YTSEJAM digest 362

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    Re: GC references (and DT too) ("Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>)
    Re: A Woman Speaks! (smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield))
    Re: RE: Progressive metal (smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield))
    Other mailing lists (Big Dog <pdaugher@bdmserver>)
    Re: YTSEJAM unsubscribe (terry kroetsch f <tkroetsc@mach1.wlu.ca>)
    Re: A Woman Speaks! (greg@hal.tor.canisc.ibm.com (Greg "Big Brother" Lee))
    Re: BOOTS!!! ("Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>)
    Re: digest,etc. ("Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>)
    ACOS and DOE (Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>)
    Questions about some rare DT stuff. (hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>)
    Re: YTSEJAM digest 361 (Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>)
    one more thing (Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>)
    RE: GC references (and DT too) (amg0033@v2.qub.ac.uk)
    Re: RE: Progressive metal (amg0033@v2.qub.ac.uk)

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    Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 00:09:36 -0600 (CST)
    From: "Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>
    Subject: Re: GC references (and DT too)

    I'm also recieving the KISSARMY mailing list (joy), and I'm going to join
    recording.audio.pro.

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    According to the circle of fifths, and the pattern of sharps and flats:
    If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (i.e,
    a,a#,b,c,c#...g#,h,i,j,etc) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4
    sharps. Eric Moegling gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu
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    On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Andrew Cloninger wrote:

    > For those who had posted wondering about it, i noticed that there is a
    > movie by the title of "About Mrs. Leslie" I could post a short synopsis
    > of it ...for those who might be seeking enlightenment concerning that song.
    >
    > on the DT front, i found myself noticing postings on various mailing
    > lists, from people connect with other lists that didnt seem at ALL
    > connected. How many of you out there subscribe to the ML of a group that
    > might not have anything in common with DT? In my case, i also belong to
    > Echoes/Pink Floyd(when its up), Alan Parsons Project, Enya and Steely
    > Dan. Anyone else?
    >
    > Andrew
    > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    > This area under construction |
    > Watch for dropping hints |
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    >
    >
    >

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    Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 06:23:54 -0500 (EST)
    From: smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield)
    Subject: Re: A Woman Speaks!

    > Personally, I feel that women liking Dt are really cool. I see nothing
    > wrong with it just like I see nothing wrong with men liking let's say
    > classical music (although most men would be looked down upon by other
    > men for doing so; it's just a stereotype though). Well, that's just

    Well, fine! But I'm not getting rid of any of my Rymskii-Korsakov just
    for you!!! 8-)

    > my thoughts about the subject. I feel as though I can communicate with
    > a woman more easily if she can relate to my musical likings.
    > later, gary

    Steve Mansfield | Once you're touched you stand alone to face the bitter fight
    smm@uunet.uu.net | Once I reached for love but now I reach for life.
    Dream Theater - Learning to Live

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    Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 06:31:04 -0500 (EST)
    From: smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield)
    Subject: Re: RE: Progressive metal

    > What are Saviour Machine, Savatage, and Sacred Warrior like? I'm looking for
    > more progressive music (still can't find Magellan); any pointers are
    > welcome. Also, what is the newsgroup address for prog?

    Savatage is the only one I can reply to here. I really like them.
    They're a very diverse band, in the sense that DT is diverse, being very
    heavy at times, and then very melodic and playing a number of ballads as
    well. I have 4 of their albums, "Streets, a Rock Opera," "Hall of the
    Mountain King,", their latest "Edge of Thorns," and a best-of type album.
    I like all of these very much. The last album has a new singer, and
    their original guitarist died late last year in an automobile accident.
    The latest rumor is that Alex Skolnik is going to replace him.
    Hopefully, if true, he'll be able to fill in the songwriting hole that
    Chris' death created. In any case, I would highly recommend giving them
    a listen.

