YTSEJAM Digest 927
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM T- SHIRT!!!!
by Dave Silva <silva@physci.psu.edu>
2) Re: shadow gallery?
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
3) Please subscribe.
by John Nguyen <nuprin@wichita.fn.net>
4) a few random thoughts...
by zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
5) hair (not a long post on an overdone subject:)
by mjnewb@basenet.net (Monty)
6) How to turn off Digest mode
by "Robert Quezada" <rq@injersey.com>
7) DT record sales?
by toscano richard <toscano@SDSC.EDU>
8) YTSEJAM digest 926
by Erik Wolfe <71473.371@compuserve.com>
9) DT Improv...
by Erik Wolfe <71473.371@compuserve.com>
10) DT flaws. JP bag of tricks.
by Aviad Hay <aviad@mail.snunit.k12.il>
11) Re: Shadow gallery?
by Steven Esterle <esterle@iglou.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 926
by Jeremy Peter Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU>
13) CHECK OUT THIS BAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
14) Jewlery
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
15) Another Day
by euan@waikato.ac.nz (Euan Kilgour)
16) Re: hair (not a long post on ...
by Ibanez7@aol.com
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 926
by asoudure@earwig.ed.ac.cowan.edu.au (Adam Soudure)
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 925
by asoudure@earwig.ed.ac.cowan.edu.au (Adam Soudure)
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 18:34:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dave Silva <silva@physci.psu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM T- SHIRT!!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9508191822.A17676-a100000@champs>
On Sat, 19 Aug 1995 Ibanez7@aol.com wrote:
> I WANT TO ORDER A YTSEJAM T SHIRT BECAUSE SCHOOL IS COMING UP AND I WAN'T TO
> SHOW OFF MY LOYALTY TO THE WORLDS GREATIST BAND. I ALSO WAN'T TO GET OTHER
> PEOPLE INTO THEM. COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO GET ONE??!!!
>
> REPEAT: I AM VERY LOYAL TO DREAM THEATER!!!!!
Can you post the answer to this to the entire 'Jam. I vaguely remember
this being talked about when I first joined, but I haven't seen anything
about it since.
Later,
Dave
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 95 15:41:36 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: shadow gallery?
Message-ID: <9508192241.AA02732@tengs1.lsil.com>
>
> Someone talked about _shadow gallary_ in a previous post and i wanted to know
> where this person picked their new album up from? please let us all know.
I picked it up at the _Compact Disc Warehouse_ in Sunnyvale
(Bay Area). It was the only copy there.
> thanks,
>
>
> Mark Stahl : stahl@primenet.com
>
> "Summer's going fast, Night's growing colder,
> Children growing up, Old friends growing older,
> Experience slips away......Time Stand Still"
> -Neil Peart
Couldn't delete that .sig! Probably my favorite Rush
tune.
Zach
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 20:56:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Nguyen <nuprin@wichita.fn.net>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Please subscribe.
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.950819205449.21179A-100000@wichita.fn.net>
Just wondering, did you guys get my last message I sent from this address
asking to be subscribed? Could you please subscribe me ? Thanx!
John Nguyen
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 22:55:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: a few random thoughts...
Message-ID: <199508200255.WAA08829@umbc9.umbc.edu>
Hi, all.
First of all my sympathy goes out to Mike Bahr upon being turned on
by a cyberfriend. <Do they make a Hallmark card for that?> That
really makes me mad that someone on this list would do that. At
the risk of sounding too idealistic, I like to think of the lists
that I'm on as some sort of family unit, this one being the most
close-knit. That was a really low thing to do. As if Mike didn't
do enough for you already...
I was surprised to Aviad say that he preferred the emotional aspects
of the UaGM solo to the solo in Another Day, for instance. While the
Another Day solo may not be the most technically demanding, but I feel
much more of a tug from the AD solo than the UaGM solo. I always have
to hold my breath for the really fast scale in AD. UaGM seems more like
JP is just working the fretboard like a typewriter. Not that there's
anything wrong with that. I also love the solo in Voices, when he
begins with the long, slow notes, and holds the bends like he does in
AD, then after the buildup he just totally pushes it over the edge with
the mega-fast part. This isn't flamage; just a little YJLHB discussion.
