YTSEJAM Digest 572
Today's Topics:
1) Re: concert pictures...
by BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
2) Re: RUSH
by mgjones@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (Michael Jones)
3) M.E.A.T. article
by Keast Michael J <4mjk@qlink.queensu.ca>
4) Promised Land nonDT
by Godsize@aol.com
5) Detroit show -- who else is going?
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
6) Re: When Dream & Labrie Unite :^)
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 570
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 570
by 2112@rmii.com (Douglas Yoder)
9) Re: Rush
by "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu>
10) Re: RUSH
by 2112@rmii.com (Douglas Yoder)
11) Re: DT B-More -- Spoilers
by "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu>
12) Re: NEW CD BOOT COMING SOON
by Mats Rydstr\vm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
13) DT Japan tour
by Atsushi Kawami <kawami@ae.keio.ac.jp>
14) Re: Promised Land nonDT
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
15) NYC/NEW HAVEN- SPOILERS********
by Mozo21@aol.com
16) NYC ...Spoiler.....
by "El Tigre" <BVD100@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
17) Labrie
by "El Tigre" <BVD100@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
18) pittsburgh - spoilers
by Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
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Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 13:57:05 -0600 (MDT)
From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: concert pictures...
Message-ID: <199410291957.NAA20073@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
What is the best method for taking pictures at shows? Do you just
get a disposable camera and hold the camera up while you push the
shutter? I might bring one into the Denver Show. Any advice is
appreciated. Thanks.
-Adam Bertapelle
bertapel@ucsu.colorado.edu
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Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 16:26:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: mgjones@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (Michael Jones)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: RUSH
Message-ID: <9410292026.AA10121@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu>
SL98MJ85@acs.wooster.edu wrote:
>
> Hey, are there ay Rush fans o this list?
> SLAY
More than you think!
(p.s., my home email address is mgjones@freewill.iac.net :)
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Michael G. Jones <Finger Me for PGP Key> Miami University, Oxford, OH
MGJones@NeXTSrv.CAS.MUOhio.Edu http://nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu/~mgjones
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Dream Theater >http://nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu/~mgjones/music/dt/dt.html
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Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 19:37:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Keast Michael J <4mjk@qlink.queensu.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: M.E.A.T. article
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9410291840.A27044-0100000@qlink>
I have had a few positive responses to my post about the DT article in
M.E.A.T. magazine, so here it is...
Definition of God's gift to metal in the nineties--Dream Theater.
The band that stunned the genre with the release of their masterpiece,
1992's Images And Words, and kept the buzz going with both the 1993 live
EP offering Live At The Marquee and the video Images And Words: Live In
Tokyo, has again delivered musical brilliance with the 11 tracks that
make up the new outing Awake. Simply put, if the masters of classical
music--Bach, Brahms, and Beethoven--were alive today, they'd be members
of Dream Theater.
Those of you who are avid M.E.A.T. readers know the affinity we
have for this supergroup-in-waiting. And, what makes this act even that
more close to the heart of Canadians is the fact that Dream Theater's
singer, James Labrie, is Canadian (the other members are guitarist John
Petrucci, bassist John Myung, and drummer Mike Portnoy, who are from the
New York/New Jersey area).
Recently returned from a knockout headlining appearance at
Foundations Forum, Labrie discussed the band's present and promising future.
"We started writing in January," begins Labrie, "and wrote intensely
right up until the time we started recording on May 18 down in L.A. at
One On One Studio. We were constantly reworking things even up until the
time we started working with the producers, John Purdell and Duane
Baron,--they were even in the rehearsal studio with us for about a week
for pre-production, taking notes and listening to us in the live sense."
With Labrie now a full member of the band--he joined Dream Theater
after Images And Words was written (which was actually the band's second
album following their rare 1989 Mechanic Records debut, When Dream And
Day Unite)--was there any change in the way they went about writing?
