YTSEJAM digest 935

From: ytsejam@arastar.com
Date: Mon Aug 28 1995 - 14:58:17 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 935

    Today's Topics:

      1) Re: Petruccis, guitar lessons
     by Michael Kevin Martin <marmik@homer.acs.bethel.edu>
      2) Trivia
     by david@pharlap.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick)
      3) Iluvatar, Cygnus
     by Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
      4) lessons are the way to go
     by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
      5) metropolis from NC
     by William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
      6) Re: JP Solos
     by james@tekelec.com (James Garrett)
      7) Musical Jammers
     by Johnny@motown.ge.com
      8) mike bahr's universe
     by fini@localnet.com (Paul Fini)
      9) Lessons
     by jsg140@psu.edu (Jason Gianni)
     10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 932
     by Ibanez7@aol.com
     11) Rush and DT similarities
     by "Ryan Park" <RPark@megaweb.com>
     12) MB and the 'Net
     by brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken Odiorne)
     13) ACOS in Holland?
     by Jeff "Jeffy" Seifert <seifert@math.tulane.edu>
     14) solo in Metropolis?
     by Aviad Hay <aviad@mail.snunit.k12.il>
     15) WAKE UP! / Dead or Alive / JL bad days.
     by Aviad Hay <aviad@mail.snunit.k12.il>
     16) Acoustic Dreams Update
     by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
     17) Cygnus update (from the Rush list.)
     by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>

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    Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:23:09 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Michael Kevin Martin <marmik@homer.acs.bethel.edu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: Petruccis, guitar lessons
    Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9508280938.B8340-0100000@homer>

            I apologize to all if I gave misinformation regarding J.
    Petrucci's relation to Roxy and Maxine. I read an interview a few years
    ago in which J. Petrucci was asked about them, and he alluded to their
    being in the same family. Perhaps this was a figment of the writer's
    imagination? I was simply basing my statements on this interview. I do
    know that Maxine and Roxy are most certainly related, however.
            
            Regarding the question of whether or not guitar lessons are worth
    the time and money, I would have to say that during the first couple of
    years, yes, they are. My first 6 or 7 years playing guitar I took
    lessons, and was instructed in many different musical styles, as well as
    the personal styles of the instructors. This did a great deal in the
    broadening of my playing abilities, as well as expanding my musical
    tastes. After I had taken most all of the lessons that were available to
    me, I simply practiced on my own. Barring a physical impairment, most
    anyone can get to John Petrucci's skill level if they are willing to put
    in the time and effort required. Practice sessions lasting 7 to 10 hours
    can do wonders for endurance and "muscle memory", as well as sparking ideas!

    Michael

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    Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 10:27:12 -0400
    From: david@pharlap.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick)
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Trivia
    Message-ID: <9508281427.AA11048@pharlap.ci.com>

    > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 16:19:09 -0700
    > From: debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
    >
    > Another Yes trivia question:
    > The original guitarist for Yes left after the second album, Who is he

    Peter Banks

    David Kuznick - david@ci.com (preferred) or dkuznick@world.std.com
    So storm through the barricades and raise your hands up high
    All of you pull down your walls, help those too scared to try
    Don't let them tell you it's only a dream, for never to dream is to die.
    Don't close your eyes. - "For Your Eyes" - ARAGON

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    Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 11:08:21 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Iluvatar, Cygnus
    Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.950828105831.25648A-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>

    Hello,

            For the person who was wondering, Iluvatar's new album entitled
    Childhood is due out the Second week of September. I have heard a couple
    of songs from it and it makes the first album pale by comparison. For
    those who are not familiar with this band, they are a prog-rock band from
    Baltimore in the Yes / Genesis vein of music with several epic tracks.
    Lots of old keyboards high in the mix on the new album, the guitarist
    uses a lot of Hackett-style riffs on the first album, but he breaks out
    into more solos on the new album, vocalist is good with a higher-end voice.

    I also know the guitarist, vocalist, and keyboardest (and the
    ex-drummer), so I thought I would plug them.

    I started reading the reviews of the new Cygnus boot and a personal peeve
    of mine is fadeouts during songs. I will try to remain calm. I have
    that Chicago show and that didn't sound all that bad, the sound quality
    is probably pretty good, I mean it would have to be exceptional to be
    better than RnR92, which is a DAT recording. Still a big thanks to Mike
    for making this stuff available, a boot is a boot, so expectations need
    to be held low.

