they went back
> and sounded the same as the I&W days.
Some would, some wouldn't. You have no way of knowing, and your statement
is worthless speculative shit.
> CD would be stale and boring. I am a huge Dream Theater fan no matter
> what music or direction they choose.
That's called being a fucking sheep.
Baaaaa, baaaaaa. Have a great day! Baaaaaaaaaaa!
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:13:49 EST
From: DTimagesandwords@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE: ToT again
Message-ID: <151.26be26ba.2ce450ed@aol.com>
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>> Tim, I don't mind trying different things.=A0 Trust me
>> there!=A0 The problem is that most of these songs
>> aren't that good when you compare them to the rest
>> of DT's catalog.=A0 Why is thatA0 Lack of directionA0
>> Too much chaosA0 I really don't know.=A0
I vote for spreading themselves too thin. Too many side projects, life
distractions, etc. Someone said that this was written in three weeks ?? 'n
uff
said ......
Regards,
Name With Held
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:18:08 -0500
From: "Dave Schott" <admdave@qis.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: lyrics, and the making of wool.
Message-ID: <015201c3a994$c2d6b210$0200a8c0@Two>
And that's called being a fucking asshole... lighten up dude. If he doesn't
agree with you how does that make your life miserable? Who cares if he likes
Dream Theater. As for the lyrics if you don't like it make your own band and
write your own lyrics.
-Dave Schott (AdmiralDave)
admdave@qis.net
http://www.bangarangband.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Hayden" <bhayden@umn.edu>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:54 PM
Subject: lyrics, and the making of wool.
> > listened to ToT twice now and am not willing to give my complete
> > opinion, other than In the Name of God ROCKS!!
>
> In the Name of God exemplifies why DT has become a lumbering, ugly parody.
>
> The music? Same old, with the only differences from the generic DT sound
> (as opposed to the OLD dt sound that had some surprises) being blatant
> ripoffs of other bands.
>
> The lyrics? The worst I've seen in a long time from any band whose name
> doesn't start with "War" and end with "rant". Seriously. Anyone who has
> ever read a poem or three pages of a book or a good Calvin and Hobbes
> strip should realize that this is just terribly pedestrian, unoriginal,
> uneloquent SHIT. In the Name of God sounds *exactly* like the stuff that
> used to get submitted as poetry to the 9th grade lit journal. Exactly.
> It's so awful I'm embarassed for Petrucci. He used to have some
> creativity. Maybe he still does, and Portnoy just won't let him show it.
>
> > The people who are now ripping DT on ToT because they went in a
> > different direction, would probably still rip the band if they went back
> > and sounded the same as the I&W days.
>
> Some would, some wouldn't. You have no way of knowing, and your statement
> is worthless speculative shit.
>
> > CD would be stale and boring. I am a huge Dream Theater fan no matter
> > what music or direction they choose.
>
> That's called being a fucking sheep.
>
> Baaaaa, baaaaaa. Have a great day! Baaaaaaaaaaa!
>
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:45:03 -0500
From: "Kez" <bkeyser@cox.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: lyrics, and the making of wool.
Message-ID: <00be01c3a998$8586c130$6401a8c0@amdathlon14>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Hayden" <bhayden@umn.edu>
<snip>
>
> That's called being a fucking sheep.
>
> Baaaaa, baaaaaa. Have a great day! Baaaaaaaaaaa!
>
Some things just never change..........hehe
Hi there, Mr. Hayden. Still haven't gotten over yourself, huh?
Wow.
Baaaaaaa, indeed.
Kez, just checking out the "bonus" material
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:45:00 -0500
From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: lyrics, and the making of wool.
Message-ID: <Law15-F3WrZ3YAbek2l000017e9@hotmail.com>
Here, here! Brian you are my hero. Seriously! I laughed my ass off.
Rob
>From: Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
>Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: lyrics, and the making of wool.
>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:54:56 -0800 (PST)
>
> > listened to ToT twice now and am not willing to give my complete
> > opinion, other than In the Name of God ROCKS!!
>
>In the Name of God exemplifies why DT has become a lumbering, ugly parody.
>
>The music? Same old, with the only differences from the generic DT sound
>(as opposed to the OLD dt sound that had some surprises) being blatant
>ripoffs of other bands.
