YTSEJAM Digest 611
Today's Topics:
1) Dt and Christianity
by <laferrie@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu> (Kevin R Laferriere)
2) Help!
by "Brian J. Wherry" <WB81%LAFAYACS.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu>
3) Help with subscription
by PARALLELS@aol.com
4) Re: Queensryche
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
5) DT/Fates story (kind of long) pt I
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
6) DT/Fates story (kind of long) pt II
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
7) stack of ytsejams
by "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
8) "true" fans and wdadu
by "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
9) Queensryche
by <laferrie@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu> (Kevin R Laferriere)
10) WWW access via telnet
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
11) DoE
by An Angel's Kiss <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 609: Good Times Virus
by TTubbiola@aol.com
13) Re: Metal on radio
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
14) My introduction to DT
by Robert J Weychert Jr <weyc9212@kutztown.edu>
15) Good Times virus
by HuntNKill@aol.com
16) Re: What makes a fan
by HuntNKill@aol.com
17) Simon and Garfunky
by Hailey <pass@u.washington.edu>
18) Re: Fans/Material etc. etc.
by ALVAREZ1@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Alvarez, Paul)
19) Re: Message from Mike concerning new album
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
20) Rising Power
by Mozo21@aol.com
21) Poster is here!
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
22) Re: Message from Mike concerning new album
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
23) Re: Fans/Material etc. etc.
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
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Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 21:37:52 -0500
From: <laferrie@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu> (Kevin R Laferriere)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Dt and Christianity
Message-ID: <9412080237.AA17251@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu>
There has been dicussion on rec.music.christian about what members
of DT are Christian. Kevin Moore was said to be definetly Christian,
but none of the other members could be positively identified as
Christian. Does anyone know if MP, JP, JY, of JL are Christian?
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I'm Dis con nec ted...
- group:'Queensryche', song:'Disconnected', CD:'Promised Land'
Spin the black circle...
- group:'Pearl Jam', song:'Spin The Black Circle', CD:'Vitalogy'
Look in the mirror my friend...
- group:'Dream Theater', song:'The Mirror', CD:'Awake'
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For more information on Queensryche, Pearl Jam, or Dream Theater,
finger laferrie@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu
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Date: Wed, 07 Dec 94 22:16:05 EST
From: "Brian J. Wherry" <WB81%LAFAYACS.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu>
To: <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Help!
Message-ID: <07DEC94.24049768.0033.MUSIC@LAFAYACS>
To whom it may concern:
My name is Brian Wherry. I am a huge DT fan and I attempted to sub-
scribe to ytsejam a while ago. I haven't heard anything from you, and
I'm still very interested in subscribing. Please hook me up! Thanks!!
Brian Wherry
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Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 22:22:53 -0500
From: PARALLELS@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Help with subscription
Message-ID: <941207215216_166688@aol.com>
Hey. I tried to subscribe but it went through and I never recieved any
thing. Please add me to the list.
Thanks
Chris Anderson
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Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 19:17:02 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Queensryche
Message-ID: <9412080317.AA03790@teng6.fmt>
>
> Does anyone around here like Queensryche? I listen to their music constantly
> and they are my favorite band of all time. I would like to here from all you
> fellow Rychers out there.
>
> NO ONE CAN HEAR WHEN YOUR'RE SCREAMING IN DIGITAL!!!!!!!!!
>
> --QUEENSRYCHE
> --
> Marias Seral
Of course! That's the next big tour I'm anticipating.
Z.
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Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 19:07:56 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT/Fates story (kind of long) pt I
Message-ID: <9412080307.AA03783@teng6.fmt>
About forty of us went to the back of the Warfield
and waited by the tourbuses for DT and Fates Warning to
come out. After 1/2 hour Derrick came out to talk to us.
(met a few ytsejam people, too) Really nice. down to Earth
kind of guy. Got him to sign my DT hat. He left, came back
later and told us that the rest of the guys wouldn't be
coming out for 1.5 hours (after- show party with their
families, plus showering, etc.)
Soon, however, Frank Aresti came out to talk to us (he
signed my hat, too). Really nice guy. My friend
instantly fell in love with him, as she is wont to do,
and after he left, we goaded her into finding him so they
could talk more.