    Later,

    Mike

    mbacko1@umbc.edu

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    Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 11:30:48 -0500
    From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: lessons are the way to go
    Message-ID: <v01510101ac679cb2fe6f@[199.232.46.229]>

    "Adam m. Cook" <adamc@shore.net> wrote:

    > Last, how many Jammers are musicians? There's been a lot of
    > talk on the guitar newsgroups lately about whether or not
    > lessons are the way to go. Concidering that all of DT are
    > well educated musicians I would like to know your opinions
    > on this...also how long you think it will take YOU to play
    > all of John's solo's in Erotomania...:)

    I'm a bass player and I have to vote YES on lessons. There is a common
    misconception that lessons can be bad for you. There is no way that
    learning more about music could ever hurt you. Take some lessons. Learn
    some good technique. Get exposed to other styles and ideas. Learn some
    scales and chords. All good stuff. After 2 years of private lessons, 1.5
    years at Berklee, 1 year of private acoustic bass jazz lessons, 1 year of
    private acoustic bass classical lessons, 2.5 years of classical music
    school (ear training, piano, harmony, orchestral playing), I still like to
    listen to lots of heavy rock bands. Not all are playing the most amazing
    complex stuff but it's good. It's just good to listen to and no amount of
    musical training will take that away if that's what you like.

    I don't think you implied this with that question but it's something that I
    needed to say :). Lessons are a good idea :).

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    + Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net +
    + http://www.iii.net/users/mer/welcome.html +
    +----------------------------------------------------------+
    + Check out the Joel Rivard Group home page at +
    + http://www.iii.net/users/mer/joelpage.html +
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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    Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 12:33:57 -0400 (EDT)
    From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: metropolis from NC
    Message-ID: <EkESzpm00YUzEA7WFV@andrew.cmu.edu>

    i listened 2 one of their songs at the sights and sounds booth at the
    rock and roll expo here a few months ago and i was very impressed. if
    i have any money left after progday i'm going to order it along with
    black jester's debut

    if you want to know ------william bajzek------ and if you want to know
    just what i see ---http://phoebe.dws.acs.cmu.edu/--- where we're going
    look at yourself --------------~wb2a/-------------- keep your distance
    and dont ask me ---------guitars, aepithex--------- and dont follow me

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    Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 10:26:28 PDT
    From: james@tekelec.com (James Garrett)
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: JP Solos
    Message-ID: <9508281726.AA20342@sunbeam.ca.tekelec.com>

    Hey Jammers,

    Here are my $.02. . .

    Although I love to hear a great ad lib solo, I think that a written lead
    (technically a solo if performed only by one player) is at least or even more
    impressive than ad lib solo. The ability to play a written line and then repeat
    it later in the song should not be overlooked. When I first heard DT, JP's runs
    in Pull Me Under are what caught my attention. Also, I believe that playing in
    sync with other musicians takes more skill than merely showing off what you can
    do by yourself. Each member of DT is a great musician; however, it is their
    ability to play together that sets them apart from the rest.

    James

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    Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 15:21:11 -0400
    From: Johnny@motown.ge.com
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Musical Jammers
    Message-ID: <199508281921.PAA20896@cybertron.MOTOWN.GE.COM>

    Adam Cook writes:
    > Last, how many Jammers are musicians? There's been a lot of talk on the
    > guitar newsgroups lately about whether or not lessons are the way to go.
    > Concidering that all of DT are well educated musicians I would like to
    > know your opinions on this...also how long you think it will take YOU to
    > play all of John's solo's in Erotomania...:)
    >
    Being that I am an ex-keyboardist (well, still am, but VERY rusty.. :D )
    I would say that whatever instrument you take up, you should take lessons.
    Not only they teach you the ins and outs of the instrument itself but any
    shortcuts that can help your technique. Also too, if you learn to read
    music instead of just depending on tabs, you will open yourself up to
    more possibilities and not find yourself crippled if a certain piece of
    music you like isn't available in tab.

    I have a friend that can play by ear and by tab but he always tells me that
    he wished that he would have taken lessons and learned how to read music. He
    tells me that eventhough he can play by ear (for the most part), he still is
    at a disadvantage playing.

