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Re: DT group? ("Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>)
Re: What I just read in Screaming In Digital!!! ("Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 392 (khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson))
Re: Fates Warning (fcichy@torblednam.apana.org.au (Filip at Home))
Re: DT Newsgroup (Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>)
Surrounded (Brent Phillips <panther@clove.lcs.mit.edu>)
Re: DT touring with queensryche ? (kervahut@entaluve.cam.org (Tanguy Kervahut))
(Thomas Hartmann <thatsu@leland.Stanford.EDU>)
Re: BDAYS (Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>)
Queensryche and Dream Theater ("backof michael ( bs ifsm)" <mbacko1@umbc.edu>)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 392 (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
Re: DT + QR (greg@hal.tor.canisc.ibm.com (Greg "Big Brother" Lee))
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Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 01:59:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
Subject: Re: DT group?
> Is there a DT newsgroup or what? My newsreader automatically
> scans for new groups and lists them when I log on, but I
> haven't found it when I've searched for it either.
Same here; no sign of the group. Yet, anyway. Since it was an
unauthorized (" ") newsgroup creation, local admins are apparently
given the choice as to whether it gets picked up.
-- Once you're touched you stand alone | Paul W. Cashman To face the bitter fight | vanyel@crl.com Once I reached for love | Dream Theater And now I reach for life | <- "Learning to Live"------------------------------
Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 02:05:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> Subject: Re: What I just read in Screaming In Digital!!!
> GRanted. I can kind of see the logic in DT opening for > Queensryche. > But 45 mins would not be enough. They obviously, being an opening > band, would NOT play a full set as in GNR/METALLICA type show. > It would be a 45 min opening act at most!
But if they do well and get good exposure through opening for QR, chances are they could come back around through town as a headliner later. That's what their label would be banking on, kapiche?
-- Once you're touched you stand alone | Paul W. Cashman To face the bitter fight | vanyel@crl.com Once I reached for love | Dream Theater And now I reach for life | <- "Learning to Live"
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Date: Sun, 8 May 94 06:57:05 MDT From: khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson) Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 392
Wrong... Moving Pictures was commercially sucessful. MTV even showed the "Exit...Stage Left" video as a concert.
Not only that, but I don't see much similarity there at all. If DT is supposed to be like Rush, 10-12 minute songs like "Metropolis" will be history... No more instrumentals (or very few)...
There are no parallels. This is a case of someone who loves Rush, loves DT, and can't keep 'em straight.
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Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 11:16:51 +0930 (CST) From: fcichy@torblednam.apana.org.au (Filip at Home) Subject: Re: Fates Warning
> > > No Exit was the album just before Perfect Symetry > Awaken the Guardian was either the one before No Exit or their first > album. I forget exactly wich one. Besides these three albums and Parralels > there was another. I haven't heard it for a while and I forgot the name > can anyone help me out here? (mine vaped a while back :( )
Actually, there are two more albums. The order goes... Night on Broken (the o in Broken has two dots above it) The Spectre Within Awaken The Guardian No Exit Perfect Symmetry Parallels
The first three have to be their best. Ciao. Filip Q.
--- I apologise for the lack of a signature but procrastination is a way of life for me.
PS. Below is a list of all the punctuation marks I missed. Please insert as appropriate: ...,.,..,.,!@$:).,.,,.,%^&#:>?>><>,.,.,.,.
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Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 10:20:49 -0500 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> Subject: Re: DT Newsgroup
> Date: Tue, 3 May 94 21:50:23 PDT > From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) > Subject: Re: DT group? > > > Is there a DT newsgroup or what? My newsreader automatically > scans for new groups and lists them when I log on, but I > haven't found it when I've searched for it either.
There is a newsgroup... The automatic scans are for the new ones that your sysop had chosen to add. You have to bug him (aka ROOT) to ask for it to be added...
Oh, and BTW, people, STOP SENDING UNSUBSCRIBE MESSAGES TO THE LIST. It will not do anything. You must send the messages to listserv@bnf.com
-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | This world is spinning around me | | This world is spinning without me | | Every day sends future to past | | Every breath leaves me one less to my last | | Dream Theater Pull Me Under Images and Words | | Michael Burstin Brandeis University | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Let's Go Pens Let's Go Pens Lets Go Pens Let's Go Pens | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
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Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 15:25:33 -0400 From: Brent Phillips <panther@clove.lcs.mit.edu> Subject: Surrounded
Hey everyone - my band wants to cover "Surrounded", but I'm having trouble figuring out some of the guitar parts, especially the chords at the end and the correct form of the chords in the verse. So, if there's any other guitar-playing ytsejammers who can help, or if you just want to discuss playing other DT songs, please email me! I'm willing to share what I've figured out (which isn't too much!) with anyone whose interested.
Thanks all,
- Brent (panther@mit.edu)
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Date: Sun, 8 May 94 11:24 EDT From: kervahut@entaluve.cam.org (Tanguy Kervahut) Subject: Re: DT touring with queensryche ?
