YTSEJAM Digest 608
Today's Topics:
1) RE: BUMMER...was Re: Yet more Promo Pack stuff
by Eric David Persson <ep9101@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
2) Re: DT Tix
by SLAY <SL98MJ85@acs.wooster.edu>
3) FWD: One tik for Osaka, Japan Concert for sale
by Eric David Persson <ep9101@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
4) RE: Tik for sale in Osaka, Japan
by Eric David Persson <ep9101@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
5) Re: A little disgusted...
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
6) Okay...I'll ask...
by mark.scudder@oho.com (Mark Scudder)
7) Re: Magellan and Crimson Glory
by V C Morrison <UGVMORRI@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU>
8) Re: Wanna-be's
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
9) My DT start...
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
10) RE: A little disgusted
by Eric David Persson <ep9101@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
11) Re: A little disgusted...
by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
12) Re: YTSEJAM partial digest 608
by James Bickers <jbickers@iglou.com>
13) 'Lie' on MTV Sports
by ba991@yfn.ysu.edu (David Rolla)
14) Re: A little disgusted...
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
15) Re: Dokken
by Matthias Murra <mamurra@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE>
16) Re: Record stores in London (was: DT single)
by Matthias Murra <mamurra@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE>
17) Re: Crimson Glory albums
by Matthias Murra <mamurra@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE>
18) Grmbl! Dutch concerts sold out! HELP!!
by Eijk.Oscar.van@uniface.nl (Oscar van Eijk)
19) Crimson Glory, Watchtower
by wagner@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de
20) Dream Theater stuff
by borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk
21) Re: My DT start...
by James Bako <jbako01@barney.poly.edu>
22) Re: Wanna-be's
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
23) Dokken
by kirsten yvonne denoyelles <kirsten@mik.uky.edu>
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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 15:13:44 -0600 (CST)
From: Eric David Persson <ep9101@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: RE: BUMMER...was Re: Yet more Promo Pack stuff
Message-ID: <199412052113.AA07650@eehpx17.cen.uiuc.edu>
> From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Yet more Promo Pack stuff
>
> I got my promo pack with the sticker, LiT, and LATM Germany version!
> All of those I already have! Bummer. Oh, well, cheap Christmans
> presents!
> -Adam
I hope you're not dissapointed, I have friends who DID NOT receive the
promo pack and DO NOT have all that cool stuff.
Looking forward to the EP.
Now, Here's a question about some kinda live Pay Per View thing in Japan?
I was wondering if it is on NHK BS (1 or 2), WOW-WOW, or what?
I have a freind who is subscribed to WOW-WOW, so I was curious.
So, I'd appreciate it if any of you Japanese Ytsejammers could answer this.
-Eric Persson
ep9101@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu
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Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 16:47:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: SLAY <SL98MJ85@acs.wooster.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: DT Tix
Message-ID: <01HKAI25L3HC8XEHXE@acs.wooster.edu>
Hey Tom! I could become a cute, female fan if you let me have a ticket!
SLAY
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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 16:09:59 -0600
From: Eric David Persson <ep9101@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
Subject: FWD: One tik for Osaka, Japan Concert for sale
Message-ID: <199412052209.AA24167@ehsn7.cen.uiuc.edu>
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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 16:11:04 -0600 (CST)
From: Eric David Persson <ep9101@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: RE: Tik for sale in Osaka, Japan
Message-ID: <199412052211.AA08085@eehpx17.cen.uiuc.edu>
Hi all,
I found an article and posted it here (in another post).
Sorry for the mess but it is in JAPANESE.
I figured some of the Ytsejam folks in Japan might not have access to the
newsgroups. So that's why I did it.
So, I don't if it will show before or after this post, but I wanted to
tell y'al about it so you know that the garbled mess is Japanese and not
just some garbage.
-Eric Persson
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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 16:41:41 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: A little disgusted...
Message-ID: <199412052341.QAA01153@bud.indirect.com>
> All right, I've sat here too long and have seen too much of it. How many
> people got the promo packs and found them to duplicate items in your
> collections? How the hell did people get "chosen" to receive these promo
There were two "choosings"... which were, incidentally, VERY
gracious of EastWest and a lot more than any other band ever did.
1. Those of us who wrote the FAQ, managed the list, did the
lyrics or discography, and ran the archive site, all got one.