:)
Speaking of the hair, I noticed that jammers commented that they would
<or wouldn't> cut theirs, even for Cindy Crawford. I wouldn't either,
but I might for Helen Hunt...Daisy Fuentes...Teri Hatcher...Jennifer
Aniston...maybe Sandra Bullock...
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___ ___ ___ _ _ ___ ___ "...all that I feel is honor and spite.
| __| |_ _| | __| | V | | __| |_ | ...all I can do is to set it right."
|__ | | | | __| \ / | __| / / Kevin Moore, PMU
|___| |_| |___| V |___| |___|"Of all the stupid things I could have
Steve Zebrowski szebro1@gl.umbc.edu thought this was the worst..."
Joe Jackson, Hometown
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 20:39:08 -0500
From: mjnewb@basenet.net (Monty)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: hair (not a long post on an overdone subject:)
Message-ID: <199508200139.UAA16947@basenet.net>
Okay, you guys convinced me. I now plan to grow my hair out some
again. I don't know how long, but some. Well, that is, unless I get a
reallly awesome job that makes me keep it short.
I am also fervently searching for Ytsejam shirts. Got some info,
but I don't know if any are left, and I don't want to send money to the guy
without knowing if there are going to be any.
Oh yeah, I just noticed today for the first time that there are some
keyboard embellishments on a few Iron Maiden songs. While not obvious, they
are there, probably to give more body tot the tunes. Kind of cool.
One of the boys from the Dwarf,
Dale R. Newberry
P.S. Randall Braun: I got the stuff in the mail today. Thanks, dude.
"If I cannot inspire love, I will cause fear!"
-the Creature, Frankenstein
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 00:19:28 +0000
From: "Robert Quezada" <rq@injersey.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: How to turn off Digest mode
Message-ID: <199508200422.AAA08644@nj5.injersey.com>
How do I turn off digest mode?
thankx
rq
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 95 22:00:03 PDT
From: toscano richard <toscano@SDSC.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT record sales?
Message-ID: <9508200500.AA15751@vector.sdsc.edu>
Hi-
Does anyone know how many copies each of DT's albums have sold?
Similar info on other progressive bands would also be appreciated.
Thanks, Rich
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Date: 20 Aug 95 01:18:46 EDT
From: Erik Wolfe <71473.371@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@arastar.com" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 926
Message-ID: <950820051845_71473.371_CHU47-1@CompuServe.COM>
M Van Opstall:
You are correct when stating that there were indeed 6 "tracks" of guitar
in "Caught In A Web". However. I mean, not overdubs, but total "parts" in a
song. Innocence Faded has 6 different "parts" of guitars, sans overdubs. Whereas
"Caught" uses 6 parts to create one.
That's what I meant.
===============
Erik
"The way your heart sounds, makes all the difference.
It's what decides if you'll endure the pain we all feel.
The way your heart beats, makes all the difference in
Learning To Live." -- John Myung "Learning To Live"
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Date: 20 Aug 95 01:43:06 EDT
From: Erik Wolfe <71473.371@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@arastar.com" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: DT Improv...
Message-ID: <950820054306_71473.371_CHU47-2@CompuServe.COM>
While John P., in my opinion, is one of the best <if not the best> player out
there today, and I'm proud to consider him #2 on my list of 4 influences.
However, I've noticed that in the "non-studio" versions of DT songs <ie. Music
In Progress video>, he doesn't deviate much from his studio solos. At the
opposite end of the spectrum, Randy Rhoads was a master at improv solos.
There is nothing wrong with playing solos as they appear on albums, this is
a case of playing a safe and comfortable repertoire. Some artists are contented
with this. Is John? Not likely. So, I cannot make the previous statement with
100% accuracy, as I have yet to see DT live. I'll see if my opinion will change
or not when they come through here.
