YTSEJAM Digest 6774
Today's Topics:
1) Selling out?
by Snarncymbl@aol.com
2) RE: premium seating
by "Dan Costello" <iluvatar@rochester.rr.com>
3) Ticket Prices
by "Neil Evans" <progmtl@verizon.net>
4) Re: DT hasn't sold out
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
5) Re: DT sells out to the richie riches
by "Nathan Wilhelm" <wilh0038@umn.edu>
6) Re: DT sells out to the richie riches
by DTimagesandwords@aol.com
7) DT sells out to the richie riches
by "Trevor Hoit" <trevorhoit@comcast.net>
8) RE: DT sells out to the richie riches
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
9) Re: Ticket Prices
by Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
10) Re: Ticket Prices
by Andrew Coutermarsh <andrew@acvox.com>
11) Re: Ticket Prices
by Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
12) Re: Ticket Prices
by Andrew Coutermarsh <andrew@acvox.com>
13) Re: Ticket Prices
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
14) Re: new products
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:35:15 EST
From: Snarncymbl@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Selling out?
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I happen to disagree with all of you. For one thing, this is a great idea. I
mean, I'm not rich but I would pay all that money to meet Dream Theater. Sure,
they usually do it anyway (Well, not here in Dallas, Texas) but for those of
us who they don't do it for it is a big treat.
Dream Theater has always been loyal to its fans and listened to what they had
to say. And MP obviously felt the same way everyone else did. They have
always been the Fans' Band, meaning that they do everything for the fans and not
for the money. He said himself they weren't getting money, as is the case with
promotional packages like this.
I say get off their back. They are just as discomforted by the idea of
"selling out" (as you all would say) and it wasn't their idea. You have no idea what
goes on inside the heads of promoters. They are very greedy people
(Promoters, not the band). Let the Promoters do what they want and let Dream Theater
entertain us (as is their only concern with this concert, not making a ton of
money). They want to show us a great time and if the money made with packages
will give a greater show (lights, effects, ect.) then let them do it. The better
the show, the more reason that Dream Theater is the greatest show of all time.
Art Fernandez
Dallas,Texas
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:43:55 -0500
From: "Dan Costello" <iluvatar@rochester.rr.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: premium seating
Message-ID: <BOEAJJBDNFPALMNMJONIAEFPCGAA.iluvatar@rochester.rr.com>
I wonder what the prices for tickets in rows 31+ are going to be. Two or the
last three DT concerts I've been to, I've been in the 5th row because I
bought tickets right when they went on sale. It's nice being that close, but
it ain't worth $100 a piece, even considering the fact that it includes an
ugly $40 t-shirt. (let's be honest folks, most of the DT shirts are stupid
looking, including the 6DOIT baseball jersey I bought)
Meet-n-Greet ain't worth $250 either.
-Dan.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:02:02 -0500
From: "Neil Evans" <progmtl@verizon.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Ticket Prices
Message-ID: <000f01c3e094$1c92a4e0$0200a8c0@athlon>
Wow, what a bunch of whining we have on here lately. Last I noticed DT
doesn't own any of you a damn thing.
They're playing some shows. There is a tiered pricing model for premium
seats, with plenty of seats left over (beyond row 30) for "normal"
prices. You can choose to pay at any of the price levels you want - or
not.
So what exactly is the problem? You want to have your cake (good seats)
and eat it too (low price)?
Whether DT is making any extra $$ on this is irrelevant. They (and
their management and anyone else involved in putting on the tour) are
entitled to charge whatever the hell they want, and you have the power
to pay or not. Vote with your wallet.
-Neil.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:16:27 -0800
From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: DT hasn't sold out
Message-ID: <BC34808B.7C71%schansen@cts.com>
Further info on the costly pre-sale ticket packages, for those of you
bashers (as posted by "Vapor Trails" on MP's website):
I've been one of the most vocal people against this policy since I first
heard about it last night and now I have more facts.
I sent an e-mail directly to MP earlier today, not expecting any response
other than the typical canned response and got something entirely different
back.
This evening Frank Solomon, Dream Theater's manager sent me back an e-mail
requesting contact info because MP had forwarded my e-mail to him and was
concerned. I just now got off the phone with Mr. Solomon and will relay some
pertenant facts about the conversation.
#1. There are only 20 Platinum packages per show! 4 seats in each of the
first 5 rows. The rest of the seats in the front 5 rows ARE in the general
ticket pool!
IMO this was probably their biggest mistake, NOT relaying this information
to us earlier. Had I known it was only 20 tickets per show in the front
area, I would have not getten NEARLY as upset as I was this morning.
#2. Everything that is going on is with the fans in mind. I believe this now
more than ever after this telephone call. Mr. Solomon was very candid during
our conversation and I do believe that he along with the band had the best
of intentions when trying to figure out a way to pay for the new visual
show. Plus, this gives people who normally wouldnt have a chance to get into
a meet and greet the perfect opprotunity.
#3. According to Mr. Solomon there are roughly 100 of the gold and bronze
packages available to each show. So there are still LOTS of great seats in
the general ticket pool available to the rest of us.
I want to applaud MP for taking the time to forward this letter to Mr.
Solomon and thank Mr. Solomon for taking the time to call me and listen to
me gripe for a few minutes before explaining the whole situation.
I did tell him that they should have posted the fact that Platinum packages
are limited to 20 per show... that would have sofened the blow CONSIDERABLY
had we known this in advance.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:33:19 -0600
From: "Nathan Wilhelm" <wilh0038@umn.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: DT sells out to the richie riches
Message-ID: <000d01c3e098$7b904890$0f00a8c0@nathanhome>
I think they might figure it out after the first few shows have empty first
16 rows. Do they really think they can find five rows of people willing to
pay $250? I doubt it.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:53:20 EST
From: DTimagesandwords@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: DT sells out to the richie riches
Message-ID: <48.26fa9226.2d40a330@aol.com>
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> do they have some sort of brown package? you know, for
> the dedicated fans like me that don't have shit in their bank
> accounts.