2. C-Man posted a TOP-TEN list contest not too long ago, and many
people submitted them... 10 winners wound up turning into 30-some promo
packs given away.
> packs anyway? I've been on Ytsejam for quite awhile now and have no memory
> of any contest or offer. It gets a little old to see post after post of
Then you have a short memory and/or weren't here yet. But this is
VERY VERY recent... we're talking mid-tour... and the tour only started
two months ago.
> people saying, "I got my promo pack!!! Now I have even more stickers than
> before!!! I already have the CD's!!! I guess I'll give them away at
> Christmas!!!" If it sounds like I'm a poor loser, you are right...I am.
You sure are. I'm not complaining... I already had LIT and LATM,
so I arranged a trade with someone on the net for a WDADU promo disc and
a Japanese LATM. What it all comes down to is: DT decided to give us an
early Xmas. You can sit there and complain about it, or, like me, you can
talk to people and see how many have extra stickers/cards/discs to
give/trade to you.
> Where I live you have to donate organs to get decent imports and that's
> for Pearl Jam. Forget Dream Theater. I only own four DT items: I&W, AWAKE,
> LiT and a promo copy of AWAKE. I got the promo from my university's radio
Start going mailorder like the rest of us who live in out of the
way places... the closest record store to me that carries bootlegs and
rarities is 31 miles away. OTOH, you can order from cd-connection and
Metal Blade Records right off the net. Or pick up a copy of Goldmine
magazine at your local newsstand.
> station. This reminds me of the King's X sampler that was offered awhile
> back. I witnessed the same thing. "This sampler will make a great addition
> to my King's X collection!!!" Excuse me, but aren't promotions like this
> supposed to introduce people to bands, not to fatten the collections of
> exisiting fans? I own nothing of King's X. I was hoping to get a sampler
Neither did I, until I got the sampler. It blew me away, and I
have since purchased all the KX discs. OTOH, the people who were diehard
KX fans really DESERVED such a limited edition disc because they are the
ones who see the collector value in it. It's something that's good for
everyone unless they're indifferent. It was also offered to EVERYONE back
when it was done.. and if you saw the original post and didn't reply,
then you have only yourself to blame. If you didn't see the original
post, it won't be the last time, so keep your eyes open! :)
> can anyone jump on the bandwagon? There is NO bandwagon. Dream Theater is
> not popular enough to the mainstream to be considered a fad. Where was I
> when WDADU was out? Well, I have a life and a limited budget. That means
> that I can't buy the first album of every band in hopes of them being
Here's where I agree with you... Dream Theater isn't commercial,
no matter how you cut it. I'm just as happy meeting fans who bought Awake
a week ago as I am to meet fans who had the Majesty tape in 1986. The new
fans are great because you feel so excited for them, and all the stuff
they will eventually experience, the way you did. There should not be
talk of posers and such in a band where poserhood really dosen't apply.
Same goes for Rush. Anyone who manages to get past Tom Sawyer and Spirit
of Radio counts as a pretty decent RushFan. Maybe not a lunatic
RushFanatic(Tm) like myself, but a fan nonetheless.
> my chest. One last question. Will the EP, to be recorded in April, be
> released in the US?
Very likely. LATM, though an import, did sell in the US... From
what Mike told me last night (more on that in another post) they want to
see it happen.
Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 20:07:00 GMT
From: mark.scudder@oho.com (Mark Scudder)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Okay...I'll ask...
Message-ID: <94120518410881@oho.com>
>notice that the DT logo is over bubble chamber tracks?)
Yt> Is that what is on the inside cover of Awake?
Yt> Bubble chamber tracks?
Yt> interesting...
Okay, I have to ask...
What the hell are bubble chamber tracks?
Mark
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Date: Mon, 05 Dec 94 19:47:12 EST
From: V C Morrison <UGVMORRI@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Magellan and Crimson Glory
Message-ID: <m0rEo9D-0001E0C@crash.cts.com>
Yes, _Strange and Beautiful_ is more 'pop' than the others, though I say I've
only heard _Transcendence_. There's one song on S&B that I love, though. It's
called "Starchamber." The first line of the song is that famous sample from
2001: "My God. It's full of stars." Check it out if you can.
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-
"If I started from the top and worked my way down, I'd have no reason
to live forever."