    Steve Mansfield | Once you're touched you stand alone to face the bitter fight
    smm@uunet.uu.net | Once I reached for love but now I reach for life.
    Dream Theater - Learning to Live

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    Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 08:52:58 -0500 (EST)
    From: Big Dog <pdaugher@bdmserver>
    Subject: Other mailing lists

    Other mailing lists that I am on, they have nothing in common
    with DT, are KISS and Def Leppard.

    Also, when you reply to a large post with a couple of lines
    can you trim down the original article? There is nothing more
    annoying than reading the same huge article over and over and over
    again.

    Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com
    "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater

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    Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 08:41:49 -0400 (EDT)
    From: terry kroetsch f <tkroetsc@mach1.wlu.ca>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM unsubscribe

    unsubscribe

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    Date: Fri, 1 Apr 94 14:02:49 EST
    From: greg@hal.tor.canisc.ibm.com (Greg "Big Brother" Lee)
    Subject: Re: A Woman Speaks!

    > Personally, I feel that women liking Dt are really cool. I see nothing
    > wrong with it just like I see nothing wrong with men liking let's say
    > classical music (although most men would be looked down upon by other

    Personally, I love classical music. What can I say, I like the extremes!
    Metal, and classical...give me DT any day, but at the same time, just after
    I crank Metropolis to full blast, I don't mind cranking up a little Vivaldi
    and rocking to Four Seasons!

    > men for doing so; it's just a stereotype though). Well, that's just
    > my thoughts about the subject. I feel as though I can communicate with
    > a woman more easily if she can relate to my musical likings.

    Of course you can...it gives you something more to talk about that the usual
    drivel that comes out of your mouth.

    Later!

    Greg.

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    Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 23:33:24 -0600 (CST)
    From: "Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>
    Subject: Re: BOOTS!!!

    No prob dude!!! I'm going to check up on it tomorrow, and see what it
    consists of. I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure it was diminsion shift.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    According to the circle of fifths, and the pattern of sharps and flats:
    If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (i.e,
    a,a#,b,c,c#...g#,h,i,j,etc) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4
    sharps. Eric Moegling gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu
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    On Thu, 31 Mar 1994, Michael Bahr wrote:

    > > For anyone interested, I can get Skyway of Nightmares and Diminsion
    > > shift. The guy I get boots from ordered them, thinking that I'd want
    > > them, but I don't. These are new CD's, and I told him that since he
    > > ordered them, I'd try to get rid of them for him. The cost will be $25
    > > plus whatever it costs to ship a CD these days (probably a dollar or so).
    > > Anyone interested, please E-MAIL me (the adress is in my SIG)!!! Later
    > > fellow DT fans!!!
    >
    > When you get Dimension Shift,PLEASE let us at Ytse know all about
    > it! I didn't get much info on it at all when I was compiling input for
    > the discography.
    >
    > Mike/garion@indirect.com/belar@aol.com/king@citadel.gov.riva
    >
    >

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    Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 23:34:41 -0600 (CST)
    From: "Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>
    Subject: Re: digest,etc.

    Alright!!! More Women on the net. Is this COOL or what!!!???

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    According to the circle of fifths, and the pattern of sharps and flats:
    If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (i.e,
    a,a#,b,c,c#...g#,h,i,j,etc) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4
    sharps. Eric Moegling gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu
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    On Thu, 31 Mar 1994, Stacie Rosenzweig wrote:

    > Two things:
    > First, how do I change from digest to mail form? I know this has been
    > answered before, but I didn't need the info then. I've tried sending a help
    > message, but that didn't do much good (the message only said how to get the
    > digest, but not the mail, form)
    > Second, I'm another female on this list. There are some female DT/Prog-rock
    > fans (the concert was pretty mixed, but it was "free" with Summerfest
    > admission, so I don't know how many women were there because they liked DT
    > and how many were there because it was something to do). We're out here --
    > somewhere.
    >
    > Stacie
    >

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    Date: Sat, 2 Apr 1994 00:43:30 -0500 (EST)
    From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
    Subject: ACOS and DOE

    Okay, about whether DOE is soundboard or audience, I think it's
    definitely soundboard, and the reason it's so well produced is this:
    they planned on releasing it.

