YTSEJAM Digest 624
Today's Topics:
1) Re: I&W & Awake
by Eijk.Oscar.van@uniface.nl (Oscar van Eijk)
2) QR-tour; Oblivion Knight
by wagner@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de
3) Videos wanted
by wagner@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de
4) QR dates anyone?
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
5) I&W vs. Awake vs. WDADU
by John Mastin <jmastin@motown.ge.com>
6) LIE - maxi vinyl
by freak@cube.net (Alex Reinelt)
7) Re: I&W & Awake
by EMRST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu
8) Taping Shows
by text string <SMITSM@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu>
9) Re: I&W & Awake
by Stephan Dobay <sdobay@wam.umd.edu>
10) Lie UK single release
by HuntNKill@aol.com
11) UK Tour Dates
by mtiplady@cix.compulink.co.uk (Mark Tiplady)
12) Re: I&W & Awake
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
13) DT Tour Date Master List
by "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:00:43 +0100
From: Eijk.Oscar.van@uniface.nl (Oscar van Eijk)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: I&W & Awake
Message-ID: <94122110004331@uniface.nl>
In my opinion, the main difference between I&W and Awake, is that I&W is a
collection of songs, while Awake is a real album; theme's from one song return
in another, the whole album is in balance. Awake is not the kind of album
you play with your CD-player on 'shuffle'.
Oscar.
Btw. From everybody on this list to everybody on this list (so we don't need
*ev'rybody* to send this message:-});
Merry Xmas
---------
Abandon Hope Oscar van Eijk
All Ye O s c a r VMS Systems Administrator
Who Enter Here oscar@uniface.nl Uniface Advanced Technology BV
Amsterdam ZO, the Netherlands
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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 14:01:12 +0100 (MEZ)
From: wagner@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (ytsejam)
Subject: QR-tour; Oblivion Knight
Message-ID: <9412211301.AA01764@amata.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>
Hello,
soneone asked for the Queensryche tourdates. Here they are as posted in
the QR-diggest 'Screaming In Digital'.
February - Europe
Feb 09, 1995 - Barrowland, Glasgow UK
Feb 10, 1995 - Apollo, Manchester UK
Feb 11, 1995 - City Hall, Sheffield UK
Feb 13, 1995 - Royal Concert Hall, Nottingham UK
Feb 14, 1995 - Civic Hall, Wolverhampton UK
Feb 16, 1995 - Town & Country Club, Leeds UK
Feb 17, 1995 - Centre, Newport UK
Feb 19, 1995 - Forest National, Brussels BE
Feb 20, 1995 - Elysee Montmartre, Paris FR
Feb 22, 1995 - Hugenottenhalle, Neu Isenberg DE
Feb 23, 1995 - Capitol, Hannover DE
Feb 24, 1995 - Grosse Freiheit, Hamburg DE
Feb 26, 1995 - Cirkus, Stockholm SE
Feb 27, 1995 - KB Halle, Copenhagen, DE
Feb 28, 1995 - Huxley's Neue Welt, Berlin DE
March - Europe
Mar 01, 1995 - Congress Centrum, Stuttgart DE
Mar 03, 1995 - Palalido, Milan IT
Mar 04, 1995 - Volkshaus, Zurich CH
Mar 05, 1995 - Terminal 1, Munich DE
Mar 07, 1995 - E-Werk, Cologne DE
Mar 08, 1995 - Ahoy, Rotterdam NL
Mar 10, 1995 - Royal Albert Hall, London UK
March - Japan
Mar 16, 1995 - Kose Nenkin Hall, Tokyo JP
Mar 17, 1995 - Osawka JP
Mar 18, 1995 - Sun Palace, Fukuoka JP
Mar 20, 1995 - Sun Plaza, Tokyo JP
Mar 22, 1995 - T-21, Sendai Zumi JP
Mar 23, 1995 - Club Chitta, Kawasaki JP
Mar 24, 1995 - Kanni-Hoken Hall, Tokyo JP
BTW, does anybody know the demotape from Oblivion Knight??? I'm just
asking because Chriss Collins has done the vocals after he left Majesty, and
it is verry good.