In article <1994May8.081351.6399@khan.CAM.ORG> you wrote: : Excerpts from mail: 5-May-94 Re: DT touring with queensr.. by Matthew M : Leger@kepler.u : > I don't know what you're talking about. Queensryche and DT would : > be an incredible show! (Maybe you've never seen Queensryche live : > before). DT would blow them away, granted, but it would be a hell of a : > show!! : > : the point is, 45 minutes is not *nearly* enough time for DT. And after : DT, QR (or anyone else for that matter) would be a huge letdown. I would : go to see the show, but I'd probably leave after DT...
It would be your loss, QR gives a great show. Granted 45 minutes isn't enough for DT, but I rather see DT open for QR than Warrior Soul like last time (that sucked, but I never heard WS before or since). I'd still like to see them in a small club, I discovered them after they came here the first time on the I&W tour, and they came back 2 days after I left for europe last summer, I already had my plane ticket when the show was announced, I was pissed!
Tanguy- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tanguy Kervahut DoD#349 kervahut@entaluve.cam.org kervahut@iro.umontreal.ca "Dis-moi que tu m'aimes meme meme meme si tu sais, que le temps rapace, que le temps vautour, que le temps nous lache, lasse, glace et gagne toujours." -JJG
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Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 18:11:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Hartmann <thatsu@leland.Stanford.EDU> Subject:
unsubscribe ytsejam Thomas Hartmann
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Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 21:18:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU> Subject: Re: BDAYS
Excerpts from mail: 6-May-94 BDAYS by Demetris P.@sdcc8.UCSD.E > They also asked a bunch of members of several groups ( the cool > thing DT was listed on the cover) what the stupidest suggestion that > someone gave to them was. The funniest ones were Kevin's and Mike's > (suprise suprise). Kevin said that someone told him to learn to > play less keys and he'll go far... and Mike gave an ironic comment > about Mechanic, that they told them to sign with them and not be > afraid because they would be in good hands !!
What did James and the Johns have to say, for their stupidest suggestions?
max
All right, we waste him. No offense.
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Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 10:48:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "backof michael ( bs ifsm)" <mbacko1@umbc.edu> Subject: Queensryche and Dream Theater
I would just like to comment on the Dream Theater opening for Quennsryche deal. I too think that this would be a wonderful idea. They would probably only be with QR for the beginning of the tour, maybe til the end of the year, and then it would be a great time for them to hit the clubs after a Christmas break. I saw them in a pavillion during a thunder and hail storm during the last tour, and even though one of the light boards were down, just hearing them play was phenominal. I think if Queensryche is impressed by them they may get some extra time at the beginning of the show (maybe push an hour), you never know.
Bradbury
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Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 10:13:32 -40962758 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 392
> Wrong... Moving Pictures was commercially sucessful. MTV even showed the > "Exit...Stage Left" video as a concert.
This was eight albums later, Rush did NOTHING to encourage this commercial success other than crankin' out the tunes that (and I quote) "were still exciting enough for us that we felt it would be exciting for our audiences as well". (Neil, 1981)
> Not only that, but I don't see much similarity there at all. If DT > is supposed to be like Rush, 10-12 minute songs like "Metropolis" will > be history... No more instrumentals (or very few)...
What are you talking about? Rush has some LOOOOOONG songs, going back to the first album.
Here Again 7:35, Working Man 7:10, By-Tor & the Snow Dog 9:01, In The End 6:58, The Necromancer 12:59, Fountain of Lamneth 19:55, 2112 20:34, Xanadu 11:06, Cygnus X-1 10:55, Hemispheres 18:03, La Villa Strangiato 9:27, Jacob's Ladder 8:15, Natural Science 9:36, Camera Eye 10:20.
Would you like some salt and pepper for your foot there?
> There are no parallels. This is a case of someone who loves Rush, loves > DT, and can't keep 'em straight.
There are so many parallels they would bite you in the ass if you didn't watch out behind you. :) I shall elaborate:
BOTH RUSH AND DREAM THEATER DID, SO FAR:
* Have an only marginally successful first album, containing eight songs, two of them more lengthy than the rest, and one member of the band got replaced before the next album.
* Have a very successful second album, containing eight songs, several of them longer than the radio norm, and got critical acclaim for their second album, had a successful tour, and had a band lineup that everyone could live with.
* Write a third album almost completely conceptual in nature, containing (as DT has already said they are doing) some longer pieces than before and some concept work.
The difference? Rush's "Caress of Steel" flopped heavily, and we hope the next effort by Dream Theater does not flop at all! HOWEVER! The fourth album for Rush, "2112" set them up for life. So even if DT bails on their next one, we have hope.
Mike/garion@indirect.com/belar@aol.com/king@citadel.gov.riva
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Date: Mon, 9 May 94 13:24:13 EDT From: greg@hal.tor.canisc.ibm.com (Greg "Big Brother" Lee) Subject: Re: DT + QR
> Dream Theater for 45 minutes equals 4-5 songs at best. No room for their > lighting... And sure, the exposure would be good, but I don't think they > care about it that much. > > I'd rather seen them in a crappy hall for 2 hours than in an arena for > 45 minutes.
I think DT will consider this...do you really think they would open for a band who would restrict them to 5 songs...I don't think so!
I would really like to see these two bands together...they are tied for number 1 in my books! However, I don't want to see DT cut short...two 2 hour sets would be perfect!
Later!
Greg.
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