"It was pretty much the same way that Images And Words was put
together," states Labrie. "There's two ways it happens: one of the guys
will come in with an idea or groove in mind. They'll start it off and
then everyone joins in jamming and expanding on it. Sooner or later,
whether it takes three days or a week, we'll have a composition. Or
they'll come in with completed songs. Also, a tape is always running at
rehearsal and at the end they'll sit back and listen to the tape--if
there's sections they like, they'll expand on them until it becomes a
song. For Awake, when they had completed a song they'd send the tape up
to me in Canada and then I'd sit down and start writing melodies. I'd sit
on the balcony, crank it on my walkman, and work on it from there. I then
flew down to them and we started jamming the ideas out. Basically, I
leave the guys alone when it comes to the music."
Did you contribute lyrically on this outing? "There's one song
that's mine, `Caught In A Web', and Mike and I wrote `The Mirror'
together. Everybody participated in the others. I'm sure that as time
goes on there'll be more of my lyrics. This is not the type of band that
is made up of guys who are like, `Hey, man, I want more'. As far as we're
concerned we use the lyrics that best represent the song. It's also a
case of where one guy in the band might be feeling really close to a song
who wants to write the lyrics. Not necessarily is the singer supposed to
be the lyricist. The lyrics should just be ones that apply to the song
and really compliment it."
"A common thread throughout the lyrics," continues Labrie, "would be
that of becoming more in touch with your own existence and using that to
your advantage--growing from knowledge and using it when dealing with
others around you. However, it's a lot deeper and dimensional thatn just
that. The lyrics are dealing with relationships in many different facets."
How does the album's title, Awake, fit in? "It kind of explains it
all," states Labrie. "Establishing a strong relationship with yourself
which enables you to become more aware and awake of those around you, and
being able to communicate on a higher level with others. And, at the same
time, the music is also a reflection of that because we feel that the
music is becoming more expressive--more alive, more aware."
Style-wise, there was a more urgent, energetic, speed/riff driven
sound to Images And Words, whereas Awake, while no less intense and
metallic (if not more so in parts), is more groove oriented and
melodically structured. Esentially, it exudes a searing confidence and
conviction more evidens, and as a band. The more
we understand each other makes it all flow together. We went into this
album with a lot of knowledge after touring the world twice. You find it
easier to express yourself. I think one of the most notable elements that
someone is going to pick up on right away is that it's a more agressive,
heavy metal sounding album. It was somewhat therapeutic in a sense to get
this aggression and frustration out. There is definitely a dark side to
this album. At the same time there's a lot of complexities and
diversities still there musically. So it's still Dream Theater."
Some core listeners more into DT's shred might be thrown off by the
light-chorused song `Innocence Faded', a much softer song than one might
be expecting from them. "I think some people might say `What is this? Are
they wimping out?'", says Labrie. "But people will have to realize that
it's just another side of us that we like and are very sincere in
expressing." However, that's the four minute exception to what is
otherwise 75 minutes of metallic intensity, which is being first leaked
out with the single `Lie'.
Since the recording of Awake, keyboardist Kevin Moore has left the
band. What led to his departure? "I think it has been maybe in the last
year and a half that Kevin was going in a different direction," Labrie
diplomatically states. "His whole musical direction has changed. He was
finding more gratification out of working at home, and he's recording
stuff that is going more towards an industrial techno style. It wasn't
where we were going as Dream Theater. Kevin did contribute to this album,
but he was not really involved when it came down to writing and
constructing these songs. He was adding his bits and pieces here and
there, but he wasn't contributing as he was on the last two. So it gets
to the point where that negativity, kind of like butting heads, is not
conducive to the whole project. There's no animosity between us--we all
parted very maturely, and we're still great friends with him. It just
came to a crossroad where he had to go his way and we had to go ours.
Obviously the passion and sincerity, on his part, wasn't there anymore."
For the Foundations gig, Jordan Rudes (Dixie Dregs) filled in on
keys. Will he become a permanent member? "He's an incredible musician and
totally into it," responds Labrie, "but we just dont want to jump right
into something. We have to make sure that someone is technically great,
but at the same time has the right attitude and personality and
chemistry. Who we take out on the road won't necessarily be the new
member."
