YTSEJAM Digest 932
Today's Topics:
1) Take it easy baby, Take it as it comes
by debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
2) * RE : That arrogant fool, JM's solos.
by Aviad Hay <aviad@mail.snunit.k12.il>
3) Re: A possible project...and other tidbits
by Ytsejamer@aol.com
4)
by
5) Roxy Petrucci...
by auzzy@mails.entpe.fr (St\iphane Auzilleau)
6) ytsejam t-shirt webpage
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 927
by Jeremy Longley <longley@cambridge.rxrc.xerox.com>
8) re: obscure trivia
by William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
9) THE STICKERS ARE HERE...ready for SHIPOUT.
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
10) Help me with Kev's gear!
by Jeff Hochberg <hochbj@Sage.EDU>
11) Japanese version of A Change of Season...
by "DR. TEETH" <GLYDE@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
12) Re: A possible project...and other tidbits
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
13)
by bdg13784@IMAP1.ASU.EDU
14) Re: Japanese version of A Change of Season...
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
15) Majesty Demos
by steadle@usaor.net (Eric Lee Steadle)
16) New job and its relationship to the JAM
by debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
17) Short leave of absence
by Potestatem@aol.com
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 931
by Jeremy Peter Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU>
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 16:17:02 -0700
From: debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Take it easy baby, Take it as it comes
Message-ID: <v01530501ac625a665c13@[204.161.33.79]>
'IS ELP PROGRESSIVE' was asked in a recent JAM. ELP, Yes, Genesis and Pink
Floyd are the quintessential, historical archetypes of Progressive Rock.
They's the ones that really set the foundation for Progressive.
Rush & Queensrhyche would fulfill the same role in Progressive-Metal Rock.
Somebody may want to flame me on this, but I wouldn't call this an opinion,
but rather a FACT. (Others might want to add to these, but you certainly
can't leave'm out. Didn't include King Crimson, cuz, IHMO they were/are
sometimes too experimental to be easily accessed by the public; this
doesn't mean I don't like them, I do.)
I posted this on the King's X (Gretchen) list, but I thought non-KX's might
be interested in the following as well. (sorry to waste your bandwidth if
you're on both lists)
--In Gretchen 26, David Crossen was wondering about the KX -- Dream Theater
connection. As I've mentioned here before I found out @ KX thru the DT
YTSEJAM list. Not to flame non-DT KX listeners, I've noted a wider
diversity of musical background/preferences among DT fans (i.e., my friend
Dale, both DT/KX, has Megadeth & Phantom of the Opera on his playlist). I
know there are a fair # of DT fans also on Gretchen, or at least mention
KX. Not to overstress the role of KX's faith/beliefs in their
music/lyrics, I am quite surprised by the # of overt (& covert) Christians
and other people with a spiritual outlook, even they who profess to be
'non-religious' on YTSEJAM. I believe that this carries over to high % of
DT who also listen to KX. Also I believe this is the answer to another
recent post mentioning the commonality of three other groups often seen on
Gretchen (DT,GC (Galactic Cowboys) & Extreme)
--Randall L. Braun, the Lone D'Ranger
'What she is not, I can easily perceive, what she is, I fear, it is
impossible to say.' -- E. A. Poe
'To write or to speak is almost inevitably to lie a little. It is an
attempt to clothe an intangible in tangible form; to compress an
immeasurable into a mold. And in the act of compression, how Truth is
mangled and torn!'
-- Anne Morrow Lindbergh
'When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses.'
-- Shirley Chisholm, former member of the US Congress
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 9:11 +0300
From: Aviad Hay <aviad@mail.snunit.k12.il>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: * RE : That arrogant fool, JM's solos.
Message-ID: <m0sls1y-0002FuC@crash.cts.com>
To Marc and others:
Maybe john myung took a bad solo. And he got chocked, and a dove that
was flying in the area pissed on his pickups. Maybe. It's a possibility.
And offcourse I accept the possibility that he just gave up soloing
because he doesn't feel the need to, or he doesn't feel comfortable
enough to express himself through soloing. And his music is reflected
through his background stuff on DT songs. Nice. A cool bassist.
The solo was bad. It made me think of John's standards - which seem
to be not so high because of that. It just seemed to me that he's the kind
of guy that would try anything. And touch everything. And even may do it
well.
