YTSEJAM Digest 6712
Today's Topics:
1) a thought or few
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@yahoo.com>
2) Re: Real fans?
by George Papadopetros <gp1@unimelb.edu.au>
3) Re: Real fans?
by Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
4) Re: What Contraversial Album Cover?
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
5) instrumentals...
by Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
6) No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing!
by "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@comcast.net>
7) Dimmu/CoB/Nevermore/Hypocrisy; roadtrips
by "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@comcast.net>
8) As I Am
by rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
9) ToT and keys
by "CGallegos" <frodosfinger@charter.net>
10) DT album cover
by "Ilia" <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
11) Re: Real fans?
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
12) Re: ToT and keys
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
13) RE: MP
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
14) Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing!
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
15) Re: As I Am
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
16) Re: TOT = Tech.Metal/fusion
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
17) Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing!
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
18) Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing!
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:38:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: a thought or few
Message-ID: <20031119003813.39338.qmail@web21405.mail.yahoo.com>
interesting thought, that all the side projects might
be taking away from DT proper....Labrie got his
songwriting jones out for Mullmuzzler, and then stays
away from doing anything on ToT save Vacant....Portnoy
gets reined in for OSI (which I think is going to end
the year as my favorite disc of 2003, unless something
comes along in the next six weeks), and then unleashes
in ToT....
could be....
After a week, my early verdict....I like this disc,
I'm playing it loud, often, and in various
places....yet I'm also questioning it, way earlier
than I've started questioning prior DT discs....stuff
like, there's a lot of similarities to disc 1 of 6DOIT
(glass prison sequel, another
possible-to-interpret-as-rock-star-going-"woe is me"
song, another "which song is different from all the
rest" track....) Granted, there's no blind faith on
this, but like someone said in the last jam, that
track is brilliant, and in my book the best DT song
since Scarred....
also, seems like the instrumental madness thing is
pulled out in almost every track, to the point that
I'm not sure which crazy bit of playing comes from
which song, even though I've been listening to it for
a week....I mean, the Metropolis midsection, you hear
it, and it's immediately known to you which song that
is (granted, 11 years of familiarity....), but ToT's
shredfests aren't so distinguishable, and hence, not
likely to be as memorable....
As I am is growing on me with every listen, partly
because at 7 minutes, it's a proper length song, not
bossted up to doble digit minutes with pyrotechnics,
that at times, takes AWAY from the piece of music....
that said, Endless Sacrifice and SoC are still my two
fave songs from the disc, early on....
just my opinion, like i said, I like the disc, and
I'll be going to the shows and stuff....but I've got
issues with this disc.
And one more thing, if you think these criticisms are
harsh, take a gander back into the ytse archives
around September 1995 (or whenever it was that ACoS
came out...) now those were flame wars!
Come to think of it: Skadz, any chance you could put a
link to the archives into the header or footer of the
digests? I keep forgetting to bookmark it when Steve
Chew gives the URL (there's your cue, Steve :)
Partha
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:54:27 +1100
From: George Papadopetros <gp1@unimelb.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Real fans?
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20031119115331.00b8e2d8@clyde.its.unimelb.edu.au>
At 03:57 PM 18/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>The first disc of 6DoIT had
>its moments, too, but the second disc was so bad that I can't even bear to
>listen to it.
What?? Right now I'm like the blinking wide-eyed kids of South Park stunned
into silence. I can't believe that line. Personally, I LOVE disk 2. I love
the flow of one song into the other for one thing. You're right about disk
one having it's moments. I usually keep disk 2 in the car for when I'm on
my way to the gym to get myself fired up:-) Having toddlers in the house it
gets hard to crank up the system to really appreciate the myriad of sounds.
Also, I didn't much like SFAM. It's my least favourite DT cd. After 2
listens I put it away. But after the sentiment to this cd from almost
everyone on this list I'm now giving it a few more chances. When I first
heard Awake I thought "Uh oh, they've gone off on a tangent. Bad." It took
about 5 listens to appreciate it and love it. I also love FII which many
here have bagged. It's another direction but it's still their musical
brilliance.
You've got to realise there comes a point in every bands life where fresh
ideas become fewer. It's hard to keep the inspiration for music and
songwriting after so many years and so much success. They lose the hunger.
