YTSEJAM Digest 778
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 775
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
2) Re: random notes
by Stephen O Boyd <boydso@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
3) Steve Vai's new disc, was Re: QR commin to Kansas City!
by Stephen O Boyd <boydso@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
4) No prob with Tim (was Re: WARNING! TIM LODGE SUCKS!)
by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
5) Re: THE DETERIORATION OF THE YTSE JAM LIST
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
6) Re: THE DETERIORATION OF THE YTSE JAM LIST
by Edward.C.Hurst@cc.gettysburg.edu
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 776
by "Jamie Burks" <jburks@pcs.MV.COM>
8) Re: Deterioration of the Ytsejam List
by jforte@acl.nyit.edu
9) Black Jester
by jforte@acl.nyit.edu
10) 1995 Japan video and whatnot.
by "Brian J. Wherry" <WB81%LAFAYACS.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu>
11) Re: WARNING! TIM LODGE SUCKS!
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
12) Video info.
by "Brian J. Wherry" <WB81%LAFAYACS.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu>
13) Re: Black Jester
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
14) Re: WARNING! TIM LODGE SUCKS!
by jbako01 <jbako01@barney.poly.edu>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 777
by Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
16) Correction.
by "Brian J. Wherry" <WB81%LAFAYACS.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu>
17) Oberheim.
by "Brian J. Wherry" <WB81%LAFAYACS.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu>
18) progressive?
by Alex Lifeson <TRMD@grove.iup.edu>
19) sorry to post again, but
by Alex Lifeson <TRMD@grove.iup.edu>
20) ALFREDO YOU BITE!
by SGA/POLITICAL SCIENCE '95/MACLAB <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>
21) Re: YTSEJAM digest 777
by YBBX10C@prodigy.com (MISS JAIME K KIMPTON)
22) Re: Ytsejam #776
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
23) Miscellany
by JennieBear@aol.com
24) Re: I erased the last jam digest someone forward it to me
by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
25) myung ancestry
by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
26) Re: The Silent Man CD single
by MattyMo@aol.com
27) Re: Tesla audition (lacking DT content)
by JennieBear@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 14:55:56 -0500
From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 775
Message-ID: <199504081853.OAA23777@nic.iii.net>
> From: Rob Weychert <weyc9212@kutztown.edu>
> Subject: Napalm Death
>
> P.S.--If anyone can tell me why I've been having a bitch of a time
> sending stuff to this list, I'd love to hear from you.
I don't know what computer or software you're using but I'm using
NewsWatcher on a Mac and I just hit Reply to post. I always get through.
Try some better software :).
Marc Respass
mer@sol.iii.net
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 14:09:49 -0500
From: Stephen O Boyd <boydso@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: random notes
Message-ID: <199504081909.OAA00401@o231-12.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
Mats wrote:
> Actually Sebastian Bach is featured in most long-play videos I've seen, for
> ex. Metallica, DT, Pantera.... Somehow he's always behind the scenes
> chatting with other bands etc. Probably a nice guy.
You can add Gwar to that list... Sebastian Bach appears in Gwar's latest movie,
"Skulhedface".
--Stephen
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 14:42:30 -0500
From: Stephen O Boyd <boydso@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Steve Vai's new disc, was Re: QR commin to Kansas City!
Message-ID: <199504081942.OAA00409@o231-12.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
market@clubmet.metrobbs.com said:
> Anyone a Steve VAI fan? he has a new cd out...havent heard it. He
> puts on a damn good show. I also saw Tony MacAlpine last nite...all I can
> say is ...damn! (grin). well...nothing like John P. Sorry Tony...
I finally gave in to temptation and bought Vai's new E.P., "Alien Love
Secrets", and I have to say, It's one of the best discs I've heard recently
(and I've heard quite a few, being the metal director at WMHD).
The coolest thing (at least for me) is his range of mimicked sounds... I mean,
the disc starts off with that part from crossroads where Jack Butler makes the
train talk, then later in that same song he does a horse's whinny, which sounds
incredibly real. Then there's the song that was mentioned by someone on the
list not to long ago, "Ya-Yo Gakk", which features his son (his _young_ son)
Julian on vocals; Julian and Steve do an echo sort of thing, where Julian will
sing a line and Steve will mimick what Julian just sang, and they'll go back
and forth. After this song is "Kill the Guy With the Ball", which opens with
what Vai calls "Venusian Vocals", which consist of his guitar, whammy bar,
whammy pedal, Eventide harmonizer, heavy EQ, his left foot, and other stuff
that I maybe forgot. But anyways, this sounds the most like a human voice that
I have ever heard a guitar sound....
