YTSEJAM Digest 6714
Today's Topics:
1) Rules of engagement
by Sebastian Keil <keil.s@web.de>
2) and now for something completely besides the point
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@yahoo.com>
3) Re: short, late comments on TOT
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
4) Re: and now for something completely besides the point
by LycanthropicEye@comcast.net
5) Re: Tallica, TnOTt
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
6) Re: TOT = Tech.Metal/fusion
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
7) Re: Rules of engagement
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
8) Re: keyboardists and album rankings
by "Ilia" <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
9) Re: short, late comments on TOT
by xcitor <xcitor@sdf.lonestar.org>
10) Re: Favorite DT albums
by xcitor <xcitor@sdf.lonestar.org>
11) Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing!
by "Nathan J Wilhelm" <wilh0038@umn.edu>
12) Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing!
by LaxBoy329@aol.com
13) Re: Ytsejam Archives...
by Steve Chew <schew@interzone.com>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 6713
by "Simon Dodd" <simon@copperstream.co.uk>
15) Re: As I Am
by MaxArbot@aol.com
16) Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing!
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
17) Re: TOT = Tech.Metal/fusion
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
18) Re: Favorite DT albums
by Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
19) Re: Favorite DT albums
by WB Henderson <LycanthropicEye@comcast.net>
20) Re: Favorite DT albums
by Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
21) Re: "Real Fans?"
by "Kez" <bkeyser@cox.net>
22) Re: Favorite DT albums
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
23) RE: MP
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
24) Re: Favorite DT albums
by Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
25) Re: Favorite DT albums
by Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:40:49 +0100
From: Sebastian Keil <keil.s@web.de>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Rules of engagement
Message-ID: <BBE24AB1.6FC%keil.s@web.de>
I don't mind getting 3 jams a day, but how about we don't paste seven weeks
of communication in our answers?
Personally, I dig St.Anger and it leaves me banging my head big time. There
are some unbelievable grooves on it. Crank it up.
Listening to ToT, why are the solos so much shred? Where's my Trial of
Tears, Voices, LitS and UAGM spirit that led me to believe JP is a complete
guitar player?
sab
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:41:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: and now for something completely besides the point
Message-ID: <20031120094102.19920.qmail@web21404.mail.yahoo.com>
>Absolutely... personally, I would rather they just
>released Blind Faith as a single with Misunderstood
as a >B side than the 6DOIT album ;P I'm sure
>that'll make me popular on the list :P
well, you have my vote :)
anyway, been listening to Cradle of Filth's Midian
disc tonight and a couple of Mp3's i have of theirs,
and I'm kinda considering making the drive out to
Milwaukee to see them and Type O Negative tomorrow
night.....anyone on here catch that show yet? I'm not
a huge fan of either band, although CoF manages to
catch my ear (and eye)......so I'd be going more for
the spectacle than for the music (then again, I just
got done taking an exam, and that sort of music might
be a good catharsis), but I was just curious if the
combo was any good.....
partha
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 07:45:39 -0500
From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: short, late comments on TOT
Message-ID: <Law15-F112Kxksom7DB00021afa@hotmail.com>
Wow it was a joke. I'd ask Santa for a sense of humor if I were you.
>From: "Dave Schott" <admdave@qis.net>
>Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: Re: short, late comments on TOT
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:38:44 -0800 (PST)
>
>Wow... you really are an ass...
>
>-Dave Schott (AdmiralDave)
>admdave@qis.net
>http://www.bangarangband.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
>To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:08 PM
>Subject: Re: short, late comments on TOT
>
>
> >
> > 1. Amazon is the evil empire and should be avoided.
> > 2. Everyone knows what I think the disc does...rocks is not the word...
> > 3. It reminds me to put on something else.
> > 4. Why is this thing numbered?
> > 5. I need sleep.
> > 6 Fairies Wear Boots.
> > 7. I have a red pencil box.
> > 8. There is no 8.
> > 9. Better late than never
> > 10. Thanks to no one in particular.
> > 11. Good night
> >
> > >From: "Sigit Prabowo" <sigit.prabowo@bni.co.id>
> > >Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> > >Subject: short, late comments on TOT
> > >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:07:35 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >1. It arrived this morning from Amazon.
> > >2. It rocks hard.
> > >3. It reminds us all that DT is, first and foremost, a METAL band.
> > >4. I'm only up to track 3 now.
> > >5. I think this disc features John Hetfield and James LaHetfield.
> > >6. I absolutely love this disc.
> > >7. I didn't download the album this time around.
