YTSEJAM Digest 6827
Today's Topics:
1) misc
by "Dan Costello" <iluvatar@rochester.rr.com>
2) LA show recorded?
by "Norm Jensen" <normjensen@hotmail.com>
3) Free speech
by Steve Chew <schew@interzone.com>
4) the US of A
by "Robert B. Wells" <surrealer@earthlink.net>
5) Re: DVDs @ DeepDiscountDVD
by "Rick Rosinski" <rick@rosinski.com>
6) Re: misc
by "Rick Rosinski" <rick@rosinski.com>
7) Re: misc
by Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
8) Re: misc
by WB Henderson <LycanthropicEye@comcast.net>
9) Re: misc
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
10) Re: WDaDU live, setlists
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
11) Re: misc
by "Rick Rosinski" <rick@rosinski.com>
12) Re: throwing (up) drumsticks ;-)
by "Rick Rosinski" <rick@rosinski.com>
13) Re: misc
by Adam Perkowsky <perk1994@yahoo.com>
14) RE: misc
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:02:01 -0500
From: "Dan Costello" <iluvatar@rochester.rr.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: misc
Message-ID: <BOEAJJBDNFPALMNMJONIAEMECGAA.iluvatar@rochester.rr.com>
>"A horrific occurrence happened at the end of the show when a fan fell
>from the balcony while reaching for a drum head thrown out by MP. As a
>result, this show marks the last time drum sticks or heads will be thrown
>into the audience."
What a dumbass. Not Mike, but the guy who reached that far for it and the
people who pushed him from behind, if there were any. People are friggin
insane when it comes to stuff like this. I tried to catch a drumstick once
and nearly got trampled by half a dozen people. What the heck is wrong with
people.
Coincidentally, I later went to a Portnoy drum clinic, won a pair of sticks
as a door prize, and had him sign them. All I had to do was stand in line.
>> oh baloney. The first ammendment was designed to protect political
speech,
>> not the broadcasting over public airways of detailed descriptions and
>> depictions of expliclty sexual acts by morning radio personalities. If
you
>> want access to public debauchery on the public airways, then just say so.
>> Don't mask it behind some fallacious claiim of first ammendment rights.
>
>If you don't like it turn it off, I'm sure there is someone who does. Its
>called freedom of choice, no one is forcing you to watch it. Plus cable is
>subscribed to, that is brought in to the house by choice.
I'm not talking about cable. I'm talking about public broadcast. If you want
to put it on cable, XM, or any other subscription service, go ahead.
>> If you were that concerned about the first ammendment, you'd be out their
>> pinching a fit about the advertising restrictions in the McCain-Feingold
>> campaing finance bill.
>
>Any restricitons on the media are bad.
>
>> bzzt... wrong. Speech, just like all other rights, is not toally free.
>
>Which is totally wrong and against all natural human rights.
Really? Slander/libel laws are bad? Laws against unneccessarily inducing
public hysteria/riots are bad? (the old "shouting fire in a theater"
standard). False advertising/fraud laws are bad?
>> regulated, and with good reason. Broadcast airways are owned AND
REGULATED
>> by the public.
>
>Yeah, NOT the government
The government is the representative agent of the people. (in theory
anyways) That's why when you see criminal trials, alot of times it's "The
people vs Joe Blow."
>> Regulation covers not only bandwith and other technical
>> concerns, but also content. Just like any Joe Blow can't go set up a 1MW
>> transmitter in his back yard, he also can't go swearing up a storm once
he
>> does get on air.
>
>Which is not a good thing
Which part isn't good? That he can't set up a MW transmitter or that he
can't swear, or both? Regarding the transmitter, what happens when two
people want to broadcast on the same frequency?
>Government is for three purposes only.
>
>1. Provide for the common defense
>2. Provide a framework for (inter)national trade
>3. Provide a framework for national law, to be approved and implemented by
>each individual state.
FCC rules would fall under #3.
>Anything else is the government being bloated and power-hungry, and maybe
>just maybe the reason for out $6 trillion dollar national debt, and our
>slumping economy due to the fact the gold standard has been tossed out the
>window
I'm not gonna argue that the government is lean and efficient, but not
everything it does is bad.
-Dan.
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:22:37 +0000
From: "Norm Jensen" <normjensen@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: LA show recorded?
Message-ID: <BAY16-F27xQlsas8RJd00018872@hotmail.com>
>Has anyone heard whether the show in LA where WDADU was played in its
>entirety was recorded? I know there have been rumors for years that DT was
>going to rerecord all those songs with James and better production. Is it
>possible that they will release a live cd of this instead of a studio
>rerecording? Just curious if anyone a little more in the know than me has
>heard anything.