I don't know... I am easily impressed by gutarists, so maybe I am completely
wrong when I say this, but I think this disc contains some of Steve's best
guitar playing yet.
Stephen
P.S. to anyone who has both "Passion and Warfare" and "Sex and Religion":
I just noticed while typing this and listening to P&W that the music on the
song "Answers" under where the guy is saying "I cannot be ungrateful for what I
have recieved from America..." sounds like a melody from somewhere on S&R...
can anyone I.D. this?
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 13:38:30 +0800
From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: No prob with Tim (was Re: WARNING! TIM LODGE SUCKS!)
Message-ID: <9504082038.AA18170@anthor.arastar.com>
> From: alfredo.cappello@galactica.it (ALFREDO CAPPELLO)
> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
> Subject: WARNING! TIM LODGE SUCKS!
>
> I'm really sad, but I must tell to everyone from this
> Mailing List to keep away from Tim Lodge (e-mail address:
> Lodge_Tim@csusys.ctstateu.edu) he sells some CDs (like
> the first Portnoy Band, Majesty Demos, and Instrumental).
did you try contacting him before posting this to the mailing list?
He may have sent the CDs to you and they may have been trapped in
snailmail hell.
As I remember, I received my CD from Tim within a week. No problems,
no hassle.
-- Ken Bibb "Upon a wave of summer kbibb@arastar.com A hilltop paved with gold jester@crash.cts.com We shut our eyes and make the promises we hold" David Sylvian--"Wave"------------------------------
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 13:26:17 PDT From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: THE DETERIORATION OF THE YTSE JAM LIST Message-ID: <199504082026.NAA01805@netcom6.netcom.com>
Perhaps this thread should be taken to e-mail... This isn't alt.flame... and it shouldn't be alt.flame...
Let's keep the list free of this kinda stuff eh!
-The Doc
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 16:51:05 -0500 From: Edward.C.Hurst@cc.gettysburg.edu To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: THE DETERIORATION OF THE YTSE JAM LIST Message-ID: <9504082045.AA15102@popserver.jr.cc.gettysburg.edu>
>This is directed to that "cool" asshole who calls himself Slick Doggy Shit or >some shit like >that. What kind of shithead posts on the DREAM THEATER list with references >to some high >quality lyrical genius rap asshole like Snoop Doggy Dog? I think you're the >one, pal who should >get off this list. Also, I think its cool to say shit like 'oh I went to >college too, so >therefore I'm cooler than you are, Frank' and to say that I suck just because >you assholes don't >appreciate Type O. Dude, I was wondering if it was possible to like talk >about Dream Theater on >the list here, instead of other non DT related shit that you assholes keep >bringing up. > > >Oh and special thanks to the jerk who informed us of his coolness by listing >the many shows he >has allegedly attended. I forget who it is but shut your mouth asshole, I >really don't give a >shit. Were you there at the Japan show with me? I highly doubt it shithead. > >By the way, please direct any responses to me directly, and don't waste >fucking space on the >jammer board. Also, please note that this is a jammer board, so all you >assholes who think you >guys are cool, just get the hell off, we don't need your pathetic shit. > > FRANK (cashmadb@cleo.bc.edu)
It's good to hear from the ever-eloquent Frank again, with (as usual) his intellectually-stimulating discourse, thought-provoking yet biting witticisms, and his head firmly up his ass!