> > >8. I sure would have if I could.
> > >9. Why? US/Euro release dates don't matter to me. I will always get it
>late
> > >in Indonesia.
> > >10. Now I have to find the setting for Active X controls that will
>allow
>me
> > >to see the bonus material. I think my PC is too secure.
> > >11. This disc kicks ass.
> > >12. Thanks DT.
> > >
> > >cheers,
> > >Sigit Prabowo
> > >
> > >
> >
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:59:58 +0000
From: LycanthropicEye@comcast.net
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: and now for something completely besides the point
Message-ID: <112020031259.19846.2bd4@comcast.net>
Partha wrote:
> anyway, been listening to Cradle of Filth's Midian
> disc tonight and a couple of Mp3's i have of theirs,
> and I'm kinda considering making the drive out to
> Milwaukee to see them and Type O Negative tomorrow
> night.....anyone on here catch that show yet? I'm not
> a huge fan of either band, although CoF manages to
> catch my ear (and eye)......so I'd be going more for
> the spectacle than for the music (then again, I just
> got done taking an exam, and that sort of music might
> be a good catharsis), but I was just curious if the
> combo was any good.....
Haven't attended a show on this particular tour, but I've seen both bands before separately. Cradle of Filth is, in my opinion at least, a better studio band than live. Visually, between the weird stiltwalker creatures and the assorted costumery, there's plenty to look at, but the music just doesn't come off quite as well. Type O, on the other hand, are outstanding live. All in all, if you can make it, I'd recommend going.
Brian
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:48:25 EST
From: Kgahjah1@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Tallica, TnOTt
Message-ID: <16b.26b0e484.2cee2029@aol.com>
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personally, i don't think sales are remotely indicative of the quality of a
release. i can pick on Brittany spears or any other pop "stars" as proof. i can
also use the last few rolling stones releases (relax, i love the stones but
everything after some girls is the same song w/ different lyrics).
if sales really are related to quality, how come dt doesn't have multi
platinum releases. same w/ spocks beard, crimson, osi?
jacko
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:27:36 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: TOT = Tech.Metal/fusion
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Speaking of which, what do you guys think of Planet X? Not Derek's solo albums but only his work with Tony and Virgil. I think leaving DT (although sad because I loved his lead sound and his rock balls influence) was the best thing he could have done, otherwise PX would not have existed. Anyone who feels like being blown away by some of the most nonsensical complex instrumental prog metal EVER, check out their third release Moonbabies, easily one of my favorite instrumental records!
----- Original Message -----
From: Niall Connaughton
To: Multiple recipients of list
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 3:40 AM
Subject: RE: TOT = Tech.Metal/fusion
Have you listened to Planet X? Derek's no slouch...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of
> Damon Fibraio
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2003 10:54 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: TOT = Tech.Metal/fusion
>
> Derek: Soundwise, the most superior keyboardist DT has ever had.
> His organ
> sound ruled and I am still trying to emulate it myself. His lead sounds
> also ruled. Unfortunatley, derek did not have the chops to cover some of
> the parts that DT had at the time. When he tried to do the solo for Take
> the Time, it hurt, his rendition of Wait for Sleep is painful, and to me,
> he just didn't seem to fit in. if we can only have Jordan's
> technique with
> Derek's keyboard sounds, Iwould be extremely happy. But, given
> the choice,
> please keep Jordan in the band. I don't know if anybody will be able to
> replace him, honestly.
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:31:11 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Rules of engagement
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>Listening to ToT, why are the solos so much shred? Where's my Trial of
>Tears, Voices, LitS and UAGM spirit that led me to believe JP is a complete
>guitar player?
The only thing close to that is the first few seconds of the SoC solo. However, somehow you don't think UAGM and the Voices solo aren't insanely fast too ;)
Originally my complaint with 6DoIT was not enough melodic solos, however when I compare it to this year's release, I see that there's even less. However, the solos on this album are far from easy to play. Petrucci pulls off some stylistic solos that I've never heard him try before. I'm glad that he still has his trademark incredibly beautiful guitar tone though.
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:40:36 -0500
From: "Ilia" <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: keyboardists and album rankings
Message-ID: <004301c3af74$43488880$6a01a8c0@covad.net>
Of course, Derek is a great keyboardist. His compositions are interesting
in a weird way, and he likes classics (not one of the new breed of
keyboardists I've encountered lately, who've never even heard of, say, Randy
Rhoads). In DT, he was a hired gun - that's how I look at it. They needed
a touring keyboardist, and they got him, he stuck around until he and DT
both had better options. He did his best to interpret the songs they had
written before him, but he's altogether a different animal from Kevin.
