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                            YTSEJAM Digest 503

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 497
        by Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
  2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 499
        by Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
  3) Answers about getting Japanese AWAKE
        by Kaoru Kobayashi <GCH06672@niftyserve.or.jp>
  4) Tour dates and new songs?
        by hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
  5) Re: unsubscribing and other hosts
        by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
  6) Re: Lie
        by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
  7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 502
        by khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson)
  8) Re: Lie
        by "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu>
  9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 499
        by Eric Moegling <emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>
 10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 502
        by <okuda@motion.elcom.nitech.ac.jp>
 11) Re: Tour dates and new songs?
        by gmsanbo@chopin.udel.edu (BIG G)
 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 502
        by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
 13) Re: Tour dates and new songs?
        by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
 14) Lie CD single
        by StmpyJCat@aol.com
 15) Re: Lie
        by smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield)
 16) Re: Tour dates and new songs?
        by smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield)

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Topic No. 1

Date: Thu, 1 Sep 94 14:22:15 GMT
From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 497
Message-ID: <199409010720.AA10360@panix.com>

>> I just read in the AOL Dixie Dregs folder that Jordan Rudes has replaced
T Lavitz for their current tour. Anyone? <<
 
Yes, I've heard this too, at least for a few gigs in Florida. But
according to hard information on alt.music.deep-purple last week Steve
Morse also has joined Deep Purple so I've no idea what's going on! :)

>> Don't know who made the comment on Shawn Lane joining DT but if that
ever happened I would be one happy man! <<

What!? What!? Now that would be _truly_ scary.. :D

>> Shawn is an incredible musical talent not only is he a great
keyboardist/pianist but an awsome guitar player! This guy will put many
"so called" guitar heroes to shame just tuning his guitar (ok ok bad
joke :{)} )! If you want to hear how this guy sounds, I strongly sugest
that you go out and purchase his CD "powers of 10" on Warner Brothers,
then you can judge for yourself! <<

Couldn't agree more.

>> One last thought, is anyone familiar with the Foundations Forum? I
believe that Dream Theater, Fates Warning and Yngwie Malmsteen among
others will be performing there September 22-24! <<

Correct AFAIK. Yngwie said he's headlining and so did DT's management in
regards to DT, so perhaps they're headlining on different days..

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Topic No. 2

Date: Thu, 1 Sep 94 14:23:30 GMT
From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 499
Message-ID: <199409010720.AA10364@panix.com>

> I'm afraid the above mentioned scenario is a *little* too scary. Imagine
this: Shawn and Petrucci doing this ripping guitar/keyboard double lead
thing and all of a sudden Shawn starts going faster and faster and THEN
puts on a guitar and totally shreads John! As great as John is, this is
what would happen if SL were in DT, IMHO. But, seriously, Shawn would
make a fantastic addition to the band! AND he's a great songwriter too. <

Agreed! Somehow I don't think Shawn would go for it though.. :)

BTW I've got a good story about the first time I met SL, in a store in
Memphis called "strings'n'things" ... I was "showing off" (at least
that's what I thought :) and in comes Shawn and plays along with "presto
vivace" (UK song) at full speed. On guitar! :)

And it wasn't even a real guitar, it was one of those awful 'roland
synth guitars' with the stupid 'handle' on top. The strings were about
an inch above the fretboard!! I was in a state of total, utter and
complete disbelief and amazement. And it later turned out that: a) he's
extremely musical, and not only a "typist". b) he knows how to play
piano really good too.. c) him, me and my brother all hated the same
things. ;)

There's more to the story (yngwie stuff) but I'm in a bit of a hurry.. :)

> No...this is just too scary to happen. <

:) that's kinda what I thought too...

More realistically, if Jordan Rudess don't work out they should perhaps
look into Dave Rosenthal or Steve Hunt. Or Jim Beard?

Or T Lavitz? :)

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Topic No. 3

Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 20:13:00 JST
From: Kaoru Kobayashi <GCH06672@niftyserve.or.jp>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Answers about getting Japanese AWAKE
Message-ID: <199409011240.VAA07165@inetnif.niftyserve.or.jp>

Hi,
I recieved some mails about getting AWAKE Japanese limited edition from me.
I think I had better to answer on this list because probabry there are other
people who have similar questions I recieved.
 