Ed
All that I feel is Honor and Spite And all I can do is to set it right. Dream Theater 'Pull Me Under'
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 16:21:56 +0000 From: "Jamie Burks" <jburks@pcs.MV.COM> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 776 Message-ID: <199504082125.RAA15530@mv.mv.com>
> Does anyone else out there sing? Please give me some input as to >your thoughts on JLaB's voice. Thanks. > > Pawly > pawly@eden.rutgers.edu
I sing and really enjoy listening to James. He has one of the best, IMHO, "power" voices in prog. today. I like he and Geoff Tate (QR) about the same. What is great about these guys is that they can be singing the most beautiful melodies and right in the middle of it rip into a line that makes your hair stand on end! Hows this for a vocal power trio James Labrie, Geoff Tate, and Freddie Mercury (I know he's dead but I can think about it can't I?). ------------------------------------------------------------------ Time is precious, I've not a moment I can waste Each day I take from the future I add to my past "Horizons" - Divine Regale
"...the voice of reason against the howling mob" "Nobodys Hero" - Rush Jamie Burks - jburks@pcs.mv.com ------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 17:32:42 -0400 From: jforte@acl.nyit.edu To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Deterioration of the Ytsejam List Message-ID: <95040817324248@acl.nyit.edu>
<Lots of garbage from Frank deleted>
Listen...and i think i speak for a lot of people when i tell you this..i dont think you should be telling anyone to get off this list...you're not exactly the most popular right now. Youre telling us not to clutter up the mailing list?!?! The last two or three posts from you have been a complete waste of space.
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 17:38:46 -0400 From: jforte@acl.nyit.edu To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Black Jester Message-ID: <95040817384638@acl.nyit.edu>
Anyone know where I can find Black Jesters album "Welcome to the Moonlight Circus". Ive heard they are a lot like Dream Theater...very WDADUish. If anyone has the album or heard the music and can tell me what it is like could you post or better yet e-mail me. Thanks.
JEFF jforte@acl.nyit.edu
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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 95 18:10:40 EST From: "Brian J. Wherry" <WB81%LAFAYACS.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu> To: <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: 1995 Japan video and whatnot. Message-ID: <08APR95.19632070.0021.MUSIC@LAFAYACS>
Hi everybody!
I just finished watching the pay per view show from Japan (I just got it today), and it's, well -- AWESOME!!! First some Japanese record executives present the boys (except Derek) with platinum Awake discs backstage. Then they show everyone in the auditorium (pretty big place) for a while. Then the lights go out . . . . WAKE UP! (it gives me chills every time!) They played (if I can remember correctly) PMU, 6:00, TtT, LSoaD, The Mirror, Lie, CiaW, Another Day, AMBI (is that the right abbreviation for it?), and Metropolis. Plus there were some extras like the new Mirror intro, a key solo, a JP solo, a JM birthday party, etc.. I'm gonna go watch it again! Sorry everyone, I don't have the equipment to dub for trades, but you can get a copy from this guy named Allan (he does a lot of video-related stuff). I'll post his email address in a little bit.
Whoever thought that Wait for Sleep is in *melodic* minor: What made you think that? There isn't a D# in the entire tune, or a C#, for that matter.
I'm listening to the new Steve Vai EP right now. Very impressive. (Typical Vai precision and cleanliness, plus some heavier stuff.)
I was going to respond to something else, but knowing my memory . . .
Later 'jammers!
Brian
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 18:14:36 -0400 (EDT) From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: WARNING! TIM LODGE SUCKS! Message-ID: <AjVkfAi00YUzMLHV0n@andrew.cmu.edu>
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i've traded with tim several times and never had any problems. he's a good trader, i doubt its his fault.
but you sleep like a ghost with me -william bajzek- come to my madness its as simple as that -http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu- my opium den so tell me i'm mad -/u/wb2a/home--/cdsale-/reviews- come to my madness roll me up and breathe me in -guitars,aepithex- make sense of it again
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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 95 18:16:08 EST From: "Brian J. Wherry" <WB81%LAFAYACS.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu> To: <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Video info. Message-ID: <08APR95.19730564.0021.MUSIC@LAFAYACS>
To get a copy of the 1995 Japanese pay per view show, mail Allan at:
And I'm sorry about posting all this stuff if everyone already has it and knows everything I said. I'm just soooo excited!!
