YTSEJAM Digest 6718
Today's Topics:
1) re: UK
by "Ilia" <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
2) RE: The Way it Used to Be
by "Todd O. Klindt" <todd@klindt.org>
3) Re: The Way it Used to Be
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
4) Re: More TOT
by flail@geheb.com
5) Neil Morse Live
by "Roy Miles" <carne@bellatlantic.net>
6) Re: UK
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
7) Re: Progressiveness
by Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com>
8) RE: The Way it Used to Be
by "Todd O. Klindt" <todd@klindt.org>
9) Just got ToT...
by "Dan Costello" <iluvatar@rochester.rr.com>
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 05:58:57 -0500
From: "Ilia" <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: re: UK
Message-ID: <LJEJLFCHDEEHAGCHOFPHKEAHCBAA.painlessscream@yahoo.com>
>For all the others on the list, let's not forget DT covered UK's "In the
>Dead of Night" at Ronnie Scott's. Too bad that song wasn't chosen as one
>of the covers on ACoS.
Heh, how about Yngwie's cover of In the Dead of Night? ;)
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:33:03 -0600
From: "Todd O. Klindt" <todd@klindt.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: The Way it Used to Be
Message-ID: <00C28D04FA7F95458F8875B411C376E37BFE@Titanium.klindt.org>
I've got an old 112kbs MP3 of it, if you want it. Not the best quality,
but it's yours if you want it.
tk
-----Original Message-----
From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of
Dan Costello
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 8:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: The Way it Used to Be
Anybody know where I can find the tab to this? It's actually one of my
favorite DT songs.
-Dan.
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:55:27 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: The Way it Used to Be
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I have the Hollow Years EP from Japan with the original song on it. But no tab.
----- Original Message -----
From: Todd O. Klindt
To: Multiple recipients of list
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: The Way it Used to Be
I've got an old 112kbs MP3 of it, if you want it. Not the best quality,
but it's yours if you want it.
tk
-----Original Message-----
From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of
Dan Costello
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 8:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: The Way it Used to Be
Anybody know where I can find the tab to this? It's actually one of my
favorite DT songs.
-Dan.
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:33:19 +0000 (GMT)
From: flail@geheb.com
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: More TOT
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.56.0311241624560.32245@darthmaul.geheb.com>
>>[nosey ending of ITNoG]
> lol, JR's NOSE?! stop smoking the crack pipe there... :P
Hehe, no shit - check out the "recording of..." vid on
www.cdkeybonus.com/dreamtheater !
As for Trey Gunns departure, I'm just happy that I got to see
him play with Crimson a couple of weeks ago - most impressive indeed!
Definitely one of the best concerts this year, along with Ephel Duath -
and Opeth's Damnation show... (To Bid You Farewell... ahh, unbeatable!)
Cheers,
Oddvar
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:18:28 -0500
From: "Roy Miles" <carne@bellatlantic.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Neil Morse Live
Message-ID: <001b01c3b2b7$5c792b70$0100a8c0@carnenycjaripj>
I caught Neal Morse (with Mike Portnoy among others) live in Metuchen
last Friday, and I have to say it was a great prog show.. The Christian
stuff went in one ear an out the other.. This is from the perspective of
an atheistic Jew-boy :-) The music was immaculately played, and Portnoy
was his usual bombastic self... I have to say that if Morse decides to
become a "Christian rocker", he'll quickly lose me, but I don't think
that'll happen.. I think that "Testimony" was just his life story, and
finding religion was just part of it...at least that's what I hope,
anyway..
Roy from Brooklyn
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:32:42 EST
From: Kgahjah1@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: UK
Message-ID: <1d4.15274774.2cf3a8ca@aol.com>
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this is off subject, but what the hell ever happened to eddie jobson?
every one else connected w/ the band uk has kept busy and you hear their
names here and there, but i never heard of jobsob again.
same thing w/ the non-guitarists in the band gtr. the guitarists moved on,
but the other guys hit obscurity city.
jacko
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:47:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Progressiveness
Message-ID: <20031124194719.50781.qmail@web10704.mail.yahoo.com>
Questions like this are usually not touched with a ten-foot pole because the
definition of progressive music is so subjective, yet we all pretty much have a
good idea of what progressive music is so why not attempt to define it? I've
been on this list since Awake, so I'll try and do the honors. There's a very
humorous "mock-definition" floating around somewhere that surprisingly is
pretty accurate, if not satirical. Anyway...
1. The core of all progressive music is that it "progresses". Meaning that
often the song starts out with one idea which morphs into another, into
another, and finally can end on something altogether different than when you
started. The antithesis of this would be country music where you get the basic
gist of the music after the first 8 bars.
2. You can't write a good progressive song in 3 1/2 minutes. This is why prog
is almost never on the radio (or is subjected to some pretty heavy radio-edits
to cut it down to a more "digestible" size for radio). Almost all prog songs
are at least 5 minutes and often are between 8 and 12 minutes. The Ivory Gate
of Dreams by Fates Warning and A Change of Seasons by Dream Theater both clock
in at about 20 minutes, while A Pleasant Shade of Grey by Fates Warning is
basically a single song that fits on a 50+ minute album! Yes has their share
of long-ass songs as well, with an album (Tales of Topographic Oceans) that
contains 4 songs, each about 20 minutes in length! Jam-bands like Grateful
Dead and Phish are known for long-ass songs, but it's less about virtuosity and
more about how good the weed is that day. Those guys are
borderline-progressive at best.