Rich Rochelle:
>To the jammer in 925 who was talking (typing?) about DT's "flaws" as they were
>called:
>
>I must disagree that John Patitucci is a great BASS soloist. I had _On_the_
>Corner and _Sketchbook_ for a while but they just didn't do it for me. Yeah,
>it's a taste thing, but for me, JPat is a good soloist, but come on, John
>play a solo that is more indicative of the bass. Since he was a guitar player
>before he was a bass player, it is no surprise that his solos are usually in
>the upper register (true, that is why one would buy a 6 string, but) and his
>groove playing generally uneventful.
I agree with what you say. I like what he does though. Very much.
Maybe the guitar similarity and 6 string issue is just a reflection
of what he thinks on the bass. And his groovs are great, IMHO.
Chrisf wrote:
>I hate to continue this childish thread, but it seems that one arrogant person
>won't let it go...
Thank you. That was a very nice thing of you to say.
>Can any person be judged so completely in a few seconds? Don't make any
>assumptions about how planned a solo was, if it was/wasn't an off night, there
>wasn't a blast of feedback from one of the monitors that deafened the
>performer, etc. Criticism is one thing, snotty attacks are another.
I would have never said what I said about John on the basis of just one
solo. It's my collective view on his short licks and flavors he put on
jams - the solo on the I&W show was a summery of everything. Of everything
that he has done.
Sorry if that upset you. or anyone else.
Oh BTW: He seem to control the solo very good - the sound seemed good
enough it's just that there was nothing to control - it was a real bad
piece of music.
Let's finish this thread now and I'll just say:
John is a very good rythem player. Any band would love to have
such a dedicated player - and we're lucky he's in DT, it just
makes it better.
And as Marc Raspass put it : "not everyone is a soloist", and that's
true - john's probably not a soloist.
Later.
Aviad.
(Maybe I should have kept it to myself)
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 02:18:28 -0400
From: Ytsejamer@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: A possible project...and other tidbits
Message-ID: <950825021827_82930602@mail06.mail.aol.com>
I kinda got an idea from Screaming in Digital (The Queensryche Digest) the
other day. Someone was asking about 'Ryche bitmaps, and since I was kinda
looking for some myself, I was wondering if any other Ytsejamers would be
interested in trading some DT (or really any other) bitmaps. If there is
some interest, I would almost be inclined to volunteer my time compiling,
copying, and distributing them. I think it would be fairly easy...send a
disk and a little postage money, and we sould all be fortunate enough to have
DT (or QR or whatever) wallpaper or screensaver modules. Let me know what
you think, anything's possible.
On a side note...if anyone is in the Quad City area, drop me a line. If
you've seen anyone with Iowa license plates which say "Ytsejam", that was me.
Take care!!
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And one more thing...what in the heck do I do to read the rest of the 'Jam
which comes in the downloadable files? I'm still kinda learning this AOL
thing...its not like at school!
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 10:43:14 GMT
From: auzzy@mails.entpe.fr (St\iphane Auzilleau)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Roxy Petrucci...
Message-ID: <199508251043.KAA10348@mails2.entpe.fr>
To answer the question of some ytsejammers, John Petrucci is absolutelty not
related to Roxy Petrucci from Vixen. I asked him this question in Paris 2
years ago and that made him smile. They are not from the same family and he
doesn't know her.
Do some of you saw Derek on stage with Alice Cooper this summer? He is
supposed to tour with him in the US...
One last thing, I went to London to see the warm up gig of Metallica at the
Astoria (August 23rd). It was a killer show, but they did not cover a DT song!!!
I think they could make an interesting version of a track like "Lie"...
Bye now,
Stephane, from Your Majesty (France)
PS: Your Majesty is a quaterly newsletter about DT (14 A4 pages every three
months), written in French. Issue #8 is out this week. Anyone interested can
e-mail me at auzzy@mails2.entpe.fr. It is a good way to improve your French!
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 03:21:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: ytsejam t-shirt webpage
Message-ID: <199508251021.DAA12651@kits.sfu.ca>
Hi,
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but Jason Giles who
does the shirts has a web page at http://www.crl.com/~jgiles/shirts.html
there you can see what the shirts look like and what the cost is, etc.
since i already have a couple i think i'll go for the _excellent_ Marillion
one. :)
tim a.
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 04:02:46 PDT
From: Jeremy Longley <longley@cambridge.rxrc.xerox.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: longley@cambridge.rxrc.xerox.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 927
Message-ID: <199508251101.MAA14692@giga.cambridge.rxrc.xerox.com>
A long while ago, someone (maybe Mike Bahr?) posted some text on the origins
of the tracks on the Subconscious CD.