>
>The lyrics? The worst I've seen in a long time from any band whose name
>doesn't start with "War" and end with "rant". Seriously. Anyone who has
>ever read a poem or three pages of a book or a good Calvin and Hobbes
>strip should realize that this is just terribly pedestrian, unoriginal,
>uneloquent SHIT. In the Name of God sounds *exactly* like the stuff that
>used to get submitted as poetry to the 9th grade lit journal. Exactly.
>It's so awful I'm embarassed for Petrucci. He used to have some
>creativity. Maybe he still does, and Portnoy just won't let him show it.
>
> > The people who are now ripping DT on ToT because they went in a
> > different direction, would probably still rip the band if they went back
> > and sounded the same as the I&W days.
>
>Some would, some wouldn't. You have no way of knowing, and your statement
>is worthless speculative shit.
>
> > CD would be stale and boring. I am a huge Dream Theater fan no matter
> > what music or direction they choose.
>
>That's called being a fucking sheep.
>
>Baaaaa, baaaaaa. Have a great day! Baaaaaaaaaaa!
>
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:52:57 +1100
From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: My impressions
Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMGEOMDBAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
I like Damnation, but I much prefer Opeth to play their more ... traditional
style :P I wouldn't like it if Opeth followed that path in their future
albums - it's good music, but it's not the same type of music that makes
Opeth unique.
Definitely I think DT could benefit from an external producer... but I get
the feeling that Portnoy thinks this way was best. He's said before that the
label had their producer for FII, and then SFaM came up and they told the
label that they had their way, now they wanted a shot at it.
Niall
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of
> Rob P
> Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 12:42 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: RE: My impressions
>
>
> Yeah god forbid Dream Theater put out something amazing like Damnation.
> Sorry that has MELODY. The only songs that hold up melodically
> to that are
> the last 2 tracks on ToT and one is the instrumental. DT need
> direction, if
> it's not SW that's cool. Just get SOMEONE in there to organize
> these ideas.
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:40:07 -0800
From: "Trevor Hoit" <trevorhoit@comcast.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: seattle ppfest/heir apparent/ToT
Message-ID: <007401c3a9a8$990a6120$f7a2eb0c@attbi.com>
Apparently, this has been scaled back to three bands-
TRIPLE S PRODUCTION PRESENTS
Heir Apparent
Chirascuro
Tremorcordis
9pm $7 11/15
>From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
>Whoa!! I wonder how many can claim they have that album20
Doc! Nice to smell ya!
I have thier '89 release "One Small Voice" which was pretty hard to find
a few years ago but now it and thier other releases are available at
http://www.heirapparent.com/
Acronyns:
TOT or Train-Train of Thought
ToT-Trial of Tears
Looking forward to the encore at the next DT/QR concert-"As I Am I" :)
Trevor
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:14:02 -0800
From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: My impressions
Message-ID: <20031113061402.GA4903@zero>
0. Niall Connaughton <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au> farted:
> I like Damnation, but I much prefer Opeth to play their more ... traditional
> style :P I wouldn't like it if Opeth followed that path in their future
> albums - it's good music, but it's not the same type of music that makes
> Opeth unique.
>
> Definitely I think DT could benefit from an external producer... but I get
> the feeling that Portnoy thinks this way was best. He's said before that the
> label had their producer for FII, and then SFaM came up and they told the
> label that they had their way, now they wanted a shot at it.
I dunno if there would be any real benefit of having an external producer,
for FII it just turned out as pure crap...
Sound quality wise I think this album is the most solid so far, the drums
sound good and the guitars sound good.
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:21:43 +1100 From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: My impressions Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMAEOODBAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
Didn't they have a producer all along the way until SFaM? Certainly with Awake and I&W, they wrote the songs before moving in to record them. I agree that the sound quality seems good. Though I'm no audiophile... some people were trashing 6DOIT, and while it's different, I don't see why it's terrible. Some people here have already trashed the sound of this album too...
Niall
> -----Original Message----- > I dunno if there would be any real benefit of having an external > producer, > for FII it just turned out as pure crap... > > Sound quality wise I think this album is the most solid so far, the drums > sound good and the guitars sound good.
