YTSEJAM Digest 6719
Today's Topics:
1) where are they now?
by "Trevor Hoit" <trevorhoit@comcast.net>
2) YML Re: prog definition
by "Simon Dodd" <simon@copperstream.co.uk>
3) RE: Progressiveness
by "Alexis Ramos" <Aramos@vivienda.gobierno.pr>
4) Fw: 101 Rules of Prog, pt 1, attempt 2
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
5) Fw: 101 Rules of Prog, pt 2
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
6) Re: Just got ToT...
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
7) wankery
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
8) RE: Just got ToT...
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
9) Re: UK
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
10) Re: where are they now?
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
11) Re: where are they now?
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
12) Re: UK
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
13) Re: where are they now?
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
14) Re: Progressiveness
by George Papadopetros <gp1@unimelb.edu.au>
15) Re: where are they now?
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
16) Re: UK/Eddie Jobson
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:13:27 -0800
From: "Trevor Hoit" <trevorhoit@comcast.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: where are they now?
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>this is off subject, but what the hell ever happened to eddie jobson?
last thing he's done is work on the Bulgarian's Women's Choir section of
Disney's "Brother Bear" Soundtrack.
>same thing w/ the non-guitarists in the band gtr. the guitarists moved
on,
>but the other guys hit obscurity city.
Bassist Phil Spalding has been playing for pop artists Nick Carter,
Melanie C,
Robbie Williams, Nick Lachey and Kylie Minogue.
Drummer Johathan Mover has done a lot of session work with Joe Satriani,
Alice Cooper,etc
and is in a band called "Einstein".
Vocalist Max Bacon sang on some Mike Oldfield songs and just put out a
solo album in 2002, with 5 tracks written by GTR keyboardist Geoffrey
Downes.
Geoffrey Downes has also released several solo cds........
Trevor
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:00:09 -0000
From: "Simon Dodd" <simon@copperstream.co.uk>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: YML Re: prog definition
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> From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of
> Dan Costello
> Subject: The Way it Used to Be
>
> Anybody know where I can find the tab to this? It's actually one of my
> favorite DT songs.
I don't, but it's a kick-ass song that sounds like Geddy from Rush jamming
with Larry and Edge from U2. :)
If anyone wants a copy, I'm happy to "spread the word" - it's part of the
imminent "The Complete Falling Into Infinity" collection.
> From: Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com>
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: Re: Progressiveness
>
>
> 1. The core of all progressive music is that it "progresses". Meaning
that
> often the song starts out with one idea which morphs into another, into
> another, and finally can end on something altogether different than when
you
> started. The antithesis of this would be country music where you get the
basic
> gist of the music after the first 8 bars.
I completely agree with this part - it's too often state that progressive
music means "the band changes through time". ALL bands change through time.
For me, progressive means that the individual songs develop and progresses
in a more classical structure than a pop v/c/v/c/s/c/c pattern, with themes
stated and restated with different orchestration. The lanague we use to
discuss prog is different to the language in which we discuss rock. IMO, the
definitive prog songs are "And You And I" and "Siberian Khatru" by Yes, and
"Learning to Live" by Dream Theater.
~sjd
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:34:09 -0400
From: "Alexis Ramos" <Aramos@vivienda.gobierno.pr>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Progressiveness
Message-ID: <757DAAB5CD7E934CBF86345BF0CD5DF755AB58@mailserver.vivienda.local>
Dr. Teeth, I think the description you just made about progressive music is excellent. Quite accurate indeed. Another thing I would add to your definition would be:
11. Complexity is encouraged in progressive music, although extreme complexity can become ridiculous (at least for my tastes). As a result of this, the music very often has unorthodox arrangements and time signatures tend to change throughout a song. I think the main inspiration behind prog music is (or should be) to try to do something that no one has ever done before, to be as original sounding as possible.
> 10. Despite my poking fun here and there, progressive rock
> (specifically
> prog-metal) is the best music in the world. Period. Any questions???
