YTSEJAM Digest 590
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Dream Theater Kits!!!!!!
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
2) Re: C-Man Rules!!
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 587
by <okuda@active.elcom.nitech.ac.jp>
4) James' vocals
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
5) New guy - graphics
by ACW1066@aol.com
6) Re:interesting poll results from Hard Rock mailing list
by Atsushi Kawami <kawami@ae.keio.ac.jp>
7) Dominici vs. LaBrie
by JOHAN_DALSRUD <94JOHAN@kihelektro.kih.no>
8) Re: they moved my WWW page
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
9) Kits?
by "Jason T. Breitweg" <jbreitwe@physics.wisc.edu>
10) Drkhoe/dr mosh's WWW page
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
11) Re: "Within You and Without You"
by Godsize@aol.com
12) Here's comes Erotomania!
by William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
13) Re: Dominici vs. LaBrie
by EMRST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu
14) Re: Grilling the Band...
by Douglas Merrell <merrell@cs.fsu.edu>
15) Birthdates
by <laferrie@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu> (Kevin R Laferriere)
16) Re: "Within You and Without You"
by kad@iris122.biosym.com
17) Album Poll
by Godsize@aol.com
18) Re:interesting poll results from Hard Rock mailing list
by Eric Moegling <emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>
19) Progressive Band Recommendations (long)
by schew@tis.com
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 21:37:31 -0600 (CST)
From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Dream Theater Kits!!!!!!
Message-ID: <199411170337.VAA03921@galaxy.galstar.com>
> That's a pretty fun recording. For all those who haven't tried it
> yet, you hear some of Lie and CIAW and Mike Portnoy talks about the tour
> and the album a bit. I'd say it's very accessible for potential new DT
> buyers, even though the info is old to us on the net, but then again, we
> already own the albums. If they can keep this line up when it's getting
> near new-album time, it will be pretty helpful..
hah... that 'hotline' was funny. Mike sounded like he was adlibing the
sales pitch... its was like "75 minutes of the musical... uhm spectrum"
it was funny. Bone crunching WHAT??? :)
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 21:43:36 -0600 (CST)
From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: C-Man Rules!!
Message-ID: <199411170343.VAA04047@galaxy.galstar.com>
> > Hey, I woke up this fine morning to find I had a package waiting for me
> > at the front desk of my dorm. I rushed up, and was greatly suprised to find
> > that I had won one of C-Man's kits! It kicks ass: 1 Live in Tokyo video (mine
> > was stolen, so I'm glad I don't have to go out and buy another one), LATM
> > (Japanese version), a killer DT sticker and a promo CIAW single!! , Thanks
> a bunch C-Man, this really made my week a little bit brighter!! I can't wait
> to see the poster!!
wait.... is this the kit we're getting? I'd love to get their video for
free! (i would have bought it sooner or later, but hell, free is fine
too! :) and maybe the ciaw single will have a cool b-side song (like TLF!)
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 00:42:08 +0900
From: <okuda@active.elcom.nitech.ac.jp>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 587
Message-ID: <9411151542.AA11047@active.elcom.nitech.ac.jp>
Hi, this is Okuda here.
John E. King wrote:
> Yes, I did -- the bonus CD is only in the Japanese release, so most of
> us here in the U.S. don't have it...
Oops, I've forgot about that, Sorry. :)
....Well, most of all in this list doesn't have heard Studio version
of "Eve" ? I'm just wondering. If it's true, i'm sorry about that.
It's sounds awsome.
Bye for now...
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'Tsuyoshi Okuda' send email to: okuda@active.elcom.nitech.ac.jp
--Nagoya Inst.of Tech.:<Japan>-- or okuda@motion.elcom.nitech.ac.jp
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 21:41:20 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: James' vocals
Message-ID: <199411170541.AA13488@crl.crl.com>
I have to agree with the others on the list: James' vocals on this
current tour are terrific. I was a little worried, after hearing,
e.g., the DoE version of "Under a Glass Moon" (I wince when I hear
that voice-break), but not only was he pretty much spot-on at the
Detroit show, but he may have vindicated the whole trip for me.
Quick precis: I spent $300 or more to fly up for the show (plus I
missed out on a Saturday's worth of overtime). The show was worth
every penny....ESPECIALLY since, by the time DT gets around to playing
here in Atlanta, James' voice might have gotten understandably
threadbare.