Brian
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 22:19:04 -0400 (EDT) From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Black Jester Message-ID: <QjVoEM_00YUzAStJY7@andrew.cmu.edu>
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the music is very wdadu/yngwie-ish, very exciting and crisp and arty. progressive records international is the cheapest source, i lost there address though. but they're very slow and they dont even answer their phones and they're very annoying. its on the wmms label, cdeurope.com has the albums but terribly high prices.
but you sleep like a ghost with me -william bajzek- come to my madness its as simple as that -http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu- my opium den so tell me i'm mad -/u/wb2a/home--/cdsale-/reviews- come to my madness roll me up and breathe me in -guitars,aepithex- make sense of it again
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 20:42:34 -0400 (EDT) From: jbako01 <jbako01@barney.poly.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: WARNING! TIM LODGE SUCKS! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950408204055.20957B-100000@barney>
On Sat, 8 Apr 1995, ALFREDO CAPPELLO wrote:
> Tim Lodge Sucks. > > a really sad italian trader > Alfredo
hmmm. I've traded with him a couple of times, and they both worked out well. I have yet to have problems with him, and would definitely trade again.
James Bako jbako01@barney.poly.edu Polytechnic University Brooklyn, New York
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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 1995 22:23:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 777 Message-ID: <01HP41GK9G5U0017ZX@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
>Because I'm a jerk who knows too much music theory I have to respond to >this. Either the song is in G major or E minor (aeolian) or B phrygian. It >can't be all three (unless it changes from one to another) and there's no >such thing as E minor with a B phrygian feel. Modes are a wierd thing. You >can't mix them if they all have the same key sig. > > >Marc Respass >mer@sol.iii.net
actually, there are many other possibilities and you can mix modes! there is a style of modern music called Pandiatonic in which all the notes of a diatonic scale are considered to fit together and any combination is an acceptable chord...this kind of music is not in a particular key, it sounds more like a blending of different keys...it often sounds as if there are two or three tonics...i know this exists because ive studied in school and written several sounds using this concept...i personally believe that some alternative music (not Green Day ;) is pandiatonic...this is why i find it interesting...other possibilities for music include Polytonal in which you literally have some parts in one key and other parts in another key, and yet more parts in a third key, etc....another interesting concept by an author i read is pantonality... weird stuff...
i would agree that within the domains of pandiatonism, it is possible to have E minor with a B phrygian feel...perhaps most of the time the tonic sounds like E but often will breifly sound like B instead....however, it is my personal opinion that Wait For Sleep is in a minor key...i will take another listen though....
you wont find these concepts in freshman or possibly even sophmore music theory but the idea that something "has to be either G major or E minor" is too limited to describe the multitude of music which exists...
interesting thing: the piano opening of "Sun Orange, Small" on Kevin's demos sounds vaguely pandiatonic...for some real pandiatonic music, check out Gorecki's Symphony No.3 and John Rutter's Gloria, 2nd mov't...
******************************************************************************* Anthony Kozar "The Divine Spirit found a sublime outlet in Univ. of Toledo that wonder of analysis, that portent of the 1042 Acad. Ctr. ideal world, that amphibian between being akozar@UofT02.utoledo.edu and not-being, which we call the imaginary http://www.utoledo.edu/~akozar/ root of negative unity." -- Leibniz
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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 95 22:34:28 EST From: "Brian J. Wherry" <WB81%LAFAYACS.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu> To: <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Correction. Message-ID: <08APR95.24380628.0018.MUSIC@LAFAYACS>
Sorry Mark Respass for blatantly correcting your WFS key idea. You got it right this time!! :)
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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 95 22:37:21 EST From: "Brian J. Wherry" <WB81%LAFAYACS.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu> To: <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Oberheim. Message-ID: <08APR95.24432375.0018.MUSIC@LAFAYACS>
In the Japan video there's a camera angle in which the backs of all of Derek's keyboards can be seen. The bottom one is an Oberheim (spelling?). It's not black like most keyboards are. It's like grey or white. Is that the one he was endorsing?
Brian
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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 1995 22:56:43 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Lifeson <TRMD@grove.iup.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: progressive? Message-ID: <01HP42NX5L0I91WNXJ@grove.iup.edu>
William Wright wrote:
>fact it's very Progressive. I'm not saying that Metropolis doesn't have some >metal riffs... they just combine Metal and Progressive very well. Still, >they have some flaws... some inparticular are Another Day, Surrounded, >and Silent Man. Not that these aren't good, they're just not Progressive.