Well, I would probably add fusion to that sentence, which I consider to be progressive jazz and some of the most amazing music ever.
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:29:32 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Fw: 101 Rules of Prog, pt 1, attempt 2
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Good thing I saved this. I found this genuinely hilarious and is a good reminder for that "progressiveness" thread.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Costello
To: Multiple recipients of list
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:59 PM
Subject: 101 Rules of Prog, pt 1, attempt 2
Ok, let's try this again:
Thought you guys might get a chuckle out of this:
1. Insist that your definition of prog metal is sacred and that the only
progressive bands are the one you deem to be so.
2. Accuse anyone who disagrees with you regarding rule 1 of lacking musical
intelligence and not being a true prog fan.
3. Have contempt for mainstream music.
4. Insist that most people listen not to the music, not to the lyrics but
only the chorus and that is why prog metal is not mainstream.
5. Accuse anyone who disagrees with you regarding rule 4 of lacking musical
intelligence and not being a true prog fan.
6. When showcasing a new prog metal band to a non-musician friend, put on
the most technically difficult song, and skip directly to the solo part.
7. If your friend says that it is cool, tell him that he has grasped the
grandeur of prog and shown that his intelligence is superior to that of the
mainstream sheep.
8. If he doesn`t, accuse him of lacking musical intelligence and not being a
true prog fan.
9. Renounce all contact with friend in rule 8. Racial purity isn`t all bad.
10. Make sure your drummer has a double bass pedal.
11. If he hasn`t, kick him out and get another one who has. Single pedal is
NOT prog.
12. Own every side-project a member of Dream Theater has been involved in.
Listen to approximately none of them regularly.
13. When a mainstream fool asks you what prog metal is, tell him something
along the lines of "prog is the evolution of musical expression and
experimentalism in rock". In any case, make sure that the person in question
is left with no idea of what prog metal is. He wouldn`t have understood
anyway.
14. Insist that music should always progress, although as long as you write
an album in the prog vein, you dont necessarily have to.
15. Accuse anyone who disagrees with you regarding rule 14 of lacking
musical intelligence and not being a true prog fan.
16. Refer to progressive metal as intelligent music for intelligent people,
preferably at every occasion where a mainstream group or genre is mentioned.
17. Note that the above does not qualify as arrogance any more than pointing
out that wine is drink for the more sophisticated.
18. A song under four minutes is NOT prog. If you are stuck with a song
under four minutes, insert a phrygian solo trade-off between the guitarist
and keyboardist as long as needed.
19. If a mainstream fool tells you that shredders are mindless wankers, tell
him that "at least they can tune their guitars, har har", and walk away
defiantly.
20. Spocks Beard is NOT prog. If anyone disagrees, kill them.
21. Humming along with the melody to a prog metal song is forbidden. Burn
all albums you own with hum-along melodies.
22. Loathe all music you used to like before you got into prog. This is not
optional. When asked why, tell people that "I am into GOOD music now, why
would I go back?".
23. Accuse any prog metal musician that cuts his hair of selling out.
24. Often state that you don't only listen to prog. Jazz is a good choice.
25. Yeah...like you have more than 3 jazz CDs in your collection...
26. Never accept ANY Berklee graduates. The drop-outs are so much better.
27. Riffs in 4/4 are not progressive. If you happen to come up with a cool
riff in 4/4, alternate between 4/4 and progressive time signatures like 7/8
every other measure to ensure the musical complexity synonymous with prog
metal.
28. Be able to mention 20 bands noone has heard of, not even true prog fans.
Own no releases of these bands.
29. Get an Ibanez. This is not negotiable.
30. Spend 5 hours every day critiquing other musicians on forums.
31. Spend 5 minutes every other day actually practicing your instrument.
32. Yell at people who headbang at concerts: They`re not prog enough to get
the music, what do they expect?
33. Sus4 is your friend. To ensure that your album is a true progressive
release, include at least one part where the keyboard plays ascending sus4
chords over a single-note broken rhythm in 7/8.