PS: to C-Man: muchas gracias!
hmm, time for a new quote from AWAKE..... :)
-- Seen my diary on the newsstand | Paul W. Cashman Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand | vanyel@crl.com It's a shame no-one is praying | Dream Theater "Voices" 'Cause these voices in my head keep sayin'.."Love, just don't stare."------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 04:29:39 -0500 From: ACW1066@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: New guy - graphics Message-ID: <941117014725_1232680@aol.com>
Been listening in for a bit now, seems like people are still debating Dominici vs. LaBrie. Anyway... I am a huge fan of DT, but lacking in "stuff." Where can I get GIF. or BMP or other graphic stuff with their symbols? I'm especially looking for the burning heart - Also - I'm waiting for the Japanese imort with the 3 inch dis c. I ordered it and it will cost me $35 when it gets here. Well, it sounds like the CD single will be the same as this bonus disc, so did I just waste money I could have used to buy the Live in Tokyo album? - PEACE ACW1066@AOL.C OM
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 17:49:40 +0900 From: Atsushi Kawami <kawami@ae.keio.ac.jp> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re:interesting poll results from Hard Rock mailing list Message-ID: <9411170849.AA11208@cosmo.ae.keio.ac.jp>
> 10. Best hardrock keyboardists: > ------------------------------- > > 1. Kevin Moore 75 Dream Theater > 2. Jens Johansson 47 Yngwie Malmsteen
Alas! How many people miss him!!!
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Date: 17 Nov 94 09:59:23 MET-1 From: JOHAN_DALSRUD <94JOHAN@kihelektro.kih.no> To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Dominici vs. LaBrie Message-ID: <MAILQUEUE-101.941117095923.320@kihelektro.kih.no>
Quite a lot of people have replied/protested on my views on Dominici and WDADU. Well I still must say it's my fave DT album. Don't get me wrong, but I really like I&W and Awake alot. It's just that I don't really dig the way LaBrie sings. It's OK but... (You read my views earlier).
Well my intention was not to start a war here, but when people was saying Dominici sucked, I just couldn't agree. Maybe he didn't fit in the band agewise, but his vocals were great. I haven't heard anything by DT live with Dominici, so live he maybe wasn't that great.
OK, I won't bug you with my views anymore. Hope people don't fry me for this. Sorry to all of you who were offended (in one way or another)
Well, then again I read some posts that were agreeing with me......
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:11:17 PST From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: they moved my WWW page Message-ID: <199411170911.BAA03379@netcom13.netcom.com>
>> >> http://cs.brandeis.edu/USER/UGRAD/mikeb/home.html > >what is dr. mosh's pages? I can't access them from your page even though >they are listed. are they down?
My pages are hereby closed to MORTALS... just kidding... here is a PLUG...
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 08:25:00 -0600 (CST) From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <jbreitwe@physics.wisc.edu> To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Kits? Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.941117082211.12317A-100000@cleome.physics.wisc.edu>
Hi All,
Well I guess I was one of the lucky winners of one of the DT promo kits (BTW thanx again C-man, first backstage passes and now this; I think that I owe you dinner or something *chuckle*). The only question I had for folks out there was: what exactly is in these kits again? I thought that I saved the original message but I seem to have deleted it.
Oh another thing....an DT fans out there from Wisconsin? I am at UW-Madison and have only found one or two people that listen to DT.
Jason
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:49:19 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Drkhoe/dr mosh's WWW page Message-ID: <199411171549.KAA27225@opal.cs.brandeis.edu>
> From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com> > Subject: Re: they moved my WWW page > > > http://cs.brandeis.edu/USER/UGRAD/mikeb/home.html > > what is dr. mosh's pages? I can't access them from your page even though > they are listed. are they down? >
The problem, according to him, is that netcom doesn't have a web server, so the docs have to be obtained from FTP... if any of you have tried to ftp to netcom latly, it is next to impossible to get on... Thats why you can never get in...
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:59:38 -0500 From: Godsize@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: "Within You and Without You" Message-ID: <941117115936_1435297@aol.com>
Guys I am a huge Pantera fan and the sample is from a Pantera song called "By Demons Be Driven" off of the album Vulgar Display of Power.