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:33:01 +0000 From: "Douglas Gray" <douglas_gray@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Play order not arriving Message-ID: <BAY1-F80wTXSRdZqou200002164@hotmail.com>
Totally with you Antony - what the hell has happened to Play - mine was despatched on the 6th and hasn't arrived yet. Can't surely be the postal strike as that finished before the 6th.
Not much point contacting them just yet as they'll just say wait 14 days then complain!
Might have to download it in the meantime, cause wouldn't mind adding my 2p worth.
Doug
> >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:24:42 +0000 >From: Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk> >To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >Subject: Annoyed >Message-ID: <20031110162442.GD3059@brain.pulsesol.com> > >My play.com pre-order hasn't arrived yet. I was holding the CD in my >hands in HMV just now. Nearly bought it but decided to wait and hope >the posted one arrives tomorrow. :( >
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:28:16 -0800 From: "Raby, Scott A" <scott.a.raby@boeing.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: TOT Message-ID: <C0345B1C0CF02E4D8F9812950DA07A3902E62A65@xch-nw-02.nw.nos.boeing.com>
I've been a member of this list for many many years (>10), and I rarely chime in, but I felt it was about time I added my 2 cents to a discussion. So here it is:
I miss Kevin Moore!
OSI is a fantastic album with its dark melodies, bringing back memories from Awake and I&W. Man I miss those days. Sherinian was the glamour boy and now Rudess is just another shredder who brings little emotion to any of DT's songs. SFOM was as close as he ever got.
Ok, back to lurk mode.
Scott
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:53:56 +0000 From: Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Play order not arriving Message-ID: <20031113165356.GC28650@brain.pulsesol.com>
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 02:48:27AM -0800, Douglas Gray wrote: > Totally with you Antony - what the hell has happened to Play - mine was > despatched on the 6th and hasn't arrived yet. Can't surely be the postal > strike as that finished before the 6th. > > Not much point contacting them just yet as they'll just say wait 14 days > then complain! > > Might have to download it in the meantime, cause wouldn't mind adding my 2p > worth. > > Doug
The "funny" thing is that I ordered about 5 CD's at the same time, and this is the only one that hasn't come yet. So I can listen to the new Rush (their second triple live CD in three releases, eeewww). Or The Mars Volta, Kings Of Leon, Muse, and The Flaming Lips. But not the one that I am most looking forward to.
T
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:35:55 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: TOT Message-ID: <003701c3aa2e$1edd1a10$9b00a8c0@mizz>
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On that note, I dunno if anyone mentioned this already, but before TOT came out, there was a thread about saying how Jordan Rudess' keyboard sound wasn't liked by some people. I noticed on this release he tried for a different, less "toy keyboard" sound, maybe in the direction of Sherinian's squealing, distorted wah-filled sound. I like it! :) What do you guys think? ----- Original Message ----- From: Raby, Scott A To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:24 AM Subject: TOT
I've been a member of this list for many many years (>10), and I rarely chime in, but I felt it was about time I added my 2 cents to a discussion. So here it is:
I miss Kevin Moore!
OSI is a fantastic album with its dark melodies, bringing back memories from Awake and I&W. Man I miss those days. Sherinian was the glamour boy and now Rudess is just another shredder who brings little emotion to any of DT's songs. SFOM was as close as he ever got.
Ok, back to lurk mode.
Scott
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:48:22 EST From: Kgahjah1@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: ToT again Message-ID: <15e.27c4f4b3.2ce55626@aol.com>
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i can see your point. it almost seems like dt is a side project. i think this is a good cd, but could have been a great cd. leave out the rap parts or make them stronger. take a lesson from kid rock. i don't like rap, but i won't turn the station if he's on. i also think they could have used an outside producer. this is getting to be a dead horse, but i'm hitting it once more. lyrics, to be honest, i haven't even listened to them. more into the music right now. read them. not impressed. someone said 9th grade lit and i agree. the guys have done better in the past, so no excuse not to have done as well this time around. another producer would have helped here. last shot at the cd is this, the keyboard fill in the middle of honor thy father is (imho) rather cartoonish. i'm not a fan of this kind of thing especially when i know jordan is better than that. is it because mp and jp like the vaudeville stuff and demand it or does jordan just dig this kind of thing and somehow omits it from his solo stuff. i don't have any dixie dregs, so i don't know how he played form them. anyway, my 2 cents worth and i'm nobody special, so please don't get offended if you don't agree. jacko
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:57:24 EST From: Kgahjah1@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: TOT Message-ID: <76.34b2696e.2ce55844@aol.com>
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i with you. if not kevin moore, at least some of the emotion from osi. like i said before, tot is a good cd, but when you measure it against osi or scenes or images, it lacks the emotion. i like this cd well enough, but i think they could have done better. jacko
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:05:27 EST From: Kgahjah1@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: TOT Message-ID: <e.3841f638.2ce55a27@aol.com>
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i actually like the sound jordan has (w/ exception to the one fill in song 4) and i like the heavy sound of the cd. i just expected better. if the first half of the cd was as good as the last half, i would be very, very happy. jacko ps i think i'm done now. no more posts for awhile.