    How long will it take me to play all of John's solo's in Erotomania?
    On guitar : forever.
    On keyboards : close to forever (I told you, I'm rusty. :D )
    On computer : as fast as I can type in the notes. Ha, ha, ha. Do I still
                  count as a musician?? :D

    Johnny
    member of the YLHB (Ytsejam Long-Haired Brotherhood)

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    Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:33:58 -0400
    From: fini@localnet.com (Paul Fini)
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: mike bahr's universe
    Message-ID: <199508282033.QAA10571@buffalo1.localnet.com>

    I was just catching up on reading 'jams and wanted to respond to a few
    things:

    >1. I have some questions. I knew DT by WDADU album and I like "Status
    >Seeker" very much. I went their concert in Japan three times but I've never
    >heard them play this song. Have they ever played the song in the US or
    >anywhere ? If so, are there any live recordings ? I want to know about
    >other songs they haven't played in Japan i. e. Light Fuse and Get Away, The
    >Ones Who Help to Set the Sun, Innocence Faded, Scarred, Space-Dye Vest.

    When I read this, I thought: hah! no problem... Mike's going to be making
    his "When Dream and Today Unite" CD around X-mas, and a lot of people will
    all the happier for it. Then I read this from Mike a few 'jams later:

    >would have meant something. Don't worry, it won't affect Acoustic Dreams
    >or Cygnus (both are paid for) but if I don't find out what happened, I
    >won't be able to produce any more. I'll be bankrupt. To be continued...

    AAARRGGGHHH!!!! this cannot be true! please tell us this a joke, Mike.
    otherwise i will curse not only your bank but all such fat, incompetent
    bureaucratic financial institutions in the universe. keep us updated on the
    situation... we'll be thinking of ya.

    paul

                 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
               _-_-_-_-_- Paul T. Fini : fini@localnet.com _-_-_-_-_-

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    Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 17:38:47 -0400
    From: jsg140@psu.edu (Jason Gianni)
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Lessons
    Message-ID: <199508282138.RAA15392@genesis.ait.psu.edu>

    Hey jammers!

    Just want to comment about musicians and lesson taking. I've been a
    drummer for the last 13 years of my 22-year old life. There hasn't a day
    gone by that I haven't thought about studying with someone; whether it be
    on drumset, or classical percussion, or whatever. You never know along the
    line who will help you, or what TINY little secret you may pick up from a
    teacher that could open doors to a whole new world. Now, I have an
    assistantship in Penn State, which involves 75% of my time here, not
    studying (class-wise), but TEACHING. Being a part of the teaching world
    makes me realize just how important "learning from someone else" really is!
    In addition, seeing my students accell from week to week is almost as
    stimulating as seeing myself grow as a player. It's quite flaterring.

    So, try to put away some foolish pride on your part if you refuse to take
    lesson. You know, guys like Eddie Van Halen and others are, in fact,
    "self-taught." But, keep in mind, out of 1 billion musicians out there,
    there is only 1 Eddie Van Halen! Take some lessons; they WILL pay off!

    jason

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    Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:52:24 -0400
    From: Ibanez7@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 932
    Message-ID: <950828184931_65560320@emout04.mail.aol.com>

    What were Petrucci's shorts like(what were so cool about them?)?

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    Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 19:30:12 +0000
    From: "Ryan Park" <RPark@megaweb.com>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Rush and DT similarities
    Message-ID: <199508282342.TAA15380@mail-e1a.megaweb.com>

    Hello! Michael Bahr writes...
    > .. Speakin of Rush, does anyone notice the EXTREME parallels that
    > developed between Rush and DT where the first albums are concerned?
    > If I don't miss my mark, ACOS is DT's "2112". Here's hoping for
    > similar results.

    That's hoping that DT will still be around in 20 years. Let's see
    here...

    DT's first album had part of their band name in it (DREAM). Rush's
    first album had the band name in it (RUSH).

    Rush had one band member leave after the first album (the drummer).
    DT had one band member leave after the first album (the vocalist).

    The new Rush drummer was MUCH better than the old one. The new
    DT vocalist was MUCH better than the old one.

    The new Rush drummer was Canadian. The new DT vocalist was Canadian.

    The second DT and Rush albums had three-word titles with an
    unimportant (non-capitalized) word in the middle (BY and AND).

    The second albums had their first attempt at a long epic story
    (By-Tor; and Metropolis).

    Whoops! SOMETHING DOESN'T FIT! Rush's third album is not a very
    good album, considering the quality of other Rush albums. DT's third
    album is GREAT!

    The third album has another epic attempt (Erotomania-Voices-Silent
    Man; and the Necromancer).

    The fourth album has a long mega-epic as all of side one (2112 and
    ACOS).