About an hour later, (there were only 25 of us left
by then), everyone leaves the entrance of the bus
for the exit of the theater: the boys (no, not Rush)
were coming out. Everyone was nice, and I got everyone
to sing my hat (they all had pens in hand ready to give
out signatures). So, after shaking hands with all the
members and telling them what a great show it was, we
started looking for my friend Cassandra. Last we had seen,
she and Frank were heading for the Fates bus.
~1:30 by then and we were ready to head out of The City.
My other friend and I went to the bus to get her attention
through the window (no, her legs weren't sticking out of
it) so then we walk back to the car. A moment later, she comes
running back and tells me that "we can't leave!" and Frank
told her to go get her ride (me).
(continued...)
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Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 19:15:07 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT/Fates story (kind of long) pt II
Message-ID: <9412080315.AA03787@teng6.fmt>
Well, it wasn't the DT bus (those guys were going to sleep
(all of them except Mike had their wives with them)), but
good enough for me! So we get on the bus and the guys from
Fates were all sitting there. Much to my suprise, Mike was
sitting there chatting as well! *Really* nice guy. Started
talking with him about the list. When we were outside, I had
asked him what the next album was going to sound like. He
told me, "It'll be 'Industrial-Bluegrass'." When I got on the
bus, he asked me "...if I got the message, I asked him "What
'message'?"and he said, "Remember, tell everyone 'Industrial
Bluegrass'." Then he asked me if I drank "On occaision..."
so he and I and a roadie sat there toasted a shot of
Yeagermeister (sp?). Soon after, he left for his bus.
Told him I'd see him the next night if we made it to Reno.
I could've kicked myself, however, because I didn't ask
him *shit* about the band (I had a fantastic interview
opportunity, if I was tactful). So I asked him how he
could jam on the drums and still smoke. "Well, I smoke
a pack and a half a day, and play for an hour and a half
a day, so it averages out." (or something to that effect)
I also talked to him about bootlegs. I asked him he was
going to score some boots of the current tour, "Definitely,"
he says.
Later, Ray and Jim decided to go to a local bar for a few
minutes, and since I was sitting my the door, I had them
sign my hat on the way out, Frank kept telling them "Sign
it on the front!" (it was a DT hat), but they wouldn't. I
felt like an idiot asking, but I was polite and so were
they. Just before we left, I got Mark's sig, too (very
intimidating guy) Frank said the same thing, but he signed
it on the back, too. Earlier, Jim and the bassist (forgot
his name, but the other Fates guys were calling him "Bones"
so I got it in my head that that was his name--- put that
in the Fates FAQ, if there is one) started throwing a roll
of duct tape around and Jim threw it by me, so I threw it back;
he threw it to Bones, and then Mark grabbed it and said,
"Alright, enough games." (I kind of hung my head). (just
before that, Jim and Ray had come back (Ray smokes, too, btw).
Most of the time, though, Frank and my friend Cassandra (Frank
sat across from us) just bullshitted (about their Disney
watches, of all things). Frank kept looking at me as if he
wanted me to say something profound, but I only kind of smiled
and nodded my head as I was following their conversation. I
only talked to each of the guys a little (I'm not very outgoing
anyway). *Next* time will be different, I sure hope Fates will
still be touring with them in the spring when DT comes back, but
I doubt it)
All in all, there for 1.5 hours total, said goodbye to
everyone and told them we'd see them in Reno later that
night. Never made it, but Cassandra called up to the club and
talked to a roadie who remebered us on the bus and told him
to relay the message to Frank.
I forgot to get the Bones' sig. damn.
(I still have a DT hat with both bands' signatures!)
Zach
rule of thumb: always take a fine woman with you to one of
these shows, you never know what might happen.
p.s. Mike asked about When Dream and James Unite. I guess
that's his vote for the name.
