YTSEJAM Digest 780
Today's Topics:
1) Stop the madness!!! Awake dammit!!!
by Mats Rydstr\vm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
2) PROGRESSIVE definition
by Mats Rydstr\vm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
3) stuff...
by zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
4) Key signatures.
by "Brian J. Wherry" <WB81%LAFAYACS.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu>
5) Progressive Music: a Definition
by "John R. Kotzian" <jrkotzia@mtu.edu>
6) Beatles, etc.
by Chris_Mahaffey@ccmail.odedodea.edu
7) progressive?
by Alex Lifeson <TRMD@grove.iup.edu>
8) Re: LaBrie's Singing
by Lazarus - aka Simon Smith <sjs@st-andrews.ac.uk>
9) progressive...again
by Alex Lifeson <TRMD@grove.iup.edu>
10)
by Krysten DeBroka <kryt@expert.cc.purdue.edu>
11) Helloween and More.
by schu0173@flipper.itlabs.umn.edu (Raistlin)
12) On JLaB and Musorgsky
by "TDB" <tdb@SMTPGwy.microsim.com>
13) ATTENTION: ALFREDO CAPPELLO!
by Mike Kinstrey <kinstrmi@dso008.sch.ge.com>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 779
by Alex Skolnick <neviacka@students.uiuc.edu>
15) the complete SDV ?
by q94hg@thn.htu.se (Henrik Gustafsson)
16) Vai's new one.
by "DAVE \"The New #2\" PETERSON" <GLYDE@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
17) Re: Bang Tango. NO DT CONTENT
by stern.35@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Stern)
18) CD ARE HERE!!!!
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
19) Ken Bibb
by John B Ashcraft <jbashcra@uncc.edu>
20) Re: On JLaB and other stuff
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
21) Re: YTSEJAM digest 778
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
22) Re: YTSEJAM digest 779
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 15:51:28 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Mats Rydstr\vm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Stop the madness!!! Awake dammit!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91N2.950410153833.5975A-100000@adverts.nada.kth.se>
Hi!
First I'd like to say many thanks to Steve Borzilleri for the info about
the other singers. Dude, you really 'took the time' to type all that in!
Great comments esp about John Arch's balls-twister-vibrato, I'm getting
into Fates Warning so I'll go and check him out! ;-)
Also thanks to 'Boo-ba Fett' for the intelligent thoughts about the
on-going flame-war. I'll try to add some thoughts to this, whether
they're intelligent or not (or even relevant) I cannot say. Please do
observe that these are MY OPINIONS!
I think that requesting for another guy to be taken off the list is about
the lowest things you can do. That shows that's it's obviously not just
his fault, if it was you could easily just ignore him, you know if you're
right! It takes always at least two to have a fight, try to be a little
more progressive-minded please. I think that while we can argue forever
whether or not DT is ((semi)(P)(p))rogressive I think that they obviously
have dominating progressive elements as well as strong metal-elements.
Although I still agree with James that it's sufficient enough to label DT
as a hard-rock band, (from some interview I read on the net). And well
maybe a progressive hard-rock band.
I don't think that either of the flamers NEED to get off the list, what
they need is to calm down and think. If they do so, and lurk around for
acouple of weeks they will hopefully mature, and then hopefully also
contribute with some real stuff, not just this flame-crap.
If we're all fans of DT and music that relates in any other way, why can't we
be a little more open to new/different stuff? I though this kind of narrow-
mindedness was just for the regular 'metal', 'pop' etc-people, but I've
also noticed frightening close-mindedness in the progressive-music
circles, esp alt.music.progressive. While listening to DT you will hear
lots of different sounds and styles and while not liking it all you
probably like most of it at least. Why on earth would you waste your
time being on this list if you heard just one song on the radio and think
it's cool but then heard all the other DT-music and think it sucks?