It's natural. Look back at most bands and you'll see by the 6th or 7th cd
they start losing it. That youthful energy is gone. Sometimes replaced by
crap and sometimes replaced by more mature brilliance and they continue on
successfully. Rush lost me after Roll the Bones, which was marketed as
"Back to Bytor Basics". Bullshit. That line really spoilt it for me because
that's what I was expecting I guess.
Face it. There will never be another I&W. Enjoy the 'now' rather than
longing for the past.
Back in my dungeon now:-)
George.
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:27:49 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Real fans?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0311181915230.12028-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
> Also, I didn't much like SFAM. It's my least favourite DT cd.
I thought I was the only one! :)
> heard Awake I thought "Uh oh, they've gone off on a tangent. Bad."
Awake was always tied for I&W as my fave, with WDADU and then FII
slightly behind. I heard PMU on the radio and dug it (I have it taped from
the radio somewhere), but not enough to search out the album back in the
days when I was only buying three per year. Then I grabbed ACoS because I
was a Zeppelin junkie and Achilles Last Stand was my favorite song :), and
was blown away by it. Awake, I'd heard "Caugh in a Web" on one of the
early digital music services when it came out and had to have the album.
FII, though it was where they started (by their own admission) blatantly
ripping off other bands, hooked me as soon as I'd heard "Hollow Years."
"Trial of Tears" is also, imo, one of the best things they've ever done.
Everything in the Jordan era (and I'm *not* blaming it all on him), well,
unfortunately... let's just say I haven't bothered to buy a DT cd since
FII, though I may end up picking up the new one. It has enough decent
stuff that if I see it for cheap I'll grab it.
That's the thing for me. None of the last three studio efforts have really
grabbed me. They've felt forced. And this isn't just me getting older:
there are many albums, including recently OSI and the latest Dark
Tranquility (I'll not mention the great folk/blues stuff I've heard lately
as it wouldn't mean anything to most people here), that absolutely destroy
me. I hate to say it, but these days, if I type "DT" in an email to
friends, they know I'm talking about Dark Tranquility. What can I say? Am
I not a true Dream Theater fan anymore? Who knows. What does that even
mean. But I do still believe they had a run as good as nearly anyone ever
has, and I'm disappointed that they've fallen *so far* to me.
Oh well.
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:35:45 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: What Contraversial Album Cover?
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I don't have a pic of it but it was the images and words flaming heart over the twin towers depicting a burning skyline, or something like that. look for it on ebay.
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llia wrote:
I got live scenes because the whole
9/11 thing happened - even though I knew I'd have one without the
controvertial cover.
What controvertial album cover are you guys talking about? I didn't know it
had an alternate album cover. If you have a picture of it, let me know cause I
really would like to see it. :) thank you.
(You can email me or reply to this post. Either way is fine. I just gotta
know about this album cover. lol)
Art Fernandez
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:08:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: instrumentals...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0311182005060.16051-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
After my last long rant, I decided to blast FII. First, it made me
remember that once upon a time Petrucci wrote some damn fine lyrics.
"Hollow Years" is one of my favorite songs (lyrics and melody together on
that one make it something special).
Also listened to "Hell's Kitchen" all the way through for, honestly,
probably the first time since my third listen through the album back when
(I would've given it three shots then blahhhhh). I'd never been much into
DT's instrumentals (Ytsejam, ironically enough, is the only track on
WDADU---well, and Afterlife---that I don't consider an all time classic).
But now, suddenly, after years of inferior (to me) DT material, and
listening to a bunch of other stuff... suddenly it seems like a great
little tune.
Sigh.
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 06:18:16 -0500
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@comcast.net>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing!
Message-ID: <3FBB5178.2BA3@comcast.net>
I HAD noticed a lot of unsold copies of St. Anguish in stores,
too..... As I read this, it shipped double-platinum but only sold 1.5
million. :)
[forwarded message]
> Metallica's Hetfield Says 'St. Anger' Sales Are A 'Bummer'
>
> (Reuters) METALLICA frontman James Hetfield has told Reuters that the U.S. sales
> of the group's latest album, which fell off the pop charts earlier
> this month, are a "bummer."
>
> But the band are not giving up on its U.S. fans, and plan to launch a
> six-month tour of indoor arenas on March 2, they announced backstage
> at the American Music Awards on Sunday.
>
> "St. Anger" has sold about 1.5 million copies in the United States
> since it debuted at No. 1 in June, according to Nielsen SoundScan (the
> record has been certified double-platinum by the Recording Industry
> Assocationa of America).