Later
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---- Freedom belongs only to those without video screens for eyes and mouth ----
---------------------- Queensryche - Screaming In Digital ----------------------
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- Peace comes through thinking with our hearts and not with words. Until then -
----------------- we'll light another candle for this world. -------------------
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Till 'Tillroy' Wagner <wagner@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>
Elisabethenstr. 42f; D-63225 Langen; Germany
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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 14:04:50 +0100 (MEZ)
From: wagner@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (ytsejam)
Subject: Videos wanted
Message-ID: <9412211304.AA01785@amata.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>
I'm searching for PAL-Videos of Dream Theater (Awake-tour, limelight-show)
and Queensryche (Empire-tour and Show-Cases Promissed Land)
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---- Freedom belongs only to those without video screens for eyes and mouth ----
---------------------- Queensryche - Screaming In Digital ----------------------
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- Peace comes through thinking with our hearts and not with words. Until then -
----------------- we'll light another candle for this world. -------------------
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Till 'Tillroy' Wagner <wagner@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>
Elisabethenstr. 42f; D-63225 Langen; Germany
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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 04:59:31 -0600 (CST)
From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: QR dates anyone?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.941221045705.11567A-100000@comp>
Sorry if this is off topic, but I've already gotten my taste of Dream
Theater and Fates Warning live on their current tour, so anyone know when
Queensryche is planning a tour? Anybody out there got some dates for
me? And one more thing: I think I heard mention of DT coming back to
the states for some more touring, if so anyone got dates for that because
I would love to see them again. Thanks...
Ed.
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| Religion and sex are powerplays, | ereed@comp.uark.edu |
| Manipulate the people for the money they pay, | ehr@engr.uark.edu |
| Selling skin, selling god, | |
| The numbers look the same on their credit card.| Ed! |
\---- Queensryche -- Spreading the Disease -----------------------/
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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 08:57:41 -0500
From: John Mastin <jmastin@motown.ge.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: I&W vs. Awake vs. WDADU
Message-ID: <199412211357.IAA14060@cybertron>
OK Doc,
Well, I guess I'm partial to I&W being that it was the first
DT stuff I ever owned. I bought Awake the first day it came out and it is
growing on me... Being a relative newbie, I have never heard WDADU (yes, sad
but true!!!!) I plan to get it in the coming year once the Christmas fiasco
is over and done with. I did see the live in Tokyo tape and I must say that
I was blown away with their live musicianship! They appear to be as awesome
in concert as they are in the studio. I missed the east coast leg of this tour
(I joined the list after they were done playing in the area... what a double
loser I am! :D ) I do plan to see them when they come back to the east coast.
(Anybody know when?)
I think that Kevin Moore will be sorely missed. He was a part of the whole
machine that made DT. Perhaps they will make amends and come back. Being a
keyboard player, I was blown away by his work. I'm sure that Derek subs in
nicely but there is no substitute for the real thing. His songwriting is
awesome and so is his playing. The next guy will have some BIG shoes to
fill. 'Nuff said.
BTW, to all of you people out there that ordered Ytsejam shirts. I received
mine and I must say, IT IS AWESOME!!!!! Thanks, Jason!
Johnny
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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 16:40:09 MET
From: freak@cube.net (Alex Reinelt)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: LIE - maxi vinyl
Message-ID: <m0rKT98-0000ynC@cubnt1.cube.net>
HI ytsejammers....
Though I havent listened to it yet, I just want to say, that I am very
please to find the LIE vinyl maxi single here in the heart of munich
just like every other record - it just stood there under "d" for 15marks
(about $10), course I bought it, like i did allready with the Lie maxi
cd. Yes, my vinyl comes also with the fanzine and this TTT-demo tune...
its christmas.....
Freak
( Alexander Reinelt from Munich/Germany
) freak@cube.net Alex_Reinelt@2:2480/66
( fax:(++ 49 89) 689 18 71 voice:(++ 49 89) 68 33 40
) "So speak .... I'm right here !" (Dream Theater - Voices)
>>> keep your ATARI ST/TT running!!! >>>
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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 11:16:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: EMRST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: I&W & Awake
Message-ID: <01HKWJ3KGM6QBNJ9R1@vms.cis.pitt.edu>
>In my opinion, the main difference between I&W and Awake, is that I&W is a
>collection of songs, while Awake is a real album; theme's from one song return
>in another, the whole album is in balance. Awake is not the kind of album
>you play with your CD-player on 'shuffle'.
I agree somewhat, Awake does flow. But if the songs were meant to be listened
to in that order, they wouldn't have messed up the order on the cassette, or
omitted Scarred.
KAI
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Date: 21 Dec 1994 10:45:52 -0600 (CST)
From: text string <SMITSM@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Taping Shows
Message-ID: <01HKWHPSN4TE0000Z8@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu>
Date sent: 21-DEC-1994 10:35:02
A while back someone told everyone to go tape the shows you go to.