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:19:01 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: ToT again Message-ID: <00f401c3aa34$23fcfeb0$9b00a8c0@mizz>
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Jordan Rudess wasn't in the Dixie Dregs was he? This is the band with Steve Morse, a guitarist who was a big influence for petrucci, and have made instrumental i dunno what you call it music since the 70's. Cool stuff actually.... I think Rudess played a show or two with DD (and morse appeared on his Feeding The Wheel album a few years back), but I don't think he was in the band. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kgahjah1@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: Re: ToT again
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i can see your point. it almost seems like dt is a side project. i think this is a good cd, but could have been a great cd. leave out the rap parts or make them stronger. take a lesson from kid rock. i don't like rap, but i won't turn the station if he's on. i also think they could have used an outside producer. this is getting to be a dead horse, but i'm hitting it once more. lyrics, to be honest, i haven't even listened to them. more into the music right now. read them. not impressed. someone said 9th grade lit and i agree. the guys have done better in the past, so no excuse not to have done as well this time around. another producer would have helped here. last shot at the cd is this, the keyboard fill in the middle of honor thy father is (imho) rather cartoonish. i'm not a fan of this kind of thing especially when i know jordan is better than that. is it because mp and jp like the vaudeville stuff and demand it or does jordan just dig this kind of thing and somehow omits it from his solo stuff. i don't have any dixie dregs, so i don't know how he played form them. anyway, my 2 cents worth and i'm nobody special, so please don't get offended if you don't agree. jacko
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:53:23 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <andrew@acvox.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: ToT again Message-ID: <20031113175239.I94187@samurai.ruin.org>
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Mike Shetzer wrote:
> Jordan Rudess wasn't in the Dixie Dregs was he?
Uh, yeah. That's why he didn't join Dream Theater in 1994; he opted instead to join the Dregs because it would have been easier on his family life.
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:10:11 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: ToT again Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031113180952.01c35e38@mail.comcast.net>
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From what Iknow, he was on the full circle tour, hence the teamuip with Rod Morganstein. I don't think he played on any albums, though.
At 05:27 PM 11/13/2003, you wrote:
>--Boundary_(ID_ptkMETeYmNP+MZIlUPM7Qw) >Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > >Jordan Rudess wasn't in the Dixie Dregs was he? >This is the band with Steve Morse, a guitarist who was a big influence for >petrucci, and have made instrumental i dunno what you call it music since >the 70's. Cool stuff actually.... I think Rudess played a show or two with >DD (and morse appeared on his Feeding The Wheel album a few years back), >but I don't think he was in the band. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kgahjah1@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 4:57 PM > Subject: Re: ToT again > > > > --part1_15e.27c4f4b3.2ce55626_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > i can see your point. it almost seems like dt is a side project. > i think this is a good cd, but could have been a great cd. > leave out the rap parts or make them stronger. take a lesson from kid > rock. i > don't like rap, but i won't turn the station if he's on. > i also think they could have used an outside producer. this is getting > to be > a dead horse, but i'm hitting it once more. > lyrics, to be honest, i haven't even listened to them. more into the music > right now. read them. not impressed. someone said 9th grade lit and i > agree. the > guys have done better in the past, so no excuse not to have done as > well this > time around. another producer would have helped here. > last shot at the cd is this, the keyboard fill in the middle of honor thy > father is (imho) rather cartoonish. i'm not a fan of this kind of thing > especially when i know jordan is better than that. is it because mp and > jp like the > vaudeville stuff and demand it or does jordan just dig this kind of > thing and > somehow omits it from his solo stuff. i don't have any dixie dregs, so > i don't > know how he played form them. > anyway, my 2 cents worth and i'm nobody special, so please don't get > offended > if you don't agree. > jacko > > --part1_15e.27c4f4b3.2ce55626_boundary > ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment > >--Boundary_(ID_ptkMETeYmNP+MZIlUPM7Qw) >---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:29:46 +1100 From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: TOT Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMCEPADBAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
I was one of the people you mention ;) I like his sound on this album... he's certainly more subdued, I think. Sometimes he still cuts in with that lead sound, but it's not as piercing as it has been before. BTW, I don't think that sound and style are always terrible, it just doesn't seem to fit with DT a lot of the time. I think on LTE, it often sounded quite good.