34. Make sure your bandname is either a
a)Oxymoron
-Silent Noise
-Tender Harshness
-Healing Gun
b)Some geeky sounding name ripped from some obscure book.
-Deitronus
-Tarakoch
-Fentaran
or
c)Random combination of at least 2 three-syllable words.
-Eternal Twilight Tranquility(Can`t get much progger than that)
-Redolent Arithmetic
-Evolution of Vernacular Domesticated
35. Don`t worry about if your band name makes any sense or not. Since 90% of
your fanbase is from Brazil and Japan, you can safely ignore conventional
English grammar and instead focus on what`s really important: The lyrics(see
rule 36).
36. Write deep and ambiguous lyrics.
37. If unable to write deep and ambigous lyrics, include at least one of the
following phrases to ensure recognition as lyrical genius in prog circles:
"I`m staring towards ascension divine, caught in my own revelation, a
nightly mystery of soulburning apparition"
"Mornings` gentle caress, a ray of sunlight enveloping the spirit of the
sleeper ventriloquist"
"A timid, palatable genocide, turn towards the decline of mankind, the
festering wound of ages past changes into the soul-spirit of vestigial
sentences"
38. Use a non-standard instrument like violin, saxophone or kazoo,
regardless of how idiosyncratic it turns out to be. This constitutes being
prog.
39. Make sure your bass-player has as many strings as possible. Don`t worry
if he uses approximately three of the 11 strings on his custom Carvin 30 kg
bass regularly, just give him a bass solo in the middle of your mandatory
instrumental tune(more on that later)where he can really show the extent of
his instruments capabilities. Imagine the range of scales on an instrument
like that!
40. Release a live-album called "Live in Tokyo".
41. Change time signatures. Constantly.
42. Accuse anyone who does not do so of lacking musical intelligence and not
being a true progressive musician.
43. Your amp MUST be a Mesa Boogie. If a friend of yours tries to convince
you're wrong and you should check out his Marshall tell him that his tone is
thin and buzzy.
44. State that Metallica can't properly tweak the boogies. They're so...
unprog!
45. Start a Dream Theater cover band with friends just starting out playing
instruments. Spend half of the rehearsal talking **** about punk bands and
how people don`t understand your music.
46. Play a ****ty version of a humongously difficult DT song at a Battle of
the Bands-type contest. Metropolis Part 1 or Dance of Eternity are both good
choices, as is Erotomania.
47. When your band ends up last, shift all blame over to the judges; hey,
they have no idea what good music is! Why else would they let that boring
pop band win?
48. Talking about starting playing an instrument; always start with the most
technically difficult song you know. Remember, this is a testament to your
immense talent, so be sure to mention this on every internet community you
happen to frequent.
49. When are you able to play something at half speed very sloppy, proudly
state that you "nail" the song in question.
50. People are bound to ask for a recording of the feat mentioned in rule
49. However, you are not able to provide it to them, because a) your
recording equipment got dissolved by digestive acid yesterday, b)you don`t
need to prove anything to people. Your word should be good enough c) you
don`t know anything about computers(even though you sit by one most of the
day), as you spend most of your day practicing your instrument.
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:29:44 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Fw: 101 Rules of Prog, pt 2
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Here's the rest of it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Costello
To: Multiple recipients of list
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:59 PM
Subject: 101 Rules of Prog, pt 2
51. Tool is NOT prog. If anyone insists they are, kill them.
52. Hate Falling into Infinity. If the feeling that you actually enjoy
FII(even the "proggier" songs like TOT)sneaks up on you during a glitch of
concentration, remind yourself that DT sold out.
53. Actually, state that DT sold out on every good occasion. This means
every time their name is mentioned.
54. Don't be John Arch. Insist that any pre-Alder Fates is 100% not prog.
55. Do not move on stage. Don`t under any circumstances forget that nobody
at prog concerts pays attention to the audience, including the band.
56. The best songs are those that are over 15 minutes, have multiple named
sections, and have solos by everyone in the band INCLUDING the drummer.