Does anyone still have a copy of this? I'd be really interested to know what
the tracks are and where they were recorded
Cheers, Jeremy
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:26:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: re: obscure trivia
Message-ID: <UkDQ5we00YUs41jEtu@andrew.cmu.edu>
ELP, Karn Evil 9 "Crushed... Dust... in the wind"
what do i win?
if you want to know ------william bajzek------ and if you want to know
just what i see ---http://phoebe.dws.acs.cmu.edu/--- where we're going
look at yourself --------------~wb2a/-------------- keep your distance
and dont ask me ---------guitars, aepithex--------- and dont follow me
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 08:21:19 EST
From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: THE STICKERS ARE HERE...ready for SHIPOUT.
Message-ID: <9508250821.D1451is@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
I didn't expect to have the DT window stickers until the first of the
month...but was I WRONG! They are here and look great! Orders are
already coming in. Ship-out will be right away...so you don't have to
wait any longer!
Someone had a question about postage on international orders. It is
only 1 dollar extra(not per sticker)..just on the whole order.
If you are in the dark about this...and would like to know where YOU can
get your own DT window stickers...write to: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
Another week or so...I should have a picture on the NET.(I will let you
know asap!
There is a limited number of stickers in print...first come first serve.
Look forward to hear from you.
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:50:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Hochberg <hochbj@Sage.EDU>
To: Dream Theater mailing list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Help me with Kev's gear!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950825124320.15764B-100000@zeus>
..I'm helping him move, and I need people to load stuff into the U-Haul. :)
But seriously, folks... could some kind soul send me a list of the
equipment Kevin used in the studio for I&W and Awake? I realize this has
been discussed on the list previously, so send e-mail if you like.
Any info at all would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Jeff
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 14:35:51 -0600 (CST)
From: "DR. TEETH" <GLYDE@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Japanese version of A Change of Season...
Message-ID: <01HUHRWM6RCY001SZS@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Hey all. I've been in lurker mode all summer, but you don't want to hear about
it.
I'm inquiring as to the status of that fellow Jammer from Japan that offered to
send some of us here in the states some copies of the Japanese version of ACOS
(with the bonus tracks not found on the U.S. version) I can't remember his
name but he offered to do this a few months ago. I just want to make sure this
is still going strong. I'm sure I'm not the only jammer here who's willing to
wait a few extra weeks or whatever to get his hands on a copy of what's surely
going to be a hard-to-find copy of that release!
So, if you have a list of people you're willing to do this for, put me on there
too if you would! I can't wait! (I wish I had some spare Yen lying around,
but alas, I do not. ;)
Thanks again...
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:35:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: A possible project...and other tidbits
Message-ID: <199508251935.MAA11066@kits.sfu.ca>
>
> I kinda got an idea from Screaming in Digital (The Queensryche Digest) the
> other day. Someone was asking about 'Ryche bitmaps, and since I was kinda
> looking for some myself, I was wondering if any other Ytsejamers would be
> interested in trading some DT (or really any other) bitmaps. If there is
> some interest, I would almost be inclined to volunteer my time compiling,
> copying, and distributing them. I think it would be fairly easy...send a
> disk and a little postage money, and we sould all be fortunate enough to have
> DT (or QR or whatever) wallpaper or screensaver modules. Let me know what
> you think, anything's possible.
yes, that would be cool...except instead of sending a disk via mail,
why not just send it via e-mail, or through IRC (/dcc), or set up some
ftp site.
>
> On a side note...if anyone is in the Quad City area, drop me a line. If
> you've seen anyone with Iowa license plates which say "Ytsejam", that was me.
you're lucky! i've been wanting to get "YTSEJAM" for some time now,
but we only can have 6 letters on our plates :(
i'm holding off until we get 7.
tim a.
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:38:40 -0700 (MST)
From: bdg13784@IMAP1.ASU.EDU
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950825123746.15217C-100000@general1.asu.edu>
Suscribe ytsejam Brian Gilbert
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:19:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Japanese version of A Change of Season...