>
> "It's a bummer," Hetfield said. "In Europe it's doing really good, and
> some other places ... It is what it is. We can't change that. We do
> our best and that's all we can do."
>
> Drummer Lars Ulrich said "St. Anger" is METALLICA's best seller in
> Europe since its 1991 self-titled release, the so-called "black
> album," and the band are preparing to launch their third "St. Anger"
> tour there in December.
>
> "It's a very challenging record," Ulrich said of "St. Anger", which
> was features no guitar solos and was widely panned for its
> "unconventional" production approach. He added that U.S. rock radio
> programmers seemed more interested in playing bands like NICKELBACK.
>
> METALLICA recently scrapped their South American tour because of
> exhaustion, and Hetfield expressed mixed emotions about their busy
> tour itinerary. The band just returned from Japan and will also play
> New Zealand and Australia early next year.
>
> "We've been a live band, get out there and play, play, play. It's
> kinda tough, because nowadays that was the area we wanted to lay back
> on a little bit, and enjoy our families."
>
> METALLICA's record sales in the U.S., according to the Recording
> Industry Association of America (RIAA):
>
> "Metallica" (1991) - 13 million
> "And Justice For All" (1988) - 8 million
> "Master of Puppets" (1986) - 6 million
> "Ride The Lightning" (1984) - 5 million
> "S&M" (1999) - 5 million
> "Load" (1996) - 5 million
> "Reload" (1997) - 3 million
> "Kill 'Em All" (1983) - 3 million
> "St. Anger" (2003) - 2 million
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 06:20:24 -0500 From: "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@comcast.net> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Dimmu/CoB/Nevermore/Hypocrisy; roadtrips Message-ID: <3FBB51F8.2ED4@comcast.net>
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:26:54 +0000 (GMT) > From: flail@geheb.com > Subject: Re: In the name of god lyrics > Just to fling in my $0.02 on other discussions - I think the whole 'true > fan' discussion is downright silly - the whole 'true'-ism has been a high > priority in the black metal milieu during the last years - and I think > Dimmu Borgir sums it all up quite nicely in 'Puritania'.
Wow, I just got back from seeing them tonight, along with Children of Bodom (zoweeee!), Hypocrisy and Nevermore. I'll have to dig out PURITANICAL EUPHORIC MISANTHROPIA and check out the lyrics.
Excellent show, BTW. 229 front-row-center pics of all four bands (Hypocrisy, CoB, Nevermore and Dimmu Borgir, in running order) will be posted at http://www.dragoncon.org/private/cob-db as soon as the upload is complete.
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:52:12 -0600 > From: "Pye, Adam T" <Adam.Pye@BellSouth.com> > Subject: "Real Fans?" > Back to lurking for another couple of years... Hehe... Good to see some of > the super old-schoolers still around here. Kez, Cashman, Mosh, Damon, > Coldie, the two Brians etc, etc... You want a couple of true fans? How > 'bout me and Cashman driving from Atlanta to Philly and back in two days > just to see ONE DT show back in '98.. :-) That and going to the Roseland > for the 2000 DVD taping were my top two DT moments.
I was there at both, and yep, that was a fun roadtrip. Not quite as much fun as my very first, infamous DT roadtrip to NY/NJ with Bafu Vai, Trey Allen and Brandon, but that DT show was one of the best I'd seen at that point.
Ah, memories. Let me get my cane and we can walk down memory lane, sonny.... :)
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 04:47:05 -0800 (PST) From: rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: As I Am Message-ID: <20031119124705.13859.qmail@web10710.mail.yahoo.com>
In the car today listening to As I Am, I wondered if that song was a message from DT to the fans on this list. :)
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:01:38 -0600 From: "CGallegos" <frodosfinger@charter.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: ToT and keys Message-ID: <002001c3aea5$a7d5a820$a1eac518@preferre406gqb>
Firstly, ToT is quite a piece of work. I must say that I found the direct impersonation of other bands works annoying. That said.....damn I can't stop listening to it. I don't seem to have the problem hearing the keys though. Jordan seems to have gained a very crunchy keyboard patch that sounds much like a guitar...lots of growl. Kevin/Derek/Jordan- Kevin had the "computer generated" keyboard thing going on. As though a computer was fed chord progressions and told to generate it's own melody. You can hear it all over I&W and also the stuff he has done with Fates. It was what first drew me to his playing (that and the fact that he was devouring a great many lead guitar players with his chops). He will always be the original piece and I will always like his melodic sense.