After all, for one to be on a mailing-list like this should have a purpose:
a) You like the band a lot!
b) You're getting into a band that seems interesting and want more info!
and NOT
c) You get off on posting silly flames
I don't mind reading about other bands, technical stuff etc etc but I do
mind when supposedly grown-up people can't have an argument without wanting to
kill each other. It's definately the wrong mentality. I know that many
people have a hard time with their lives and the shit we all go through
but the solution is not to bang some 'innocent' fellow Ytsejammer. You
might have had some tought times in your life but music is a great thing
to help you cope with these feelings, not to get you on to more bad shit.
You must learn to master your bad self and sometimes swallow your pride,
it's not the most important thing on earth to be right all the time!
Hell, I've seen lots of stupid posts on this list (some of them were my
own) but I tent to read the whole digest through before responding, that
way you'll calm down and think twice.
DT is my favourite band, that's why I'm on this list. That doesn't stop
me from liking lots of other bands as well of lots of different styles.
I very rarely say that something sucks, without backing it up in some
way. I admit that I think Green Day/Nirvana/etc are not the most
technically gifted musicians, nor do they or most of their fans think
that. I also admit that I don't LIKE them very much, but I don't say
that they suck! Nirvana has done some fine songs and meant a lot to alot
of people so just saying that they suck is plain silly.
I can send you flamers a list of my fave and non-fave bands so that you can
all tell me I'm so stupid and silly for listening to this and that.
BTW, I like Type O Negative, but not asmuch as a like DT or perhaps King
Crimson or Soundgarden. Therefore I'm not cluttering up the TON
mailing-list with posts saying that DT, KC, Soundgarden etc sucks!
Ooooops, another looooong post!
PLEASE, STOP THIS FLAME-WAR SOON!
I'm into preaching-mode today!!!
/Mats - (preach on brother...:-))
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/ Mats Rydstrom - d94-mry@nada.kth.se - http://www.nada.kth.se/~d94-mry /
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/ "We can hope for the future, though there may not be one" - ACOS /
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 16:20:23 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Mats Rydstr\vm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: PROGRESSIVE definition
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91N2.950410155201.5975B-100000@adverts.nada.kth.se>
William Wright (I hope!) wrote:
> Well... there's a few Soundgarden songs I can think of, one which was a
> mega-hit. Not that I like Soundgarden, I was just amazed when I heard one
> of their songs in 5/4. But really just because a band uses 5/4 or 4/8
> once in a while doesn't mean they're progressive. No where near it.
Well, I can name Soundgarden songs in both 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 13 /8 and
with odd tunings, odd harmonies, odd lyrics!, odd whatevers but I don't
feel that any of those parts alone make a 'progressive' band.
Progressive music doesn't need any of those in fact! Progressive music
is music that does things mostly in new ways, why progressive-music is so
closely connected with odd-time-sigs is mainly because when progressive
rock emerged that WAS a new way. Most other music was in 4/4. I think
William is right on most spots! However I like Soundgarden a lot and I
would almost classify Soundgarden as progressive because they do
things in new ways. Or maybe partially progressive, a new term for you
all :-) By using this nomenclature DT would also be partially
progressive, perhaps the partition would be bigger than for Soundgarden.
However I think this debate is getting out of hand. I'd rather use the
following way of viewing things:
Nowadays 'PROGRESSIVE' is misused so much exactly in the same way as the
politics-term 'CONSERVATIVE'. Both 'conservative' and 'progressive' are
used to describe a certain brand or fashion of whatever. 'Conservative'
mostly means right-wing, and has really nothing to do with the actual
conservativeness of it all. What do you call a right-wing party with
ambitions to change things around, ruling a country led by Socialists for
50 years? Are they 'conservative'? By common nomenclature, YES, but by
looking objectively on it all, you'll see that they're not conservative
cause they wan't to change! The same misuse of words exist in
progressive music. Once upon a time there were bands like YES, RUSH,
ELP..... that were called 'Progressive' because they did things in a new
way. The misuse of the word happens when one defines them as being
'progressive' nowadays. IMO they're now just making music and are not
progressive anymore, (ok, they're doing stuff in a way that is maybe new
to them :-)). Nowadays there are other bands that do new stuff, ie are
'progressive'. I don't say that modern day RUSH is not great, cause I
think it is great. (CP is one of my fave Rush-albums, because of the
good songs, but it's not on-the-edge-progressive. I'd rather not voice my
opinion on modern day ELP, GENESIS or YES! :-))
Ergo: I'd like to see both words as describing the actual meaning of the
word. 'Progressive' should be used as describing new, daring,
interesting, ground-breaking music and not just as an old tag to label
classic symphonic bands that happened 20 years ago.
