YTSEJAM Digest 623
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Public Service Announcement
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
2) Tour 95
by Flygare Anders <flyer@mallan.msmail.lm.se>
3) finding rare stuff
by ACW1066@aol.com
4) IAW/AWAKE COMPARISON
by BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu
5) Cycles of information
by William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
6) Re: UK tour dates
by Eijk.Oscar.van@uniface.nl (Oscar van Eijk)
7) DT and radio battles
by ACW1066@aol.com
8) EUROPEAN TOUR DATES
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
9) RE: YTSEJAM digest 622
by TOMMY MC <TMCCUDD1@ithaca.edu>
10) RE: I&W & Awake
by "Debra D. Hanson 813-332-1969" <HANSOND@mail.firn.edu>
11) Re: IME / DT airplay
by ba991@yfn.ysu.edu (David Rolla)
12) RE: DT and radio battles
by freel@Iowa.Physics.UIowa.EDU
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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 03:17:13 PST
From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Public Service Announcement
Message-ID: <199412201117.DAA09373@netcom12.netcom.com>
You'd have spent a lot on your tape deck if it responded up to 20khz...
but the reason they gave you for not doing high-speed recording is kind of
trivial. The true reason, if you care for quality, for NOT recording at
high speed is the increased rate of phasal shifting and wow and flutter.
Tape is an analog source, therefore has no absolute time code. Only the
finest tape decks can have minimal wow and flutter. The reason for the
increased phase shift is because at higher speeds, the magnetic heads
respond to changes differently, increasing the instabilities of the
magnetic phases on an analog signal.
-The Doc
>I just thought that I would leave a little infomative message for
>all of my fellow tape trades on the Ytsejam. I'm sure some of you
>are aware of this but there may be others that are not.
>
>DO NOT USE HIGH SPEED DUBBING TO COPY TAPES!!!!!!!!!!!!
>(if you are at all concerned about quality, that is)
>
>Please don't ask me exactly why. Once I posted a question about this
>on one of the audio newsgroups where all the techies hang out. The
>explanation is something like this.
>
>When the tape spins twice as fast, it doubles the frequencies that the
>tape is sending out. Say the max what 20,000hz (or whatever the
>max is) and when doubled it would be 40,000. When you are trying to put
>that on the second tape, you loose alot of the upper freq range because
>the tape you are putting it on can also only handle up 20,000.
>
>I know that this is probably not the exact explanation but it is something
>along this line. Please don't flame me on this, its just what I have heard
>and tested for myself. I compared normal speed copies and hi-speed dubs and
>its easy to tell the difference.
>
>So please don't use hi-speed dub, especially when trading with others.
>You may not care for your own tapes but others will appreciate the
>higher quality.
>
>Thanks for reading!
>
>
>Also, anyone know where I can get ahold of the CiaW single or the
>Lie single with To Live Forever? cdeurope.com has something called
>a Lie -3 track- single. I guess one of those tracks would be
>TLF but they don't tell you track listings and I can't really gamble
>$12.95 right now.... If anyone checks into it, please let me (us)
>know. Thanks!
>
>**************************************************************************
>* Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu *
>* *
>* You're fighting the weight of the world, *
>* and no one can save you this time. *
>* Close your eyes - you can find all you need in your mind. *
>* *
>* "Take the Time" - Dream Theater *
>**************************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 94 13:44:00 PST From: Flygare Anders <flyer@mallan.msmail.lm.se> To: Ytsejam Dream Theatre <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Tour 95 Message-ID: <2EF7508C@msmail.lm.se>
Does anyone know the tourdates for Sweden or Scandinavia ?
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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 10:34:10 -0500 From: ACW1066@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: finding rare stuff Message-ID: <941220103408_2778698@aol.com>
I know most of you have insane amounts of rare DT stuff, so this may be a worthless message, but for those of you who like me are frustrated with not being able to find import versions of albums and other stuff, pick up a Goldmine magazine. It's full of ads with thousands and thousands of things listed. As I browse, I lok for DT among a few others, and there were a few listings here and there. Goldmine is in newspaper form, and available at bigger newsstands and bookstores.