Derek- Didn't really care for. Most superior keyboardist of DT? Not sure that I agree, but I can see how some might. I found him to be more of sleeper myself. I like organs in rock, but seem that they allow for a lot more sustain than for neo-baroque prog.
Jordan- The baddest keyboard player that has graced the presence of DT. Jordan is beyond comprehension. Do I like everything he does more than Kevin. No. Is he more proficient? Light years beyond, but I think that he seemed to bring more of a broken, obvious type prog. Jordan is much more subtle in his use of "odd" time signatures. His parts are more fluid and developed.
That's just my opinion though.
P.S. I'm working with the Department of Weights and Measurements to establish it as fact ; )
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:34:22 -0500 From: "Ilia" <painlessscream@yahoo.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: DT album cover Message-ID: <003101c3aeaa$3a94a7c0$6a01a8c0@covad.net>
http://launch.yahoo.com/read/news.asp?contentID 5855
http://www.dreamtheater.net/disco_dreamtheater.php?s=lsfny (scroll down to the bottom)
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:16:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Real fans? Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0311191514190.23173@norge.freeshell.org>
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Brian Hayden wrote:
> "Trial of Tears" is also, imo, one of the best things they've ever done.
Couldn't have said that any better.
> there are many albums, including recently OSI and the latest Dark > Tranquility (I'll not mention the great folk/blues stuff I've heard lately > as it wouldn't mean anything to most people here), that absolutely destroy
that folk/blues statement: possibly true for most people here...possibly. however, don't leave the rest of us in the dark. ;)
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:25:50 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: ToT and keys Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031119122408.01c52388@mail.comcast.net>
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Hang on. Inever said Derek was superior DT keyboardist. I said that his sounds were superior, in my opinion. This does not mean I hate kevin or Jordan's sounds, but to me, his organ and lead sounds were just far beyond the others. When Jordan pulls out organ sounds, they don't sound right at all, mainly because Kurzweil keyboards do horrible organs, no matter what. Listen to aCOS on Scenes from NY. Where there should be a ballsy organ, it just falls a little flat to me, and that's just my opinion, but it seems off. That being said, Jordan nails everythign he plays from the old stuff better than derek ever did, so it's six of one, half a dozen of the other.
At 09:19 AM 11/19/2003, you wrote:
>Firstly, ToT is quite a piece of work. I must say that I found the >direct impersonation of other bands works annoying. That said.....damn I >can't stop listening to it. I don't seem to have the problem hearing the >keys though. Jordan seems to have gained a very crunchy keyboard patch >that sounds much like a guitar...lots of growl. > > Kevin/Derek/Jordan- > > Kevin had the "computer generated" keyboard thing going on. As though a >computer was fed chord progressions and told to generate it's own >melody. You can hear it all over I&W and also the stuff he has done with >Fates. It was what first drew me to his playing (that and the fact that >he was devouring a great many lead guitar players with his chops). He >will always be the original piece and I will always like his melodic >sense. > > Derek- Didn't really care for. Most superior keyboardist of DT? Not >sure that I agree, but I can see how some might. I found him to be more >of sleeper myself. I like organs in rock, but seem that they allow for a >lot more sustain than for neo-baroque prog. > > Jordan- The baddest keyboard player that has graced the presence of >DT. Jordan is beyond comprehension. Do I like everything he does more >than Kevin. No. Is he more proficient? Light years beyond, but I think >that he seemed to bring more of a broken, obvious type prog. Jordan is >much more subtle in his use of "odd" time signatures. His parts are more >fluid and developed. > > > That's just my opinion though. > > > > P.S. I'm working with the Department of Weights and Measurements to >establish it as fact ; ) > >---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:28:48 -0500 From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: MP Message-ID: <Law15-F82pwPuQ53TMS0001e749@hotmail.com>
Sure! Opeth "Damnation", OSI, new SB, Arena "Contagion", The Tangent, Jadis "Fanatic" to name a few. All are in my topten for 2003. DT and Neal's disc are not. Obviously. :)
>From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> >Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Subject: RE: MP >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 06:05:29 -0800 (PST) > >Rob.... is there any music you actually like this year? LOL :) > > jm > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rob P [mailto:ytsejam2002@hotmail.com] > > >I listened to that fill and I don't know why Mike had to even pay for >it...it's not a big deal from the sound of the fill. Should I mention that >Neal's album disappoints me too or will I get killed for that? Sounds too >typical while the new SB has great songs throughout. <ducking> > >
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:31:28 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing! Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031119122613.01c80b00@mail.comcast.net>