The first fans to discover Dream Theater were essentially musicians.
On Awake, these musicians will be supremely impressed, yet will this
outing make more of a mark with a mainstream audience? "We'll still have
quite a large number of musicians that'll follow us," stresses Labrie,
"but I think that in a sense it's more accessible. There was no conscious
effort to be more accessible. For the already Dream Theater fan, it's
very similar in parallel with Images in a sense that it's not going to be
an album you can listen to once and grasp--it's going to take four or
five listens. For those who are new listeners...well, because there's a
lot of heavy sounding music out now maybe people will accept us more
easily. A good way that we like to be presented is contemporary without
being trendy. What I really find exciting is that there's a lot of bands
out there experimenting with music. The whole musical direction is really
exciting--there's a real return to heavy rock guitar. Music is just
getting back to being sincere. People are dictating what they want to
hear and the industry is listening. That's why you're hearing so many
bands, especially us, being given a chance."
Speaking of chance, the "buzz" on Dream Theater in the U.S. and
Europe leaves no doubt to many that this acclaimed act is poised to
become the Yes/Rush of the 90's. Does the band feel that a status of that
nature is attainable? "I think that we can take it there," Labrie
confidently proclaims. "The music that we're doing lends itself for us to
go there and do it seriously, with conviction. We'd all love to be a huge
band. Whether or not that happens, who really knows? With a band like
Dream Theater, as long as we continue to grow, and people grow with us,
then that would be just as rewarding as exploding someday and becoming a
huge band."
Touring for DT starts in North America on October 20, with Canadian
dates slates for Toronto (RPM, October 25), Montreal and Vancouver. Their
tour mates for this will be none other than Toronto act I Mother Earth.
After a Christmas break, DT begin a tour of Japan on January 14, then
Europe, then back to North America.
At this point it comes to this reviewer's mind of the time when I
sat down to a Greek dinner with the members of Dream Theater at the
now-defunct Eros restaurant across from Toronto's Spectrum club--where
they played their first Toronto appearance--and we were all wondering
when/if the first record was going to do anything of substance (it had
only sold 10,000 U.S. at that time). Now, nearly two years later, Dream
Theater's debut sold just under one million worldwide--just shy of gold
in the U.S.--and they've received every acclaim possible for an act from
both fans and peers alike. Now, with album number two released, and the
band beginning this outing from a much different plateau--they're nearly
superstars in Europe and Japan, and on the crest of it in the U.S.--it
must be both great and scary at the same time. "I don't think scary...
unless you're starting to make me think and I'm going to be scared
shitless at the end of the day," laughs Labrie. "It's really gratifying
and encouraging when I think about where I came from--Images shipped
8,000 for distribution, and this is going to ship close to 30,000 in the
States. We started touring for Images in small places and by the time we
were done we went to playing in front of 3,000 people or more per gig. So
it's incredible how far we've brought it, and how fast people became
aware and embraced that album. Hopefully they'll embrace Awake the same way."
*Whew...*
I hope everyone enjoys the article (especially since i just spent an hour
and a half typing it out!)
Michael Keast
Queen's University
Kingston, Ontario, Canada
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 00:14:01 -0400
From: Godsize@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Promised Land nonDT
Message-ID: <9410300008575592159@aol.com>
I think this new album just sucks. DT took around a four year lay off after
WDADU and changed singers and they gave us the immortally divine IaW.
Queensryche gave us crap. I think they were broke and just needed money. I
have lost all respect for them.
Trey
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Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 21:36:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Detroit show -- who else is going?
Message-ID: <199410300436.AA11478@crl7.crl.com>
In a spurt of total chaos, I've decided to fly up to Detroit from
Atlanta to see the show on Sunday the 6th. If anyone else from
Ytsejam is there, you'll know me by my Ytsejam t-shirt. :)
Airfare is $245, so I hope Labrie's voice is spot-on for the show.
heh
Total cost for my copy of AWAKE:
Rebuilt transmssion, failed en route: $1483.00
Car rental during repair: $50.00
Tow (2nd tow was paid by garage): $38.00
One copy of AWAKE: $10.99 at Best Buy
~~~~~~~~~~
$1581.99
Kinda pricey, but it -is- 75 minutes long. It's also very, VERY good!