-Dream Theater
-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-
Vincent C. Morrison| S O U L S T E A L E R |UGVMORRI@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU
--------------------------------------------|ENMORRIS@ECUVAX.CIS.ECU.EDU
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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:27:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Wanna-be's
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9412051636.A22570-0100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
On Sat, 3 Dec 1994 ytsejam@arastar.com wrote:
>
> Date: 03 Dec 1994 12:55:35 -0600 (CST)
> From: text string <SMITSM@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu>
> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
> Subject: Wanna-be's
> Message-ID: <01HK7GR9TH4I002Q4P@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu>
>
> Date sent: 3-DEC-1994 12:37:25
>
> Someone responded to my comments on some of the posers out there
> that call themselves DT fans. I guess I was overeacting to the particular
> show I was at. In Green Bay, the response to the WDADU stuff was nill.
> They were clueless. (I would've screamed my head off, but I was taping the
> show for my historical archives) I realize that at the time it was only
> available as an import, BUT it was available in 89/90 as a normal US
> release. WHERE WERE THESE PEOPLE THEN? It just seems that a whole bunch
> of people jumped on the bandwagon when Pull Me Under got some airplay on
> Mtv and radio.....so many people are trendy out there and dictate their
> listening habits towards whatever someone feeds them.
I feel I have to speak up here. I'm one of the people who caught Pull Me
Under on the radio and I've been a DT fan ever since. But I don't think
I'm one of the trendy fans for the following reasons:
1) The reason I'm VERY VERY interested in DT is Portnoy's drumming. I
think he's a genius and he plays like it. As long as he continues to play
like a genius (personally, I'm not sure he'll ever stop), I'm a Portnoy
(or DT, if you like) fan. That simple. If one wanted to, I guess one
could call that a trend, but I don't.
2) The ONLY reason I even heard of DT was Pull Me Under being played on
the radio. I just haven't established the kinds of connections for
getting music that seem to run rampant on this list (trading tapes, CDs,
getting firsthand copies of bootleg videos, etc.) and to tell you the
truth, I don't think that would work for me because I am VERY picky about
the kind of music I listen to, as opposed to a lot of people on this
list, who [WARNING: "Broad generalization" immediately follows] seem open to
everything under the sun.
3) NO ONE I know has ever heard of DT. That puts me way in the minority
around here. For this reason, I don't think you could classify me as one
of those people who just got into DT because all of their friends were
doing it.
That's it, really. I just wanted to let everyone know that, just because
people never heard of WDADU when it came out, doesn't mean that their
interest in DT is "just a phase."
>
> Well, just let me end by saying I'm glad that people caught on with
> their second album and it hasn't taken people 5 or 6 albums to see the
> greatness in the band. If IAW had bombed they probably wouldn't have
> toured the states....what a travesty that would have been.
>
No shit!!!!
Younis Hilal
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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 21:58:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam SERVER)
Subject: My DT start...
Message-ID: <199412060258.VAA21454@pearl.cs.brandeis.edu>
Well, after seeing Brian's post, I decided to post this here... I had
this saved after reading all of the posts on the AOL DT board...
Anyway, here's how I got into DT...
I had never heard of DT until winter break my freshman year in school
(WOW, that's already almost 2 years ago... damn). I am home from
Boston, and some of my friends are telling me about this awsome CD
that they got... They didn't have it with them, or didn't have it
with them, but I generally like the same music as they did, so I
figure, what the hell, I'll try it... I go into the CD shop, look for
it, and there it was sitting... I looked at the cover, and though
that it looked good, and actially asked some of the people working
there about it, and although one person never heard of DT before,
another said that I&W was a great CD, so I buy it...
I get home with the CD, pop it in, and didn't know what to think...
not what I expected, but I figured that I'd give it a few more listens
before giving up on it...