    Remember last summer when "A Change of Seasons" (Live) was scheduled to
    be released on August 17? I think DOE is the concert they were planning
    to use for that. The release was probably cancelled because they didn't
    think the performance was good enough.

    Anyway, that's what I think about the thing...

    -max
    .................................................
    "Women. Can't live with 'em, pass the beer nuts."

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    Date: Sat, 2 Apr 1994 00:44:36 -0500 (EST)
    From: hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
    Subject: Questions about some rare DT stuff.

    I have some kinda rare DT stuff on tape and was wondering if anyone
    knows much about them, or could they find out.

    Here goes...
    1. On the tape of Wanted Dead or Alive..
        a) Who is singing? Chris Collins?
        b) Who(m) is making the Beavis and Butthead type comments in the back?

    2. On O Holy Night...
        a) Charlie Dominici ( I'm pretty sure ) sings most of it but who
           does the second (3rd?) verse. I don't think that it is John P.
           Maybe its Kevin...

    3. Who sings Golden Slumbers? Chris Collins?

    Who else likes the song Don't Look Past Me? I really like it. I like the
    version that Chris Cintron does. I also like the studio version of
    Change of Season with him singing.

    Is it just me or is John Arch the worst singer in the world? I've never heard
    him with Fates Warning but from the few songs on the DT singer audition tapes,
    he sounds like a real joke. It sounds like he was trying to be awful on
    purpose.

    The Terry Brown remixs of Status Seeker and Afterlife sound incredible!
    They sound like a different band!! I hope that he is doing the next album.
    I can't wait for some new DT!!!!!!!

    Well that enough for now....

    See ya all!

    **************************************************************************
    * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu *
    * *
    * Find all you need in your mind, if you Take the Time - Dream Theater *
    **************************************************************************

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    Date: Sat, 2 Apr 1994 05:22:14 -0500 (EST)
    From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 361

    > I got word from a local Wherehouse store (a chain of audio/video
    > stores in the western U.S.) that they expect a new album by Dream Theater
    > to be on the shelves in three weeks. Joy!!!!!!!!

    Pull the other one.

    -max
    .................................................
    "Women. Can't live with 'em, pass the beer nuts."

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    Date: Sat, 2 Apr 1994 05:28:33 -0500 (EST)
    From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
    Subject: one more thing

    > ...As for the band, they are currently writing and
    > rehearsing for the new album. They met with a few producers last
    > week, but they have not yet decided who will produce this next
    > album. I was lucky enough to hear some of the new material: One new
    > song is a ten minute epic very much in the DT tradition and another
    > is an acoustic piece that might be part of a trilogy of sorts... "

    A trilogy of sorts...hmm, Metropolis part 2, maybe? I don't know, it
    hadn't occurred to me until a few weeks ago that there might be more
    than 2 parts...

    -max
    .................................................
    "Women. Can't live with 'em, pass the beer nuts."

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    Date: Sat, 02 Apr 1994 12:14:12 EST
    From: amg0033@v2.qub.ac.uk
    Subject: RE: GC references (and DT too)

    > For those who had posted wondering about it, i noticed that there is a
    > movie by the title of "About Mrs. Leslie" I could post a short synopsis
    > of it ...for those who might be seeking enlightenment concerning that song.

    yeah please do!!!..... still don`t know if the guys based it on that film
    though....
    anyway those interested in the Galactic Cowboys, Metal CD had this to say...
    Take a 4 way collision, of Metallica, Dream Theater, Faith No More and The
    Beatles and plug into the National Grid. Confused?. You should be... The
    Galactic Cowboys manage to pack more creativity into one song than many
    bands manage in a career.... It then went to talk about specific songs...
    I think Space In Your Face is awesome, though the first is good too...
    I`m a bit miffed they got dropped by Geffen since I`ve been a fan since I
    heard the pre-release tapoe of the first album about 3 years ago...