-- Seen my diary on the newsstand | Paul W. Cashman Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand | vanyel@crl.com It's a shame no-one is praying | Dream Theater "Voices" 'Cause these voices in my head keep sayin'.."Love, just don't stare."------------------------------
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 09:09:49 -0400 (EDT) From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: When Dream & Labrie Unite :^) Message-ID: <EigYaRi00WB7MQYn5c@andrew.cmu.edu>
they havent done light fuse and get away live, except for the intro at the instrumental show. but it sounds crappy
if YOU want to know ----- bill bajzek ------- and if YOU want to know just what i see ------- impaler@cmu.edu ------------ where were going look at yourself --- http://www.contrib.andrew --- keep your distance and dont ask me ----- .cmu.edu/usr/wb2a/home ----- and dont follow me
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 01:42:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 570 Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9410300154.B5643-0100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
On Fri, 28 Oct 1994 ytsejam@arastar.com wrote:
> > Date: Thu, 27 Oct 94 20:46:43 PDT > From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: BAY AREA DREAM THEATER TICKETS!!! > Message-ID: <9410280346.AA25449@teng6.fmt> > > > ON SALE THIS SUNDAY AT ALL BASS OUTLETS!!! > > (need I say more?) > > As a reminder, the shows are at the Warfield, SFO TH > and F, Dec. 1 & 2, consecutively. And noooo, they > couldn't play *any* DT after the announcement, instead, > they play fucking Jane's Addiction (Been Caught Stealin'). > STP'll probably be next !>/> > > Omigod! I was right! I must be a physic or something. > Fuck KSJO, I wished I still lived in Sac. Long live ^^^^^^^^^ Well-said!!! I've been listening to that station for a while now, since I started going to Berkeley, and I must say, those fools have some admirably fucked-up tastes in music. On top of that, I remember just a couple of months ago, when this list was going wild with people posting their reviews of Awake based on advance copies, that I requested "Lie" a bunch of times. After a couple of hours of listening, nothing ever happened. I think those guys have something against good music.
Younis Hilal
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 94 01:39 MST From: 2112@rmii.com (Douglas Yoder) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 570 Message-ID: <m0r1VnG-0001ORC@rockymtn.net>
> <<<<The only reason Scarred was left off the cassette was due to space >constraints. I know that 90+ minute tapes exist, but for some industry >manufacturing reason, they are not used. I think they made the right >decision in excluding that song from the tape. If I were still a cassette- >oriented consumer, I would rather not pay CD price for a double cassette that >has one extra song.>>>>
>This has to be wrong for two reasons.
>1- Extreme III Sides to Every Story had one more song on the cassette which >wasn't on the CD >2- The Extreme III CD is over 76 minutes long, which would make their >cassette over 80 minutes. This also negates the sticker which is on the Awake >cd that has some bullshit about Awake being the longest cd that can ever be >made.
>Andy
This is starting to get annoying.
If you have ever noticed, a multimedia CD-ROM can handle 650 Megs of data as a standard. This is a standard for CD-ROM because the computer industry just _loves_ standards. It's a human thing, I guess. In any case, the musical CD standard is 16-bit stereo, sampled at 44.1kHz. This means to find out the amount of data accesible in terms of minutes of digital audio data, we multiply the number of samples per second (44,100) by the number of bits of data collected with each sample (16) by the number of channels which are being recorded (2 for stereo) and get as a result:
44,100 * 16 * 2 = 1,411,200 bits per second.
Divide this by eight to get the number of bytes per second:
1,411,200 ------------ = 176,400 bytes per second. 8
This means the audio data alone gives you 10.584Megs per minute or 635.04Megs per hour. This doesn't include any wierd surround-sound codes, etc.
There are other factors, but this gives you an idea of what to expect from the media.