----Whoa, two long posts in one day! But, what's wrong with that?
/Mats
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:58:05 -0400 (EDT) From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: stuff... Message-ID: <199504101658.MAA22715@umbc9.umbc.edu>
Good Morning, Ytse Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam!!! <wasn't that a movie? :P>
Ok, new rule: No "Gump-isms" on the mailing list, Ok? :)
Ok, I'm a singer, like many jammers I'm noticing, and I feel that I need to leap to JLaB's defense. Let me preface this by saying that I do not place him at the same skill level as Pavarotti, as I know no one on the list does. But, one need only listen to I&W to hear how great he really is. He is as clean as can be, and while he may not have the rich timbre that Pav. does, you should have heard him when he was James's age <about 31? 32?> I've heard Pav."crack like an adolescent" in his younger days, and when he's trying to hit a B.
Another reason that James has a more difficult time performing is because of the sound level on stage. Even though Pav. and the guys have a full orchestra blaring behind them, that is nothing compared to Mike Portnoy's demonic drums, as well as the guitar and bass cabs. I know singers are not really supposed to depend on the monitors and go by the 'feel' of the voice, anyone who's tried to sing on stage when all you can hear is the roar of some guitar wuss's Marshall <or Fender, or Boogie...> knows that it's difficult. Orchestral music is written w/ a "dip" in the frequency at around 1-2kHz in order to acc- ommodate a singer. This is how opera singers made a living before there were PA's or microphones. All you sound and music guys, feel free to back me up or shoot me down on this; I know you will.
Hey, anyone who's interested in one of the three tenor's takes on a DT song, I do "Jose Carreras Sings DT's Pull Me Under" <Master of the English language that Carreras is.> Ever heard his "Memory?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < "...Thought disorder; ___ ___ ___ _ _ ___ ___ "Balls and chunk is > < Dream control. Now | __||_ _|| __|| V || __| |_ | where it's at." > < they read my mind on |__ | | | | __| \ / | __| / / --Mike Portnoy, LiT > < the radio...But where|___| |_| |___| V |___| |___|"I think SpontanUity!" > < was the Garden of Eden?" szebro1@gl.umbc.edu --John Petrucci, X103 > < --John Petrucci, Voices Radio Show > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 10:31:17 EST From: "Brian J. Wherry" <WB81%LAFAYACS.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu> To: <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Key signatures. Message-ID: <10APR95.11363291.0028.MUSIC@LAFAYACS>
Alex Lifeson (yeah, right),
Ok, ascending there's a C# and a D# in the melodic minor scale. But what the hell does that have to do with WFS? Pretend you're looking at the music for WFS. Got it? The key signature would have an F#, implying it's G major or E minor. What makes you want to say it's melodic minor? There's not C# or a D# in the entire tune! One could say it's in B phrygian, I guess (maybe because the B is accented) or hypoaeolian, but MELODIC MINOR?? I'm an engineer, and I know that's silly!!
Look before you leap? Cute. I've looked. I've leaped. Sort it out.
John Petrucci
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 10:35:15 EDT From: "John R. Kotzian" <jrkotzia@mtu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Progressive Music: a Definition Message-ID: <199504101435.KAA17269@pace1.cts.mtu.edu>
The way one of my music instructors defined "Progressive" music, was when certain musicians take a style of music that has traditional, almost sacred chord patterns and time sig's and the like, then decides to take it a step further by embelishing it with obscure chords, different time sig's, generally "progressing" that particular style of music along.