I think a band that does progressive songs, whether they are all progressive or not,are still considered progressive bands.Look at Yes and Rush. These two bands have written their share of 'non-progressive' songs. Owner of a Lonely Heart? Closer to the Heart? Stick it Out? Especially over the past few years, these two bands have been writing more pop-oriented songs. But does that change the genre of the band? I don't think so. Either you are a prog band...or you're not. It's as simple as that. There is no 'Semi-Progressive' band, capitals or not. And as for Another Day, Surounded and The Silent Man not being progressive...How many -non-progressive' songs have a natural time signature of 5/4? How about time sigs of 5/8 5/8 5/8 4/8? Or the chord progressions in the bridge of The Silent Man? I could count them on my fingers. 0. Proving that even though these may be more 'pop-oriented', they are still progressive, and Dream Theater is a progressive band, not 'semi-progressive.' I hope that clears up a few thanks. Sorry for the length. Thank God baseball's back, eh? Go Kirby Puckett!!!! briaN M eichorN
PS - How about THAT one, Stahl????
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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 1995 23:04:25 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Lifeson <TRMD@grove.iup.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: sorry to post again, but Message-ID: <01HP43B2K3OU91WNXJ@grove.iup.edu>
I would just like to clarify what I said about Greenday the other day. I don't like the group whatsoever, I was just trying to proove that a band doesn't have to write every song in 16/9, and in a Lydian. Progressive bands write songs in all different forms, and I didnt' say that Greenday was progressive. Just trying to clarify what makes a band progressive. Thanks
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 23:42:19 -0400 (EDT) From: SGA/POLITICAL SCIENCE '95/MACLAB <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: ALFREDO YOU BITE! Message-ID: <950408234219.2042468b@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>
In refernce to Alfredo from Italy 's posting re: TIM LODGE SUCKS!
We did work out a deal for a couple of cd's in a trade and I *DID* email him like twice to inform him of the delay...but *yes* the cd's are out in the snailmail.
Thanks for the good word Ken!
I don't think Alfredo gets all of his email. i certainly did respond to him when he asked about the cd's.
Tim
ps: i am watching the "PETRUCCI @ SUMMER GUITAR WORKSHOP video" and it rules! Hey Its like hours of learning from the GOD and hearing him rip lick after lick!!!!
Any questions, email me! Thanks.
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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 1995 23:48:13 EDT From: YBBX10C@prodigy.com (MISS JAIME K KIMPTON) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 777 Message-ID: <013.05298260.YBBX10C@prodigy.com>
Some responses to various posts...
Paul Cashman: >heck, it was $20 I got mine for free from my Japanese penpal who was also _at_ the show. Of course, I also paid her $25 for the Japanese CD of Awake. :}
Eddie Ju: >does anyone know if Myung's of Korean or Chinese descent? More likely Vietnamese, given his last name - there's a general pattern between Oriental surnames and country of origin. You'd really have to ask him, though - that's just my guess.
Eric (esa2@cornell.edu) Peter Steele is 6'6", not 7'. Still pretty damn big, though. I wanted to see Type O Negative in Hampton, VA, in September but couldn't make it. I ended up in a flame war over on Prodigy with one hypocritical little shit who had only seen the video for "Christian Woman" and declaring that they were nothing but satanic bullshit, to which I respectfully objected, and he started in on me about how he doesn't want to hear about that satanic bullshit that makes fun of his religion and basically acting like he had a ten foot pole shoved up his ass. I will agree - if you ONLY like progressive, you won't like Type O. Very gothic, dark, mistakenly referred to as misogynistic, extremely sarcastic. I would recommend the Bloody Kisses digipak (with "Suspended In Dusk") as opposed to the original CD; the former is much better. IMO. <G> I don't have a problem with someone dissing DT or any of my other favorite bands - provided the person has adequate justification and discuss it without turning into an asshole about it. There is a MAJOR problem with sloppyjoe69 type people on the P* bulletin boards.