Now, there is always room for stretching limits, as CDs only use about a third of their surface area (a band down the middle -- the outer and inner diameters aren't used for data) just as do regular magnetic media found in floppies and hard drives, however there isn't _much_ room left. I can see being able to cram 75 minutes of data into CDs that have been error-checked a little more extensively than most just like they do with high-density floppies as opposed to the double-density ones and aluminum disks found in hard drives. The matter is then one of how high their standards of error-checking are.
This "bullshit" as you call it regarding the sticker proclaiming the longest possible CD length stands up to the math pretty well. The term "bullshit" does not. What are the units of "bullshit"? Pounds? Cubic centimeters?
I think a better explanation the thing with the Extreme tape would be of an economic nature.
Ever think that Sony or TDK or someone was having this huge sale on million-foot-lots of industry standard casette tape? Maybe the record company figured that they would increase their profit margin by ten percent if they were able to sell a bunch of tapes (multiply 80 cents by ten million cassettes) over CDs but knew that in order to get people to buy them and ensure a sell-out, they would have to give the consumers a bonus, like an extra track or two. I'll bet if you look around you'll find other tapes by other artists on the same label that have an extra track as well...
Just an idea, but I know that CDs are _much_ more length-limited than tapes are.
Seems more likely to me that the record company decided to sacrifice a little tape integrity for some extra $$$, than that they are trying to rip you off by not including a track on the CD.
Now, can we end this thread?
2112 -------------------| | /\ | : 2112 -=<2112>=- | home : 2112@RMII.COM ^^ | work : Yoder@comet.enet.qntm.com .. | .oo. | .oOOo. | * Remeber that we are all spiritual beings * .oOOo. | * having a human experience... * .oo. | .. | When we stand on the edge of all that we | have known, one of two things will happen: Encourage Liberal | A bridge will appear at our feet or we Use of Intellect | will be taught how to fly. and Free Will!! | ___________________|
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 02:56:53 -0500 From: "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Rush Message-ID: <199410300756.CAA03696@o231-18.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
>At least one! Matter of fact, I know there's a couple of others too.
yeah... rather silly question ;)
>Might as well ask "are there any musicians on this list?" ;)
well, there's at least one guy from Inferno, myself, and a few others that I know of.
BTW, there are also other haveners here too ;)
Dom'ny
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 94 01:46 MST From: 2112@rmii.com (Douglas Yoder) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: RUSH Message-ID: <m0r1VuX-0001KZC@rockymtn.net>
>SL98MJ85@acs.wooster.edu wrote: >> >> Hey, are there ay Rush fans o this list? >> SLAY > >More than you think! > >(p.s., my home email address is mgjones@freewill.iac.net :) > >______________________________________________________________________ >Michael G. Jones <Finger Me for PGP Key> Miami University, Oxford, OH >MGJones@NeXTSrv.CAS.MUOhio.Edu http://nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu/~mgjones >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Dream Theater >http://nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu/~mgjones/music/dt/dt.html >______________________________________________________________________
Now THAT's a cool domaine name!!