I can only firmly back this statement up. PLEASE DO. Sure you can't
scream your head off, thrash around, go get a beer, go to the bathroom, or
other miscellaneous activities at shows....but you'll have a tape of the
show you were at documented in time for all traders to obtain for their
archives. I started taping shows (of other bands before DT ever toured)
because no one else in my damn area was taping the shows I was at so I
decided to get off my ass and change that. I do like to not tape shows on
occasion, but I make sure someone else is taping the show beforehand.
About all that high speed dubbing....was someone actually doing
this in your trades? Yipes. Has anyone ever had a problem with people
messing with the speed of the tape? I was trading with a Rush trader who
went bezerk when he got a new pitch-control deck and messed with all the
dubs to make them come out really slow.
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* "Your brothers.....they echo your words!
* How far to the point of no return?" - Kansas 1977
*
* *** Always interested in trading Kansas shows ***
* Steve Smits Smitsm@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu
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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 12:05:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephan Dobay <sdobay@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: I&W & Awake
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9412211103.D26442-0100000@rac8.wam.umd.edu>
I agree with what Oscar said...that Awake is a cohesive album, rather than
a collection of songs. I mean, I know a lot of people were disappointed
when they first heard Lie on its own...but how many people reconsidered
when the heard it as it was meant to be, following the Mirror? Hearing it
that way, I gained a greater appreciation for it. I think the whole album
just flows that way, one song leading perfectly into the next. IMHO, of
course.
On another subject, anyone want to recommend a good setup for covert
recording? Or tell me where to look to get this kind of equipment?
Unfortuanetly, I don't get any of the bootleg newsgroups, so I figured
I would ask here. Later.
--Stephan
--sdobay@wam.umd.edu
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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 15:51:42 -0500
From: HuntNKill@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Lie UK single release
Message-ID: <941221155142_3970176@aol.com>
Dear jammers,
I just got the Lie UK single. It has four tracks on it - Lie (edit), Space
Die Vest, To Live Forever (Studio), and Another Day (Live at the Marquee).
Hope this helps. Oh, I got it for $9.99.
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"For the first time in a long time. . .everything was right in my world. . .
. . .and then I woke up."
Jeff C. is:
HuntNKill "What a journey it has been,
huntnkill and the end is not in sight.
But the stars are out tonight
"I can see much clearer now, and they're bound to guide my way"
I'm blind." - L. Salonga
"Oh that this too, too solid flesh would melt. . ."
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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 20:56 GMT
From: mtiplady@cix.compulink.co.uk (Mark Tiplady)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: UK Tour Dates
Message-ID: <memo.600168@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Hi, I'm new to this 'net life so forgive me if I screw up! Can anyone
please confirm the UK tour dates? Someone previously posted that DT
would be playing the Forum on 21st March but when I rang them they didn't
know anything about it!
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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 18:11:43 -0600 (CST)
From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: I&W & Awake
Message-ID: <199412220011.SAA02338@galaxy.galstar.com>
> In my opinion, the main difference between I&W and Awake, is that I&W is a
> collection of songs, while Awake is a real album; theme's from one song return
> in another, the whole album is in balance. Awake is not the kind of album
> you play with your CD-player on 'shuffle'.
Yes... as is Operation: mindcrime. I think thats one of the things I like
about Awake the most. While I think IAW had the best possible order for
songs, it still didn't seem to fuse together as Awake did. However I like
some of the songs more on IAW. I guess I could put it this way, as a
whole Awake is my favorite, however some of the songs on IAW beat all of
the songs on Awake.
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Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 00:01:27 -0600 (CST)
From: "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com, mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu (Michael Burstin),
Subject: DT Tour Date Master List
Message-ID: <199412220601.AAA27090@tam2000.tamu.edu>
hi there everyone...
i have a little free time on my hands, and am wanting to work on a project
i have been putting off for a while, and one which needs to be done soon
before dream theater tours as many times as rush :)
anyway, i am wanting to compile a list of all the shows dream theater has
played, including some indication of which shows are known to have been
taped.
what i need from you guys is this:
get out your old ticket stubs from the last tour, and email the dates/
cities/venues/opening acts of the shows you went to.
DO NOT send me shows from images tour that are out on bootlegs, i don't
want everyone emailing me. just send the ones that you went to or know the
date of that aren't widely known.
if such a list already exists somewhere for the images tour, please
someone send me a copy or point me to it..
also, i need corrections to the existing list. i need to know which
shows were cancelled/venues changed/etc.
here is the current list, i will be adding all the images shows that i
know of from cd boots and tapes, etc tongiht, so send me as much as you
can.
everyone's help is greatly appreciated...
oh yeah, put "tour date" somewhere in the subject field...