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Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 03:00:49 -0600 (CST)
From: "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: stack of ytsejams
Message-ID: <199412080900.DAA10292@tam2000.tamu.edu>
> From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
> And, both he and Derek again expressed their
> appreciation for getting the stack of ytsejams
> to read on the bus.
well, i hope derek stays with the band, i got to be pretty good friends with
him over the 5 shows i went to. he is the one that asked for the printouts,
and he told me that the next time they tour texas, to find him, and he would
hook me up with whatever i needed (guest list, backstage passes, whatever)
so besides him being a great guy and a very talented musician, i have a
personal interest in him staying with dt :)
if mike portnoy ever gets his hands on this ytsejam, i need an adress to
send his tapes, he wanted to do a trade with me. (not for dt stuff, sorry
everyone) :)
**always looking for rush/dream theater/queensryche/king's x bootlegs**
=============================================================================
Voices repeating me, Brian V. Cox Voices discussing me,
"Feeling threatened? lerxst@tamu.edu "Others steal your thoughts
We reflect your hopes Dream Theater- They're not confined
and fears." A Mind Beside Itself: II. Voices Within your mind."
=============================================================================
check out my new homepage: http://tam2000.tamu.edu/~bvc8995
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Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 03:03:10 -0600 (CST)
From: "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: "true" fans and wdadu
Message-ID: <199412080903.DAA10520@tam2000.tamu.edu>
i hope noone misunderstood me when i talked about being a fan since wdadu.
i never said anything about new converts not being true fans. i don't think
it matters how long you have known about them or how many bootlegs you own.
the only thing that matters is you love the music and it somehow touches you.
all good music is very emotional, and as long as the music connects with you,
that is all the fan you need to be.
**always looking for rush/dream theater/queensryche/king's x bootlegs**
=============================================================================
Voices repeating me, Brian V. Cox Voices discussing me,
"Feeling threatened? lerxst@tamu.edu "Others steal your thoughts
We reflect your hopes Dream Theater- They're not confined
and fears." A Mind Beside Itself: II. Voices Within your mind."
=============================================================================
check out my new homepage: http://tam2000.tamu.edu/~bvc8995
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Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:30:04 -0500
From: <laferrie@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu> (Kevin R Laferriere)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Queensryche
Message-ID: <9412081530.AA17584@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu>
I LOVE Queensryche. They are my favorite band. Geoff Tate and Chris
DeGarmo are the most talented songwriters in the business.
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I'm Dis con nec ted...
- group:'Queensryche', song:'Disconnected', CD:'Promised Land'
Spin the black circle...
- group:'Pearl Jam', song:'Spin The Black Circle', CD:'Vitalogy'
Look in the mirror my friend...
- group:'Dream Theater', song:'The Mirror', CD:'Awake'
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For more information on Queensryche, Pearl Jam, or Dream Theater,
finger laferrie@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu
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Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:51:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam SERVER),
Subject: WWW access via telnet
Message-ID: <199412081551.KAA22538@opal.cs.brandeis.edu>
After seeing sooo many people w/o access to the Web directly from
there school, I remembered how I used to do it before they added Lynx
to my system, and I got a direct connection from my room.
As long as you have access to telnet (that should be 99% of you (the
main system at my school (for non-cosci people) didn't have telnet
until a month ago) you can access by telnetting to www.njit.edu and
logging in as www. This worked a few minths ago, so I imagine it
still does. I am not sure of other sites, but I am sure they exist.
Keep in mind that this is text based, and not as well developed as
other text based browsers such as lynx.
Anyway, this should help...
--
+--------------------------------+---------------+---------------------+
| I never bared my emotions | Dream Theater | Michael Burstin |
| My passion always strong | Scarred | Brandeis University |
| I never lost my devotion | Awake +---------------------+
| but somewhere fate went wrong. | Get AWAKEned today, in stores now |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
http://cs.brandeis.edu/USER/UGRAD/mikeb/home.html
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Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:51:25 -0500 (EST)
From: An Angel's Kiss <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DoE
Message-ID: <m0rFlAQ-0000nqC@donews.cts.com>
yeah, yeah, I know I've said this millions of times but
Does anyone have the 2-camera boot, in its
entirety, of the Dance of Eternity show (Limelight, 3/4/93)
that is willing to trade?
Plese let me know thru private e-mail.....
Also, does anyone have any boots of the current
tour yet?????? please let me know as well.....
Thanks,
Al
!#%&@%^&@#%#^@#$^!#$^#@$%^@#$#^@^%^@$^@#$^@#$%#$%#%@^@^%^%$
Have you stood at the edge of the world
Where the sea and sky collide
And looked up to a distant horizon
And dreamed of drifting away.......