Having said this, she was saying that any style of music can be "Progressed". She gave, for example, Gospel music. there is the old traditional Gospel and now there is a progressive form, i.e. Take 6.
Well, that's my 2 cents on the subject. Later.
-John
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 10:43:22 EST From: Chris_Mahaffey@ccmail.odedodea.edu To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Beatles, etc. Message-ID: <9503107975.AA797535802@ccmail.odedodea.edu>
I tried posting this before without any luck - so if any of you have seen this before, my apologies...
Anyway, I just got a copy of the Dream Out Loud tape, and was listening to it with a friend of mine. We were listening to To Live Forever, and she commented that Petrucci was playing some Beatles stuff. I forgot the name of the song but she was singing along as Petrucci was playing. Anyone know/comment about this? About singers, what does everyone think of Lou Gramm? I don't know if he would fit w/ DT (doubt it) but the man does have one of the best voices out there. Lastly, if anyone has a boot from the Awake tour, please let me know...All I can offer, unfortunately, is the two tape for one bit. Again, my apologies if this has appeared twice...
Thanks, Chris
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 10:46:45 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Lifeson <TRMD@grove.iup.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: progressive? Message-ID: <01HP6638ZJNM91WP1O@grove.iup.edu>
Brian Nielsen wrote: >The only thing one can conclude from this is that YOUR definition of >progressive music is the use of non-standard time signatures.
Actually, I was just trying to seperate TSM, Surrounded and songs such as that from 'pop' songs. I mentioned other things, such as chord progressions, and there are MAYN other progressive elements in these songs, I was just mentioning one to give an example. And, yes, peoples deifnition of progressive will differ, but I still say that a band is either progressive, or not progressive. Not inbetween. And that is the point that I was trying to make. briaN
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 15:39:20 +0100 (BST) From: Lazarus - aka Simon Smith <sjs@st-andrews.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: LaBrie's Singing Message-ID: <Pine.3.87.9504101518.A9837-0100000@pasta>
William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com> wrote: > > I can think of many more original and better singers than James. For one, > Geoff Tate. Most everyone is familar with him, and he is much much more > natural sounding than James. James seems to force the high notes > sometimes, Geoff doesn't seem too. Although I'm not a trained singer here > either, so I really don't have any idea what I'l talking about.
IMHO, Geoff _used_ to not have to force the high notes. Nowadays, he's not as polished. Just compare the early QR stuff to Promised Land. This is true even more so live. When I saw QR in Glasgow a few weeks back, Geoff was struggling in places (especially on Someone Else). They still put on a damn good show though and considering it was the first night of the world tour, they can probably be forgiven for slight imperfections....
I also prefer James' voice, if only for the extra power he has over Geoff.
> > > > You mentioned the act of holding a high E or F for 15 seconds. The longest > > one James has recorded is in Metropolis, timing in at just under 9 > > seconds. That's impressive, and 15 seconds would be even more impressive, > > but now that you've brought it up, and since you asked about singers on > > the Ytsejams, I feel I have to comment. The only "nutshell" description I > > could give you of my vocal ability (what little of it there is!) is the > > holding of the long note in Metropolis, "I'm asleep yet I'm so > > afraaaaaaaaaaaaid," for 23 seconds. But don't expect me to talk > > afterwards, 'cause it can leave me out of breath! I can also hit the high > > Hmm... I've never timed to see how long I can hold out that part. I guess > I'll try it right now! :) woah... only about 15 seconds. phew.... course > I wasn't really warmed up.
Try holding the "Running low...." at the start of Iron Maiden's "Hallowed Be Thy Name". I can just make it, but then I'm only a backing vocalist and make no claims as to being able to sing! Anbody else got any challenging vocal lines that they find hard to hold? Maybe you could have a contest at the Ytsecon :)
Lazarus
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:06:45 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Lifeson <TRMD@grove.iup.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: progressive...again Message-ID: <01HP66CJIK2W91WP1O@grove.iup.edu>
William Wright wrote: >they Do have Progressive songs too. What you have to remember is that some >(most) Progressive music is some WEIRD shit. REALLY REALLY WEIRD.