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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 11:57:13 -0500 (EST) From: BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: IAW/AWAKE COMPARISON Message-ID: <01HKV60JMMCY0002IS@sgenva.CC.GENESEO.EDU>
Hello, it's Babs. In response to Dr. Mosh's question on how AWAKE compares to IAW I feel that they did a really good job. The first track I heard off of AWAKE was Lie and that was via college radio. I was turned off at first, I didn't think that they had continued with the style of a song flowing into another, etc. So I waited for about a month and broke down and bought it. I began to appreciate Lie after hearing how it followed Mirror and then ran into Lifting Shadows Off a Dream. LaBrie's voice capabilities are phenomenal! I can honestly say that I love AWAKE. I feel that DT gave us a wonderful "second time around" - I know that I will catch hell on that one because I know that IAW was not their first,but I consider it to be. Take care fellow ytsejam's. I would like to wish you and any of the DT guys (if they check out the list) a wonderful and safe holiday. Anyone with a difficult family (like mine) hang in there, it's only for a couple of days, eh? -BABS
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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 11:15:46 -0700 (MST) From: William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Cycles of information Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9412201141.A18158-0100000@casual1>
Hey guys,
Does anyone think that all the flames and arguments about different bands, singers, musicians, etc results from a lack of anything interesting to discuss? Before Awake came out, everyone was excited and discussing the possible directions DT would take, and when it came out everyone talked about their opinions of it. Then when DT went on tour, people gave reviews, etc. It just seems that when there's a lull in DT info, the flames and discussion of other topics and bands begins.
Has anyone else observed this?
Will
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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 14:50:33 +0100 From: Eijk.Oscar.van@uniface.nl (Oscar van Eijk) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: UK tour dates Message-ID: <94122014503373@uniface.nl>
> I have all the European dates and will post them if anyone wants me to. Let > me know.
YES please, let me know ! (and a lot of other Europeans, I'm sure, there's not enough promo over here I guess)
Also, if dates of Fates Warning, Queensryche and Psychotic Waltz are known, anyone, please inform me!
aTdHvAaNnKcSe Oscar
--------- Abandon Hope Oscar van Eijk All Ye O s c a r VMS Systems Administrator Who Enter Here oscar@uniface.nl Uniface Advanced Technology BV Amsterdam ZO, the Netherlands
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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 15:35:23 -0500 From: ACW1066@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT and radio battles Message-ID: <941220153520_2981260@aol.com>
Someone posted that DT was in a local station's battle of the bands type thing, and beat a cheap ripoff of Blues Traveler, and as a big Blues Traveler fan, I researched it. Turns out it was the Dave Matthews Band, with John Popper of Blues Traveler guesting on harp, thus the remarkable resemblance to himself.
In my humble opinion, putting Dream Theater against the Dave Matthews Band, or Blues Traveler is like comparing chess strategy to quantum physics. They are two entirley different things, both worthwhile in their own areas, but not comparable. I am a HUGE fan of both BT and DT, but sometimes I'm in the mood for one or the other. I'd hate to see people arguing over which is better.
I hate labels and all that, but DT should be pitted against other metal bands, whom they would thrash soundly, exposing them to an audience that needs to hear them - i.e. Bon Jovi, Poison, AC/DC (now there is a vocalist who we can say is definitely inferior to any of DT's members past/present)
PEACE Andy (PS - are there any other Traveler fans on this net? I know there are many metal and/or progressive purists here, and that's cool, but since the subject has already been brought up, I'd like to hear personally from folks whose tastes range from DT to BT. I would bet though that I may be the only subscriber to both ytsejam and the blues traveler lists. ;-}
"Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end." - Ambassador Spock - Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country
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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 13:30:56 PST From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: EUROPEAN TOUR DATES Message-ID: <199412202130.NAA02992@netcom4.netcom.com>
From: PROGnosis1@aol.com Okay, you asked for 'em! You got 'em!!;-)
Dream Theater-Europe '95
February: 02 GER Bielefeld, PC 69 03 GER Furth, Stadthalle 04 GER Munich, Terminal 1 06 GER Ludwigsburg, Forum 07 GER Leipzig, Auensee 08 GER Hannover, Music Hall 10 GER Offenback, Stadthalle 11 GER Dusseldorf, Philipshalle 13 BEL Gent, Vooruit 14 HOL Utrecht, Musikcentrum 15 HOL Utrecht, Musikcentrum 17 DEN Copenhagen, Aleexandra 18 SWE Malmo, KB 19 NOR Oslo, Rockefeller 20 SWE Stockholm, Cirkus 22 FIN Helsinki, Tavastia 25 GER Rendsburg, Nordmarkhallee 26 GER Berlin, Huxleys Neue Welt 27 GER Bremen, Aladin
March 01 GER Hamburg, Docks 02 GER Hamburg, Docks (option) 04 AUS Wels, Alter Schlachthof 06 ITA Rome, Teatro Tenda A Strisse 07 ITA Milan, Palasesto 08 SWI Zurich, Volkshaus 10 SPA Vittorio, El Elefante Blanco 11 SPA Madrid, Sala Canciller II 13 FRA Paris, Elysee Montmartre 15 SCO Glasgow, Garage 16 IRE Belfast, The Limelight 17 IRE Dublin, Tivoli 19 ENG Manchester, University 20 ENG Nottignham, Rock City 21 ENG London, Forum
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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:01:14 -0500 (EST) From: TOMMY MC <TMCCUDD1@ithaca.edu> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 622 Message-ID: <6714011820121994/A93823/IC1/118CA4801400*@MHS>
I want to cancel my subscription to this service because I will not be at this adress for nine months! Tom McCudden tmccudd1@ithaca.edu
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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:56:07 EST From: "Debra D. Hanson 813-332-1969" <HANSOND@mail.firn.edu> To: "ytsejam@arastar.com" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: RE: I&W & Awake Message-ID: <E1612ZVNVU70CD*/R=FIRNVX/R=A1/U=HANSOND/@MHS>
I think I & W and Awake are completely different in so many ways. First, I miss the keyboards that were so prevalant in I&W, even though they are there in Awake, the sound is different. The most obvious difference to me is the crunchy heaviness of Awake and the darker lyrics perhaps resulting from the imminent departure of Kevin. Musically, the band is just as complex as ever, particularly in songs like Scarred and Mirror. But Metropolis Part 1 is still a favorite for me musically.