Within the next few days, I was hooked... Listened to it almost
constantly. I, unfortunatly, got into DT a week too late... They
were playing the Metropool (Pittsburgh) about a week before I got the
CD... Anyway, I get back to school, and nobody there had even heard
of DT beofre... but I played the CD constantly, and created at least
one or 2 other fans... About this time, I also got a modem for my
computer, and start playing around with my basic email account from my
school, so I play around with the USENET boards, and see a post about
Ytsejam and Dream Theater, so I figure, can't hurt to subscribe... I
do (I have been a Ytsejam reader since issue 19. Today's issue was
607 or something like that) Once on there, I discover other DT fans,
and info starts slowly becoming discovered about the band. My first
priortiy was to get a live tape, which I found rather quickly. After
that, word of the then impossible to find "WDADU" started to emerge,
and we go on a furious hunt for it (I remember, there was someone,
email went as "Windigo, the Feral" or something like that that was
keeping a list of all of the CD shops in the country that had copies
of WDADU). I finally found a copy at home by spring break. I also
managed to get a copy of the Majesty Demos, and others from someone on
Ytsejam... (I think that 95% of the early copies of that tape came
through my tape deck).... Anyway, thats the story behind me becoming
a DT fan...
(I really don';t think that I would have been possibly been such the
DT fan that I am now w/o Ytsejam and internet...)
--
+--------------------------------+---------------+---------------------+
| I never bared my emotions | Dream Theater | Michael Burstin |
| My passion always strong | Scarred | Brandeis University |
| I never lost my devotion | Awake +---------------------+
| but somewhere fate went wrong. | Get AWAKEned today, in stores now |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
http://cs.brandeis.edu/USER/UGRAD/mikeb/home.html
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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 21:14:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Eric David Persson <ep9101@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: RE: A little disgusted
Message-ID: <199412060314.AA16731@eehpx28.cen.uiuc.edu>
> ------------------------------
> From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
> Subject: Re: A little disgusted...
> Chris,
> By they way, did I mention the King's X sampler I received just recently?
> heheheheh...
> -The Doc
I think it's real classy of you to rub it in his face.
8-(
> From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
> Subject: Re: A little disgusted...
>
> Dear Chris,
> In response to your disgust in those of us that won a promo kit,
> sorry. But actually, I think that everyone who submitted a top ten
> list received one. Same with the King's X sampler, I just responded
>
> -Adam
This is NOT true. I know for a fact that me and my friend Shawn submitted
top ten lists and posted them. We did not receive any pack.
It's too bad more for Shawn than I. He doesn't have anything more than
I&W, and Awake. I have LAM (japanese ver., of course) and LIT as well as
the three albums and a couple of boots.
-Eric P.
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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 22:05:14 +0800
From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: A little disgusted...
Message-ID: <9412060605.AA11942@anthor.arastar.com>
> From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
>
> 1. Those of us who wrote the FAQ, managed the list, did the
> lyrics or discography, and ran the archive site, all got one.
Uh... not quite :D
Jason Hough and I did not get promo kits. Since we manage the list, that
part of the above wasn't true :)
Don't get me wrong: I'm already a fan and already have (most) of that
stuff. I think that it's more appropriate for it to go into the hands of
those who are new(er) fans.
--
Ken Bibb "Upon a wave of summer
kbibb@arastar.com A hilltop paved with gold
jester@crash.cts.com We shut our eyes and make the promises we hold"
David Sylvian--"Wave"
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 00:58:29 -0500 (EST)
From: James Bickers <jbickers@iglou.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM partial digest 608
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.941206004953.7827B-100000@iglou>
> > station. This reminds me of the King's X sampler that was offered awhile
> > back. I witnessed the same thing. "This sampler will make a great addition
> > to my King's X collection!!!" Excuse me, but aren't promotions like this
> > supposed to introduce people to bands, not to fatten the collections of
> > exisiting fans? I own nothing of King's X. I was hoping to get a sampler
>
Alright, I'm afraid I have to speak here, after being a lurker for God
knows how long.
I am not only a very serious DT fan (ever since WDADU was released, when
the boys in FW first mentioned them), but a diehard King's X fan. I've
seen them live every chance I have gotten, and have shaken hands with two
out of the three. Just because I own a CD copy of every song they've
ever released to the general public, does that mean I would not highly
value a promotional CD package? Hardly...I would value it all the more.
While the promo business does turn people onto new bands, I'm almost
tempted to believe that that is not the real reason it is there.
In other words, as a serious DT fan, I would consider it a full kiss on
the lips from the band if they were to do something to "fatten my
collection". Which, it seems, they are trying to do.