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Well, Garbage in, Garbage out as they say. I think Metalica is not fully understanding why their sales are slipping, probably because their egos still think they are the greatest metal band in the world. St. Anger is St. disappinting in every aspect. The production is awful. Unconventional technique my ass. I can produce better sounding shit in my non sound proofed studio here. The drums are awful sounding, the guitars are barely heard over the drums and if they are heard it is just a distorted pile of sludge, the bass is rumble and nothing else, James is out of tune most of the time and there are absolutely no effects on his voice at all, which makes the whole production sound like it was recorded in a garage on really crappy amateur equipment. I was taught once in a radio production class that you are only as good as your last production. If that is true, Metalica should be totally ashamed of themselves. I can live with the no solos part, although I simply don't know why this trend even exists, what is wrong with solos, but the sound of this album is something that any self respecting band should never let out into the light of day. They should have called the album St. Rough Mixes or ST. demos. And the lyrics are silly. James, go back to drinking or drugging or whatever you did. <yes, that's a joke before you flame me>. Honestly, I know that the days of Kill 'em all, master of puppets and And Justice for all are gone. I'd take another black album and be happy. Hell, I'd take another Load and Reload, at least you can hear things in those albums clearly. God, guys, you used to be kings, now you are jokes. At least put out something that won't sonically make my ears bleed. God, just when you think it can't get any worse...next album is going to be all kazoos with James singing about how exhausted he is while touring to unappreciative crowds in the U.S. who figured out years ago that they don't have the fire anymore. Do us a favor, go spend the time with your families and come back when you actually can pull the cocks out of your ears and produce something that doesn't sound worse than a Nirvana demo tape. Rant over, donning flame retardant body condom.
At 06:17 AM 11/19/2003, you wrote:
>I HAD noticed a lot of unsold copies of St. Anguish in stores, >too..... As I read this, it shipped double-platinum but only sold 1.5 >million. :) > >[forwarded message] > > > Metallica's Hetfield Says 'St. Anger' Sales Are A 'Bummer' > > > > (Reuters) METALLICA frontman James Hetfield has told Reuters that the > U.S. sales > > of the group's latest album, which fell off the pop charts earlier > > this month, are a "bummer." > > > > But the band are not giving up on its U.S. fans, and plan to launch a > > six-month tour of indoor arenas on March 2, they announced backstage > > at the American Music Awards on Sunday. > > > > "St. Anger" has sold about 1.5 million copies in the United States > > since it debuted at No. 1 in June, according to Nielsen SoundScan (the > > record has been certified double-platinum by the Recording Industry > > Assocationa of America). > > > > "It's a bummer," Hetfield said. "In Europe it's doing really good, and > > some other places ... It is what it is. We can't change that. We do > > our best and that's all we can do." > > > > Drummer Lars Ulrich said "St. Anger" is METALLICA's best seller in > > Europe since its 1991 self-titled release, the so-called "black > > album," and the band are preparing to launch their third "St. Anger" > > tour there in December. > > > > "It's a very challenging record," Ulrich said of "St. Anger", which > > was features no guitar solos and was widely panned for its > > "unconventional" production approach. He added that U.S. rock radio > > programmers seemed more interested in playing bands like NICKELBACK. > > > > METALLICA recently scrapped their South American tour because of > > exhaustion, and Hetfield expressed mixed emotions about their busy > > tour itinerary. The band just returned from Japan and will also play > > New Zealand and Australia early next year. > > > > "We've been a live band, get out there and play, play, play. It's > > kinda tough, because nowadays that was the area we wanted to lay back > > on a little bit, and enjoy our families." > > > > METALLICA's record sales in the U.S., according to the Recording > > Industry Association of America (RIAA): > > > > "Metallica" (1991) - 13 million > > "And Justice For All" (1988) - 8 million > > "Master of Puppets" (1986) - 6 million > > "Ride The Lightning" (1984) - 5 million > > "S&M" (1999) - 5 million > > "Load" (1996) - 5 million > > "Reload" (1997) - 3 million > > "Kill 'Em All" (1983) - 3 million > > "St. Anger" (2003) - 2 million > > >-- >+--- Paul W. Cashman, ICQ #4151223 www.paulcashman.com ----+ >| NEW email: pellaz@comcast.net | >| "true" website address: http://home.comcast.net/~pellaz | >+---------------------------------------------------------------+ > >---YTSEJAM-FILTER: This message was posted using the YML command
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"To those who understand, I extend my hand To the doubtful I demand, take me as I am Not under your command, I know where I stand I won't change to fit your plan, take me as I am."--Dream Theater, As I am
"All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers turn to look at the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars Turn around and walk the razor's edge."--Neil Peart of Rush, The Pass
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:42:20 -0500 From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: As I Am Message-ID: <Law15-F66qyFp4gpr1O000060cf@hotmail.com>
Yeah it could be...if it is a message to me...well tough break guys. I've read somewhere that we should be thankful they make music or something of the sort. Well, I PAY for the music so guess what? The end decision is with the fans. "Take me as I am" isn't a smart statement when aimed at fans. It's called alienation...ask Metallica how it's "workin' for them." LOL!