#$^%&@#$^#$%^@#^%^@^#$%@#^@%^#$#$%#$%@#$%^&@#^!^$@#%^@#$^@#$
BALKIEWI @ NJMSA.UMDNJ.EDU
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Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 11:44:10 -0500
From: TTubbiola@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 609: Good Times Virus
Message-ID: <941208114407_589393@aol.com>
I've read a lot about this "Good Times Virus" on the Mac Managers mailing
list and the general consensus seems to be that it is a hoax. This does not
mean that I recommend downloading a file with that name!!!
Just trying to avoid any panic.
Tom Tubbiola
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Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 11:40:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Metal on radio
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9412081151.C15228-0100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
On Tue, 6 Dec 1994 ytsejam@arastar.com wrote:
> > Well, I can't speak for Tampa or Detroit, but New York radio sucks. Q104,
> > which played the hell out of 'Lie", also seems to play the hell out of bad
> > songs as well. They have no variety! It's almost like they are Top 40 metal.
> >
> > Andy
>
> I agree about Q104
>
> Try 89.5FM. It's Seton Hall U's station. Plays metal all week (except
> Sunday's their all Christian). Depending on your reception (the signal
> comes in from NJ so its kinda weak in the city). Easily the station to
> listen to in the NY/NJ area.
>
Isn't it funny? I also get my metal dosage from a college station. Not
the one at Berkeley, though. It's the one at the University of San
Francisco, I guess (is there such a place?). Anyway, if you live in the
Bay Area, their broadcast frequency is 90.4 MHz (maybe 90.3) and they
only play metal after midnight or so. If anybody's got something better
in the SF area, let me know!!!!
> James Bako
> jbako01@barney.poly.edu
> Polytechnic University
> Brooklyn, New York
>
Younis Hilal
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Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:30:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert J Weychert Jr <weyc9212@kutztown.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: My introduction to DT
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9412081535.A7568-0100000@atlantic>
Well, many of you are posting your personal stories about how you got
into Dream Theater, so I figure I may as well do the same...this is taken
from the Dream Theater board on AOL; I posted it there on Oct 23. Here
it is!
Okay...let's see...the very first Dream Theater song I ever heard was
the same as many of yours: Pull Me Under. I heard it on a weekly metal
show on a local radio station ("Rockers" on 93.3 WMMR in Philadelphia)
shortly after "Images and Words" came out. Since it was pretty late, I was
in bed, trying to get to sleep. Luckily, Pull Me Under came on before I
drifted off! This was the first I had ever heard of Dream Theater, but I
REALLY liked what I heard. I was half-asleep at the time, but decided to
write down the band's name in case I forgot it the next morning (a
prudent decision--I can't tell you how many times that's happened to
me!); I was definitely going to check these guys out.
Fast-forward to November of '92. I, my sister, and her boyfriend
were on our way to the Tower in Philly to see Suicidal and Megadeth
(mostly Suicidal) when she locked her keys in her car. I was pissed!
Anyway, by the time we got back into the car, we would have already
missed Suicidal, so we decided to ditch the concert. Where we wound up
instead was Tower Records. While looking around, I reviewed my mental
wish list and remembered Dream Theater. I found "Images and Words" and
put it back, choosing instead to purchase the GWAR "Road Behind" EP. I
decided to put Dream Theater on my Christmas list.
Well, I heard Pull Me Under on that same radio show again before
Christmas and was really itching to get it, but decided to wait it out
'til Christmas. I didn't get it for Christmas! So, two days
later--that's December 27 for anyone who doesn't know :)--I went down to
the local Strawberries and got it. I recognized good old familiar Pull
Me Under right away and loved it, but the rest of the album actually
disappointed me! (This happens to me a lot the first time I listen to a
new album.) I took it out of my tape player and didn't listen to it for
nearly a month. It was at that time I figured maybe they were worth
another try. I liked it better the second listen, even more the third
listen, and so on and so forth. In a day or two, I grew to LOVE this album.