Trey
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:00:52 -0700 (MST) From: William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Here's comes Erotomania! Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411170925.B29320-0100000@casual1>
Okay guitarists, here is a small sample of Erotomania (the classical sounding part). I am very sure of its accuracy. It starts at 4:43. Since most notes are played twice, I've put them close together to save space. Feel free to alter the fretting, but the notes are right and I've been able to play it this way and keep up. These notes are played at a constant tempo (8th notes I believe).
1-5-5-1-1-------------------------3-3-0-0------------------------- ----------3-3----------------------------------------------------- --------------4-4-1-1---------------------5-5-2-2----------------- ----------------------3-3-0-0---------------------4-4-0-0--------- ------------------------------2-3-------------------------3-3-0-2- ------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------ -6-6-3-3-------------------------5-5-1-1-------------------------- ---------4-4-----------------------------2-2-0-0------------------ -------------6-6-3-3-----------------------------2-2-------------- ---------------------5-5-2-2---0---------------------4-4-0-0------ -----------------------------4-------------------------------3-1--
This part is slower (TR=trill):
--------------------------------------------- ----------------------------H-------------H-- ------------------------P--2-4---H-P-P---5-7- -0-2-3-5----------TR---3-0------5-7-5-0------ -----------------4-5------------------------- -----------0-4-7-----------------------------
Please give me some feedback on this riff!
Will Kriski
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:03:19 -0400 (EDT) From: EMRST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Dominici vs. LaBrie Message-ID: <01HJL0KEKKXQ9LVQQV@vms.cis.pitt.edu>
>the band agewise, but his vocals were great. I haven't heard anything >by DT live with Dominici, so live he maybe wasn't that great.
This is an understatement. His performance on Metropolis was utterly horrible. And he didn't even pull off Afterlife or The Killing Hand well, even though he had done these on the album. The only song I've heard him sound good on live is Ytsejam. (A little ytsejam humor).
Seriously though, I can't listen to WDADU anymore after hearing JL do those songs. He simply took a few great songs and made them better (as long as he was having an ON night). But even JL's worst night live was comparable to anything CD was capable of. (Uh oh, here come the flames).
KAI
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:25:37 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas Merrell <merrell@cs.fsu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Grilling the Band... Message-ID: <199411171825.SAA14860@cs.fsu.edu>
> > > ** Dream Theater * Saigon Kick * Led Zeppelin * Metallica * Deep Purple ** > > ** MAGELLAN * SHADOW GALLERY * DAN REED NETWORK * AC DC * FATES WARNING ** > > ** Queensryche * Galactic Cowboys * Rush * Psychotic Waltz * Rainbow ** > > hey guys... uhm I just want to ask a few questions. I saw on that survey > someone poste that one of the up and coming bands is called Saigon Kick. > He has it listed as one of his fav bands. Are they progressive or what? > Also, is Psychotic Waltz progressive? > [clip]
William asks if Saigon Kick is progressive.
Well, *I* wouldn't actually call them progressive because:
1) they have not been around long enough to judge fairly and objectively. :) 2) they have changed the lineup(singer) for the band. 3) the style is more of a hard rock with, currently, some alternative flavour.
This just about sums up the opinion that I have for Saigon Kick. Don't get me wrong by thinking that I don't like them at all. It's just that it's a different style and mood of music. The lyrics could be considered as intelligent, but the music is basic, Plain (ASCII), hard rock. I have seen many of their shows since they are from my hometown of Tampa, Florida. They play all over FL, even up into Georgia at times. I saw them on tour when they opened up for Extreme on the III Sides... tour at the USF Sun Dome. So, this is just some information, quite personal, on the band Saigon Kick... Not to be confused with Hanoi Rocks!!
I really believe that this band will be somewhat of an emerging act for the recognition of the rest of the country to find.
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:37:26 -0500 From: <laferrie@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu> (Kevin R Laferriere) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Birthdates Message-ID: <9411171937.AA15043@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu>
Could some please post or E-mail me the birthdates of the members of Dream Theater?
laferrie@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 11:59:56 -0800 From: kad@iris122.biosym.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: "Within You and Without You" Message-ID: <9411171959.AA14815@iris122.biosym.com>
> About the "new" tune mentioned in the Japanese flyer, orry to burst your > bubble, but I think they are referring to the Beatles' tune from Sergeant Pepper. > John P. plays the Eastern sounding vocal melody at the beginning of the solo > section of "To Live Forever" on > the vcal melody of which John P. plays octave style at the end of To > Live Forever (before the solo section onthe Live in Tokyo video.)