Kevin did indulge in the shred keyboard vs. guitar thing in the Jens/Yngwie
tradition early on (judging from WD&DU and various live bootlegs). He
quickly grew out of it, though, but still focused on composition. I've
always felt that his biggest strengths were in that aspect of DT - they
never fully recovered from his departure, and subsequently evolved into a
slightly different band in terms of the material. His concepts are a lot
more abstract than what DT has done in recent years, which is what I love
about him. And let's see Petrucci/Portnoy write lyrics that even touch his!
(not to flog a dead horse or anything)
Rudess is an orchestrator. When he first joined and they did SfaM, it
became an orchestral album. While there were reminiscences of that on
6DoIT, it faded - there were more stand-alone songs. ToT is missing that
entirely - he's now assimilated into DT. A good analogy would be Deep
Purple's Purpendicular album, which sounded like Steve Morse feat. DP more
than DP with Steve Morse on guitar; their later albums with him were more
DP-like.
So it's difficult to assess the variables' relative inputs if we don't
consider the constants' evolution at the same time. The band behind the
keyboardists changed with time. But check out Rudess's Keyboard Wizardry
video - his musical vision is in arrangements and orchestration, not pure
technique.
1. Awake
2. ACoS
3. I&W
4. SfaM
5. 6DoIT
6. WD&DU
I haven't heard enough of studio FII to place it in that list.
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:07:30 -0500
From: xcitor <xcitor@sdf.lonestar.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: short, late comments on TOT
Message-ID: <20031120150730.GA28797@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG>
Quoting <Dave Schott <admdave@qis.net>> on <2003-11-19 - 19:38>:
> Wow... you really are an ass...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:08 PM
> Subject: Re: short, late comments on TOT
> >
> > 1. Amazon is the evil empire and should be avoided.
> > 2. Everyone knows what I think the disc does...rocks is not the word...
> > 3. It reminds me to put on something else.
well i for one thought it was funny.
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:09:07 -0500 From: xcitor <xcitor@sdf.lonestar.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Favorite DT albums Message-ID: <20031120150907.GB28797@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG>
Quoting <Stephen Gervois <sgervois@atmel.fr>> on <2003-11-19 - 23:39>: > OK I know it's almost impossible to put some DT albums in front of others > but give it a try.
my top 3.
1. I&W 2. SDoIT 3. SFAM
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:52:24 -0600 From: "Nathan J Wilhelm" <wilh0038@umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing! Message-ID: <000901c3afa8$34524800$0d00a8c0@nathan>
> I see and hear your opinion and raise you 6.03 cents. I personally loathe the post black album Metallica also, although I caved and bought Load and Reload in shameful hopes.... > My friend who's a big metal / prog / prog-metal fan (i.e. likes a lot of the stuff we jammers like) says that St.Anger is quite the strong disc. I tell him to shove it ;) > In other words, I long for the old metallica.
I think that St. Anger actually has a lot of promise to be a good album. It's the absolutely horrible sound and production that ruin it. If they had sat down and recorded it like every other band in the world does and had some better drum sounds and some solos it could be good. Someone posted a quote I think by Hetfield that said something like "we did our best and we're happy with it how it is" or something like that. I guess my response to that would be that if this is the best Metallica can do these days, I think it is time they hang it up and call it a career. It just seems like they didn't care enough to put out a quality album for their fans.
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:50:47 EST From: LaxBoy329@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing! Message-ID: <71.37c10a20.2cee9137@aol.com>
..hrmm having to do with sound i seem to like the sort of garage band sound a lot of bands create. Material from older hardcore bands such as Vision of Disorder or a newer band such as Diecast
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:18:02 -0500 From: Steve Chew <schew@interzone.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Ytsejam Archives... Message-ID: <20031120221802.GC14930@interzone.com>
> >And one more thing, if you think these criticisms are >harsh, take a gander back into the ytse archives >around September 1995 (or whenever it was that ACoS >came out...) now those were flame wars! > >Come to think of it: Skadz, any chance you could put a >link to the archives into the header or footer of the >digests? I keep forgetting to bookmark it when Steve >Chew gives the URL (there's your cue, Steve :) >
Eh? What? Err.... Oh, yeah...