James
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 01:13:02 -0500
From: ba991@yfn.ysu.edu (David Rolla)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: 'Lie' on MTV Sports
Message-ID: <199412060613.AA19682@yfn.ysu.edu>
Greetings...I don't believe I've seen this mentioned before...
while channel surfing over the weekend, I heard 'Lie' being
played as the background music for the MTV Sports segment on
skydiving/air boarding. Not very long, but better than nothing,
I suppose.
Also, I just picked up a copy of the 'Puppies on Acid' boot.
E-mail me if you're interested in a swap/etc...
--
*****************************************************************
* David Rolla *
* home: ba991@yfn.ysn.edu work: ahipc1j.drolla01@eds.com *
*****************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 01:04:25 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: A little disgusted...
Message-ID: <199412060804.BAA23212@bud.indirect.com>
> Uh... not quite :D
>
> Jason Hough and I did not get promo kits. Since we manage the list, that
> part of the above wasn't true :)
>
> Don't get me wrong: I'm already a fan and already have (most) of that
> stuff. I think that it's more appropriate for it to go into the hands of
> those who are new(er) fans.
Hmmmm. C-Man had said you two were getting kits. I wonder why it
did not happen?
FWIW, he didn't get me the backstage passes like he said he
would. Some sort of miscommunication...
Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:23:27 +0100
From: Matthias Murra <mamurra@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Dokken
Message-ID: <199412060923.KAA05955@bettina.informatik.uni-Bremen.de>
>Wow! What about their magnum opus, "In My Dreams"... or their two
>hits from the Elm Street 3 soundtrack.. "Dream Warriors" and "Into the
>Fire". However, my favourite tracks from them are none of those.. they
>are "Sleepless Nights" and "The Hunter", with a close third to "Will The
>Sun Rise" and fourth to "Mr. Scary".
>
>Who else likes Dokken? Favourite songs?
I do. :-) I got into "rock music" through Kiss (...) in the first place
(must have been 1983), and Dokken was one of the first "non-Kiss" rock
bands I listened to, starting with "Under Lock And Key" (1986).
Incidentally, I didn't care *that* much for "Rage For Order" then, which
I bought the same year. By now it is among my favourite albums (both
QR and rock in general), and QR has become my favourite band (DT being
a close second :->).
But back to the (off) topic. My favourite track by Dokken would also
have to be "The Hunter", and the solo in that song must be one of the
most awesome of all time IMHO. Other goodies by Dokken include:
Breaking The Chains, Paris Is Burning, Don't Close Your Eyes,
Just Got Lucky, Alone Again, Will The Sun Rise, In My Dreams,
Prisoner, Kiss Of Death, So Many Tears, Burning Like A Flame,
Dream Warriors and Walk Away.
Is that enought? :-)
Neither Don himself (Crash'N Burn was nice) nor George could keep it
with that at all.
Greets, Matt
| Matthias Murra | "Love is an act of blood |
| Dpt. of Mathematics | And I'm bleeding |
| University of Bremen | Pool in the shape of a heart" |
| Germany | Dream Theater "Space-Dye Vest" |
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:43:02 +0100
From: Matthias Murra <mamurra@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Record stores in London (was: DT single)
Message-ID: <199412060943.KAA06155@bettina.informatik.uni-Bremen.de>
>Well worth getting your hands on just for
>the novelty value.
Does anyone know a good record store in London where to get not-so-mainstream
(rare) stuff, like the DT single? I plan on doing a trip to London for
attending the Queensryche gig at the Royal Albert Hall (March 12th) and
would like to visit some good stores who have a little more than "the usual"
in the rock department. :-)
Anyone who has some good addresses to share, please e-mail me!
Thanks a lot, Matt
| Matthias Murra | "Love is an act of blood |
| Dpt. of Mathematics | And I'm bleeding |
| University of Bremen | Pool in the shape of a heart" |
| Germany | Dream Theater "Space-Dye Vest" |
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:12:50 +0100
From: Matthias Murra <mamurra@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Crimson Glory albums
Message-ID: <199412061012.LAA06469@bettina.informatik.uni-Bremen.de>
>Do you happen to know how many albums Crimson Glory put out? I've heard
>_Transcendence_ and _Strange and Beautiful_.
Then you have missed their debut album (self-titled), is has a silver
mask on the front cover, with a rose put beside it right and left.