    Well, this is all I can think of. Tell me how I am doing.

    |> |> Ryan Park
    |\ | RPark@megaweb.com

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    Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:40:31 -0600 (MDT)
    From: brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken Odiorne)
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: MB and the 'Net
    Message-ID: <9508290240.AA12604@lamar.ColoState.EDU>

    Hey all,
            Does anyone else worry for Mike Bahr's safety? After losing his
    original internet account, and now this bank thing, I'm starting to have
    flashbacks from Sandra Bullock in "The 'Net." Not a great movie, but
    pretty interesting in the context of our favourite CD maker's life.
    Watch out Mike! They did it to her; they're going to do it to you!

    Outta here,
    Bracken
    "...Without music, life would be an error."
    Nietzsche -Twilight of the Idols-

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    Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 22:15:13 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Jeff "Jeffy" Seifert <seifert@math.tulane.edu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: ACOS in Holland?
    Message-ID: <199508290315.WAA21756@bach.math.tulane.edu>

    According to the electronic list on CD Europe, the ACOS EP is given a
    release date of 8/95 from Holland, and is ready to order! Do you
    suppose this is just a matter of the company jumping the gun
    (i.e. expecting to get it soon, but not yet available), or is there
    something we don't know about EastWest Holland?

    Then again, maybe it's just Pete the Pirate selling off copies..

    Jeff

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    jeff seifert, member FDIC seifert@math.tulane.edu
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    Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 7:35 +0300
    From: Aviad Hay <aviad@mail.snunit.k12.il>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: solo in Metropolis?
    Message-ID: <m0snIPo-00000qC@crash.cts.com>

    > Regarding John Myung's Soloing....
    >
    > ....Not Being a BASSIST, But I am under
    > the impression that the short solo during
    > Metropolis is nothing short of SPECTACULAR!

    This will usually not count as a solo - this tapping pattern that
    repeats itself with an ascending chord progression is some sort
    of a Bridge, or a C-part, not a solo. Than again it depends on how
    you perceive the solo issue. For me (and others) a solo has contents,
    melody, Progression, changes in feel, basically a story.

    Never the less this little tapping segment IS spectacular! John uses
    a typical Jaco Pastorius sound for tapping (most unusual) and it comes out
    real good!

    Aviad.

        /--\
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      \\_||_//
      / ## \
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    "To B-Quad or not to B-Quad?, that is the question" - a.h.

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    Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 7:49 +0300
    From: Aviad Hay <aviad@mail.snunit.k12.il>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: WAKE UP! / Dead or Alive / JL bad days.
    Message-ID: <m0snIdv-00020gC@crash.cts.com>

    Hello jammers!

    There is a subconscious track called Dead or Alive (Bon Jovi's) and
    I was wandering if anyone can give me info regarding Where it was recorded,
    when, how, who was playing, who did the solo, who are the drunken guys,
    why do they sound high pitched (HELIUM??) where did you get this from,
    who's singing and everything else. Whoever managed to get this one is
    a master!

    I've just received the bootleg WAKEUP!, and I'd have to say Derek
    is very cool - his solo there is great! the heavy JAM is great also,
    and the show is very good. Too bad somebody messed up with John Myung's
    sound - the trebles are too high!!!

    But still James Labrie has some problems there - Why does his voice
    get down so often? Why doesn't he go to a professional therapist
    about this? Because sometimes that guy can be so wonderful on shows -
    LIVE AT THE MARQUEE, for instance, in songs like Metropolis, The Killing
    Hand etc.

    HERE THE DRUMMER GET WICKED.
    HERE THE DRUMMER GET WICKED.
    HERE THE DRUMMER GET WICKED.
    HERE THE DRUMMER GET WICKED.
    CAUGHT IN A WEB.

    Aviad.

        /--\
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      \\_||_//
      / ## \
     | ## |
      \______/

    "To B-Quad or not to B-Quad?, that is the question" - a.h.

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    Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 01:41:18 -0700 (MST)
    From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Cc: durnik@indirect.com
    Subject: Acoustic Dreams Update
    Message-ID: <199508290841.BAA03415@bud.indirect.com>

    DREAM THEATER: "ACOUSTIC DREAMS"
    Information and Update
    Current to 8/30/1995

    NOTE: INTERNET EMAIL ADDRESS CHANGE: I am now durnik@indirect.com
            I found the culprit of my account's untimely death...

            Hi all! This is the latest information on Acoustic Dreams, the new
    LIMITED EDITION Dream Theater CD I will be producing. It will be a numbered,
    hand-initialed limited print just like Subconscious was.