Ytsejam Archives: http://interzone.com/Music/Ytsejam/
Yes, they're still way out of date, but they do have September of 1995.... ;-)
Steve
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:36:23 -0000 From: "Simon Dodd" <simon@copperstream.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 6713 Message-ID: <000601c3afb6$ba0def90$0f00000a@tacitus>
> From: "Stephen Gervois" <sgervois@atmel.fr> > Subject: Favorite DT albums > > OK I know it's almost impossible to put some DT albums in front of others > but give it a try. > > I'm just interested in seeing your order of favorite albums (Old and new > ytsejammers euuhhh fogies). > I don't think we should include TOT yet until at least 6 months, otherwise I > know I can't have the retrospect. > > I love them all, so here's my top 7 : > 1) SFAM > 2) Awake > 3) I&W > 4) 6DOIT > 5) FII > 6) WD&DU > 7) ACOS
Mine would run:
1) I&W =2) FII =2) Awake 3) ACoS 4) 6 Degrees 5) WD&DU 6) Scenes
TOT will be somewhere below 6 Degrees.
~sjd
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:14:15 EST From: MaxArbot@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: As I Am Message-ID: <13.2537215a.2ceea4c7@aol.com>
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In a message dated 11/19/2003 2:42:17 PM Central Standard Time, rob denni drummerdream@yahoo.com writes:
> In the car today listening to As I Am, I wondered if > that song was a message from DT to the fans on this > list. :)
Ha ha...I thought it was Labrie, telling people to take him as he is.
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:44:05 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing! Message-ID: <004f01c3afc0$2f0b7ed0$9b00a8c0@mizz>
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I remember hearing somewhere that they produced that garage sound on purpose. ----- Original Message ----- From: LaxBoy329@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing!
..hrmm having to do with sound i seem to like the sort of garage band sound a lot of bands create. Material from older hardcore bands such as Vision of Disorder or a newer band such as Diecast
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:54:48 -0500 From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: TOT = Tech.Metal/fusion Message-ID: <Law15-F36oKGxRZmQ9W0000829d@hotmail.com>
The problem I have with that song (which is my favorite on the disc and I guess coming from me isn't a huge ringing endorsement) is the spot at around 8 minutes that sounds exactly like the end of "Home". I know the melody is different but the overall sound is the same...I am sure they could make their standard medley but come on...
>From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com> >Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Subject: Re: TOT = Tech.Metal/fusion >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:52:37 -0800 (PST) > > 0. Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu> farted: > > > Eh your full of crap quite frankly. Its a good song and the lyrics >address > > > questions we all have in our minds. Aide from that, find me a ninth >grader > > > that can write that well, I dare you. It may be ninth grade subject > > > material, but not in anyway ninth grade quality. > > > > Well, sorry, I guess our experiences differ. Because I think you're the > > one who's full of crap if that's your idea of eloquence. Two very simple > > things: style and substance. Is either original, or particularly >advanced? > > No. > > > >I think the argument is really moot. Most entertainment artists will write >lyrics based on current events. Be it good or bad, it's still based on >something, which is current events. The only problem I see with >In the Name of God is the lyrics are sort of cliche. > >-The Doc > > >-- >-------------- >http://www.zeromemory.com - metal for your ears.
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:23:37 +0000 From: Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Favorite DT albums Message-ID: <20031121012337.GB20642@brain.pulsesol.com>
On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 02:35:38PM -0800, Simon Dodd wrote: > > From: "Stephen Gervois" <sgervois@atmel.fr> > > Subject: Favorite DT albums > > > > OK I know it's almost impossible to put some DT albums in front of others > > but give it a try. > > > > I'm just interested in seeing your order of favorite albums (Old and new > > ytsejammers euuhhh fogies). > > I don't think we should include TOT yet until at least 6 months, otherwise > I > > know I can't have the retrospect. > > > > I love them all, so here's my top 7 : > > 1) SFAM > > 2) Awake > > 3) I&W > > 4) 6DOIT > > 5) FII > > 6) WD&DU > > 7) ACOS > > Mine would run: > > 1) I&W > =2) FII > =2) Awake > 3) ACoS > 4) 6 Degrees > 5) WD&DU > 6) Scenes > > TOT will be somewhere below 6 Degrees. > > ~sjd
That's two people who put WDADU above ACOS and SFAM respectively. I know it's subjective and all, but WDADU just sounds like an appaling 80's hair metal record with technical playing.
T
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:10:19 -0500 From: WB Henderson <LycanthropicEye@comcast.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Favorite DT albums Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20031120203914.068da9c8@mail.comcast.net>
Anthony Gelberg wrote:
>That's two people who put WDADU above ACOS and SFAM respectively. I >know it's subjective and all, but WDADU just sounds like an appaling >80's hair metal record with technical playing.