From reading the liner notes in "Images and Words", I determined that
this was not their first album (I noticed it said, "A very special thanks
to all our fans who have written to us throughout the years & have been
so patient...We're Back!"). I HAD to find their earlier stuff, but
everywhere I looked, they couldn't even order it for me. It didn't occur
to me that it might be import only. Anyway, check out this luck: Late in
August of '93 I was in that same Strawberries I got "Images and Words"
from, looking through the budget section, and what should I find for
$2.99 but "When Dream and Day Unite"!! I grabbed it, paid for it, and
was off. After growing in such admiration of this band for the past 9
months, it didn't take me long to fall in love with this album!! About a
month later, I found out from a friend at school that it was pretty hard
to find in this country and usually costed a pretty penny. This only
made me appreciate it more!
This past June, I picked up "Images and Words: Live in Tokyo" and
experienced DT live for the first time. As can be expected, I was
floored. In July, I picked out "Dance of Eternity" froma bunch of DT
imports (the rest of which I'll get someday) at a local flea market.
Finally, August 27th, I arrived at college and was introduced to one of
the greatest music shops I've ever set foot in. Since then, they've
hooked me up with "Live at the Marquee", "The Majesty Demos",
"InstruMENTAL", "When Dream and Day Unite" (on CD finally!), the "Lie"
promo single, and of course, "Awake".
And so, long-winded though it may have been, that is my history as a
Dream Theater fanatic!
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Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:24:34 -0500
From: HuntNKill@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Good Times virus
Message-ID: <941208182433_885288@aol.com>
Dear Jammers,
To answer William Wright's question, the virus only concerns AOL members,
since files can be attached to AOL letters and not internet letters. Also, a
person from tech live told me that the "Good Times" virus is a hoax, so I
wouldn't worry. Oh, this is a DT mailing list, so I'd better say something
about them.
DREAM THEATER RULEZ!!!!!!!!!!!
(C-man, is there any way for me to get backstage passes when DT returns to
New York? My life would be complete when I meet DT)
<<<==<==<=D<=R<=E<=A<=M<==<==<<<</-\-/-\-/-\>>>>==>=T>=H>=E>=A>=T>=E>=R>==>>>
"For the first time in a long time. . .everything was right in my world. . .
vvvvv Jeff C. is:
vvvv vvvvvvvvvvvvv vvvv huntnkill@aol.com
"Every breath vvvv v vvvv HuntNKill
leaves me one vv v v v v v vv
less to my v v v v v v v "How in one
last." v v vv v vv v v night have
-Dream Theater vv v v v v v v v vv we come. . .so far"
vvvv v v v vvvv -Lea Salonga
vvvv vvvvvvvvvvvvv vvvv
vvvvv
. . .and then I woke up."
<<<==<==<=D<=R<=E<=A<=M<==<==<<<<\-/-\-/-\-/>>>>==>=T>=H>=E>=A>=T>=E>=R>==>>>
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Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:22:30 -0500
From: HuntNKill@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: What makes a fan
Message-ID: <941208182133_885377@aol.com>
<< Hello everyone. It seems there is a thread here of folks having to defend
their reasons for being a DT fan by saying when they started listening to the
band, what albums, boots, etc. they own and so on. There are also others who
claim to be "real" or "better" fans based on what DT stuff they own. I say
anyone who can get pleasure out of any band, be it musical appreciation, a
particular emotion, etc. is a fan. The number of albums you have by them or
how many times you've seen them live or whether or not you have their lyrics
memorized should be irrelevant. For myself, I like DT for the feeling I get
when I listen to their music and I'm a drummer so I admire Portnoy's style.
That's it. I *only* have the three studio albums, but that's because my
tastes vary widely and I have only so much money to spend on cd's. I'm also
not a big collector of anything. I have gotten several of my friends to
listen/appreciate DT, and each of them likes something different about the
band. I know someone who LOVES them more than me but doesn't have WDADU
'cause he hates Dominici. Is he a poser, not in my opinion. People listen
to what they listen to for different, personal reasons, and it's not really
for others to judge. Thanks for listening, ALL you DT fans! >>
Amen!!!