1.) The dates you can get AWAKE from me
The release date of AWAKE Japanese edition is Oct.10th 1994. So, I can get
its on Oct.10th and send you all on the day. It takes about 1 week from Japan
to U.S.A., U.K., and all European countries. If you live in other countries,
it takes about 10-12 days from Japan.
 
2.) About AWAKE bonus CD single
I heard it includes only "Eve", but it is STUDIO version. :):):) Eve is on a
8cm CD single.(It's as small as minidisc.) Can you play a 8cm CD single? If
not, please mail me. I also send you an adapter.
 
Japanese edition has same liner notes as American version has. It also
has some extra papers written in Japanese, but they are translations of
lyrics or something. You can get liner written in English. No problem! :)
 
3.) How to order AWAKE Japanese edition
\3000(3000 yen) of International money order is the best. But I can exchange
U.S. dollar into Japanese yen easily in bank. So, it's OK you send $30 in cash
(bills). I can't recieve other money order, cash, and check. Please choose
one of them, international money order for 3000 yen or $30 in cash. If you
don't know about international money order,please go to a post office and ask.
My mailbox has a lock, but please take care not to see the cash from outside.
 
There are many people want to get the limited edition in Japan. So,I must
make advance order in the shop until Sep.20th. Please order until Sep.20th.
 
My address is:
 
Kaoru Kobayashi
3-22-1-201
Higashi, Kunitachi-city
Tokyo 186
JAPAN
 
Are there more questions?
 ***********************************************************************
 * " If spirit's a sign, then it's only a matter of time. " *
 * Kaoru Kobayashi gch06672@niftyserve.or.jp (from Japan) *
 ***********************************************************************

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Topic No. 4

Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 23:18:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Tour dates and new songs?
Message-ID: <199409010318.XAA09340@umbc9.umbc.edu>

Hi all!

When it comes time for DT to start touring, is there someone on here
(c-man?) that will be able to provide us with tour listings?
I plan on seeing DT at every show in the Maryland, Virginia, DC, Delaware,
Penn. area!!!!

Any word on Fates Warning being with them?

Has anyone seen anything new yet at the ftp site? I've been checking but
nothing yet.

See ya!

**************************************************************************
* Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu *
* *
* You're fighting the weight of the world, *
* and no one can save you this time. *
* Close your eyes - you can find all you need in your mind. *
* *
* "Take the Time" - Dream Theater *
**************************************************************************

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Topic No. 5

Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 14:18:15 PDT
From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: unsubscribing and other hosts
Message-ID: <199409012118.OAA29660@netcom9.netcom.com>

>
>On Wed, 31 Aug 1994 00:39:35 PDT, Dr. Mosh <drkhoe@netcom.com> said:
>
>> Perhaps we should have a FAQ or a reference posting for those who are in
>> need of unsubscribing, etc...
>
>There once was a FAQ for this mailing list. I'll see if I have it archived
>(if so, I'll add it to the ytsejam-request/listserv archive).
>
>As to reference postings...
>
>I'm currently re-writing the digest mode so it will allow custom headers
>and footers. The custom footer will include addresses and pointers.
>The INFO file for ytsejam also includes this info, as does the WELCOME
>message that new users get when they subscribe.
>
>Since there's an increase in new subscribers during the fall, I plan
>on reposting that message weekly through September. Irritating to
>long-time readers of the list, but a boon to new subscribers.
>
>As to the FAQ, I'll repost it when I find it (I'll also contact the
>author to see if it's still active).
>
>--
>Ken Bibb "Voices of angels filling our hearts
>jester@arastar.com With the truth of our blazing defiance"
>jester@crash.cts.com --Galadriel "The Gray Stones of Escalia"

Yes... I know that the INFO file for YTSEJAM has all the info for
maniuplating a listserv... but it's simply AMAZING how many people DO NOT
read that file after they subscribe to the list...

Headers of Footers would be great...