BTW, I'm switching to AOL next month, I'll post my new address soon as everything's settled. Jaime the Dragon
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 23:34:19 -0500 (CDT) From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Ytsejam #776 Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9504082347.A27773-0100000@galaxy.galstar.com>
> 2. Pawly: I sing on occasion, but I'm not in a band or anything. It's > funny, most people have written that driving while listening to Dream > Theater is dangerous because they unknowingly speed! I'm too busy singing > along with the vocals to really get into the double bass or the chugging > riffage!
heh... I try to get all the drum parts, the vocals, and when there are no vocals, the multiple instruments! :) although I can't do drums, bass pedals, and vocals at the same time! Well... for one I don't know the bass pedal lines. > > Anyway, my opinion of James' voice is a civilian one, since I'm not > vocally trained and I've never sang in a performance-type situation. I, > like you, put LaBrie up there with Jose Carreras and Luciano Pavarotti.
I really don't think so...If James were as good as Pavarotti he wouldn't be singing rock. and we wouldn't be cracking the high notes live.
> His voice not only sounds good (I mean the actual sound), but he's got the > most kickass vibrato and range in the business! (rock music that is) One > could call his voice "noteworthy." (pun intended)
I can think of many more original and better singers than James. For one, Geoff Tate. Most everyone is familar with him, and he is much much more natural sounding than James. James seems to force the high notes sometimes, Geoff doesn't seem too. Although I'm not a trained singer here either, so I really don't have any idea what I'l talking about.
But in terms of originality, I'd say Peter Gabriel gets the award. It's not just his great singing ability, it's his whole stage presence, and his use of different accents. He sort of tells a story while singing and he uses different voices if need be. Other great singers include Jon Anderson (he can go quite high. but from what I've heard of him, I can always match his pitch) Phil Collins (he WAS good at least) Ian Anderson (another really original singer) and the guys from Echolyn (all three of them. They really complement each other and are great at harmonizing.) I mean, James's studio work is great. But in terms of originality, range, and stage presence, he's beat by other people.
And either way, you can't really compare Pavarotti to LeBrie. they sing in totally different octaves most of the time.
> > You mentioned the act of holding a high E or F for 15 seconds. The longest > one James has recorded is in Metropolis, timing in at just under 9 > seconds. That's impressive, and 15 seconds would be even more impressive, > but now that you've brought it up, and since you asked about singers on > the Ytsejams, I feel I have to comment. The only "nutshell" description I > could give you of my vocal ability (what little of it there is!) is the > holding of the long note in Metropolis, "I'm asleep yet I'm so > afraaaaaaaaaaaaid," for 23 seconds. But don't expect me to talk > afterwards, 'cause it can leave me out of breath! I can also hit the high
Hmm... I've never timed to see how long I can hold out that part. I guess I'll try it right now! :) woah... only about 15 seconds. phew.... course I wasn't really warmed up.
> notes near the end of "Learning To Live," a la "Whoah-ahh-HAAAAAAAAOW!" > Now if I could just find a vocal trainer and unlock the mystery of Natural > Vibrato...
I don't know... Vibrato just comes really easily to me. (I think. Actaully I don't really know. Maybe I SUCK at vibrato, I really don't have anything to compare it to and I don't know anyone who could judge it for me.)
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 19:39:28 -0400 From: JennieBear@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Miscellany Message-ID: <950408193925_76592479@aol.com>
Dream Theater PR: I think my husband is on the ultimate DT PR kick... Between Ytsejam and concert wear, we have many articles of Dream Theater clothing, but I still have to fight him for a t-shirt sometimes. <g>
Anyhow, the other day we were leaving the parking lot of Downtown Plaza, and the lot attendant sees my hubby's shirt. "Hey, where'd you get that?" he asks. Keith just grins and says, "A concert." Turns out the guy's a fan as well...
Keith's also campaigning for 93 Rock to play more Dream Theater. The station was doing a live remote from a local Tower store during a "beat the box office" event for Q'ryche tix... So, of course, he goes over to make a playlist suggestion (meanwhile, I'm in a sea of testosterone, holding our place in line). Personally, I've never heard anything other than "Pull Me Under," but the DJ claimed that they've played new DT stuff, but it wasn't welcomed the way PMU is! :( (Am I listening at the wrong hours or something?) I guess Keith convinced one of the guys to give "Awake" a chance and listen to it in its entirety before deciding to boot it out of the playlist...
Queensryche: Yay! I have tickets! We stood in line long enough to hear PL *two* times, but it was worth it to get them a day ahead of the general public...