To be honest, I don't hear nearly as much JR on this album as on previous ones. It suits me ok, though I don't know about others. I think it would have been interesting to have Derek on this album, I wonder whether his style would have worked or clashed.. not starting some Derek vs Jordan thing, I'm just wondering how his style would have fit.
Niall
> -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Mike Shetzer > Sent: Friday, 14 November 2003 8:27 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: TOT > > On that note, I dunno if anyone mentioned this already, but > before TOT came out, there was a thread about saying how Jordan > Rudess' keyboard sound wasn't liked by some people. I noticed on > this release he tried for a different, less "toy keyboard" sound, > maybe in the direction of Sherinian's squealing, distorted > wah-filled sound. I like it! :) > What do you guys think?
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:50:36 -0500 From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: TOT Message-ID: <Law15-F105OJwnzsLqI000056b4@hotmail.com>
Well I agree...OSI is better for all the reasons mentioned....lightyears better than ToT.
>From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au> >Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Subject: RE: TOT >Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:28:27 -0800 (PST) > >I was one of the people you mention ;) I like his sound on this album... >he's certainly more subdued, I think. Sometimes he still cuts in with that >lead sound, but it's not as piercing as it has been before. BTW, I don't >think that sound and style are always terrible, it just doesn't seem to fit >with DT a lot of the time. I think on LTE, it often sounded quite good. > >To be honest, I don't hear nearly as much JR on this album as on previous >ones. It suits me ok, though I don't know about others. I think it would >have been interesting to have Derek on this album, I wonder whether his >style would have worked or clashed.. not starting some Derek vs Jordan >thing, I'm just wondering how his style would have fit. > >Niall > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > > Mike Shetzer > > Sent: Friday, 14 November 2003 8:27 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: TOT > > > > On that note, I dunno if anyone mentioned this already, but > > before TOT came out, there was a thread about saying how Jordan > > Rudess' keyboard sound wasn't liked by some people. I noticed on > > this release he tried for a different, less "toy keyboard" sound, > > maybe in the direction of Sherinian's squealing, distorted > > wah-filled sound. I like it! :) > > What do you guys think? >
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:00:26 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: TOT Message-ID: <002301c3aa4a$b06fe1d0$9b00a8c0@mizz>
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Yeah, I know what you mean. Derek's solo stuff suggests he's a fan of the heavy... I wonder what his influence would have done to this album. I think JR should have played more, there are parts where I swear he must actually be playing nothing at all... which is kinda weird ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: Niall Connaughton To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:28 PM Subject: RE: TOT
I was one of the people you mention ;) I like his sound on this album... he's certainly more subdued, I think. Sometimes he still cuts in with that lead sound, but it's not as piercing as it has been before. BTW, I don't think that sound and style are always terrible, it just doesn't seem to fit with DT a lot of the time. I think on LTE, it often sounded quite good.
To be honest, I don't hear nearly as much JR on this album as on previous ones. It suits me ok, though I don't know about others. I think it would have been interesting to have Derek on this album, I wonder whether his style would have worked or clashed.. not starting some Derek vs Jordan thing, I'm just wondering how his style would have fit.
Niall
> -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Mike Shetzer > Sent: Friday, 14 November 2003 8:27 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: TOT > > On that note, I dunno if anyone mentioned this already, but > before TOT came out, there was a thread about saying how Jordan > Rudess' keyboard sound wasn't liked by some people. I noticed on > this release he tried for a different, less "toy keyboard" sound, > maybe in the direction of Sherinian's squealing, distorted > wah-filled sound. I like it! :) > What do you guys think?
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