-The Doc

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Topic No. 6
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 14:20:39 PDT
From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Lie
Message-ID: <199409012120.OAA29973@netcom9.netcom.com>
>"I couldn't find anything very musically interesting about the
>song." -- SVanHooser@aol.com
>
>Well, the song is not as strong melody-wise.  But, rythmically
>it is awesome.  This is the case with a lot of heavier sounding music,
>It's hard to sound heavy in a major mode, you have to play in something
>minor or nonstandard (melodic minor).  And these are not naturally nice
>modes to listen to.  They have a harsher, more aggressive and evil feel
>to them.
>
>Anyway, I must say that the song did not impress me to much at first.
>But after listening to it a couple 40 times or so.  I have a better feel
>for it.  You have to respect the tightness and execution of the
>rythm playing of the song.  I think the soloing is incredible also.  You
>can tell Petrucci has been practicing--he's improved a lot!
>
>I really freaked when the last section of the song began.  The pup-sounding
>"duh-duh-duh, duh-duh-duh, duh-duh-duh" part.  That's some of the coolest
>music I've heard since I&W.
>
>All I can say to everyone who's going to hear Lie for the first time in a
>little bit is that you should not judge it right away.  If I had quit
>listening to I&W when I hated it, I wouldn't be the extreme DT fan I am today.
>
>"That's what he does, what he does..." -- Mike Portnoy, re: what Moore does
>
>
>
>Lark
Hmmm... sure... it's a nice METAL rhythm.... but it doesn't have any
astounding time changes or odd time beats in the tradition of Dream
Theater...  and the singing.... HAHAHAHA whatta cliche...
It's one of those "play it on the radio" songs....  "first single!"...
It's so the stupid headbanger kids can go "Dude, they are cool... they
rock man..."
-The Doc
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Topic No. 7
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 94 15:43:04 MDT
From: khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re:  YTSEJAM digest 502
Message-ID: <9409012143.AA21854@nyx.cs.du.edu>
Hey, anyone who subscribes to Guitar World got a wicked bonus in their
last issue:
A KILLER Dream Theater sticker...  It's the (M) logo, but it looks all
painted on a brown background.  The closest thing I can compare it
to is Rush's Chronicles cover...
On the back, it listed all the song titles, and the release date... Oct. 4
The coolest thing is Guitar World ever....  
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Topic No. 8
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 18:24:40 -0500
From: "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Lie
Message-ID: <199409012324.SAA00817@o231-18.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
>Well, the song is not as strong melody-wise.  But, rythmically
>it is awesome.
About the only thing clean about this song is the beat...
This song gets too much into the grunge area for me, which
steals the energy from the song more often than not. Also,
part of the singing sounds very forced within the Mother
Mary verse, particularly the last line ("but once is just
enough for me")
I don't like to call DT selling out, but if this is the first
song released (and from I just read, it is), I think they
ARE trying to drum up interest with a frigging grunge song.
Though there had always been some element of it in their
albums (which blended well), it never got this bad   ;p
Sick of grating noise,
Dom'ny
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Topic No. 9
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 23:48:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: Eric Moegling <emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 499
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9409012334.A16985-0100000@bigcat>
Alrighty then...I couldn't help but notice (and call me stupid!) that 
Jen's doesn't have a .SIG...WASSUP WIT' DIS? Maybe we could have a dumb 
little contest to see who can think up a good one or something...Jus a 
dumb suggestion to hold us off til' 10/4 (or earlier depending on your 
resources!!!). Also, I too want to know what happened to the new DT stuff 
on Music Net...I was there...and notta! Thassall fonow! Later!
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If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sig's) (i.e
A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major 
would have 4 sharps.                     
  			    emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu
           ERIC MOEGLING:   emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu 
			    	
			    as297@freenet.hsc.colorado.edu
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Topic No. 10
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 94 11:14:34 +0900
From: <okuda@motion.elcom.nitech.ac.jp>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 502 
Message-ID: <9409020214.AA24862@motion.elcom.nitech.ac.jp>
Hello. I'm T.Okuda, one of the Japanese DT fan.
I've read about the rumor that Kevin Moore has left the band.
Is it true? If it's true, I'm very sorry about that.
  Anyone who tell me a story about that?
P.S: Sorry for my broken english.
--------------------
okuda@motion.elcom.nitech.jp
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Topic No. 11
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 23:25:40 EDT
From: gmsanbo@chopin.udel.edu (BIG G)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Tour dates and new songs?
Message-ID: <199409020325.XAA16206@chopin.udel.edu>
On Sep 1,  7:44pm, hartman larry wrote:
} 
} When it comes time for DT to start touring, is there someone on here
} (c-man?) that will be able to provide us with tour listings?
} I plan on seeing DT at every show in the Maryland, Virginia, DC, Delaware,
} Penn.  area!!!!  
 