2112 -------------------| | /\ | : 2112 -=<2112>=- | home : 2112@RMII.COM ^^ | work : Yoder@comet.enet.qntm.com .. | .oo. | .oOOo. | * Remeber that we are all spiritual beings * .oOOo. | * having a human experience... * .oo. | .. | When we stand on the edge of all that we | have known, one of two things will happen: Encourage Liberal | A bridge will appear at our feet or we Use of Intellect | will be taught how to fly. and Free Will!! | ___________________|
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 02:26:50 -0500 From: "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: DT B-More -- Spoilers Message-ID: <199410300726.CAA03570@o231-18.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
>One more thing...Mike P. sorta looked like 'Animal' from the 'Muppets' during >his solo. It was really cool. ANNEEEEMAAAAAAL :)
*laugh* I got the same impression from the LiT video. Particularly right after the guitar riff in his solo when he is using only the bass and is waving the stick in the air, his hair all flying about :)
Dom'ny
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 10:45:12 +0100 (MET) From: Mats Rydstr\vm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: NEW CD BOOT COMING SOON Message-ID: <Pine.3.87.9410301012.A11791-0100000@mumrik.nada.kth.se>
Hi, someone posted something about a new boot from the Stockholm concert last year. The date was 27/10-93 and it was a killer show. Swedish national radio recorded and broadcasted it. They probably recorded the whole show but unfortunately they just broadcasted some 50 minutes of it. I've tried to get my hands on the complete recordings but I haven't managed to so far. The songs broadcasted were:
Metropolis Mission: Impossible Afterlife Under A Glass Moon Wait For Sleep Surrounded Take The Time Pull Me Under
The sound is quite good, although too heavy on the bass and the drums sounding quite jazzy. I think this Wait For Sleep is the coolest one I've ever heard, Myung and Petrucci join in in a great jazzy fashion. Afterlife is also interesting to hear with James singing, and also Mission: Impossible is a killer. My own recording of this is not superb but just quite good, but with a real DAT-recording of it with some equalizing it would make a good deal. Lets hope for that! (I will continously try to get hold of the complete show. Other numbers that I would like to hear from it: Learning To Live, To Live Forever, Eve and Ytsejam.)
Ok, that's all!
/Mats Rydstrom, d94-mry@nada.kth.se
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 94 20:48:54 +0900 From: Atsushi Kawami <kawami@ae.keio.ac.jp> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT Japan tour Message-ID: <9410301148.AA21070@lexus.ae.keio.ac.jp>
Hi,all
Kazutomo Ikeda said
>And, DT Japan tour was announced today! Well, they'll play on Jan. >21st and 24th next year in Tokyo area (not exactly Tokyo, though).
I add to this, Jan. 16 in Osaka, 19 in Hukuoka and 25 in Sendai.
>It's their 3rd visit to Japan, and I just can't wait to see them live >again!!!
Yes me,too. Of course I'll go to see them, but why they don't play exactly in Tokyo???
And I have one more question. The newspaper gave notice of only four members, but no new keyboard player. As in US, will they play with Derrick in Japan?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Kawami Atsushi (E-Mail: kawami@ae.keio.ac.jp) Kawashima Lab. Department of Administrative Engineering Faculty of Science and Technology, Keio University---Tokyo Japan
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 10:15:29 -0600 (CST) From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Promised Land nonDT Message-ID: <199410301615.KAA09519@galaxy.galstar.com>
> I think this new album just sucks. DT took around a four year lay off after > WDADU and changed singers and they gave us the immortally divine IaW. > Queensryche gave us crap. I think they were broke and just needed money. I > have lost all respect for them.
Hmm.... well I wouldn't say it "SUCKS" but I am very disapointed... I bought PL and Empire the same day (I had never heard QR before) and I have listend to Empire a LOT! Needless to say, it rocks. but PL I don't really like. Boring almost, especially for a progressive band. I'm used to being at the edge of my seat with John P.'s guitar riffs, but on this album I find myself falling asleep. I don't see what all those hardcore Rychers see in it over at the Screaming in Digital mailing list.
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 12:34:16 -0500 From: Mozo21@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: NYC/NEW HAVEN- SPOILERS******** Message-ID: <9410301234145767579@aol.com>
Song content to follow-
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
should be enough.
At the New Haven show, I'm pretty sure that they actually played the intro to Metropolis, but at the NYC show, they definitely did not. Am I right about New Haven? Does anyone know of any instances where the band has played the intro and not used the CD???
just curious!
now back to our regularly schedules sample discussions.