My goodness, there was even a question about that??? Of course Within You Without You is a Beatles tune of Sgt. Pepper, written by George Harrison. DUH!!! Also there is no "and" in the title, at least there shouldn't be. John P. is playing it's melody on To Live Forever, I knew it the first time I heard it, didn't I, Demetris? :) Originaly George was playing it on a sitar, it's one of his Indian sounding songs.
Does anybody know of any other Beatles references except for this one and Mike walking barefoot across Abbey Road?
Kinga
_______________________________________________________________________________ "And to see you're really only very small, and life flows within you and without you..." - The Beatles "Within You Without You" Kinga Dytkowska - kad@biosym.com _______________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:13:10 -0500 From: Godsize@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Album Poll Message-ID: <941117151306_1556820@aol.com>
I would like to conduct a poll on everyone's most favorite albums of all time. I know most of you will probably pick DT albums but I would also like to find out some of the other bands that are popular among us. So here is what I would like for you to do. 1) Give a list of your 10 most favorite albums of all-time. 2) Give a list of the 5 most horrible albums of all time (there are plenty of them out there) 3) Give a list of your Dream Band. Please limit it to Guitarist, Drummer, Keyboardist, Bassist, and Singer. Please DO NOT post these. Send them to me at Godsize@aol.com The subject of the letter should be MOST FAVE ALBUMS. All entrees must be recieved by 11/27/94. I will post the results of this poll soon after the aforementioned date. The judging will be as follows: 1=10 points 2=9 points....10=1 point.
Trey
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:17:37 -0600 (CST) From: Eric Moegling <emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re:interesting poll results from Hard Rock mailing list Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411171456.A22372-0100000@bigcat>
Could the dude who originally posted this send me the same message over private e-mail? I want to send it to someone! Thanks!
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ERIC MOEGLING: emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu as297@freenet.hsc.colorado.edu
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:27:09 -0500 (EST) From: schew@tis.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Progressive Band Recommendations (long) Message-ID: <1830.9411172127@ragnarok.tis.com>
I sent out an email reply to William Wright with recommendations for other progressive bands and I realized that other people might be interested in those bands too. For those of you who aren't interested, I apologize -- you might as well skip to the next message now. For those who are interested and have questions or comments about other progressive bands, just send me some email.
Steve Chew schew@tis.com
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William,
Glad to hear that you'll soon have lots of money to spend on prog CDs! :-) There is *tons* of great progressive music out there, much of which is not available in most record stores. I'll give you a list of some of my favorite progressive bands and include some reviews that I've sent other people (so I don't have to type up all new reviews). Your taste seems pretty varied with some more mellow music as well as metal so I'll give you a wide variety of recommendations. Just so you know, I like most every album that you listed below, though I'm not that big of a fan of Savatage or Fates Warning (and I'm not familiar with Yanni). First I'll answer the questions that I can below:
> >> ** Dream Theater * Saigon Kick * Led Zeppelin * Metallica * Deep Purple ** >> ** MAGELLAN * SHADOW GALLERY * DAN REED NETWORK * AC DC * FATES WARNING ** >> ** Queensryche * Galactic Cowboys * Rush * Psychotic Waltz * Rainbow ** > >hey guys... uhm I just want to ask a few questions. I saw on that survey >someone poste that one of the up and coming bands is called Saigon Kick. >He has it listed as one of his fav bands. Are they progressive or what? >Also, is Psychotic Waltz progressive? > From what I know of Saigon Kick, they are a fairly straight forward metal band. They may have progressive albums though, I'm not sure. I'm not very fond of what I've heard by them, but that's just me. Psychotic Waltz is also a fairly straight forward metal band, but they definitely have some prog leanings that make their music pretty interesting. I'm not sure how highly I'd recommend them though. Try to take a listen to them before buying.