Don't get me wrong, I love DT and I listen to virtually nothing else.
And is there no answers to my last trivia question ?
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"By your hand, I've awakened. Bear this honor in my name." -- DT "Under A Glass
Moon"
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 9:04 +0300
From: Aviad Hay <aviad@mail.snunit.k12.il>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT flaws. JP bag of tricks.
Message-ID: <m0sk3Y9-0000aFC@vmbb.cts.com>
Marc Raspass wrote:
>I can relate to what you're saying but I wanna defend those guys. Maybe
>Myung isn't a soloist. Maybe he never studied improvisation and isn't
>comfortable with it. Bass - electric or acoustic - does not lend itself to
>soloing; it takes a lot of work to do a good job, I think. I studied jazz
>for a few years and played a lot of jazz - mostly on acoustic bass. I'm
>still not always confortable soloing. It's a lot of pressure. Myung does
>play great bass lines though. As for JP, I have to admit that when I listen
>to DT, I listen to the drums or the overall song and sing along with it
>cranked. In the rare times when I can hear the bass clearly, I listen to
>that. Usually, I don't pay attention to JP's solo.
(to me) a player has to have an ambition to build himself into his music.
You can have your typical bass lines - your own trademark of bass lines -
In which you will be recognized as an individual player. but there is
something more Superior than just having an array of nice and even
incredible bass lines - and that's the soloing part. And I fully agree
It takes time to do a good job and to feel comfortable with it - but we
didn't force John Myung to display his redicalous soloing skills .
And no matter how hard it is to do it good - a player must strive to
reach a good level of expressing his feelings and personality through
the music and for me a solo is the best way yet.
In fact I think if (like you said) John didn't take his time to study
improvisation - maybe he's ignoring a very important area of the music?
Nobody told him to be Steve Swallow or John Pattituci! Nobody's talking
about pyrotechniques and unbelievable soloing licks. We're talking about
feelings. Something that did not exist in his soloing.
Maybe john just did not fully explored the music and his playing and I
think that's a shame. It shows (and I'm walking on thin line here) a
certain level of limitation, musically.
Wew. Defend the guys as you may but john myung overlooked an important
part of the music - the more spiritual part - the idea of personalities
and music.
Dave wrote:
> Aviad, while I do agree that some of the bootleg solo stuff I've
>heard, mostly Subconcious, hasn't been the best musically, for you to pick
>UAGM as "a brilliant display of feel" is shocking. While technically great,
>the solo is simply showtime. John Petrucci said himself in an interview
>with "Guitar for the Practicing Musician" that the solo for UAGM is often
>said to be his best, but that it really is just "a bag of tricks".
> I think that the UAGM solo is incredible. JP does make his guitar
>sing.
> The things to keep in mind are 1) that the solo for UAGM, as with
>all the solos were written; JP had time to get it right and 2) in concert,
>while improvising, each note hasn't been studied and played over and over
>again so that it's perfect.
> I do not think that DT has any major flaws. They are great at what
>they do, write and play wonderful music. That doesn't always include
>improvising perfectly.
> Oh well... this was just my (sleepy) opinion....not meant as a flame! :)
>
>nites!
>
>dave
About JP - Offcourse he had a lot of time to adjust everything in UAGM
but I don't think a player in his level of professionality will invent
a whole new method for one solo - this bag of tricks he used to do that
solo is a result of years of work - I think he could have put parts of
it in an improvisation - or a similar part anyway.
I think he improvises badly too - It's something for young kids who
like chops to say: "Wow! Dude! that's like incredible! man!".
He didn't develope himself in that area - It's hard to be an individualist
in one's music while all of the personal parts (solos actually) are made
at home sitting in that couch and puting everything in order. You loose
a large part of the effect. Improvising on real time will not lie as to
feelings and emotion. And maybe that's something JP just given up for.
As for DT to have flows - the band Dream Theater has no major flaws. But
when looking at the players who ensemble it - there is a possibility that
they had failed to explore a very important aspect of the music. The flaw
is in some of the players - not the BAND.