It was I&W that made me a DT fan to begin with, but Awake has an emotional pull that reaches even deeper.
Just my two cents...
Happy Holidays all!
Deb
P.S. Jason G - got the shirt today - awesome work -thanks!
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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 21:53:04 -0500 From: ba991@yfn.ysu.edu (David Rolla) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: IME / DT airplay Message-ID: <199412210253.AA20025@yfn.ysu.edu>
Mike P...you were asking about Armando Borg of IME...in the CD liner notes, he is not listed as a member of the band. They do mention his name under 'Additional Musicians' along with Luis Conti.
As for DT airplay, I have heard them twice on the station in Youngstown OH. I believe it was Lie the first time and CiaW the second time. They only had them on *really* late at night both times, but I suppose that's fitting...they play some really awful shit during the day. For that reason, I don't listen to them much, but I decided to try something yesterday. I called the station and requested them. I listened for about 2 hours, and they never played it (I asked for Lie OR Ciaw). Interesting, because it was the same DJ who played CiaW only 2 weeks ago, and when it finished, she says "that's Dream Theater...Wowww !"
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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 02:03:55 CST From: freel@Iowa.Physics.UIowa.EDU To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: RE: DT and radio battles Message-ID: <009893FF.93383E60.7808@Iowa.Physics.UIowa.EDU>
>Someone posted that DT was in a local station's battle of the bands type >thing, and beat a cheap ripoff of Blues Traveler, and as a big Blues Traveler >fan, I researched it. Turns out it was the Dave Matthews Band, with John >Popper of Blues Traveler guesting on harp, thus the remarkable resemblance to >himself.
Heh... I found that out from a local bbs here in Iowa later on.
>In my humble opinion, putting Dream Theater against the Dave Matthews Band, >or Blues Traveler is like comparing chess strategy to quantum physics. They >are two entirley different things, both worthwhile in their own areas, but >not comparable. I am a HUGE fan of both BT and DT, but sometimes I'm in the >mood for one or the other. I'd hate to see people arguing over which is >better.
Ok, I'm game: who gets to be the "Quantum Physics Band"? (physics grad student talking here :^) )
>I hate labels and all that, but DT should be pitted against other metal >bands, whom they would thrash soundly, exposing them to an audience that >needs to hear them - i.e. Bon Jovi, Poison, AC/DC (now there is a vocalist >who we can say is definitely inferior to any of DT's members past/present)
I agree, but you'll never see that in a market like eastern Iowa, unless someone imports about 500,000 metalheads. Out here, you take what you can get. It's doubly bad, because I went as an undergrad to SUNY Albany (NY), where they had an esp. cool Z-Rock affiliate, and only started listening my last semester of senior year (the spring of 93). Dream Theater was all over Z-Rock then; they played Pull Me Under, TTT, Another Day, and Under a Glass Moon on a regular basis those 3 months, plus even Metropolis a couple of times! All unedited!!
If they play the album version of CIAW around here, I don't care what the reason is, I'll do what I can to hear it played again.
>PEACE Andy >(PS - are there any other Traveler fans on this net? I know there are many >metal and/or progressive purists here, and that's cool, but since the subject >has already been brought up, I'd like to hear personally from folks whose >tastes range from DT to BT. I would bet though that I may be the only >subscriber to both ytsejam and the blues traveler lists. ;-}
I personally like Blues Traveler; saw 'em 3 times live, even. That's partially why I was upset to hear what I thought was a bad rip-off... I don't subscribe to the BT list, tho
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