Message-ID: <199508252019.NAA13203@kits.sfu.ca>
> (with the bonus tracks not found on the U.S. version) I can't remember his
> name but he offered to do this a few months ago. I just want to make sure this
> is still going strong. I'm sure I'm not the only jammer here who's willing to
> wait a few extra weeks or whatever to get his hands on a copy of what's surely
> going to be a hard-to-find copy of that release!
i thought about doing it (after getting the Japanese Awake CD already)....
but because i got the Japanese version, i didn't get the domestic version.
so to the record company it looks like i didn't buy one, and therefore
they probably think there isn't too much interest in DT here(therefore
no tour here).
i know that one person doesn't make a difference, but if there were more
like me, then it could be significant.
so what am i saying? wait for the domestic release...don't get an import
unless you are planning to get the domestic as well.
we wouldn't want DT to be dumped by their record label because there is
no interest (ie. lack of sales of domestic cds).
what do others think?
i know that the urge to get bonus tracks is strong, but i'm sure they'll
come out on b-sides here anyway (EVE was a bones with Awake, and it
was later released as a b-side).
tim a.
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 16:12:14 -0400
From: steadle@usaor.net (Eric Lee Steadle)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Majesty Demos
Message-ID: <m0sm57e-0007VOC@gate.usaor.net>
I just got the Majesty Demos (and Instrumental II) and wanted to ask if
anyone has done an in-depth analysis of Chris Collins vocal style. My office
mate notes that he has pretty good range but that something's wrong. My
opinion is that he's flat.
Anybody know for sure what the problems is, or offer other insights?
(Actually I'm listening to it now and it's making me cringe...
It can be Wooooooonnnn... (ouch)
We will be ooooonnnnnne... (stop it!)
Also, he reminds me of someone else... I can't put my finger on who it is.
Needless to say I'm more impressed with Instrumental II -- no singing :)
ERX
^^^^^^^ Please don't ask about the laptop.
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 16:19:09 -0700
From: debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: New job and its relationship to the JAM
Message-ID: <v01530501ac63afad1757@[204.161.33.79]>
I got the job I was waiting on (finally). Its full-time temp right now,
but could go to permanent in a month. Trouble is, its close enough to
commute, but far away to a pain driving 5-days-a-week. Good: its working
with computers, setting up custom systems, mostly MS-DOS machines and my
immediate supervisor is about my age, and a former neighbor.
What this means? I'll probably get to access my Email/internet less often,
so don't panic if u Email, & its a few days for a response. My current
Email address, since its my dad's anyway, will still be good for a while.
Maybe get access at my new job; THEY have access, but that doen't
necessarilly mean that I will have access there.
This means my Trivia questions/answers will probably be given out at
greater time intervals, if you are indeed interested in them.
Another Yes trivia question:
The original guitarist for Yes left after the second album, Who is he and
with which Prog/pop band did he record with in early 80's. (Hint: although
they recorded mostly their own songs, they did a cover of another song that
was originally partially done in German.)
Just reserved my copy of Acoustic Dreams, can't wait
--Randall L. Braun, the Lone D'Ranger
'What she is not, I can easily perceive, what she is, I fear, it is
impossible to say.' -- E. A. Poe
'To write or to speak is almost inevitably to lie a little. It is an
attempt to clothe an intangible in tangible form; to compress an
immeasurable into a mold. And in the act of compression, how Truth is
mangled and torn!'
-- Anne Morrow Lindbergh
'When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses.'
-- Shirley Chisholm, former member of the US Congress
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 21:15:05 -0400
From: Potestatem@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Short leave of absence
Message-ID: <950825211504_63507629@mail02.mail.aol.com>
Fellow jammers:
As the begining of the school year is upon us, I must be going. I'll be out
of internet touch for a few days while I get my new account at my new alma
mater-NYU (<-proud). I should be back tuesday or thursday with a new
address. Incidently, since my whole family uses AOL, I can still recieve mail
here, but it won't get checked that often. TTFN!
-Dan (Potestatem@aol.com)
PS-Not that I think any of you are up night wondering, but "Potestatem" is
the latin word for "Power"
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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 00:34:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeremy Peter Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 931
Message-ID: <199508260434.AAA15004@birch.grove.ufl.edu>
> Here's a toughie<
>
> We all know the Kansas song "Dust in the Wind." Name the song by a MAJOR
> prog rock band that utters that exact phrase ...
>
> "dust in the wind"
>
That would be ELP, in Karn Evil Nine (Third Impression). Awful awful
lyrics.
----And on soloing, again does an instance in the past matter? Me, I don't like unaccompanied solos but when it comes down to it, how can you blame JM for soloing when there is one class of people who insist on boring everyone--that is, drummers. Even MP's solo in LIT, while interesting the first time, is damn dull, and I'd be hard pressed to name a good drum solo.
Drum duets, on the other hand, are fantastic. B'Boom!
-- jeremy (jeremy@grove.ufl.edu) Through Nature's inflexible grace, I'm learning to die.
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