YTSEJAM Digest 580
Today's Topics:
1) When Dream & LaBrie Unite
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
2) DT INTERACTIVE
by Chad David Finke <cdfinke@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
3) Majesty Demos?
by Jason Breitweg <jbreitwe@lobelia.physics.wisc.edu>
4) News from Kevin Moore :)
by AirDance@aol.com
5) RE: *** EXTRA YTSEJAM SHIRTS ***
by freel@Iowa.Physics.UIowa.EDU
6) RE: When Dream & LaBrie Unite
by freel@Iowa.Physics.UIowa.EDU
7) Re: Grilling the Band...
by MikeP81576@aol.com
8) Chicao show - no spoilers
by MikeP81576@aol.com
9) Chicago show - spoilers
by MikeP81576@aol.com
10) kevin's last gig...
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 578
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
12) Re: When Dream & LaBrie Unite
by Godsize@aol.com
13) When Dream & LaBrie Unite
by Matt Leger <mml@kepler.unh.edu>
14) Re: When Dream & LaBrie Unite
by Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
15) Re: When Dream & LaBrie Unite
by Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
16) Re: News from Kevin Moore :)
by Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
17) When Dream & LaBrie Unite
by Brian Nielsen <norman@iesd.auc.dk>
18) wdadu live disc
by "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 11:29:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam SERVER)
Subject: When Dream & LaBrie Unite
Message-ID: <199411061629.LAA04190@rasp.cs.brandeis.edu>
Well, if we do get CDs made, and do it through a printing place
(rather than on a CD-ROM burner that can do audio CDs (a printing
place would sound better also... I am pretty sure that the digital
would have to converted into analog before the CDs could be burnt))
the prices would be cheap. REALLY cheap, like under $5 a disc,
including cases, etc...
Now, about Killing Hand, I think that it should be included... but
its up to everyone else... Now, what was that maximum length for a CD
again... :)
If we do tapes, we should be able to fit everything onto 90 min tapes,
or even 100... Again, depends on everyone else and the tree
starters...
--
+--------------------------------+---------------+---------------------+
| I never bared my emotions | Dream Theater | Michael Burstin |
| My passion always strong | Scarred | Brandeis University |
| I never lost my devotion | Awake +---------------------+
| but somewhere fate went wrong. | Get AWAKEned today, in stores now |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 10:07:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Chad David Finke <cdfinke@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT INTERACTIVE
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411061042.A9300-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
OK, can someone help a new subscriber and internet pseudo-virgin (is
there such a thing?)? First, what is DT_INTERACTIVE? Second, how do I
get it? I mean, I got into /pub/music/dt through ftp, but when I try to
GET it, I'm told that it is not a "plain" file. Well, that pretty much
stumps me. I'm really sorry if this is an obvious question, but I just
need a bit o' guidance. Thanks.
Also, has any info on Awake been added to the FAQ? I have been off
Ytsejam since May, and got Awake before I re-subscribed, so I kind of
missed out on any discussion surrounding it.
Finally, does DT ever tour California (since that is now where I have the
fortune [?] of being)?
E-mail me if you can help. Thanks a million!
Chad cdfinke@uclink2.berkeley.edu
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 94 12:09:47 CST
From: Jason Breitweg <jbreitwe@lobelia.physics.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Majesty Demos?
Message-ID: <m0r4C5N-0000uHC@crash.cts.com>
Hi all,
I seem to remember a little ways back that someone said they were going to
order a bunch of Majesty Demo CD's. I was wondering if the person that was
going to do this would contact me so that I might be able to get in on this.
Thanks a lot,
Jason
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| Jason T. Breitweg Internet: jbreitwe@lobelia.physics.wisc.edu |
| |
| She awakens from a dream to a silent room where shadows speak of memories |
| Another sleepless night, afraid to face the day |
| |
| It seems so long she shared the love she feels so deep inside |
| Her love will never die, but still she feels so lonely...Lonely in Love |
| |
| - "Lonely" |
| Crimson Glory |
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 14:00:20 -0500
From: AirDance@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: News from Kevin Moore :)
Message-ID: <9411061400191976331@aol.com>
Hi everyone,
I promised I would let you all know when I heard from Kevin Moore, and I'm
happy to say that I received a letter from him this week. :) Yes, he is
alive & well in New Mexico & working on new solo material. I could never
relay his thoughts & feelings about the notes that all of you sent to him
more eloquently than he did himself, so I'll just get out of the way now &
let Kevin do the talking. :) Here are some excerpts from his letter:
"I received your package two weeks ago and would have written to you earlier
had it not inspired me to devote all of my waking hours to writing. I did
try to call you that evening though, but no one answered. I probably
wouldn't have known exactly what to say anyway.