<<<==<==<=D<=R<=E<=A<=M<==<==<<<</-\-/-\-/-\>>>>==>=T>=H>=E>=A>=T>=E>=R>==>>>
"For the first time in a long time. . .everything was right in my world. . .
vvvvv Jeff C. is:
vvvv vvvvvvvvvvvvv vvvv huntnkill@aol.com
"Every breath vvvv v vvvv HuntNKill
leaves me one vv v v v v v vv
less to my v v v v v v v "How in one
last." v v vv v vv v v night have
-Dream Theater vv v v v v v v v vv we come. . .so far"
vvvv v v v vvvv -Lea Salonga
vvvv vvvvvvvvvvvvv vvvv
vvvvv
. . .and then I woke up."
<<<==<==<=D<=R<=E<=A<=M<==<==<<<<\-/-\-/-\-/>>>>==>=T>=H>=E>=A>=T>=E>=R>==>>>
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Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:29:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Hailey <pass@u.washington.edu>
To: mail <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Simon and Garfunky
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91c.941208151224.15993B-100000@homer09.u.washington.edu>
I was just listening to S&G's greatest hits (I must admit it was a real
struggle to put something other than DT in my changer -- and there
usually is at least _one_ of them in there most of the time), and I was
thinking, I'd bet that DT would do an especially good job of
doing a cover of "I am a Rock."
Of course, I would expect their version to be much longer, more musically
involved, and overall very different and probably better -- much like
what Yes did with S&G's "America," I guess.
IMO, it would be very much in vein with this current album, tho perhaps
not so much with "industrial bluegrass" :) (Was Mike being serious about
that?? It would definitely be something to hear!)
Just a random thought...
Any other Dream covers out there?
Chris
(no, the other one)
*---* "I am a Rock, I am an Island" -- P.Simon *---*
* *
* R.Christopher Hailey *---* I am one who delights in *
* pass@u.washington.edu * * all manifestation of the *
* tfunster@aol.com *---* terpsichorean muse -- mp *
* *
*---* "One must put up barriers To keep one's self intact" -- N.Peart
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Date: 08 Dec 94 21:20 GMT
From: ALVAREZ1@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Alvarez, Paul)
To: YTSEJAM@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Fans/Material etc. etc.
Message-ID: <786921660.0131419@AppleLink.Apple.COM>
> From: Robert J Weychert Jr <weyc9212@kutztown.edu>
> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
> Subject: Trendy???
> Okay, I've been a subscriber to this list for only a few weeks (those
> of you who are on AOL may know me as BREDSTIK) and have been a lurker
> until now, but I've seen some posts lately that I absolutely MUST comment
> on. First of all, someone actually called certain DT fans TRENDY???? How
> the hell could DT possibly be considered a trend of any kind??? I know
> very few people that have even HEARD of them, let alone heard their
> music. Where were they in 89 when Dream and Day came out? you ask.
> Well, I, for one, was in seventh or eight grade (I don't know what time
> of year it came out) quite content with my Metallica, Anthrax, and
> Megadeth and other such "starter" bands (not to discredit them in any
> way, mind you). The first time I heard of Dream Theater was on a weekly
> hard rock/metal radio show when they played--you guessed it--Pull Me
> Under. I bought I&W on Dec 27, 1992 and have been quite a loyal fan ever
> since. Since then, I have acquired:
--When Dream and Day Unite
--Live at the Marquee
--Images and Words: Live in Tokyo
--Dance of Eternity (single disc import of a show in Buffalo)
--InstruMENTAL
--The Majesty Demo
--Awake
--The Lie promo single
> And I expect to acquire Dance of Eternity (the double disc set) and/or
> Lost in the Sky over Christmas break.
> This is not to say that people who only have I&W and/or Awake are not
> true fans either. If they have these albums, it is because they like the
> music; there is no bandwagon to jump on, no majority to go along with.
> Not everyone is lucky enough to have connections with the Net and good
> import shops nearby like many of us are; the fact that most of the DT
> stuff that's available is import only can be problem for people without
> connections.
> I love Dream Theater. There music pleases me greatly. So I ask you:
> If I didn't hear of them back in '88 or '89, am I not a "true fan"? Is
> Michael Burstin not a "true fan"? Think about it. Dream Theater is not
> and never will be a trend. If you want them all to yourself because you've
> known of them longer, that's pretty damn selfish.