Rob Bob's best friend.
>From: rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Subject: As I Am >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 04:48:46 -0800 (PST) > >In the car today listening to As I Am, I wondered if >that song was a message from DT to the fans on this >list. :) > >=== >"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not >want merely because you think it would be good for him." -- Robert >Heinlein > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard >http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:52:36 -0800 From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: TOT = Tech.Metal/fusion Message-ID: <20031119185236.GA27301@zero>
0. Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu> farted: > > Eh your full of crap quite frankly. Its a good song and the lyrics address > > questions we all have in our minds. Aide from that, find me a ninth grader > > that can write that well, I dare you. It may be ninth grade subject > > material, but not in anyway ninth grade quality. > > Well, sorry, I guess our experiences differ. Because I think you're the > one who's full of crap if that's your idea of eloquence. Two very simple > things: style and substance. Is either original, or particularly advanced? > No. >
I think the argument is really moot. Most entertainment artists will write lyrics based on current events. Be it good or bad, it's still based on something, which is current events. The only problem I see with In the Name of God is the lyrics are sort of cliche.
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:54:49 -0800 From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing! Message-ID: <20031119185449.GB27301@zero>
0. Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net> farted: > --=======39AE62D1===== > Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-424014FB; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Well, Garbage in, Garbage out as they say. I think Metalica is not fully > understanding why their sales are slipping, probably because their egos > still think they are the greatest metal band in the world. St. Anger is St. > disappinting in every aspect. The production is awful. Unconventional > technique my ass. I can produce better sounding shit in my non sound > proofed studio here. The drums are awful sounding, the guitars are barely > heard over the drums and if they are heard it is just a distorted pile of
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Damon!! All you had to say is "it's shit!!"
Hahahha... no need for a diatribe on how Metallica sucks and have sucked since the Black album..
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:26:18 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing! Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031119152604.01c72d98@mail.comcast.net>
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Sorry, Mosh. Ihad to get it off my chest. What can I say?
At 01:52 PM 11/19/2003, you wrote:
> 0. Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net> farted: > > --=======39AE62D1==== > > Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-424014FB; > charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > > > Well, Garbage in, Garbage out as they say. I think Metalica is not fully > > understanding why their sales are slipping, probably because their egos > > still think they are the greatest metal band in the world. St. Anger is > St. > > disappinting in every aspect. The production is awful. Unconventional > > technique my ass. I can produce better sounding shit in my non sound > > proofed studio here. The drums are awful sounding, the guitars are barely > > heard over the drums and if they are heard it is just a distorted pile of > >[diatribe/rant snipped] > >Damon!! All you had to say is "it's shit!!" > >Hahahha... no need for a diatribe on how Metallica sucks and have sucked since >the Black album.. > >-The Doc > >-- >-------------- >http://www.zeromemory.com - metal for your ears.
-- Damon Fibraio, email dfibraio@comcast.net Musician, broadcaster, computer technician, and troublemaker aol instant messenger screenname: dfibraio MSN Messenger screenname: dfibraio@comcast.net: Band site: Visions: http://www.visions692000.com Listen to no Holds Barred Radio. Go to our site at http://www.nhbradio.com
"To those who understand, I extend my hand To the doubtful I demand, take me as I am Not under your command, I know where I stand I won't change to fit your plan, take me as I am."--Dream Theater, As I am
"All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers turn to look at the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars Turn around and walk the razor's edge."--Neil Peart of Rush, The Pass
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