So your arguement as to what progressive is is that it is "REALLY REALLY WEIRD" C'mon, you can do better than that!!!! When I said that the time signatures were 5/4 and 5/8, or what have you, at least that's a solid point, not just...something WEIRD! And what I was saying about how time sigs define what progressive is, I was giving an exaple as to what (P)progressive can be considered. There are many, many things that make progressive what it is, and I was just trying to give examples of what it could be.
>of their songs in 5/4. But really just because a band uses 5/4 or 4/8 >once in a while doesn't meaen they're progressive. No where near it. Now >if Surrounded was in 17/16 or 13/4, I would say, Yeah it's >Semi-Progressive,
1. Read above on what I meant about time sigs. 2. If 5/4 or 4/8 doesn't make a band progressive, how can 17/6 or 13/4 make it semi-progressive. First you say time sigs don't matter, then you say it depends which time sig. Hmmmm, are you just making this up without thinking? Doesn't make sense. Try again next time...
>I've had a discussion about this with a guy who KNOWS whtat he's talking >about. He has 1400 progressive albums. I told him I think Dream Theater >is Progressive and he said well ony a bit.
Hmmm, so you consider this guy a PROFESSIONAL prog listener. Whatever, considering I STILL don't understand what your definition of prog is. I may only consider 5 of his 1400 album prog, so I wouldn't really say that he knows what he's talking about. He MIGHT, but might not. I could talk to a guy who has 0 progressive albums, and he might be able to explain it better. Anyhow, I still see no solid proof of what you're saying prog is. Until next time... braiN "sorry so long" eichorN
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:06:55 -0500 (EST) From: Krysten DeBroka <kryt@expert.cc.purdue.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Message-ID: <199504101706.MAA05050@expert.cc.purdue.edu>
<cohen.132@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> said: > P.S. Anyone else out there in columbus, maybe we could have a convention > too! Oh, and by the way, Babs rules! > > -Steve (the friend of Jeff, the guy from Columbus)
Well, I've already posted a few times about us Midwesterners getting together to road trip to Long Island. So far we are having trouble finding a car, but something might come up. Let me kno if you are interested.
---Kryt
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Someone once told me that time is a predator that stalks us all our lives. But maybe time is also a companion who goes with us on our journey, and reminds us to cherish the moments of our lives because they will never come again. We are, after all, only mortal. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard "Live for yourself, there's no one more worth living for." - Rush "Choose to chance the rapids, and dare to dance the tides." - G. Brooks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [kryt@expert.cc.purdue.edu]
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:15:42 -0500 (CDT) From: schu0173@flipper.itlabs.umn.edu (Raistlin) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Helloween and More. Message-ID: <199504101715.MAA27363@henry>
Hey all, haven't posted in a while(damn college work, gets in the way of net time). Okay, Think way back, when we were on the other favorite bands thread. Whoever suggested Helloween, THANK YOU. I hesitated to buy it because they have a dumb name, This band is great, I bought Keeper of the 7 keys Part I first, other than some dumb lyrics, a great album, Hansen is a great vocalist, This had replaced Awake as my current favorite CD. Then I bought the Walls of Jericho, totally differnt sound, way heavier, classic 80's metal!!! Although the singer is not as good as Hansen, I think X (X=name of singer I forgot at the moment) also is a great singer, raspier voice but for a heavier album makes sense to me. I also got their newest release, Master of the Rings, I don't know what to think of this, I do know that isn't 1/4 as good as either of the first, two,I don't like the new singer, The songs are almost pop and the whole album just looks lame(Yes I always judge albums by their covers). I guess this is what happens when almost all of the original memebers of the band are gone. Probem is I can't find their 3rd or fourth albums anywhere, Am I just getting really unlucky, or are these actually hard to find, If anyone has any info on this please me mail me. Later all, (Sorry for no DT content), Speaking of no DT content, It's in everyone's posts, I propose we abreviate it as SFNDTC, hell we might as well make it as hard as possible for newcomers to understand our posts. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Rob Schuldt schu0173@mermaid.itlabs.umn.edu | |University of Minnesota schu0173@gold.tc.umn.edu | | | | "Hope is the denial of reality." ... Raistlin | | | | "Every step brings me closer to my last." ... Dream Theater | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ~