> As for new fans, don't put them down because they're new, encourage
> them! Enlighten them with your resources, encourage them to check out
> everything that's out there! :)
> --Rob
> P.S.--I've only had this Internet address for a couple of months, and I
> don't know how to do one of those neato 'sig' thingies so many of you
> have, so I'd GREATLY appreciate it if someone could E-mail and enlighten
> me! Thanks in advance! :)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert and other jammers,
This is my first posting to this daily dialog. Please tell me more about Dance
of Eternity (both the single disc import and the double disc set you refer to).
I would be interested in getting my local record store to order them if you can
provide catalog numbers etc. Also, what is Lost in the Sky and InstruMENTAL?
I just joined this daily outpouring of info a couple of weeks ago and am trying
to get up to speed on some of the early DT stuff that can be obtained legally.
What I mean here is as follows:
For all of you that create bootleg video and audio tapes of these guys and
others, you're infringing on the rights of the band. Now, before you all
decide to flame me for getting on your case, let me explain. While I can
appreciate the motivation to have as much material as possible, unless the band
approves, you're limiting their ability to develop and market the stuff THEY
want the public to have. Face it, the only way these guys can survive to make
new music for us all, is if they have sufficient revenue coming in from
legitimate offerings THEY choose to provide. I'll accept the possibility that
this is done solely to increase an individuals portfolio of DT material and
that any subsequent duplication for other jammers is done for free to give us
all more to enjoy. I hope I'm right about this but what I believe would be
more appropriate would be to get the band and/or their label to package more of
their early work for general sale (maybe a boxed set with the demos etc.).
It's the old supply/demand scenario. The more the label sees a market, the
more support they're likely to provide the band (more products, broader
marketing of the band, better tours and exposure in larger venues with state of
the are lights/sound etc. including creation of tour videos and live CD's). I
think this could really help the band breakthrough to a larger audience (which
some of you seem to dread).
By the way, I fully agree with the comments regarding who is or who isn't a fan
of DT. I can't believe some of the stuff I read regarding some people's
opinion of who the "real" fans are. I've only known about DT for a year and
having always been a fan of progressive rock (in all forms). I have my own
band doing original progressive material and I have been awestruck by their
musical ability and influenced by them in my songwriting. I have collected as
much stuff as is available in my area including WDADU, LATM, IAW:LIT and Awake.
I agree that a fan is a fan is a fan. How long has NOTHING to do with it.
Anyone that knows how to get more stuff (legitimately), please respond directly
to Alvarez1@AppleLink.Apple.Com
Thanks for letting me vent!
Regards,
Paul
"Take me back, I need to see through the eyes of a child; remembering the days
gone by, if only for awhile"....P.M. Alvarez. copyright 1994
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Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 19:27:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Message from Mike concerning new album
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9412081954.A16018-0100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
On Thu, 8 Dec 1994 ytsejam@arastar.com wrote:
>
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 14:18:02 PST
> From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
> Subject: Message from Mike concerning new album
> Message-ID: <9412072218.AA02278@teng6.fmt>
>
> Anyway, I asked Mike what the style of the
> new album was going to be and he told me to
> tell you guys it will be "Industrial Bluegrass".
Forgive my cluelessness, but what the hell is "Industrial Bluegrass?"
Also, "new album?" I guess we're not talking about the (soon-to-be)
much-anticipated EP, but a brand-new studio-recorded album. Is that the
deal? If so, that is some GREAT news, man!!!!!! It would just mean that
we won't have to wait 3 or 4 years for their next release, that's all!
Younis Hilal
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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 00:21:46 -0500
From: Mozo21@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Rising Power
Message-ID: <941209002145_1145485@aol.com>
I just picked up a CD by a band called Rising Power with 17 year old Mike
Portnoy on drums. The CD is called Power For The People. It's actually not
bad. The production is decent, and the songwriting, while not being very
good, is also not horrendous. Mike even sings backgound vocals.
The CD seems to be pretty legit as the sound quality is better than both
Majesty and Instru Mental CD's and the price was only 15 dollars. This CD had
to have been made from master tapes since the sound is excellent.
Andy
BTW- I taped the New Haven show if anyone wants to trade.