    Clive.

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    Date: Sat, 02 Apr 1994 12:32:59 EST
    From: amg0033@v2.qub.ac.uk
    Subject: Re: RE: Progressive metal

     
    > > What are Saviour Machine, Savatage, and Sacred Warrior like? I'm looking
    > > for progressive music (still can't find Magellan); any pointers are
    > > welcome. Also, what is the newsgroup address for prog?

    > Savatage is the only one I can reply to here. I really like them.
    > They're a very diverse band, in the sense that DT is diverse, being very
    > heavy at times, and then very melodic and playing a number of ballads as
    > well. I have 4 of their albums, "Streets, a Rock Opera," "Hall of the
    > Mountain King,", their latest "Edge of Thorns," and a best-of type album.
    > I like all of these very much. The last album has a new singer, and
    > their original guitarist died late last year in an automobile accident.
    > The latest rumor is that Alex Skolnik is going to replace him.
    > Hopefully, if true, he'll be able to fill in the songwriting hole that
    > Chris' death created. In any case, I would highly recommend giving them
    > a listen.

    What is this 'best-of' album that you talk about?.. as far as I`m aware their
    albums are as follows "Sirens", "The Dungeons Are Calling", "Power Of The Night""Fight For The Rock", "Hall Of The Mountain King", "Gutter Ballet", "Streets:
    A Rock Opera" and "Edge Of Thorns" .... the best being IMHO Streets, Gutter
    Ballet and Hall Of The Mountain King.... the last one has a new singer and
    although it`s a good album, it kinda lacks something the previous three had..
    The Dungeons Are Calling is by far the worst, it`s pretty awful...
    They are kinda of progressive power metal, a pretty unique sound, and have
    done really cool mellow stuff.... I`d second the recommendation....

    Well I posted the original list of prog metal that I liked that contained
    Saviour Machine and Sacred Warrior.... er... I dunno how to describe
    Saviour Machine since their music is very varied.. the only have one
    self-titled CD, released about 6 or 7 months ago on Intense Records..
    The first song "Carnival Of Souls" sounds like a mix of Pink Floyd without
    the pomp, Dream Theater without the flashy solos, Marillion and U2 around the
    unforgettable fire era... Personally I like the slower songs that have
    loads of tension, and really build dynamically... "A World Alone" is kinda
    like DT`s "To Live Forever" except much better... The CD has a running time
    of 70 minutes.... I really like the use of piano and mellow orchestration..
    The guitar doesn`t play a dominate a role as say in Dream Theater or
    the heavier progressive bands.. the guy is a really good singer too....
    I suppose I should mention in case it makes a difference, that they are a
    Christian band.. the lyrics are based on the guys spiritual struggles and
    some a based on very disturbing imagery of the beast from the book of
    revelation.... basically *I* think it`s excellent....

    Sacred Warrior (again Christian band) are in the Queensryche/Fates Warning/
    Crimson Glory vein.... well their first album "Rebellion" is basically a
    hard rock effort, while their second "Master`s Command" is like Iron Maiden
    in places.... the third "Wicked Generation" is queensryche style progressive
    rock, with songs like "Standing Free" sounding like a mix of "The Lady Wore
    Black" and "Eyes Of A Stranger"... a rather strange of dynamics on this
    album, but it`s very good.... their last album "Obsessions" has a cleaner
    sound and is my favourite, probably went in a similar direction as Queensryche
    did when they went from "Operation Mindcrime" to "Empire"... the songs are
    more structured and sort of catchy... "Turning Back" and "Madman" make good
    use of acoustic guitar and really build towards a climax....

    Well.. that`s it.. I`m outta here.....

    Clive.

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