	I'm with you in DE and PA, dude!!! :):)
Gman
-- 
| "I once could see but  |   Garrett M. Sanborne   |"The mess and the magic,|
| now at last I'm blind" | gmsanbo@chopin.udel.edu | triumphant and tragic" |
|  -- Dream Theater      |    Univ. of Delaware    |        -- Rush         |
|  "Love is the dance of Eternity." - Dream Theater, Metropolis Part One    |
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Topic No. 12
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 21:01:47 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 502
Message-ID: <199409020401.VAA21379@bud.indirect.com>
> Hey, anyone who subscribes to Guitar World got a wicked bonus in their
> last issue:
> 
> A KILLER Dream Theater sticker...  It's the (M) logo, but it looks all
> painted on a brown background.  The closest thing I can compare it
> to is Rush's Chronicles cover...
> 
> On the back, it listed all the song titles, and the release date... Oct. 4
> 
> The coolest thing is Guitar World ever....  
	Do the newsstand issues have this??? I'm BUYING!
Mike Bahr, Feel The Rush! Music - garion@indirect.com
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Topic No. 13
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 21:03:08 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Tour dates and new songs?
Message-ID: <199409020403.VAA22258@bud.indirect.com>
> When it comes time for DT to start touring, is there someone on here
> (c-man?) that will be able to provide us with tour listings?
> I plan on seeing DT at every show in the Maryland, Virginia, DC, Delaware,
> Penn.  area!!!!  
	I agree! It's even more important for me since all I will be able 
to see them at, is Phoenix area and Tucson area (Arizona) shows. No other 
metropoli are close! Granted, they played three times last tour amongst 
those two areas, but I want to see them ALL! :)
Mike Bahr, Feel The Rush! Music - garion@indirect.com
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Topic No. 14
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 94 02:10:38 EDT
From: StmpyJCat@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Lie CD single
Message-ID: <9409020210.tn179233@aol.com>
I just got a promo copy of the Lie single. It has a VERY cool cover which I
hope is similar to the Awake cover. It has this really cool clock face with
Roman numerals and a big eye in the middle with a bunch of clouds in the
background. There are 2 photos of the band. Kevin is in both and,
interestingly, is the backmost person in each photo. I don't know if this was
a conscious decision but I did notice that in the latest bio from EastWest at
the top of the sheet are the names/instruments of the *current* members and
not Kevin although Kevin's split is mentioned in the bio itself. 
StmpyJCat@aol.com
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Topic No. 15
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 08:13:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Lie
Message-ID: <QQxfpo07944.199409021213@rodan.UU.NET>
> I don't like to call DT selling out, but if this is the first
> song released (and from I just read, it is), I think they
> ARE trying to drum up interest with a frigging grunge song.
> Though there had always been some element of it in their
> albums (which blended well), it never got this bad   ;p
That, or, the fact that Dream Theater has always drive delving into
different sounds in their songs.  I wouldn't say they're trying to "drum
up interest" so much as "Hey, I like this sound, lets see what happens
when *we* try it."
John Petrucci once told me & my roommate, while hanging out in a hotel
after a show in Rochester got postponed due to blizzard, "We grew up
listening to the same music you guys did.  Metal, pop, all of it.  The
five of us while having similar tastes in music, do have some different
likes and dislikes.  Our sound is going to vary a lot, and some of the
stuff is going to sound more like pop from time to time, really heavy
from time to time, to very classical from time to time.  I hope people
understand that, and don't misunderstand our intentions."  (This isn't
verbatim, Ender, do you remember more acurate exactly what he said?)
Steve Mansfield  |Once you're touched you stand alone to face the bitter fight
smm@uunet.uu.net |Once I reached for love but now I reach for life.
Dream Theater - Learning to Live
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Topic No. 16
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 08:17:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Tour dates and new songs?
Message-ID: <QQxfpp08246.199409021217@rodan.UU.NET>
> On Sep 1,  7:44pm, hartman larry wrote:
> } 
> } When it comes time for DT to start touring, is there someone on here
> } (c-man?) that will be able to provide us with tour listings?
> } I plan on seeing DT at every show in the Maryland, Virginia, DC, Delaware,
> } Penn.  area!!!!  
>  
> 	I'm with you in DE and PA, dude!!! :):)
You guys gotta expand your horizons.  The real fun is driving up and down
the east coast to see them:  Rochester x 2, (my roommate made it to the
limelight show), Pittsburg, DC x2, Baltimore x2, Virginia Beach, and I would 
have been at a show in Denver if I hadn't lost the master link on my 
motorcycle chain in Kansas City...   8-)
Steve Mansfield				 smm@uunet.uu.net                  
AlterNet Install Engineer		 ...uunet!smm
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