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 94 12:00 EST From: "El Tigre" <BVD100@PSUVM.PSU.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: NYC ...Spoiler..... Message-ID: <m0r1dex-00006pC@crash.cts.com>
What an incredible show!!!! Mike Portnoy is a god (even though he had a little trouble catching sticks tonight) !!! For those interested, the set list is as follows (if I can remember the order correctly): 1) Pull Me Under 2) 6:00 3) Take the Time (Petrucci solo) 4) Caught in a Web (Portnoy solo) 5) Lifting Shadows off a Dream 6) The Mirror 7) Lie 8) The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun 9) Another Day 10) Erotomania 11) Voices 12) The Silent Man 13) Metropolis-Part I (Encore)
I think that's the order...that's definately the set list, though. I Mother Earth was pretty decent....especially when Mike joined them on percussion for one song. Derrick (the fill-in keyboardist) wasn't bad...despite fucking up on Another Day, he held his own and was pretty impressive on Metroplis. The one thing that pissed me off was the mosh pit in front. Can you really mosh to Voices??? What a joke...it totally distracted people trying to listen to the music....we spent much of the show making sure we weren't going to get elbowed in the face!!!
All in all, I'd say it was one of the best shows I've ever been to. The only thing that would have made it better was if I had caught Mike's bass drum head at the end of the show!!!
Vin D.
"I close my eyes and feel the water rise around me Drown the beat of time, let my senses fall away I can see much clearer now, I'm blind"
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 94 12:10 EST From: "El Tigre" <BVD100@PSUVM.PSU.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Labrie Message-ID: <m0r1dmG-0000dUC@crash.cts.com>
The other night at the Manhatten Center, I heard some tool say the James Labrie used to be the lead singer for Helloween!!! I figured that one of you guys would know for sure....please tell me he's wrong!!!
One other thing...I heard somebody at the show say that Mike Portnoy is the next Neil Peart. Let me say this: I'm a Rush fan and I think Portnoy pisses on Peart!!!
Just my opinion..
Vin D.
P.S. Mike's from Jersey anyway...he'd have to be awesome :)
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 14:01:16 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: pittsburgh - spoilers Message-ID: <Aigypwu00iV2A2yWsO@andrew.cmu.edu>
spoiler stuff
That should do it. Great show, as usual. I was kind of disappointed that they didn't play Innocence Faded, which I heard they had been playing earlier in the tour. Oh well. The setlist:
Pull Me Under 6:00 Take the Time Caught in a Web Lifting Shadows off a Dream The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun The Mirror Lie Another Day A Mind Beside Itself Metropolis
James sang really well for the most part, and Derek screwed up a couple times but the band covered well and his overall performance was excellent. I was really impressed by the piano solo at the end of Take the Time. The Johns and Portnoy were amazing...no surprise there.
There were a couple problems...one, the keyboards were often not loud enough...i was really disappointed during the Mirror when James sang "I'll never hurt you again" and the SDV part following was nearly audible. Then there was a screwup with John's acoustic at the beginning of The Silent Man, so he had to use his electric. Also, I have to say hat as well as Derek did, Kevin's absence was felt...mainly in the lack of things like Wait for Sleep and Eve...the ethereal stuff Kev does so well...it just wasn't there, and it seemed to me that the concert didn't affect me as deeply as last year's did. Maybe it's just me, though...still...I really miss Kevin...The band still smoked, though, no question about it. Mike's drum solo was tastefully short (drum solos tend to bore me to death.) Hmm...now that I think about it, something along the lines of To Live Forever would have been nice.
TOWHTSTS was really interesting to hear without keyboards (derek hadn't learned that one yet). Much heavier than it sounds on WDADU, but mainly because of the mix, not the lack of keyboards. So it was interesting, but I still would have preferred to hear it with keys.
Talked to the band after the show...ran into Derek several times...as other people have reported, he's a really nice guy. So myself, Bill, and the other people we were there with formed the derek fan club. It was a lot of fun. Asked Mike how his back was, he replied "how do you know this stuff?" to which I answered "we know everything." Well, his back's okay. The whole band was really nice, and we had a great time. Some wierd guy in his forties or something, with short hair, wearing a sweater and I think a tie, tried to convince us that the Beatles were the best music there was. Um, okay. Also ran into a few ytsejam people, although Kai is the only one who's name I got. Great time.
I really miss Kevin though. Oh well.
max ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ does this voice the does this voice the wounds of your soul? wounds of your soul? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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