..
Aviad.
UAGM solo is a bag of tricks - but what a magician JP is to pull entire
rabbits from it! David Koperfield.
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 08:52:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven Esterle <esterle@iglou.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Shadow gallery?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950820084822.22339A-100000@iglou>
I'm not the one who orginally posted but I got a copy through CDnow(
telnet cdnow.com), I think they had it for about 13.96 plus shipping. I
have never seen it at a record store. I would like to say that they do
at times resemble DT with the keyboards and guitar. The band does a
little more acoustic guitar and piano stuff than DT. I personally like
the vocals better, and the lead singer sometimes reminds me of Geoff
Tate. This is a great CD so I recommend that any DT fan go out and get it.
Steve
"And when I leave I don't know what I'm hoping to find.
And when I leave I don't know what I'm Leaving Behind."
..The Analog Kid by Rush
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 10:54:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeremy Peter Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 926
Message-ID: <199508201454.KAA19908@alder.grove.ufl.edu>
I see that some people on the Jam have not heard the greats of Progrock
like King Crimson, Gentle Giant etc. Well, I have a bunchof music
that I would be probably happy to make a sample out of for Jammers
if I get enough requests that it would be feasible to buy a pack of
high bias tapes (since that seems to be the only type people trade
anymore). It'd be about $1 for shipping I think plus whatever cost
for the tape, though if you have something on tape to trade I may
be interested.
Unless I am swamped I'll do custom tapes. I got new stuff and I got
old stuff, though I'm hardly a progrock god, and I got fusion and
nonprog stuff. If you want to hear before you buy send to me and I'll
give you a list of what I've got (after I type it up).
-- jeremy (jeremy@grove.ufl.edu) Through Nature's inflexible grace, I'm learning to die.------------------------------
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 14:24:06 -0400 From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: CHECK OUT THIS BAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <9508201824.AA00867@junix.ju.edu>
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SHADOW GALLERY!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOW! I have heard one song from these guys and they are incredible! They are identical to DT! I could tell any one of you guys this song was written by DT and except for the vocals you would belive it. And the vocalist is incredible also. He sounds alot like James, but IMO better. He has just a tad more crunch in his voice. If DT ever got a new singer they should get him (but I'm not suggesting that at all, I love James' voice). The CD Now store carries this for $13.95. If you dont know how to get there the link is on my page (http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html) under the "Music and Bands" section. I will put on a sound file of them sometime soon so check it out! I will also add some more DT sound bites, probably wav files.
CHECK THEM OUT! I want to thank Mike Backof for showing me this INCREDIBLE band!
____________________________________________________________________________ "...sorrow and pain she'll never outgrow; Death is the first dance, eternal...As a man I've found it's all caught up with me; Deceit is the second without end...Now the Miracle and the Sleeper know that the third is love; Love is the dance of eternity" (John Petrucci of Dream Theater)
Trey Allen --- tallen@junix.ju.edu --- http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html _____________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 14:24:17 -0400 From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Jewlery Message-ID: <9508201824.AA18818@junix.ju.edu>
Sorry to take up DT's space for this but I am an independant jewlery distributer for a company called LiberTree International. We have the largest jewlery cataloge in America and extremely cheap prices for top quality stuff. For you antique collectors, we also own the FIRST EDITIONS of nine different bibles from the Tyndales New Testament to the King James version written in English. These are the original bibles written by the original authors. These are a once in a life time opportunity to aquire an hierloom of this statute!
So if your going to buy jewlery email me first, and if you want more info on the bibles, check out my page.
Sorry again for the no DT comment! ____________________________________________________________________________ "...sorrow and pain she'll never outgrow; Death is the first dance, eternal..."
"...As a man I've found it's all caught up with me; Deceit is the second without end..."