Suffice to say I was surprised and deeply touched simultaneously, which could
only lead to the mountains, through which I drove for the next few hours of
daylight. Those letters jolted me out of limbo and set a fire under my ass
(if you will).
Not only was I moved by each one of those letters, but I was amazed that
someone would put something like that together for me. It's really
beautiful, Jen, and I want to thank you from the bottom of my comparatively
puny heart. It is without question the nicest thing anyone has ever done for
me (topping the time at Fredonia when my roommate received three letters and
I none, and he gave me one of his).
It was a very introspective day for me. It made me think about my music,
where I wanted to go with it, where I've been with it, etc., and I felt very
peaceful and centered. The reason I'm stressing the state of mind I was in
that day is because it was a huge contrast to the following day.
That weekend my grandmother passed away. It was tough for me because I'd
never been through that before. She had accepted her fait, and my cousin and
I were to fly out the following day to see her, but she died that morning in
her sleep.
I don't think it made it any easier, but those letters at least gave me
something positive to think of during a very dark and confusing week. So,
once again, thanks."
And my thanks once again to everyone who wrote to Kevin. You've all touched
my heart more than words can express and you have obviously made quite a
difference in his life. :)
Elsewhere in his letter, he told me about the new songs he's completed &
demoed at home, five in all, and he's working on new ideas constantly. The
titles of the finished tracks are "Blanket", "Hollow", "Roll Away The Stone",
"Nora" and "Shallow". And, yes, as reported on this list recently, Rich Kern
is indeed handling all of the guitar work on the songs.
Kevin also commented on some of the ideas behind the songs. The lyrics of
"Nora" were inspired by a letter he read that was written by James Joyce to
his wife, Nora. Of "Shallow" he says, "this was to fulfill an unfulfilled
need to write and record a decent song in one day. Took a week and is only
halfway decent. Good clean fun, however." :) "Hollow" is Kevin's first
attempt at bass-playing and the lyrics are a sarcastic look at the
"buying-and-selling" of Christianity. His personal take on that is,
"basically I don't want to be saved considering the currently available means
of salvation."
Questions and comments are welcome, as usual. :) If anyone else would like
to send Kevin mail, I have his new, home address now and would be more than
glad to continue forwarding letters to him if you e-mail them to me.
The moment I hear anymore new news, so will you. Thanks again, to everyone.
:)
Take care,
Jennifer
___________________________________________________
air dance@aol.com mriodom@delphi.com
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Date: Sun, 06 Nov 1994 13:13:32 C
From: freel@Iowa.Physics.UIowa.EDU
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: RE: *** EXTRA YTSEJAM SHIRTS ***
Message-ID: <00987100.AA0654A0.22620@Iowa.Physics.UIowa.EDU>
>I have 6 XL Black shirts that I ordered as extra's which just showed up
>today. They are availiable immediately. These are the same shirts that
>everyone has been talking about, and that Jason Giles is taking re-orders
>for.
>
>I will take the first 3 reponses from people in single-message (ack) mode,
>and the first 3 responses from people in digest mode for them.
>
>Price: 14$ each. That includes shipping (2 day). Only one shirt per person
>
>Carpe Diem!
>
>-Jason
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Jason Hough | jhough@qualcomm.com | http://www.qualcomm.com
>"Oh, I'm sorry. Did I break your concentration?" - PULP FICTION
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'll take one of those shirts, if they're still available. I guess email me if
they're still up for grabs...
cfreel@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (NOT the same address as this is coming from, but
a more reliable one)
Thanks!