How can an album with no overt mention of sex, drugs or booze sound like a hair metal record? Heh-heh. Personally, I've always likened WDADU's sound more to '80s neoprog. This impression, granted, is based mostly in the production and would probably not stand up to closer scrutiny.
Another album ranking: 1. Awake 2. I&W 3. ACoS 4. WDADU 5. FII 6. SFAM 7. 6DOIT
Brian
[NP...Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses]
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:52:48 +0000 From: Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Favorite DT albums Message-ID: <20031121025248.GC20642@brain.pulsesol.com>
I wasn't going to, but: 1. ACOS 2. SFAM 3. 6DOIT 4. I&W 5= FII 5= Awake 7. WDADU
Don't know about TOT yet. And I couldn't separate FII and Awake. I'm not a massive fan of the production on Awake, but I think FII has a little filler.
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:05:46 -0500 From: "Kez" <bkeyser@cox.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: "Real Fans?" Message-ID: <008901c3afdc$5bd334a0$6401a8c0@amdathlon14>
> > Back to lurking for another couple of years... Hehe... Good to see some of > the super old-schoolers still around here. Kez, Cashman, Mosh, Damon, > Coldie, the two Brians etc, etc... You want a couple of true fans? How > 'bout me and Cashman driving from Atlanta to Philly and back in two days > just to see ONE DT show back in '98.. :-) That and going to the Roseland > for the 2000 DVD taping were my top two DT moments. > > Adam >
Hey Adam,
It's very good to see that you're still around too!
I really wish I had sacrificed whatever it was that kept me from Roseland, so I could have been at that show, but I have certainly seen them quite a few times otherwise, as well as travelling to Philly to see LTE, which was outrageously cool.
Nice to see this list come alive. Let's keep it this way.
Kez
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:11:25 -0800 From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Favorite DT albums Message-ID: <20031121031125.GA4704@zero>
0. Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk> farted: > > That's two people who put WDADU above ACOS and SFAM respectively. I > know it's subjective and all, but WDADU just sounds like an appaling > 80's hair metal record with technical playing.
Oh, so you are saying songs like The Killing Hand, TOWHTSTS, YtseJam, A Fortune In Lie is bad 80's hair metal?? I think yer on some bad 80's CRACK.
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:29:05 -0500 From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: MP Message-ID: <Law15-F78WDUK4W4ZX800006569@hotmail.com>
Sure! Opeth "Damnation", OSI, new SB, Arena "Contagion", The Tangent, Jadis "Fanatic" to name a few. All are in my topten for 2003. DT and Neal's disc are not. Obviously. :)
>From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> >Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Subject: RE: MP >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 06:05:29 -0800 (PST) > >Rob.... is there any music you actually like this year? LOL :) > > jm > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rob P [mailto:ytsejam2002@hotmail.com] > > >I listened to that fill and I don't know why Mike had to even pay for >it...it's not a big deal from the sound of the fill. Should I mention that >Neal's album disappoints me too or will I get killed for that? Sounds too >typical while the new SB has great songs throughout. <ducking> > >
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 04:08:21 +0000 From: Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Favorite DT albums Message-ID: <20031121040821.GD20642@brain.pulsesol.com>
On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 07:22:30PM -0800, Dr. Mosh wrote: > 0. Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk> farted: > > > > That's two people who put WDADU above ACOS and SFAM respectively. I > > know it's subjective and all, but WDADU just sounds like an appaling > > 80's hair metal record with technical playing. > > Oh, so you are saying songs like The Killing Hand, TOWHTSTS, YtseJam, A Fortune In Lie is bad 80's hair > metal?? I think yer on some bad 80's CRACK.
Not saying the songs are bad 80's hair metal. But they _sound like_ bad 80's hair metal. What about Light Fuse And Get Away, Afterlife, Only A Matter Of Time, and my favourite of all, Status Seeker?
If DT hadn't gone on to greater things, this album would be right up there with "Shark Sandwich".
T
PS The Killing Hand and A Fortune In Lies are good - I still can't listen to them as it's a joke to put a DT album in the player for two songs.
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:30:28 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Favorite DT albums Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0311202229490.7674-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
For what it's worth, my ranking is more or less identical to Brian's. The top three spots are variable based on mood, but yeah...
> Another album ranking: > 1. Awake > 2. I&W > 3. ACoS > 4. WDADU > 5. FII > 6. SFAM > 7. 6DOIT > > Brian
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