"...Now the Miracle and the Sleeper know that the third is love; Love is the dance of eternity" (John Petrucci of Dream Theater)
Trey Allen --- tallen@junix.ju.edu --- http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html ____________________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________________ "...sorrow and pain she'll never outgrow; Death is the first dance, eternal...As a man I've found it's all caught up with me; Deceit is the second without end...Now the Miracle and the Sleeper know that the third is love; Love is the dance of eternity" (John Petrucci of Dream Theater)
Trey Allen --- tallen@junix.ju.edu --- http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html _____________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:20:52 +1200 From: euan@waikato.ac.nz (Euan Kilgour) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Another Day Message-ID: <v01510101ac5d56ae0982@[130.217.176.36]>
I was watching LiJ the other day, and it was said that Jay Beckenstein (yeah, that sax guy) played 8(!) different improvisations over the outro to Another Day. I have heard two now. One from the album and one from the video of the recording session. Has ANYONE got or heard any of the other six. He certainly blew JP and JL away with them, and the two I've (and all of you with I&W + LiJ) heard were pretty awesome, so what about it?
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 19:36:29 -0400 From: Ibanez7@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: hair (not a long post on ... Message-ID: <950820193613_59100748@mail02.mail.aol.com>
You found out how to get Ytsejam T- shirts!!!! I got no reply! Someone please help me out here!
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:27:07 +0800 From: asoudure@earwig.ed.ac.cowan.edu.au (Adam Soudure) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 926 Message-ID: <20E2E384817@earwig.ed.ac.cowan.edu.au>
Rick Wakeman on Bowie? Space Oddity of course :) Steve and Dylan Howe? Steve's latest solo album, The Grand Scheme of Things Steve How on Queen? The wandering minstrel guitar in "Innuendo"
========================================================== Adam Soudure Computer Support Faculty of Education Email: a.soudure@cowan.edu.au Edith Cowan University Phone: + 61 9 370 6468 Mt Lawley, Western Australia ==========================================================
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:27:02 +0800 From: asoudure@earwig.ed.ac.cowan.edu.au (Adam Soudure) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 925 Message-ID: <20E2D801345@earwig.ed.ac.cowan.edu.au>
>========================== > >>Oh well...at least [Blind Mellon is] gone now and DT's not! (At least I >hope they're gone) > >Unfortunately, they're not. They're back, with a new album. I heard the first >single about two weeks ago. It was nothing to write home about. >
Oh dear, they really are crap :( >============================
>To paraphrase a quote: > >"Is that their hair?" >"Sure is...and they have the receipt to prove it!" >
>I remember Petrucci's comments, vaguely. Something to the effect of, >"We're definitely not a bunch of stuffy prog-rockers who condemn something >if it's not in [insert odd time signature here]." >
Time sig= 9/8 :) :) That quote is pretty verbatim with what JP said (I have the exact issue it was taken from -- complete with a brillo JP poster)
>>The only thing I know about my biological parents is that my mother was >>a mostly-German college student in Iowa. My adoptive mother is 100% >>Italian and my adoptive father is French/Irish. I think that I am mostly >confused! >
My family = 50% Belgian 50% Anglo-Australian
>Patrick Moraz was in Refugee, which also included Lee Jackson and Brian >Davison, who were formerly in The Nice with Keith Emerson. >
All correct :)
>Now, what band Moraz was in before that.....you stumped me. But after Yes, >Moraz joined the Moody Blues. >
Got me....
>The five solo albums that the members of Yes recorded during this era: > >Jon Anderson: Olias of Sunhillow >Chris Squire: Fish Out Of Water >Steve Howe: Beginnings >Alan White: Ramshackled >Patrick Moraz: not 100% sure, but was it self-titled? >
The Story of I is the the one I think...
Regarding the ACOS EP:
I really wish they had included the UK track and the Yes medley :( Perhaps one of Mike Bahr's up coming releases could inlcude all tracks NOT on the EP.
Does anyone have a bootleg of the show??
Adam
========================================================== Adam Soudure Computer Support Faculty of Education Email: a.soudure@cowan.edu.au Edith Cowan University Phone: + 61 9 370 6468 Mt Lawley, Western Australia ==========================================================
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