Go and get it, if you can, there're awesome songs on it, like
"Valhalla", "Dragon Lady", "Azrael" and the athmospheric "Lost
Reflection". Sadly enough, Strange and Beautfiul was more a less
a disappointment IMHO, since they turned their backs on the "progressive"
style and pursuit a more "standard" style of rock music, though "The Chant"
wasn't all that bad. :-)
Greets, Matt
| Matthias Murra | "Love is an act of blood |
| Dpt. of Mathematics | And I'm bleeding |
| University of Bremen | Pool in the shape of a heart" |
| Germany | Dream Theater "Space-Dye Vest" |
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:19:53 +0100
From: Eijk.Oscar.van@uniface.nl (Oscar van Eijk)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Grmbl! Dutch concerts sold out! HELP!!
Message-ID: <94120612195314@uniface.nl>
Hi There,
Ev'ry body HELP please, I'm in big trouble :-{
I heard about DT concerts in Holland on February 14 an 15, in Vredenburg,
Utrecht, after it was sold out !! F$&*#@!
Does anybody know if and when they will play in Belgium or anywhere nearby,
or can anybody help me to get tix for the Vredenburg concerts ? (I saw them
there the first time they were in Holland - at least I think it was the first
time - and that's a perfect place to see them play)
Btw, will Hydrophobia be their support act in Holland ?
aTdHvAaNnKcSe
Oscar
---------
Abandon Hope Oscar van Eijk
All Ye O s c a r VMS Systems Administrator
Who Enter Here oscar@uniface.nl Uniface Advanced Technology BV
Amsterdam ZO, the Netherlands
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:54:54 +0100 (MEZ)
From: wagner@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (ytsejam)
Subject: Crimson Glory, Watchtower
Message-ID: <9412061054.AA09762@kerkyon.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>
Hello,
As said before, Crimson Glory released three albums (Crimson Glory and
Trancendence, which are some of the best melodic metal albums I ever heard
and Stange But Beautyful, which sounds a bit like Saigon Kick and has only
the fault that Cgimson Glory is written on it). Besides that they released
a EP called Dream Dancer which features the title-track (a real Killer) and
a remix of one of the best songs from the debut (Lost Reflection). After
the release of the third record Midnight (the singer) left the band and as
far as I know the band split up. (what a mess when you listen tho the first
two records... :( ). BTW I am searching the Demo-Tapes....
Watchtower is one of the most technical Bands in the world. The Released two
records (Energetic Disassambely on their own label, which is very rare and
later in europe as a rerelease, and Controll And Resistance). The first
record was recorded with Jason McMaster on vocals (now Dangerous Toys) and
Danny White (I thikt that was his name) on guitar (also played guitar on Don
Dokkens soloalbum). The style on that record could be described as Jazz-Metal
(like Cynic today). They where replaced by Alan Tecchio on vocals (former
member of one of the best techno-speed bands ever: Hades) and Ron Jarzombak
(I don't know how to spell it..) on guitar who played with S.A. Slayer. They
recorded the second album and toured throughout europe. Then Alan left the band
and joined Non-Fiction (which were formed by Dan Lorenzo, former Hades-guitarist).
(as far as I know this band also split up and Dan and Alan founded with Andy
James (formed Drummer of Savatage) the Band Between Two Thiefes). Anyway
Watchtower are still searching a replacement for Alan and the checked some
interesting guys like John Arch (former singer in Fates Warning). (He, if
someone got a tape with these rehearsals, mail to me) and Jay Peele (Inferno).
If you are interested how far technical music can go, check'em out.
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---- Freedom belongs only to those without video screens for eyes and mouth ----
---------------------- Queensryche - Screaming In Digital ----------------------
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- Peace comes through thinking with our hearts and not with words. Until then -
----------------- we'll light another candle for this world. -------------------
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Till 'Tillroy' Wagner <wagner@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>
Elisabethenstr. 42f; D-63225 Langen; Germany
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 13:08:11 GMT
From: borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Dream Theater stuff
Message-ID: <9412061308.AA08937@rootok.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Why am I having such a hard time getting hold of DT material? It took me three
weeks to find a copy of "Awake", I still haven't managed to get hold of the
"LIE" CD single, and nobody has ever heard of "WDADU" - I even tried to get
them to order it specially, I gave them the catalogue number, but they couldn't get hold of it.
It's not like there is any shortage of music stores here . . . . so what's the
problem?
Cheers just now . . . .
Graham B.