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 09:55:23 PST From: "TDB" <tdb@SMTPGwy.microsim.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: On JLaB and Musorgsky Message-ID: <9503107975.AA797533084@SMTPGwy.microsim.com>
(Hmmm... Gotten some comments on my comment about James. Imagine what would have happened if I'd said I preferred CD's style? <g>)
Quoth Pawly: > Anyway, the reason I'm posting is in response to a man named Tim > stating something to the effect of JLaB's voice not doing anything for > you. I'm just a _little_ curious how it doesn't affect you at all. I > honestly could put him up with the likes of Pavorotti, Domingo, and > Carreras. Though the styles are VERY different, the talent is the same. > A friend of mine and I always manage to speed as we're driving along > listening to "The Mirror." At the same time, I'm singing the melody, and > he's creating some crazy harmonies. Next time you're listening to DT, > think about how challenging it is to hold a powerful E or F for 15 > seconds. Then think about James's voice again. A new viewpoint?
Actually I'd never deny that James is very talented. I was speaking from a purely subjective viewpoint. Have you ever seen someone perform who was technically excellent, but they just did nothing for you? That's simply how I feel about James. And having been engaged to a lyric coloratura soprano whose range is about an octave wider than Jame's, well, technique in and of itself doesn't blow me away any more. (And I'm not a singer: I'm a listener (and a harpist, but that's not really relevant... <g>))
As I'd said, it's a purely personal thing. Jame's immense skill isn't the relevant point. To me, his voice/style/interpretation isn't distinctive in the way, that I find the voices of Geoff Tate and Geddy Lee, for example. Also, where I am in life has a lot to do with it. There is music that I couldn't stand ten years ago that I intensely listen to now, and vice versa.
Quoth Kryt: > Kinda like forcing yourself to be daring and have wild sex > in public places... Did I say that out loud?? *evil grin*
So when _are_ you coming out to California? ;->
*Ahem* (Time to change the subject. There are children reading this.)
Last Thursday, I went out to Malibu to see the Pepperdine University Community Symphony. It was pretty neat. The first part of the program was three shorter pieces, two of which featured young soloists in the prodigy category. After the intermission, they did Musorgsky's "Pictures at an Exhibition". I've always liked this piece, and seeing it live is _so_ much better that listening to a recording. Very intense.
Later,
-- Tim
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 13:34:30 -0400 From: Mike Kinstrey <kinstrmi@dso008.sch.ge.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: ATTENTION: ALFREDO CAPPELLO! Message-ID: <199504101734.NAA18280@ns.ge.com>
Sorry for the non-ytsejam content and wasted bandwidth, folks, but hopefully this will work...
Alfredo,
I've sent you email, yet again, about the ESP guitar you were looking for, and you still haven't responded. I know you get this list, so you are receiving email, so respond back to this list to let me know whether you ever got my email.
Mike
__________________________________________________________________________ Mike Kinstrey (518)385-8214 "...like Houston. It's 180 degrees, kinstrmi@gnes02.sch.ge.com but it's a dry heat." kinstrmi@phecda.crd.ge.com - "Space-Dye Vest", Dream Theater __________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 13:33:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Alex Skolnick <neviacka@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 779 Message-ID: <Pine.Sola.3.91.950410133041.25280A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>
I was wondering...I have seen many groups in concert and one band I have never had a chance to see is Dream Theater. How are they?? How do they perform their sonfs?? I know that the whole nad is made of great musicians, do they improvise a lot?? Just wondering.
Alex Skolnick
I was told if you dream of the next world You'll find yourself swimming in a lake of fire. -Dream Theater
Trent Reznor is a great guy, but their audience sucks. -Peter Steele
Wow, This microphone smells like tuna fish!!!! -Peter Steele (Commenting on stage about playing after a lesbian dance act while touring with Nine Inch Nails and Fem 2 Fem) Shut-up, Drop the gun, and give me a pack of Tropical Fruit Bubble-licious!!! -Will Smith in the movie "Bad Boys."