57. Accuse anyone who disagrees with you regarding rule 56 of lacking
musical inteli...Yeah, you`ve got it now, haven`t you?
58. Never ever under any circumstances say "Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
ruled."
59. Never let anyone tell you that Dave Weckl is better than any prog metal
drummer. If they still insist, don`t kill them, but rather put on the Mike
Portnoy drum solo from 1993`s "Live in Tokyo" vid, which still today is the
benchmark for good drumming, REGARDLESS of genre.
60. It would still be a good idea to have that gun ready, though.
61. Drummers: Huge kits are MANDATORY!!!! If all you have is a 4-piece with
3 crappy cymbals, then you don't belong on stage. A 5-piece single bass drum
kit is the bare minimum and even that's on the edges of bare bones. If you
have a tiny kit BUY MORE DRUMS AND CYMBALS!!!!!!!
62. No, 6 toms are not enough, MORE DRUMS AND CYMBALS!!!!
63. Reform with old members and release an album intended to make up for
years of bad reception from fans (see Yes) or claim your next album will be
a return to past glory (see Queensryche). If it flops, be sure to blame a
producer or record company.
64. When someone asks you why prog metal isn`t more popular if it is so
darned good, tell them that it is because "it is over the mainstream peoples
heads".
65. Talent = Technical skill. Hail any band with lightning-speed solos for
their immense talent.
66. Publicly state that your band is non-religious, then make many religious
and/or spiritual allusions in the lyrics.
67. Stress your openmindedness. State that you like all forms of music,
except lower forms of music like pop, rock `n roll, blues, techno, trance,
rap.
68. Accuse fans of the aforementioned genres of not being openminded.
69. Get a Kurzweil. As the undisputed <<>>, Jordan Rudess plays it, you have
no choice but to get one yourself, no matter what synthezisers you actually
like. ALL BOW TO THE MIGHTY 88-KEY <<>> KURZWEIL!!!
70. ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNO-KURZWEIL!!!!(Futuruma fans will know what I`m
talking about)
71. Show off with your equipment. Show off with your playing/singing. Show
off with your *ahem* length. Show off with your girlfriend. Show off with
anything you can think of. Show off with your DOG for god's sake.
72. Get a dog.
73. Play air-drums or air-guitar at concerts. This will make sure that other
prog fans recognize your immense talent.
74. Stuck in song-writing? Insert a part with a slow single-note gallop
rhythm where the singer yells "ENTER THE SUUUNNNNNNNN" several times.
75. Note that you can substitute "ENTER THE SUUUNNNNNNNNN" for either of the
following: "FATHER, MY ADOLESCENCY IS AGONNNNNYYYYYYY" or "THE APPARITION
DIVIIIIIINNNNEEEE". All three are suitable choices.
76. What do you mean, you haven`t trigged your bassdrum?
77. Remember, faster=more progressive. Slow songs cannot be progressive,
best example would be Pink Floyd.
78. If anyone says PF are prog, kindly refer them to rule 1 while you
prepare to do a "Varg", so to say.
79. During recording, make sure that you accuse the producer, the recording
engineer and half of your band of not playing the song properly at least
once.
80. Make sure your album cover contains either a psychedelic computer-drawn
image, a lavish painting with mythological figures, or is illustrated by
Travis Smith.
81. Write epics.
82. In case you didn`t know, epics must be about adolescency, concerning a
legend, or a deep dystopian tale where a cheesy fictional city/world/pizza
shop serves as a metaphor for this world.
83. Have racks with loads of equipment.
84. Have racks without equipment. Who is going to see them if you don`t
display them?
85. No intro for your song? Insert a single-note broken rhythm accented on
the snare, with shifting keyboard chords underneath.
86. Refuse to lend prog CDs to mainstream friends. When asked why, tell
him/her that (s)he "will understand when (s)he matures"
87. When playing ANY gig, from the lowliest bar to the most gargantuan
arena, be sure that no member of the audience will leave without having
heard every lick you are able to play.