Chris Freel
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Date: Sun, 06 Nov 1994 13:20:18 C
From: freel@Iowa.Physics.UIowa.EDU
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: RE: When Dream & LaBrie Unite
Message-ID: <00987101.9BAE0A00.22621@Iowa.Physics.UIowa.EDU>
>Well, if we do get CDs made, and do it through a printing place
>(rather than on a CD-ROM burner that can do audio CDs (a printing
>place would sound better also... I am pretty sure that the digital
>would have to converted into analog before the CDs could be burnt))
>the prices would be cheap. REALLY cheap, like under $5 a disc,
>including cases, etc...
>
>Now, about Killing Hand, I think that it should be included... but
>its up to everyone else... Now, what was that maximum length for a CD
>again... :)
>
>If we do tapes, we should be able to fit everything onto 90 min tapes,
>or even 100... Again, depends on everyone else and the tree
>starters...
>
Well, I think I'm the one who started this current thread, at least the
title... I didn't know I was creating a monster! :^)
I'd strongly suggest we go for CD's, if at all possible. If it's not that
expensive, why not? They won't degrade with time, and of course you can make a
tape to bring with you (walkman, car, etc). I'd be willing to pay a little
extra. Besides, I don't have a tape deck on my stereo. :^) I'd have to go to
another room to listen to it... wouldn't be as much fun for me.
>
>--
>+--------------------------------+---------------+---------------------+
>| I never bared my emotions | Dream Theater | Michael Burstin |
>| My passion always strong | Scarred | Brandeis University |
>| I never lost my devotion | Awake +---------------------+
>| but somewhere fate went wrong. | Get AWAKEned today, in stores now |
>+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
> For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
Chrisf
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 15:24:12 -0500
From: MikeP81576@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Grilling the Band...
Message-ID: <9411061523542015084@aol.com>
O.k., normally I would just let this thread die, but I think I need to
clarify what I started. I don't have a problem with asking the band specific
questions. I DO have a problem with the nature of some of those questions.
Two recent examples I've seen here: Everyone on this list should know 2
things from reading all the digests - Mike took Kevin's departure very hard
and Petrucci has a strong dislike for boots. Therefore, asking Mike anything
about Kevin or asking Petrucci something about, say, Mission Impossible
(something that could have only come from a boot or demo) do not make fans
look smooth and knowledgable - they make them look insensitive.
I'm just leary that if the band's patience are tried enough times, there will
no longer be the opportunity to talk to them at all.
Mike P
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 15:24:19 -0500
From: MikeP81576@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Chicao show - no spoilers
Message-ID: <9411061524102015208@aol.com>
I have never been a big fan of James' live performances, but he seems to have
left his scream at home this time around. His voice was DEVASTATING. He did
not miss a thing, and his whole stage presence seems much looser now. If you
would have told me before the show that I would have spent the most time
watching him, I would have called you crazy, but he really was amazing.
So was Derek. His improv ability was impressive as well. Someone mentioned
on an earlier digest that, even though Derek is very capable, there was
something missing without Kevin. I would argue the opposite. I never cared
for Kevin's deadpan too much (although his playing was awesome) - whereas
Derek and Petrucci spent the better portion of the evening trading stupid
grins. The band looked like they were having a good time playing with him,
and I think the crowd knew that.
Also, I'm usually very annoyed when someone next to me is belting out lyrics
during the entire show loud enough for me to hear better than the actual
singer. But when it's the entire audience, I thought it was really cool.
I've been to a lot of shows, including DT, and have not really seen this
happen to the degree that it did last night. I'm not kidding - I think the
crowd sang every damn word.
I also really liked I Mother Earth. What was up with the auxillary
percussionist? Man, that guy is nuts. The whole band sounded like Miami
Sound Machine on crack. Latin heavy metal? I thought they really grooved
hard.
Mike P
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 15:24:28 -0500
From: MikeP81576@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Chicago show - spoilers
Message-ID: <9411061524212015312@aol.com>
The band did not play Set the Sun - nor anything from WDADU. That may be
because the show was running a little behind, but I don't know. It was
raining, so I didn't stick around to ask them why.
They also muffed the beginning of Another Day again. Actually, I'm glad they
did - other than one of Mike's cymbals falling off the kit during Metropolis
(actually a tech pulled it off after the stand gave way) the Another Day flub
provided the nights funniest moment, because when they started the song over,
as the band played the opening, James said "Some of you may recognize this
part" and the audience laughed.