I purchased the platinum package for the Minneapolis show and backstage I
asked Mike if the LA show had been recorded. He said that all the shows are
being recorded. I then asked if they planned on releasing all of them like
Metallica is doing now with their current tour. He answered that they are
talking to their manager about that possibility. No plans for the immediate
future though.
Norm
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:12:24 -0500
From: Steve Chew <schew@interzone.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Free speech
Message-ID: <20040325201224.GB28101@interzone.com>
>
>>1) Oppose Infringement on the First Amendment (via ACLU)
>>Instead of letting each of us choose what we want to watch and hear,
>>Congress is moving quickly to require large fines on indecent
>>content. This economic censorship would dramatically infringe on the
>>First Amendment and would hinder the diversity of programming available
>>to consumers.
>
>oh baloney. The first ammendment was designed to protect political speech,
>not the broadcasting over public airways of detailed descriptions and
>depictions of expliclty sexual acts by morning radio personalities. If you
>want access to public debauchery on the public airways, then just say so.
>Don't mask it behind some fallacious claiim of first ammendment rights.
>
The first amendment was most certainly not designed to *only*
protect political speech. Read it. It is directly concerned with
freedom of expression through religion, the media ("the press"), and
speech in general. The supreme court has affirmed the idea that the
first amendment applies to all kinds of speech over and over again --
look up examples like the overturning of the ban of "The Catcher in
the Rye," allowing the sale of magazines like Playboy, overturning
the Communications Decency Act, and so on.
Read the Federalist Papers for some really interesting insights
into how much thought went into the founding principles of the
US government.
>If you were that concerned about the first ammendment, you'd be out their
>pinching a fit about the advertising restrictions in the McCain-Feingold
>campaing finance bill.
>
The courts have allowed some impositions on speech (e.g. can't
yell "fire" in a crowded theater, obscenity with no artistic or other
merit is not permitted), though it's not yet clear that they will allow
this particular one.
The first amendment is particularly important when protecting
speech that is not liked by everybody (e.g. indecent speech). There is
no need to protect speech which everyone likes after all.
Steve
P.S. In case you can't find it here is the text of the first amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,
and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:25:58 -0700
From: "Robert B. Wells" <surrealer@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: the US of A
Message-ID: <a05100300bc890a7de600@[24.206.117.208]>
Cheers, Gervois. If you think this place is amusing based simply on
what makes your region's international news, you should try living
here. Funny every day.
-- Robert B. Wells surrealer@earthlink.net that which does not kill us only serves to make us stranger------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:19:47 -0500 From: "Rick Rosinski" <rick@rosinski.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: DVDs @ DeepDiscountDVD Message-ID: <077001c412b7$4ffde150$6601a8c0@amd1>
> i checked most of these items on digitaleyesdvd, & they only cost a buck > more than at DD. plus, i've NEVER had a problem getting what i wanted, & > getting it FAST. deffinetly worth it, & no, i'm not getting a finder's > fee from digitaleyes.... ;)
I think I'm gonna have to give DigitalEyes.net a try. Thanks for the tip!
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:20:53 -0500 From: "Rick Rosinski" <rick@rosinski.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: misc Message-ID: <077a01c412b7$73048e10$6601a8c0@amd1>
> >"A horrific occurrence happened at the end of the show when a fan fell > >from the balcony while reaching for a drum head thrown out by MP. As a > >result, this show marks the last time drum sticks or heads will be thrown > >into the audience."
Personally, this seems like an overreaction to me. They've been throwing drumsticks out for what, 15-20 years, and now that this has happened ONCE, they aren't going to do it again?
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 00:23:21 +0000 From: Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: misc Message-ID: <20040326002321.GB6336@brain.pulsesol.com>
On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 02:56:01PM -0800, Rick Rosinski wrote: > > > >"A horrific occurrence happened at the end of the show when a fan fell > > >from the balcony while reaching for a drum head thrown out by MP. As a > > >result, this show marks the last time drum sticks or heads will be thrown > > >into the audience." > > Personally, this seems like an overreaction to me. They've been throwing > drumsticks out for what, 15-20 years, and now that this has happened ONCE, > they aren't going to do it again?
I like it, I think it shows respect for the fans. It's an overreaction, and is purely symbolic (cymbolic?) but this is prog rock after all. Drumsticks are great (and I have two <gloat>), but nothing compared to the health of this fan. That's totally gut-wrenching.
T
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:58:37 -0500 From: WB Henderson <LycanthropicEye@comcast.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: misc Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20040325194356.027925a8@mail.comcast.net>
Anthony Gelburg wrote:
>I like it, I think it shows respect for the fans. It's an overreaction, >and is purely symbolic (cymbolic?) but this is prog rock after all. >Drumsticks are great (and I have two <gloat>), but nothing compared to >the health of this fan. That's totally gut-wrenching.
It seems to me making a call like this speaks more for the band expecting the fanbase to behave like a bunch of idiots (valid enough in this case).