> >anyway, I have: >all 4 DT cds (tie between IAW and Awake) >QR's O:M, Empire, and PL ( like O:M the best) >Rush's 2112, Exit Stage Left, Grace Under Pressure, Presto, and Roll the >Bones (I like ESL the best... but its a compliation CD.) >Savatages Handfull of Rain (I like every song except the cobras one) >Fates Warning's Awaken the Guardian and Inside Out. (Both great albums) >Evening of Yes Music (great 2 cd set, I generally like the 2nd CD more... >I would like to get some more of these guys CDs, but they've gone through >so many member changes, etc. I can't keep up with it all. A bio on this >group would help a lot I think.) >Satrianni's Time Machine (I like the live CD more, but again a >compliation CD) >Yanni's Live at the Marcropolis (good cd) >and both Enigma cds (ok group, don't listen to them much, but still ok) >Then I have a lot of classical music cds which I listen to some (when I'm >in the mood.) > You seem to have a pretty wide variety of stuff. Which songs of the "Evening of Yes Music" did you like best? If it was "Close to the Edge", "Heart of the Sunrise" and "Roundabout" (three of my favorite Yes songs), then you'll certainly like their older material (before 1979). If it was the other songs, then you may like the album "Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe" (which contains some of those songs). If you like their older material then I'd recommend trying one of the following albums:
Yes -- Classic Yes -- A collection (I know you didn't want these) which gives an *excellent* overview of their older material. Yes -- Close to the Edge -- Probably my favorite Yes album. It is very consistent and strong. Great stuff. Yes -- Fragile -- This one is also an excellent album, but perhaps a little less consistent than Close to the Edge. Yes -- The Yes Album -- This was their 2nd (or maybe 3rd) album and isn't quite as mature as the above two, but it is still great. This one has quite a few tracks that aren't on "Evening of Yes Music", I think.
You might also like "90125" which is from Yes' newer era. I enjoy it a lot, but some Yes fans don't like their newer sound as much. It is a little bit more 'pop' sounding, but it has stood up to many, many listenings for me. If you want a more biographical description, just send me email.
>I've seen sooo many albums that I want to buy (like every Rush album) and >other like some ELP albums or King Crimson. I don't really know much >about these bands and would like some input on which albums to buy. I >WOULDN'T like to buy a compliation CD of KC or ELP or Dreggs (or any other >prog.band out there) if possible. Also if the group is an import tell me so >I'll know where to look (not at Best Buy. :)) > Yeah, there is an amazing amount of great music out there. I'll give you a quick list of bands and what albums I'd recommend of theirs. Just remember that while these bands are good, they will not suddenly replace your favorite bands. Just because I rave about a band doesn't mean that you'll like them better than Dream Theater (or whoever). I remember when I first tried many of these bands I was a bit disappointed that they didn't all blow me away. I was expecting too much. After listening to them more though, they grew on me and many are among my favorite bands now. Hopefully, you'll find some that you love too. :) BTW, some of the bands I list below will have to be mail-ordered and I'll give you a couple places to do that from at the bottom of the list. Since I'm not really sure what bands you're familiar with, I'll include some bands you may know (like Genesis and Tull) since if you haven't tried them then you should (IMHO). :-) Here's the bands that I'd recommend (in no particular order) and what albums of each one I'd recommend starting with:
Magellan -- "Impending Ascension":
Magellan is one of my favorite bands. They make me think that this is what Dream Theater would sound like if DT was dominated by keyboards instead of guitar. Their music is full of complex rhythms and great dynamcs. Even though they tend to have less guitar than DT, they still rock pretty hard with cool interplay between all the instruments. All of the people I know who like DT (admittedly, not that many) also like Magellan. Don't expect Magellan to be a Dream Theater clone though! They have a *very* different sound -- it's mainly the complex rhythms and dynamics that attracts the DT fans I think. Highly recommended. Their album is hard to find right now, but it is to be released in the United States in December so then it should be easy to find.