Mike P.
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 13:45:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: kevin's last gig...
Message-ID: <9411062145.AA04455@malibu.sfu.ca>
has this been discussed?
when was kevin's last gig as part of DT?
is there a boot of it somewhere?
this one should be in any DT fan's collection.
--
_______-------_______
/ |\ ' | ` /| \ "Love is the Dance of Eternity"
/ | \ / \ / | \ -Dream Theater-
( | \/ \/ | )
\ | / \ / \ | /
\ |/ , | , \| /
-------_______------- Tim Altman: altman@sfu.ca
________________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 16:28:39 -0600 (CST)
From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 578
Message-ID: <199411062228.QAA09395@galaxy.galstar.com>
> Secondly, to When Dream & LaBrie Unite (nice title)
>
> I don't think we really need to include Killing Hand since there's
> already a good version on LaTM. I think the point fo this should be to
> collect all the WDADU tracks not officially released as well as al lthe
> "unreleased" tracks on a live CD. Plus, leaving off Killing Hand might
> leave more room for ACoS. :)
>
well then we wouldn't want to put fortune in lies on there either right?
that's fine with me, as long as we can get all their other unreleased
songs on there. (eve too...)
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 18:16:53 -0500
From: Godsize@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: When Dream & LaBrie Unite
Message-ID: <9411061816492100842@aol.com>
I also think that killing hand should be included but I would also like ACOS,
TLF, Eve.
Trey
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 23:45:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Leger <mml@kepler.unh.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: When Dream & LaBrie Unite
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91a.941106234053.10855A-100000@kepler.unh.edu>
Just my two sense on this disk thing:
First: We absolutely have to make cd's, tapes suck and I have no way
of playing them!!
Second: If I am not mistaken, the original purpose of the cd was to
remake WDADU with LaBrie. Why not keep it this way??
Lastly: If everyone wants a copy of the other unrealesed songs, why
don't we make two cd's ?? 1 with WDADU and the other of the unrealeased
material?? It might be a little more money, but I think everyone on the
list would still be interested in buying them.....
Later,
Matt
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 01:48:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: When Dream & LaBrie Unite
Message-ID: <oijQrGa00iV_I98mE7@andrew.cmu.edu>
I don't think TLF is really necessary, since there's a good version of
it on Live in Tokyo...It'd be nice to have but if it won't fit, that's
one of the first thing's I'd drop...
however, barfbag from LiTS should be included if at all possible...
max
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6:00 The siren kicks him from a dream
Like a scream but sort of silent
living off my nightmares
Voices protecting me,
"Look in the mirror my friend"
the mirror falls behind you
Voices rejecting me,
"Never come near me again."
How could you be so cruel?
It's a wonder I can still breathe
I never lost my devotion
feeling my heart pull west
i never bared my emotions
can you rid me of my secrets?
I'm witness to redemption
The rest remain misled
condescending
why won't you leave me alone?
Do you really think I need you?
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derek derek derek derek derek derek
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 02:00:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: When Dream & LaBrie Unite
Message-ID: <IijR2Kq00iV_Q98nM_@andrew.cmu.edu>
Also, does anyone have a recording of the Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
yet? I know no one has LFAGA, and the chances of getting that are slim...
I would love to have TOWHTSTS without keyboards because I play keys and
it would be really cool to try to learn that song and then play along
with it and pretend to be Kevin without the real Kevin's sounds
interfering and giving me an exaggerated opinion if myself...
max
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6:00 The siren kicks him from a dream
Like a scream but sort of silent
living off my nightmares
Voices protecting me,
"Look in the mirror my friend"
the mirror falls behind you
Voices rejecting me,
"Never come near me again."
How could you be so cruel?
It's a wonder I can still breathe
I never lost my devotion
feeling my heart pull west
i never bared my emotions
can you rid me of my secrets?
I'm witness to redemption
The rest remain misled
condescending
why won't you leave me alone?
Do you really think I need you?