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:06:21 -0500 (EST)
From: James Bako <jbako01@barney.poly.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: My DT start...
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9412060945.A20765-0100000@barney>
I just wanted to add my .02 on this topic:
No, I did not get WDADU when it first came out. I even live on Long
Island and I had never even heard of them (maybe I hung out with the
wrong people, read the wrong magazinesm, whatever). If I heard WDADU at
the time, I might not have even liked it.
Then I&W comes out and PMU gets some airplay. The song does not
immedately impress me, and in fact, the chorus annoyed me so much for
some reason. One week I see Take The Time on eMpTyV (highly edited of
course). Result: (smack myself on forhead) buy album, listen to album,
like album alot, listen to album constantly (force album on friends). I
loaned the album to a few people at work, older 70's prog-types:
instant new DT fans.
Compare to Megadeth, if you will. I happened to be a fan of theirs since
the Peace Sells.. album. I liked their first four albums (up to Rust In
Peace). Then they put out two crappy albums that made them multi-platinum
stars, and got them millions of new fans who when you talk to them utter
"Peace what?" or "I dont like their old stuff, it's too fast". These are
posers since they don't like, or even refuse to acknowledge their past.
Bottom line: a fan is a fan is a fan. But a true fan is one who (while
they don't even have to like or agree with it) is appreciates the whole
body of work of an artist or band.
Anyway, to answer the original point of this thread way, way back, about
DT fans being posers if they arrived after 1989, it's just not true.
Anyone who hears one DT (except Lie) will immediately know if it's to
their liking or not. With the exception of Lie, I dont think its possible
for DT to ever become hugely popular to the point of being popular over
one big single.
Oh how I dread the day the Silent Man is released as a single, look what
happened to Queensryche.
James Bako
jbako01@barney.poly.edu
Polytechnic University
Brooklyn, New York
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:05:59 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Wanna-be's
Message-ID: <Uit7rLy00WB4E31YBg@andrew.cmu.edu>
i have an example of a 'poser'... this guy at the pittsburgh show,
just stood around, looking around until lie came on... he moshed and
sang along to lie, and looked really clueless when they played the
ending that's not on the video version. and of course he was, like,
6'3 and standing a few feet in front of me. blocking my view and he
was totally bored and just standing there taking up space until lie.
pissed me off. and he looked really annoyed at me because i was
singing along to everything. and he left the show before metropolis.
of course, he was around for autographs...
and there waas that chick who got mad at me because my hair hit her
once when i was headbanging. sorry. i'm short. i have longish hair.
i'm a dt fan. if you just came to see lie get the hell out of my way
ok, i'm just bitching because i have the flu. sue me
slash wrists, scarlet fever-*-argh-heh-william bajzek-impaler@cmu.edu
crawl under your bathroom door--augh-no-http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu
pumping arteries ooze their problems------ouch-----.edu/usr/wb2a/home
through the gap the razor tore-and stuff-deal-with-it----stop---derek
i'm not bitter, damn you-----go away------yes you are and you know it
cds for sale:--http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/usr/wb2a/cdsale.html
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:15:26 -0500 (EST)
From: kirsten yvonne denoyelles <kirsten@mik.uky.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Dokken
Message-ID: <9412061616.AA15143@mik.uky.edu>
I'm not a subscriber to this list, but I've had numerous people
send me mail about the discussions on Dokken as of late. I thought
I would put in my .02 *smile*
It's nice to see so many people into Dokken. I have been running a
Dokken/Lynch list for a little over two years now, and I thank those
who gave the addresses and info about the list. Feel free to
subscribe to kirsten@mik.uky.edu
I saw someone mention a Dokken newsgroup. I've thought about this a few
times, but I didn't know how to go about it. We could try. Traffic has
been pretty cool lately with the new CD coming out (I think it might
have been released in japan yesterday...)
Dokken had a few hits. Someone mentioned "Alone Again". They also
had "In My Dreams," "It;s not Love," "Burning like a Flame" "Dream
Warrios," "Heaven Sent," and I think "Walk Away" even got some air
play. There were videos for those songs, as well as "Breaking the
Chains," "Into the Fire," "Just Got Lucky" and "The HUnter."
Thanks for putting up with this Dokken post on your list. DT is a
great band too!! 8) Its nice to see so many people with taste
Kirsten
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