Marillion Brave Marillion Misplaced Childhood Marillion Script for a Jester's Tear Marillion Clutching at Straws
Marillion are the best of the neo-prog bands, in my opinion. They are talented musicians who know how to create good music. Their music is not very heavy (typical of neo-prog), but sort of like Pink Floyd or early Genesis, they can build some powerful music from slower, more melodic pieces. "Misplaced Childhood" is a album-length story and is probably my favorite Marillion album. I might recommend either "Script..." or "Clutching at Straws" for a good place to start with Marillion though, since those albums are more song oriented. "Brave" is their newest album and is also an album-length story -- another excellent album. "Brave" has the new singer who I don't like quite as well though -- he's not as aggressive and has a higher pitched voice. Highly recommended, and Marillion are a great place to start if you want to try out the neo-prog. You should be able to find the Marillion albums in any decent record store, including Best Buy. BTW, neo-prog is a term that describes bands (mainly from the 1980's and 1990's) who were influenced by bands from the 1970's like Yes, Genesis, and ELP. Their music tends to be somewhat more 'pop' oriented (but certainly not enough to get radio play! ;-) and usually has a less complex structure. They also are usually not that 'heavy' sounding. Bands like Dream Theater are progressive-metal, *not* neo-prog.
Shadow Gallery Shadow Gallery CD 1992
Shadow Gallery is on the border of being a prog-metal band. On the first few listens I liked them quite a bit, but I've grown a bit tired of them -- they can be cheesy at times. They are sort of in between Magellan and Dream Theater as far as how heavy they are. They aren't as good as either of those bands though. I might recommend trying them since they are fairly heavy with some good musical passages and a decent singer. You'll probably have to mail order this.
King Crimson Discipline King Crimson Red
I'm not a huge fan of King Crimson actually, but they are a great band who has always been loyal to their own views of how music should be made. On first listen, they have a fairly strange, experimental style with lots of dynamics and time changes. I like "Discipline" best of their albums that I've heard. It has the best use of dynamics and cool interplay between intstruments, I think. Many people also recommend "Red" or "Discipline" as their most accessible albums. Some of their other albums are *very* experimental (IMHO) so you may want to try the above two first. You should be able to find King Crimson in any decent record store. Our Best Buy has most of their albums.
ELP Brain Salad Surgery
Emerson Lake and Palmer are a great band, but a little inconsistent, I think. They are strongly keyboard dominant with many classical influences in their music (they 'cover' some classical pieces even). "Brain Salad Surgery" is one of their strongest albums and is pretty consistent througout. That's probably one of the best albums to start with.
Anekdoten Vemod CD 1993
Given the bands you listed Anekdoten may be one of the best bands to try first. They have a driving sound that has a somewhat metal feel to it, but with lots of complex rhythms and great dynamics. They tend to build up a wonderful atmosphere on their album -- it has a rather dark, ominous feel to most of it. Highly recommended. You'll probably have to mail-order this one.
Anglagard Hybris CD 1993 Anglagard's style reminds me a little of King Crimson, a little strange and experimental. The music is wonderful! It's not really in the metal vein though it has lots of guitar, but it is full of dynamic changes, complex rhythms and shifting time signatures. The drummer is fantastic -- he is constantly doing something different, seldom repeating anything. I love listening to this at high volumes. :-) The vocals are a bit tough to get used to since they are in Swedish and are kind of mellow compared to the music. Overall, I'd highly recommend trying this, even with the vocals and 'strange' sound. You'll probably have to mail-order this one.
Nuova Era -- Io E Il Tempo
This is an Italian band with Italian lyrics, but I really love this album. The first (18 minute) song has the keyboards and guitar constantly 'dueling' each other and jamming. Great stuff. I actually like the vocals quite a bit too -- they are strange to hear in Italian, but their voices are great and they create excellent harmonies. Highly recommended and an excellent way to see if you will like other Italian bands with Italian vocals (there are a lot of good ones). You'll have to get this through mail-order.
Il Balletto di Bronzo -- Ys
One of my favorite albums. These guys have some wonderful (Italian) vocals with lots of harmony overtop of constantly moving keyboard and guitar. The music is fantastic and is well supported by the vocals. If you like the fast paced parts of ELP and Yes, you'll most likely enjoy this. Highly recommended. This may be an even better place to start for Italian prog rock (which I love). You'll have to get this through mail-order.
Genesis -- Selling England by the Pound
Old Genesis (before 1975) features Peter Gabriel on vocals and sounds *nothing* like their newer material (like "Mama" or "Invisible Touch", etc). In fact, old Genesis produced some of my favorite albums. No instrument is particularly dominant. They had a talent for putting together great songs which mixed the interplay of the instruments and vocals wonderfully. I'd recommend starting with "Selling England by the Pound" since it is probably the most consistent of their albums with Gabriel and it has many great songs. Highly recommended. Genesis albums should be easy to find.