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derek derek derek derek derek derek
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 02:12:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: News from Kevin Moore :)
Message-ID: <IijRBuC00iV_A98q9X@andrew.cmu.edu>
Excerpts from mail: 6-Nov-94 News from Kevin Moore :) by AirDance@aol.com
> So,
> once again, thanks."
Yeah, thanks, Jen. I also really appreciate your
sending those letters to Kevin and letting us read
his response.
It's really cool to have a connection to your hero...
Sorry to hear about his grandmother, though. That
kinda sucks.
max
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6:00 The siren kicks him from a dream
Like a scream but sort of silent
living off my nightmares
Voices protecting me,
"Look in the mirror my friend"
the mirror falls behind you
Voices rejecting me,
"Never come near me again."
How could you be so cruel?
It's a wonder I can still breathe
I never lost my devotion
feeling my heart pull west
i never bared my emotions
can you rid me of my secrets?
I'm witness to redemption
The rest remain misled
condescending
why won't you leave me alone?
Do you really think I need you?
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derek derek derek derek derek derek
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 10:29:57 +0100
From: Brian Nielsen <norman@iesd.auc.dk>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: When Dream & LaBrie Unite
Message-ID: <199411070929.KAA12301@beta.iesd.auc.dk>
Matt> Just my two sense on this disk thing:
Matt> First: We absolutely have to make cd's, tapes suck and I
Matt> have no way of playing them!!
Matt> Second: If I am not mistaken, the original purpose of the
Matt> cd was to remake WDADU with LaBrie. Why not keep it this
Matt> way??
Matt> Lastly: If everyone wants a copy of the other unrealesed
Matt> songs, why don't we make two cd's ?? 1 with WDADU and the
Matt> other of the unrealeased material?? It might be a little
Matt> more money, but I think everyone on the list would still be
Matt> interested in buying them.....
Matt> Later, Matt
Brilliant idea. I'd vote for that. I believe there's enough material,
which has never been officially releashed, to justify a second CD.
--
+------------------------------------------------+
| Brian Nielsen |
| Department of Mathematics and Computer Science |
| Aalborg University, Denmark |
| |
| email: norman@iesd.auc.dk |
+------------------------------------------------+
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 02:02:33 -0600 (CST)
From: "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (ytsejam mailing list)
Subject: wdadu live disc
Message-ID: <199411070802.CAA01454@tam2000.tamu.edu>
i just wanted to share my thoughts about this, i think a good name for
it would be "when dream and james unite" instead of labrie, this just
sounds better to me. also, we should hold out until the next leg of the
tour, i bet they play light fuse..., and by then we might have a soundboard
or an fm broadcast of ...set the sun. we could conceivably get all 8
songs from FM and/or board, and order them the same as on wdadu. i
personally would find this to be the most appealing method.
also, there is an ad in goldmine for a cd manufacturer that says something
like "cds made from you sound source tapes" or something like that. i could
look into it. it says $2 each, minimum 500 pieces. that would be $1000, if
we preordered the things, and everyone bought 5 of them (for $10 each plus
shipping) we could come up with 200 people that want them (i assume we
have that many people on here that would come up with $10 for 5 copies of
the cd. anyway, then each person could pass the cd along to their friends,
hold them for collectable value, etc. or give a copy to portnoy :)
anyway, the japanese place seems reasonably risk-free. i would be willing
to collect the money and master all of the stuff onto a DAT tape to send
over there. if somehow we got screwed, it would only be $10 each.
i have some friends that work at kinko's that could probably get some
artwork printed up for the discs, and we could send them out w/o jewel
boxes, decreasing postage cost and volume of shipping containers.
what do you guys think? we would not be profiting off of this, so i don't
think mike portnoy would mind, he might even unofficially "sponsor" the
project by providing us with a board tape of ...set the sun. i am going
to take some boots to him after some of the shows, copies of some of
my video masters, and give them to him with a note about the cd project,
and who i am, and my address, and ask him what he thinks. maybe i will
hear back from him, maybe not, who knows? it is worth a try...
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Voices repeating me, Brian V. Cox Voices discussing me,
"Feeling threatened? lerxst@tamu.edu "Others steal your thoughts
We reflect your hopes Dream Theater- They're not confined
and fears." A Mind Beside Itself: II. Voices Within your mind."
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