Echolyn: While we were at Tower, of course we had to make a purchase. <g> We each picked a selection - mine was "As the World" by Echolyn. Is it just me, or do a couple of the songs sound like Danny Elfman? I thought that was odd, but, then, I've only listened to it once thus far. [Jeff, if you're reading this, please write to me! :) What's the deal on the tape?]
Jaime: Regarding the comment about Vanyel/Lackey: check the sig. If you're a fan, I'm surprised you didn't notice it before. <g>
Jen
-- "Could we see clearer in a virtual reality?" - Magellan "I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensryche
jenniebear@aol.com kethry@netcom.com
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Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 00:03:29 +0800 From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: I erased the last jam digest someone forward it to me Message-ID: <9504090703.AA20793@anthor.arastar.com>
> From: rinverso@cosi.stockton.edu (Ryan Inverso) > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> > Subject: I erased the last jam digest someone forward it to me > > If someone could forward them to me I would appriciate it.
They are also available by sending:
get ytsejam ytsejam.777 get ytsejam ytsejam.776
to ytsejam-request@arastar.com with a subject of "asdf".
Note that the address is *not* the list address and that "ytsejam" is listed twice per request (the first one is the name of the archive ("ytsejam"), the second is the name of the file ("ytsejam.777")).
-- Ken Bibb "Upon a wave of summer kbibb@arastar.com A hilltop paved with gold jester@crash.cts.com We shut our eyes and make the promises we hold" David Sylvian--"Wave"
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Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 00:23:10 +0800 From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: myung ancestry Message-ID: <9504090723.AA21115@anthor.arastar.com>
> From: YBBX10C@prodigy.com (MISS JAIME K KIMPTON) > > Eddie Ju: > >does anyone know if Myung's of Korean or Chinese descent? > More likely Vietnamese, given his last name - there's a general pattern > between Oriental surnames and country of origin. You'd really have to ask > him, though - that's just my guess.
I'm pretty sure that he's of Korean ancestry.
-- Ken Bibb "Upon a wave of summer kbibb@arastar.com A hilltop paved with gold jester@crash.cts.com We shut our eyes and make the promises we hold" David Sylvian--"Wave"
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Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 03:07:30 -0400 From: MattyMo@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: The Silent Man CD single Message-ID: <950409030728_76902200@aol.com>
>>> I just found a copy of the German version of "The Silent Man" CD single after months of searching high and low for any DT singles! For those unaware of it, it has two bonus tracks: "Take the Time" (demo version) and "Eve". The demo of Take the Time is almost note-for-note from the I&W version. However, this one sounds faster and heavier than the wimpy production you hear in the I&W version. It's a little rough at some spots but overall I like it better.<<<<
I got that one too! I like the "chorus" effect on Jame's (Kevin's) ;) voice. And also the RAW sound!! It's nice to have "Eve" too on CD with a studio version. I'm glad I found it. It was $9.99! I wish there would be more of these, but Beggars can't be choosers!! I also ordered **THE** Dance of Eternity....should be here soon!!!
Thanks...
Matt
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 19:39:02 -0400 From: JennieBear@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Tesla audition (lacking DT content) Message-ID: <950408193900_76592159@aol.com>
The following appeared in Ytsejam #744:
>I talked to a friend of mine tonight who is working on several projects >of his own...and mentioned something that some people might find >disturbing. > >******* He _might_ have an audition with Tesla. ******* > >Now, you might ask, how did this happen? > >Well, he plays in a cover band in NJ. A guy from a sound/light company >who has worked with Tesla (among others) did their sound. He was really >impressed with my friend's playing, and secretly ran a board tape of the >show, and gave it to the guys, who were impressed with Dan's playing. > >Things are up in the air right now, but, suffice it to say that he told >me that the guy he might replace was fired. He didn't remember the guy's >name, but, apparently he'd been into rehab.
Well, I'm a Sacramentan, so Tesla news is sort of a big thing here... (For those of you who don't know, Tesla came out of Sacramento, California.)
I was listening to 93 Rock this week when I heard mention of the guy. They said he's back in the band after some "health problems" (although everyone's postulating that it was due to rehab). If this is incorrect news, then blame Laura Engle (the DJ). <g>
Jen
-- "Could we see clearer in a virtual reality?" - Magellan "I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensryche
jenniebear@aol.com kethry@netcom.com
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