No more DT drum offal doesn't bother me. Hell, I wouldn't mind it if bands in general stopped throwing that crap out. Some of them seem like they're trying to bean audience members on purpose. Friend of mine caught a line drive about a half-inch underneath his eye courtesy of Agalloch's drummer. I saw Raven's drummer, at Powermad several years back, totally nail some poor dude up front for reasons unknown. Keep yer damn sticks to yourselves!
Brian
[NP...Iced Earth - s/t]
============================================= WB Henderson [LycanthropicEye@comcast.net] =============================================
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:42:01 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: misc Message-ID: <004301c412d3$88d6e280$9b00a8c0@mizz>
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Why don't they just NOT throw them at the top row balcony people? ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Rosinski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 5:56 PM Subject: Re: misc
> >"A horrific occurrence happened at the end of the show when a fan fell > >from the balcony while reaching for a drum head thrown out by MP. As a > >result, this show marks the last time drum sticks or heads will be thrown > >into the audience."
Personally, this seems like an overreaction to me. They've been throwing drumsticks out for what, 15-20 years, and now that this has happened ONCE, they aren't going to do it again?
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:56:41 -0800 From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: WDaDU live, setlists Message-ID: <BC88C78F.89F3%schansen@cts.com>
> Has anyone heard whether the show in LA where WDADU was played in its > entirety was recorded? I know there have been rumors for years that DT was > going to rerecord all those songs with James and better production. Is it > possible that they will release a live cd of this instead of a studio > rerecording? Just curious if anyone a little more in the know than me has > heard anything.
I spoke with MP after that show and he said that it was in fact taped on multi-track *and* video for future release. Whether it will be from Elektra or via Ytsejam Records was not made clear to me, nor whether the audio and/or the video would be released. I'd wager that it will probably be through Ytsejam Records.
>> Anyone else have any set lists for this leg of the tour. I am trying to > > isn't there a thread at the MP forum at mikeportnoy.com that posts set > lists? i did the same thing recently for a ``first timer'' going with > me next week. but i just handed him basically the entire catalog, > including my fanclub CDs. he's quite a lot of homework :-)
There's an official thread stickied to the top of MP's message board that I'm maintaining, and of course there is also the tourography that can be found both on MP's website, as well as the Lines in the Sand website.
Scott
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:56:03 -0500 From: "Rick Rosinski" <rick@rosinski.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: misc Message-ID: <008a01c412dd$ecff4040$6601a8c0@amd1>
> I like it, I think it shows respect for the fans. It's an overreaction, > and is purely symbolic (cymbolic?) but this is prog rock after all. > Drumsticks are great (and I have two <gloat>), but nothing compared to > the health of this fan. That's totally gut-wrenching.
Yeah, but why penalize everyone else who'd like a chance at a drumstick (and can act reasonably and safely) for one idiot?
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:56:49 -0500 From: "Rick Rosinski" <rick@rosinski.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: throwing (up) drumsticks ;-) Message-ID: <009a01c412de$081107b0$6601a8c0@amd1>
> Why don't they just NOT throw them at the top row balcony people?
An even BETTER question!
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:37:31 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Perkowsky <perk1994@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: misc Message-ID: <20040326033731.79380.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com>
Hey everyone,
--- Rick Rosinski <rick@rosinski.com> wrote: > > I like it, I think it shows respect for the fans. > It's an overreaction, > > and is purely symbolic (cymbolic?) but this is > prog rock after all. > > Drumsticks are great (and I have two <gloat>), but > nothing compared to > > the health of this fan. That's totally > gut-wrenching. > > Yeah, but why penalize everyone else who'd like a > chance at a drumstick (and > can act reasonably and safely) for one idiot?
Because it's just a fucking drumstick/drumhead and something nobody should be injured over. Next time, maybe someone gets seriously hurt. Or next time MP and DT get sued because someone breaks an arm or leg in the melee to grab a drumstick.
It's just a fucking drumstick. As William Shatner once said: Get a life!
Adam Perkowsky
==== "It's such a fine line between stupid and... clever" -- David St. Hubbins & Derek Smalls, Spinal Tap
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 20:40:32 +1100 From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: misc Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMIECODEAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
Exactly. May as well either hand them out after the show or give the first <x> people to get in the door a "claim one drumstick after the show" pass. Sure, it's not as fun, but I can understand MP would have no desire for people to hurt themselves clambering over his drumsticks.
Niall
> -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Adam Perkowsky > Sent: Friday, 26 March 2004 2:59 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: misc > > Because it's just a fucking drumstick/drumhead and > something nobody should be injured over. Next time, > maybe someone gets seriously hurt. Or next time MP and > DT get sued because someone breaks an arm or leg in > the melee to grab a drumstick. > > It's just a fucking drumstick. As William Shatner once > said: Get a life! > > Adam Perkowsky
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