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 18:59:58 +0100 From: q94hg@thn.htu.se (Henrik Gustafsson) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: the complete SDV ? Message-ID: <m0ryNZq-0000L3C@tellus.thn.htu.se>
Hello everyone !
It's a lovely day isn't it ? I'm in a really good mood, nowadays. Thank you to everyone it concerns.
I've seen in some mails the last weeks some parts of the *mumblings* of SDV. Does anyone have the complete lyrics for this song ? I mean the songlyrics plus every sampled quote ( and where they are taken from ). I would be really glad if that someone then sent them to me ( or to this list ).
Bye.
Henrik Gustafsson q94hg@thn.htu.se Dream Theater Drottninggatan 62 c 7 Q94 Toni Holgersson S-461 33 Trollha:ttan IE-91 Just D +46 (0)520-155 98 070-814 24 38 Fish
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 13:28:32 -0600 (CST) From: "DAVE \"The New #2\" PETERSON" <GLYDE@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Vai's new one. Message-ID: <01HP6B91G2QQ008B9K@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
I recently got the new Vai album, "Alien Love Secrets". I'd basically say that Steve went back to his "Passion and Warfare" roots on this one. Apparently he's more comfortable with this style of album. Basically, ALS is 33 minutes more of the same Passion and Warfare stuff. Yes, the album's about 33 minutes. =(
This is really disconserting, because "Sex and Religion" happens to be one of my fave albums. I mean, Devon Townsend, IMHO was quite an amazing acquisition. "Tracks like Survive", "Down Deep into the Pain", "Sex & Religion" and "Rescue Me or Bury Me" just friggin' rock my world. Steve seemed to fit better into this "Band" rather than going solo as he's done again now. Satch's a good solo guitarist. Vai, however, perhaps can's carry himself as well as a solo artist. Resulting in what I think was a highly successful experiment in S&R. Alas, he disagrees with me, and dropped the band. Note: This doesn't mean that Vai's not a great guitarist. It's just that maybe he's too spacy to be left out there all alone. He, I think, needs a vocalist to bring him back to earth sometimes. Satch's a little more conventional and works well without a soloist. (Please Satch! Don't sing along with your songs!!! PLEASE!!!)
The only vocals on ALS are from his toddler son, Julian in a long called "Ya-Yo Gakk". Guess what the words are? =) It's cute, but I can imagine this getting annoying after listening to it for a while.
I'm not totally knocking Vai's choice to go solo again. I mean, Passion and Warfare is a very good album. It's fun, like ALS. It's just not AMAZING like S$R. Sure the lyrics were spacy at times, but so what? Devon's a wailer! =)
Note: I can see track #2 "Juice" off of ALS becoming a single. It's very reminiscent of "I Would Love To" from P&W. Very good tracks; both of them.
I'm done now. Sorry about the lack of DT content. They still rock my CD rack!
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 13:41:01 -0500 From: stern.35@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Stern) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Bang Tango. NO DT CONTENT Message-ID: <199504101841.OAA23099@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Wow,
I can't believe there is another Bang Tango fan on here!!!! I've been trying to find out what happened to them for a year now. Please, someone, help us! Last I read (some metal magazine) over a year ago was that they had gotten rid of one guitarist and found a new one. Their album was called New Generation, i think, and was slated for January of '94 or something. What happened?
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:45:34 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: garion@indirect.com Subject: CD ARE HERE!!!! Message-ID: <199504101845.LAA19788@bud.indirect.com>
I hold in my grubby little hands a huge box of CDs! The plant has pre-recorded 100 of them, so the shipments will begin later today when I get home from work. Thank you all for your patience in this project, it looks like it will finally be a reality!
Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 14:49:03 -0400 From: John B Ashcraft <jbashcra@uncc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Ken Bibb Message-ID: <199504101849.OAA17167@unccsun.uncc.edu>
I think I spelled your name right. I would just like to say thanks. Evry time I have had a question about the list or other related lists you have always sent an answer to me. You do a great job running the ytsejam. Everyone give Ken a warnm round of applause.
Thanks again
Trey
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 14:49:40 -0400 (EDT) From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: On JLaB and other stuff Message-ID: <UjWLr4G00YUz0PP0E=@andrew.cmu.edu>
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i love james's voice, and he's a great singer but i think he may be overrated in the sense that he's not very consistent. he's awesome on the albums but live he cant do it nearly as well. it kinda bugs me, i wish they'd give that a little consideration when they write stuff just so it sounds better, is easier on his voice, and he can do it longer. i mean, i love screams and james has a cool scream. but, as with watchtower and crimson glory, i cant stand singers that never stop screaming. james shouldn't have to scream most of his lines live, i think he's hurting his voice and it gets a tad annoying and tiresome (being a bootleg collector and a fan of live music)
if james could sing live, consistently, the way he does on images and words, i cant imagine a singer that i would like better. hell, if he could sing the way he does on awake that would be pretty awesome. he sounded great at the concert i saw but upon seeing the video of it he screamed an awful lot and hit some painfully bad notes that i didnt notice at the show, or maybe just forgot about.
i've noticed recently that i listen to music in cycles. one week its mostly DT, then maybe fates, the queensryche, classical, death metal, doom metal, industrial, etc, but i almost always come back to images and words and fates' parallels. they will probably always be my favorite albums ever. i&w brings back memories of seeing them during the summer for the first time, when the music *really* hit me. and parallels reminds me of cranking it over and over again for weeks on end, helping me deal with life. i love awake although its kinda disjointed (coherent as an album, disjointed from song to song, ie too structured as verse and chorus where the parts are nearly exactly the same each time, like, ok, time to play this part, then this one...) but it lacks the undefineable thing that hit me at the concert (no, not kevin, although that's part of it...), that i&w is overflowing with. awake has the chemistry, but not as much quality, imo, as i&w. i dont think they've lost it, i think they didnt work enough on awake, either because they were eager to put it out or to tour again, or something, it just seems like they didnt spend long enough letting the ideas sink in and develop them enough. i'm not saying they slapped it together, but i think they put it together and put it out before they got a chance to let it develop to its potential
i shoulda doublespaced this
but you sleep like a ghost with me -william bajzek- come to my madness its as simple as that -http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu- my opium den so tell me i'm mad -/u/wb2a/home--/cdsale-/reviews- come to my madness roll me up and breathe me in -guitars,aepithex- make sense of it again
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 15:45:09 -0500 From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 778 Message-ID: <199504101942.PAA07809@nic.iii.net>
> a band doesn't have to write every song in 16/9, and in a Lydian Anyone who writes in 16/9 should be shot!! (16/9 is not a valid time signature :) No offense or flame intended, just thought it was funny :|
Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net http://www.iii.net/users/mer.html
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 15:45:13 -0500 From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 779 Message-ID: <199504101942.PAA07812@nic.iii.net>
> I would like you guitarist-type (or other fans) people to help me find > some selections from WDADU, I&W, and AWAKE that will show him that > there are other guitarists out there worth considering "Great". I > can hear things on the cds that really impress me, but I don't know > what is easy to play, and what is hard and complicated. I know that > if it sounds hard, that's not always the case. I would really like > to shut him up, and get him to stop dismissing other great players as > lowly peons in the shadow of Eddie.
I'm not going to attempt this (maybe because I'm a bass player) because Eddie's style is very different from Petrutti's. If your friend thinks that Van Halen is the best band and Eddie is the best guitar player than he's right (for him anyway). There's no Dream Theater song that will impress him because it's a completely different style. It took me a long time to be able to appreciate a band like U2 and the Edge's playing (being a longtime Rush/Yes fan, everything had to be complicated to be good).
Just my thoughts
Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net http://www.iii.net/users/mer.html
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