Dream Theater Tour Dates
Awake Tour 1994/1995
Updated 12/21/94
Compiled by Brian V. Cox (lerxst@tamu.edu)
First Leg: (North America)
I Mother Earth opening:
10/20/94 Providence,RI The Strand
10/21/94 Boston Berklee Performance Center
10/22/94 New Haven,CT Palace Theater
10/24/94 Buffalo,NY Connecticut Street Armory
10/25/94 Toronto, CA RPM Warehouse
10/27/94 Baltimore Hammerjacks
10/28/94 New York City, NY Manhattan Center
10/29/94 Pittsburgh Metropol
10/31/94 Columbus, OH Newport Music Hall
11/01/94 Grand Rapids, MI Orbit Room
11/04/94 Milwaukee, WI Ray's Eagles Auditorium
11/05/94 Chicago Vic Theater
11/06/94 Detroit State Theater
11/08/94 Minneapolis, MN Mirage
Fates Warning Opening:
11/10/94 St. Louis, MO American Theatre
11/11/94 Kansas City Memorial Hall
11/12/94 Oklahoma City, OK Roxy Music Hall
11/14/94 San Antonio, TX Majestic Theatre
11/16/94 Dallas, TX Deep Ellum Live (rescheduled from 11/14)
11/17/94 Austin, TX The Terrace
11/18/94 Houston, TX Tower Theater
11/19/94 Lubbock, TX TBA (Cancelled)
11/20/94 El Paso, TX County Coliseum
11/21/94 Albuquerque, NM Zipperz
11/22/94 Denver, CO Mammoth Events Center
11/23/94 Colorado Springs, CO TBA (Cancelled)
11/25/94 Salt Lake City, UT Salt Air
11/26/94 Boise, ID TBA
11/27/94 Seattle, WA Moore Theatre
11/29/94 Portland, OR Roseland Theatre
12/01/94 San Francisco, CA The Warfield
12/02/94 Sacremento, CA TBA
12/04/94 Tucson, AZ Buena Vista Theater
12/05/94 Phoenix (Tempe), AZ Club Rio
12/06/94 Las Vegas, NV The Huntridge
12/08/94 San Diego, CA TBA
12/09/94 Hollywood, CA The Palace
Second Leg: (Europe)
02/02/95 Bielefeld, Germany PC 69
02/03/95 Furth, Germany Stadthalle
02/04/95 Munich, Germany Terminal 1
02/06/95 Ludwigsburg, Germany Forum
02/07/95 Leipzig, Germany Auensee
02/08/95 Hannover, Germany Music Hall
02/10/95 Offenback, Germany Stadthalle
02/11/95 Dusseldorf, Germany Philipshalle
02/13/95 Gent, Belgium Vooruit
02/14/95 Utrecht, Holland Musikcentrum
02/15/95 Utrecht, Holland Musikcentrum
02/17/95 Copenhagen, Denmark Aleexandra
02/18/95 Malmo, Sweden KB
02/19/95 Oslo, Norway Rockefeller
02/20/95 Stockholm, Swedend Cirkus
02/22/95 Helsinki, Finland Tavastia
02/25/95 Rendsburg, Germany Nordmarkhallee
02/26/95 Berlin, Germany Huxleys Neue Welt
02/27/95 Bremen, Germany Aladin
03/01/95 Hamburg, Germany Docks
03/02/95 Hamburg, Germany Docks (option)
03/04/95 Wels, Austria Alter Schlachthof
03/06/95 Rome, Italy Teatro Tenda A Strisse
03/07/95 Milan, Italy Palasesto
03/08/95 Zurich, Switzerland Volkshaus
03/10/95 Vittorio, Spain El Elefante Blanco
03/11/95 Madrid, Spain Sala Canciller II
03/13/95 Paris, France Elysee Montmartre
03/15/95 Glasgow, Scotland Garage
03/16/95 Belfast, Ireland The Limelight
03/17/95 Dublin, Ireland Tivoli
03/19/95 Manchester, England University
03/20/95 Nottingham, England Rock City
03/21/95 London, England The Forum
Eastwest Records America:
(212)275-2500
**always looking for rush/dream theater/queensryche/king's x bootlegs**
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"Feeling threatened? lerxst@tamu.edu "Others steal your thoughts
We reflect your hopes Dream Theater- They're not confined
and fears." A Mind Beside Itself: II. Voices Within your mind."
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