88. Have at least 5 solo spots during a concert.
89. In case you have forgotten while reading this, prog metal is intelligent
music for intelligent people.
90. No, Marillion is not prog. I kindly refer you to rule 20.
91. BOOOM!!!
92. Buy new albums from past prog-greats.
93. When they turn out to be crap and nothing like the old albums, hit
yourself in the head with a hammer until you like them.
94. Hold that there is no bad prog, only DIFFERENT.
95. Of course, that only applies to bands you like. See Rule 1.
96. In case you wondered, Dream Theater is and will always be the benchmark
for prog metal. The more something sounds like Images and Words, the more
progressive it is.
97. Proclaim Rule 96 to people with a straight face in all seriousness. This
is not optional.
98. Have side-projects. Make sure that all side-projects consist of
pointless jamming over endless repetitions of clicheed riffs.
99. Make sure that at least one of your side-projects feature Mike Portnoy
on drums.
100. If you cannot get Mike Portnoy, get someone who sounds like him.
101. You mean you have been reading this when you could have been practicing
along to Metropolis Part II or composing a sidelong epic? For shame!!!!
-Dan.
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:50:41 EST
From: Kgahjah1@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Just got ToT...
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i agree that the cover art is one of their best. did anyone else notice that
there are no band photos w/ this release? seems unusual for dt.
jacko
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:53:52 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: wankery
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After reading many posts on the opinions (both first and those after many listens), it seems evident that ONE of the critiques is the display of DT wankery on tracks, or of just plain insane fast solo-ing. I, like most of you, love prog music, one of the reasons is that if I want to hear wankery or insane musicianship, I don't have to look very far. Thusly, wankery or virtuosity is always a plus when listening to a song. It's always entertaining to hear a cool track burst to insane instrumentalism and then after 3 minutes of that bust back into the original groove of the song.
What are your opinions on wankery?
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:40:31 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Just got ToT...
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Plenty of pics in the fanlcub material.
With great interviews and insight on the new album.
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From: Kgahjah1@aol.com [mailto:Kgahjah1@aol.com]
i agree that the cover art is one of their best. did anyone else notice that
there are no band photos w/ this release? seems unusual for dt.
jacko
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:02:10 +0000 (UTC)
From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: UK
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0311251846490.24600@norge.freeshell.org>
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 Kgahjah1@aol.com wrote:
> same thing w/ the non-guitarists in the band gtr. the guitarists moved on,
> but the other guys hit obscurity city.
man, finally SOMEBODY else who knows about this amazing band. as far as
the 2 steve's go (hackett & howe), we all know about them. below are
links to the other 3 GTR bandmembers.
*note* some of the artists that these guys have hooked up with are artists
that we talk about on this list (or that members on this list listen to).
folks just probably never knew they were involved with these projects.
vocalist max bacon
http://www.artistdirect.com/music/artist/appears/0,,399800,00.html
bassist phil spalding
http://www.artistdirect.com/music/artist/appears/0,,495736,00.html
drummer jonathon mover
http://www.artistdirect.com/music/artist/appears/0,,470957,00.html
these guys have all been around, and some of the projects they've worked
on are stylistically VERY differnt from their GTR effort. however, they
all seem to be able to remember their roots as well. :)
hope those links help shed a bit `o light on what they've been up to, &
help educate others on a fine band like GTR
-- Best Regards, Independent Computer Consultant, Eric George -Tech Guru's"The least important things in life get the most appreciation. The most important things in life don't seem to get enough." -me
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:14:31 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: where are they now? Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0311252012190.24600@norge.freeshell.org>
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Trevor Hoit wrote:
> Vocalist Max Bacon sang on some Mike Oldfield songs and just put out a > solo album in 2002, with 5 tracks written by GTR keyboardist Geoffrey > Downes. > Geoffrey Downes has also released several solo cds........
let's not forget about Geoffrey Downes role in the band Asia, also originally featuring guitarist Steve Howe. also, to tie-in the Jobson thread, Wetton relates to Asia as well. but duh, like no one already knew that one.... ;)
-- Best Regards, Independent Computer Consultant, Eric George -Tech Guru's
"The least important things in life get the most appreciation. The most important things in life don't seem to get enough." -me
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:56:52 EST From: Kgahjah1@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: where are they now? Message-ID: <1d6.151bbc06.2cf51c14@aol.com>
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i forgot about downes being in gtr. he was also in the buggles w/ Trevor horn and carl palmer. jacko
remember, it was video that killed the radio star not martha quinn.