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Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:07:11 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Poster is here!
Message-ID: <199412090607.AA11719@crl9.crl.com>
Got the promo poster today! Well, I got at least the mailing
tube; haven't opened it yet. But -something- arrived from the
mighty C-Man.
No more room on the walls.....no room on the ceiling, either.
(Really). *sigh* We'll have to sacrifice someone. :)
--
Paul W. Cashman | When there is Reason / Tonight I'm Awake
vanyel@crl.com | When there's no answer / Arrive the Silent Man
Dream Theater | If there is Balance / Tonight he's Awake
"The Silent Man" --> If they have to suffer / There lies the Silent Man
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:48:30 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Message from Mike concerning new album
Message-ID: <9412090648.AA02312@teng6.fmt>
Thus I spake:
> > Anyway, I asked Mike what the style of the
> > new album was going to be and he told me to
> > tell you guys it will be "Industrial Bluegrass".
And thus you replied:
> Forgive my cluelessness, but what the hell is "Industrial Bluegrass?"
> Also, "new album?" I guess we're not talking about the (soon-to-be)
> much-anticipated EP, but a brand-new studio-recorded album. Is that the
> deal? If so, that is some GREAT news, man!!!!!! It would just mean that
> we won't have to wait 3 or 4 years for their next release, that's all!
He meant it as a joke, but he was serious when he told me to tell
the list. I asked he and James if they were writing anything for
their next studio album. James said "No", but "...a few of the
guys were kicking around ideas." Although I think he said that
just to satiate me.
As for Mike's "idea" of the style for the next album, there
could be a hidden meaning there, but it's something best
not discussed among friends, and I think we should leave it
at that !>)>
Zach
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 22:40:30 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Fans/Material etc. etc.
Message-ID: <9412090640.AA02308@teng6.fmt>
> Robert and other jammers,
>
> This is my first posting to this daily dialog. Please tell me more about Dance
> of Eternity (both the single disc import and the double disc set you refer to).
> I would be interested in getting my local record store to order them if you can
> provide catalog numbers etc. Also, what is Lost in the Sky and InstruMENTAL?
> I just joined this daily outpouring of info a couple of weeks ago and am trying
> to get up to speed on some of the early DT stuff that can be obtained legally.
It can all be obtained *legally* (and has been by list members). It was
*made* legally in another country. Whether it was *sold* legally, well...
> What I mean here is as follows:
>
> For all of you that create bootleg video and audio tapes of these guys and
> others, you're infringing on the rights of the band. Now, before you all
> decide to flame me for getting on your case, let me explain. While I can
> appreciate the motivation to have as much material as possible, unless the band
> approves, you're limiting their ability to develop and market the stuff THEY
> want the public to have. Face it, the only way these guys can survive to make
> new music for us all, is if they have sufficient revenue coming in from
> legitimate offerings THEY choose to provide. I'll accept the possibility that
> this is done solely to increase an individuals portfolio of DT material and
> that any subsequent duplication for other jammers is done for free to give us
> all more to enjoy. I hope I'm right about this but what I believe would be
> more appropriate would be to get the band and/or their label to package more of
> their early work for general sale (maybe a boxed set with the demos etc.).
> It's the old supply/demand scenario. The more the label sees a market, the
> more support they're likely to provide the band (more products, broader
> marketing of the band, better tours and exposure in larger venues with state of
> the are lights/sound etc. including creation of tour videos and live CD's). I
> think this could really help the band breakthrough to a larger audience (which
> some of you seem to dread).
I don't understand what the hell the problem is with fans buying boots.
Although I know next to nothing about profit margins for bootleg manu-
factureres, I seriously doubt they are anything really big. Metallica
understands this, and they *encourage* bootlegs of their stuff. Witness:
all the soundboard Met. boots that exist and permission of audio/vid
taping at a lot of shows. Mike understands this, too. The most dedicated
fan base for a band are the ones who collect the boots and _they already
have everything the band has put out officially_.
> Thanks for letting me vent!
Do we have a choice !>\>
> Regards,
>
> Paul
>
> "Take me back, I need to see through the eyes of a child; remembering the days
> gone by, if only for awhile"....P.M. Alvarez. copyright 1994
Zach
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