Jethro Tull -- Aqualung Jethro Tull -- Thick as a Brick Jethro Tull -- Minstrel in the Gallery
Often people seem to ignore Jethro Tull when talking about progressive music and I've never understood why. They do tend to have some more 'standard' rock songs (like "Aqualung"), but they go *far* beyond that (though I do love "Aqualung"). "Thick as a Brick" is one of my all-time favorite albums. It is a 'concept' album and has many layers that I'm still discovering to this day. Wonderful! :-) "Aqualung" has a more standard song format and is also a good place to start (it has a few of the songs that you've heard from Tull on the radio). Ian Anderson, the singer and flute player, is among my very favorite vocalists (and song writers). He has a deep throaty voice that he uses in a way that does not get boring even after hundreds of listens. At first, I thought his vocal style was a little strange, but it grew on me and now I just love it. I'd highly recommend trying a Tull album, if you haven't before, since their albums tend to be better as a whole than the singles they play on the radio. Jethro Tull albums should be easy to find.
Kate Bush Hounds of Love Kate Bush The Dreaming
Kate Bush has a beautiful voice that she is not afraid to use in an aggressive manner. I really enjoy her singing and she creates good music to compliment the vocals. Some really hate her singing style though, so you may want to listen to an album first. "The Dreaming" and "Hounds of Love" are probably the best places to start -- they're pretty consistently strong. You can find her albums most anywhere.
Tori Amos Little Earthquakes. Tori Amos Under the Pink Another great female vocalist, Tori Amos is not all that progressive as far as her music, but she has a beautiful voice and writes wonderful songs. The vocals are a dominant force in her music, along with a piano, giving the songs an almost acoustic feel to them. The songs are not very hard rocking, but the emotion and power built up through her vocals more then makes up for it, IMHO. Either album is a good place to start, though I slightly prefer "Little Earthquakes" since it has a more personal and acoustic feel.
Enchant -- Blueprint of the World
Enchant reminds me somewhat of Kings X, but without as many harmonies. They mix their keyboard sounds with the guitar pretty well. They are a good band, but not one of my favorites. Steve Rothery (from Marillion) produced some of their songs.
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Well, there are many, many more progressive rock bands, but I think that should give you a good idea of where to start. :-) If you want, you can get the Gibralter Encyclopedia of Progressive Rock which has reviews on almost all of the albums above. Those reviews are very opinionated (like mine I guess :-), but they could give you another perspective. The GEPR is available via ftp from ortega.cs.ucdavis.edu in /pub/MSB/GEPR. Or you can go to the WWW page: http://ortega.cs.ucdavis.edu/pub/MSB/WWW/Prog.html. The GEPR lists many, many *obscure* bands too, so it's a good reference for when you're ready to move on to even more prog rock. :-)
Here are a couple places that you can get the above albums from:
MAIL ORDER
Ranjit Padmanabhan -- ranjit@netcom.com Ranjit sells progressive rock albums through the internet. Just send him some email when you want to make an order. He carries most of the above albums including the hard-to-find stuff. Get his list of albums via ftp at: ftp.netcom.com in the /pub/ranjit directory (the file is called 'full-list'). He sometimes takes a few days to answer email (selling CDs is not his full-time job), but he has always been very reliable for me.
Of Sound Mind -- owner: Chris Lamka -- (410) 529-7082
"Of Sound Mind" is a store in Baltimore, MD that specializes in getting hard-to-find progressive rock. They also do mail-order so you can just call to ask what they have in stock. They can get any of the above albums that I said 'need to mail-order'. They are also very reliable.
Other places:
THE LASER'S EDGE PO BOX 3128, Hoboken, NJ 07030 201-656-2112 (6PM to 10PM EST, No Later !!!)
SYN-PHONIC, P.O.Box 2034, La Habra CA 90631 Tel/Fax: (714) 894-9506
If you want further information about the above bands or other bands, or if you're interested in setting up a tape trade (I have all of the above albums and many more) just send me some email. Good luck exploring the wonderful world of progressive rock and let me know what albums you decide to try!
Steve Chew schew@tis.com
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