>=A0=A0i hope this is a joke because i personally think it's f*cked
>=A0=A0up to be charging for things they did for free on the last tour.
Me wants to PUKE !!!!!! I think that it is way cool to try to get dedicated
fans into the better seats but WHAT THE FUCK !!!! Nice to know that they ba
nd
supposedly "isn't getting any coin out of this". Hope they enjoy getting th
e
shit for it.
Signed, Marky Mark who through most of the 90s used to love this band .... :
(
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:54:45 -0800
From: "Trevor Hoit" <trevorhoit@comcast.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: DT sells out to the richie riches
Message-ID: <006a01c3e0ac$3d90c380$05d01018@attbi.com>
>Wtf?? It's not April 1 in some other time zone, is it? Are they doing
this
>for many shows on the tour?
Not all of them. The funny thing is that in theatres with open floor
seating,
the $250 dollar seats are in the BALCONY!
Trevor
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:19:08 +1100
From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: DT sells out to the richie riches
Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMCECPDDAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
I guess they're flogging off the meet & greet more than the seats, then.
It's certainly not so bad now that it's revealed that it's only a small
portion of the good seating going. Of course the band and promoters can
charge what they want for the seats, but going from first come, first serve,
best seats to fattest wallet, best seats is always going to piss people off.
So I'm glad that the initial impressions were mistaken.
Of course, having said that, if DT came to Australia, I'd lay down $250 US
for a back row ticket, no second thoughts :P
Niall
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of
> Trevor Hoit
> Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2004 5:16 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: DT sells out to the richie riches
>
>
>
>
> >Wtf?? It's not April 1 in some other time zone, is it? Are they doing
> this
> >for many shows on the tour?
> Not all of them. The funny thing is that in theatres with open floor
> seating,
> the $250 dollar seats are in the BALCONY!
> Trevor
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:45:44 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Ticket Prices
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0401220840350.18422-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Neil Evans wrote:
> Wow, what a bunch of whining we have on here lately. Last I noticed DT
> doesn't own any of you a damn thing.
Last I noticed nobody said they did.
> Whether DT is making any extra $$ on this is irrelevant. They (and
> their management and anyone else involved in putting on the tour) are
> entitled to charge whatever the hell they want, and you have the power
> to pay or not. Vote with your wallet.
Obviously they're entitled to do whatever they want. Thanks for that grand
philosophical elucidation, you're a regular Nietzsche. Guess what? Anyone
else is entitled to state their opinion of said action.
So what was the point of your post again? Oh yeah, there wasn't one...
I hardly think it's whining to call "bullshit" on a money grab, no matter
where the money is going. A light show? Whoopee, it ain't exactly the
Salvation Army. Color me unimpressed. I'd rather see 'em use some energy
on remembering how to write decent songs than cooking up schemes to play
for a cheesy stage show (face it, as someone said in reference to their
t-shirts already, everything DT does outside of the music is pure swiss).
-Brian
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:05:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <andrew@acvox.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Ticket Prices
Message-ID: <20040122100403.H37986@samurai.ruin.org>
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Brian Hayden wrote:
> I'd rather see 'em use some energy on remembering how to write decent
> songs than cooking up schemes to play for a cheesy stage show[.]
Absolute brilliance, Brian.
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Email Address: andrew at acvox dot com
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:43:29 +0000
From: Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Ticket Prices
Message-ID: <40106021.6080807@antgel.co.uk>
Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
>On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Brian Hayden wrote:
>
>
>
>>I'd rather see 'em use some energy on remembering how to write decent
>>songs than cooking up schemes to play for a cheesy stage show[.]
>>
>>
>
>Absolute brilliance, Brian.
>
>
>
Well yeah but a little flippant as well. It's not as if they sit there
thinking, "hmm, let's not write decent songs so we can concentrate on
the lighting".
FWIW, the lighting and other visual aspects of the show were great.
It's great to see the band do well enough that they can even think about
these things.
T
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:08:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <andrew@acvox.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Ticket Prices
Message-ID: <20040122110529.W39810@samurai.ruin.org>
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Antony Gelberg wrote:
> > > I'd rather see 'em use some energy on remembering how to write
> > > decent songs than cooking up schemes to play for a cheesy stage
> > > show[.]
> >
> > Absolute brilliance, Brian.
>
> Well yeah but a little flippant as well. It's not as if they sit there
> thinking, "hmm, let's not write decent songs so we can concentrate on
> the lighting".
Of course it's flippant. It's Brian. But it has very little to do with
whether it's intentional or not; they may not CHOOSE to write poor songs
in exchange for a better light show, but I think what Brian's really
saying is that it doesn't matter how good the show is if the music sucks.
I couldn't agree more.
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Andrew Coutermarsh - http://www.acvox.com/
Email Address: andrew at acvox dot com
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:49:52 -0800
From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Ticket Prices
Message-ID: <20040122174952.GA6669@zero>
0. Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu> farted:
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Neil Evans wrote:
>
> Salvation Army. Color me unimpressed. I'd rather see 'em use some energy
> on remembering how to write decent songs than cooking up schemes to play
> for a cheesy stage show (face it, as someone said in reference to their
> t-shirts already, everything DT does outside of the music is pure swiss).
Stop blaming Jordan already...
;p
> -Brian
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:06:14 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: new products Message-ID: <20040122180614.65634.qmail@web13125.mail.yahoo.com>
Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu> wrote:
> I always thought it was cool that they did that, without charging for it like KISS would. sigh. <
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