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:07:22 EST From: Kgahjah1@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: UK Message-ID: <80.50c9d.2cf51e8a@aol.com>
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wow, i do listen to alot of the music these guys have done. even obscure stuff like heaven 17 and when in rome. can't believe i didn't notice jonathon mover in oleander or fuel. i should read more liner notes. jacko
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:21:42 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: where are they now? Message-ID: <00b001c3b39a$1eed4eb0$9b00a8c0@mizz>
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What's with bands naming themselves after places? So far I know Kansas, UK, Asia, Boston, ummm and I'm sure there are others I can't think of :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric George To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:25 PM Subject: Re: where are they now?
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Trevor Hoit wrote:
> Vocalist Max Bacon sang on some Mike Oldfield songs and just put out a > solo album in 2002, with 5 tracks written by GTR keyboardist Geoffrey > Downes. > Geoffrey Downes has also released several solo cds........
let's not forget about Geoffrey Downes role in the band Asia, also originally featuring guitarist Steve Howe. also, to tie-in the Jobson thread, Wetton relates to Asia as well. but duh, like no one already knew that one.... ;)
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:46:34 +1100 From: George Papadopetros <gp1@unimelb.edu.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Progressiveness Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20031126084447.00b40d10@clyde.its.unimelb.edu.au>
This description reminds me of Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody :-)
At 09:21 PM 24/11/2003 -0800, you wrote: >1. The core of all progressive music is that it "progresses". Meaning that >often the song starts out with one idea which morphs into another, into >another, and finally can end on something altogether different than when you >started. The antithesis of this would be country music where you get the >basic >gist of the music after the first 8 bars. 5. The singer often is classically trained, using his voice much like a musical instrument.
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:26:51 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: where are they now? Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0311252153260.14461@norge.freeshell.org>
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Mike Shetzer wrote:
> What's with bands naming themselves after places? > So far I know Kansas, UK, Asia, Boston, ummm and I'm sure there are others I can't think of :)
What to add here....um..... Chicago, America, Europe, Berlin, Alabama, Little Texas, Nazareth, Big Country (not a particular place, so that may not count..), & Saigon Kick (not just the name of a place, but that could lead to a whole bunch more).
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:18:16 -0500 From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: UK/Eddie Jobson Message-ID: <Law15-F977UJVKji15g000020bf@hotmail.com>
Jobson first backed Ian Anderson on what was to be his solo album but subsequently became another Tull album called "A". He then formed his own "band" called Zinc and released "The Green Album". He was planning to release more color named albums (the Pink Album was next) but it never happened. Jobson was hired to replace Tony Kaye in Yes during the 90125 period. He was acutally IN the "Owner Of A Lonely Heart" video but that was very very brief. You can see him raising his arm during the one keyboard part at the beginning. He then was told he wasn't needed by Yes since Kaye returned. He then wrote some commerical jingles and even released a New Age album called "Theme Of Secrets" which is quite good. That's all I have!
Rob
>From: Kgahjah1@aol.com >Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Subject: Re: UK >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:56:07 -0800 (PST) > >--part1_80.50c9d.2cf51e8a_boundary >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >wow, i do listen to alot of the music these guys have done. >even obscure stuff like heaven 17 and when in rome. >can't believe i didn't notice jonathon mover in oleander or fuel. >i should read more liner notes. >jacko > >--part1_80.50c9d.2cf51e8a_boundary >---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment
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