3. Speaking of virtuosity, that's another important key. Because the songs are
so complex, it takes special musicians to pull them off. Good progressive
bands often have some of the best musicians on the planet! Robert Fripp, Mark
Zonder, Geddy Lee, Roy Khan, Daniel Gildenlow, Mikael Akerfeldt, Vitalij
Kuprij, Arjen Lucassen and every member of Dream Theater are just the
beginning!
4. I playfully describe progressive music as "The music that comes from a band
that practices too much".
5. The singer often is classically trained, using his voice much like a musical
instrument. Some people think this sounds "80's", but how else are you going
to compete with the kick-ass musicians around you unless you've got major chops
on the vocal end as well? The singer of Puddle of Mudd (basically a one-octave
range) wouldn't know what to do with himself! Because the singers are so
frighteningly gifted and bombastic, it freaks a lot of people out who aren't
used to a frontman also being a... *gasp*... vocalist!!! Frontmen who are bad
singers: David Lee Roth, Anthony Kiedis, Perry Farrell, Les Claypool, Dave
Mustaine, etc. (Obviously this is heavily my opinion only...)
6. The lyrics of a typical progressive song are rarely about sex, drugs and
rock & roll. Nor are they about anti-establishment ideas. Moreover, they're
usually intelligently written, about relationships (won and lost), or have
elements of fantasy, and are usually (but not always) uplifting or
enlightening.
Sometimes etherial or sci-fi in nature, sometimes dark and brooding.
7. 9 out of 10 progressive bands have a full-time keyboard player.
8. Progressive music fans have often been accused of being "musical snobs"
because our standards are so high. We require EVERY musician to kick ass,
EVERY song to be incredibly difficult, and every album to be better than the
last. What's wrong with having high standards?
9. Jokes have been made about prog album covers. Anywhere from strange
amorphic child/animals sunning themselves on geodesic landscapes, to countless
creepy bedrooms, to vague collages of childhood gone awry. "Manly" would not
be a word to describe the typical prog album cover.
10. Despite my poking fun here and there, progressive rock (specifically
prog-metal) is the best music in the world. Period. Any questions???
- Dave (Dr. Teeth) Peterson
--- Nathan J Wilhelm <wilh0038@UMN.EDU> wrote:
> A lot of you have been talking lately about whether TOT is progressive and
> whether FII is progressive. Just out of curiosity, what are your definitions
> of progressive? Someone said that just having complicated time changes is
> not enough. So what is the "official" definition of progressive?
>
> Nate
>
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:14:26 -0600
From: "Todd O. Klindt" <todd@klindt.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: The Way it Used to Be
Message-ID: <00C28D04FA7F95458F8875B411C376E37C02@Titanium.klindt.org>
I didn't even see the word "tab" in there. Sorry.
tk
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From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of
Mike Shetzer
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:59 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: The Way it Used to Be
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I have the Hollow Years EP from Japan with the original song on it. But
no tab.
----- Original Message -----
From: Todd O. Klindt
To: Multiple recipients of list
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: The Way it Used to Be
I've got an old 112kbs MP3 of it, if you want it. Not the best
quality,
but it's yours if you want it.
tk
-----Original Message-----
From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf
Of
Dan Costello
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 8:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: The Way it Used to Be
Anybody know where I can find the tab to this? It's actually one of my
favorite DT songs.
-Dan.
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 00:21:16 -0500
From: "Dan Costello" <iluvatar@rochester.rr.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Just got ToT...
Message-ID: <BOEAJJBDNFPALMNMJONIGEBLCGAA.iluvatar@rochester.rr.com>
First, the cd packaging has a red strip to rip open the celophane. MAJOR
BONUS POINTS!
Some of the best DT cover art ever. This and FII are really friggin cool. No
more floating statues! :-)
Upon first listening...
As I Am:
First thing I notice - whoa, this intro is friggin cool.
Milliseconds later, second thing I notice - hey, there's digital
distortion/clipping all over this thing! :-( First Vapor Trails and now
Train of Thought! :-( :-( :-(
As a whole, the song's pretty decent.
This Dying Soul:
More cool riffing.
I don't like the processing on James' singing in this song. It actually fits
better than his normal vibrato would, but in the grand scheme of vocal
tones, I'm not wild about it.
The "rapping" is okay - more like heavy syncopated screaming. Not wonderful,
but not nearly as bad as the canadian human beat box I was imagining based
upon the complaints I've read.
ok song. It's cool for upbeat background music for driving or working out.
The solo was a total wankfest, but this was the grandaddy of wankfests.
Jeez'm that was fast!
Endless Sacrifice:
More digital distortion. :-(
One of jordan's patches sounds very fuzzy, adding to the distorted sound.
:-(
I wasn't paying attention to most of the middle part. Nothing really stood
out at me, though.
Honor Thy Father:
Riffage is cool, but everything's starting to sound the same.
Vacant:
Good music - some elements very reminiscent of SFAM. Crappy lyrics - also
reminiscent of SFAM? :-). Overall, a nice change of pace from the
All-loud-all-the-time feel of the first 4 tracks
Stream of Consciousness:
My favorite tune so far. Interesting changes, dynamics and solo breaks. Also
VERY reminiscent of SFAM.
In the Name of God:
Wankfest galore. ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz
Waiting on 2nd listen...
-Dan.
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