    ============================================================================
    DISCLAIMER: Acoustic Dreams falls into a grey area of law as an uncopyrighted
    recording produced in such a manner that at least one facet of the production
    occurs in a country (namely Italy) in which it is legal to do so. In the USA,
    it is permissible to sell used import CDs only if they are labeled as such.
    This is such a CD. Be aware that the various powers-that-be are collecting
    nothing for this.
    ============================================================================

            Of course, that's all cover-my-butt lawyerspeak. I hope you all will
    want to be a part of this. I make roughly minimum wage doing it, so you know
    I'm not out to scam you. In all humility, I appeal to anyone who might not
    think too kindly of my endeavor, and ask that they might give me the benefit
    of the doubt on this one. Friends? :)

    1. What is Acoustic Dreams?
    2. What is the release schedule?
    3. How can I get my own copy of Acoustic Dreams?
    4. Orders received.
    ============================================================================

    1. What is Acoustic Dreams?

            Hi all! Allow me to introduce myself, if you aren't familiar with me
    yet. I'm Mike Bahr, humble maker of special-edition CDs. I noticed a lot of
    the mass-manufactured bootleg offerings were spiralling quite high in price
    and yet offered little for the die-hard fan, and I concocted a scheme by
    which I could make around minimum wage by producing CDs on my own, CDs that
    would fill the demand for REAL rarities and special songs, unreleased items,
    live shows, and the like.

            Basically, since no CD plant will print them for me, I have to rent
    studio and equipment time and do it myself. So far, it's working. :)

            Fortunately, and for this I am very relieved, my CD efforts so far
    have been incredibly well-received by the net community, especially the
    Ytsejam mailing list. I just do what I can do and leave the rest up to God,
    and I guess the Almighty isn't disappointing you folks. People from all walks
    of life, all countries of the world, both sexes, all races, and all religions
    have joined in on the Subconscious and Cygnus projects, and I am very happy
    to have you all along for the ride. I'll keep making CDs as long as you folks
    are willing to keep buying them. Thanks so _very_ much... :)

            And now, it's time to get Acoustic Dreams together.

            Well, this is the next CD I'm doing, also known as Dream Theater
    Unplugged. We were given a VERY high-quality soundboard tape of DT's recent
    Unplugged performance in Europe, and it can only be fully expressed in the
    form of a CD. Trust me. :) I am fervently hoping that the finished product
    is well-liked. I've created the master DAT and submitted it so I can get the
    glass master made.

            Here's the final tracklisting from Acoustic Dreams. I know many
            were hoping I'd find more stuff, but I've pretty much scraped the
            barrel dry at this point. The only other things of similar sound
            quality I could find were in soundboard shows that ought to be
            released to CD in their entirety.

                    Acoustic Dreams
            1. Another Day
            2. Lifting Shadows off a Dream
            3. Wait For Sleep
            4. The Silent Man
            5. Lie (boogie version)
            6. Tears (Rush cover)
            7. O Holy Night

                    Electric Extras
            8. Perfect Strangers (with Bruce Dickinson on vocals)
            9. 6:00 (performed in session with a much better mix)
           10. Caught In A Web (another better performance)

                    Bonus Tracks (acoustic)
           11. Voices (just a small part of it was all there was) acoustic
           12. Bad (U2 cover) acoustic

            I hope that once you've heard it, you will, like me, have your
    breath taken away by the beauty of the acoustic tracks and the clarity and
    sharpness of the electric mixes. As good as Cygnus sounded, this is easily
    and by far the best sounding CD I will have ever made.

    2. What is the release schedule?

    Here is the current schedule of releases as I see it (all dates estimated):

    NOW - Rush: Cygnus released/shipping
    NOW - Dream Theater: "Acoustic Dreams" ordering begins
    09/30/1995 - Dream Theater: "Acoustic Dreams" released/shipping
    10/15/1995 - Public Affection: "The Death of a Dictionary" ordering begins
    11/15/1995 - Dream Theater: "When Dream and Today Unite" ordering begins
    11/30/1995 - Public Affection: "The Death of a Dictionary" released/shipping
    12/25/1995 - Dream Theater: "When Dream and Today Unite" released/shipping
    02/--/1996 - Rush: To be announced
    04/--/1996 - Live or Type O-Negative: To be announced
    06/--/1996 - Dream Theater: To be announced

    Here are a few descriptions to keep your curiosity satiated :)

    Dream Theater "In The Subconscious" - 1 piece
            Also known as Subconscious #000, this original pre-mix master CD
            has all the songs in their original, unrefined state, and was
            sold along with the rest. Quite the collector's piece, I'd wager.
            Is on a gold CD-R with test cover.
    Dream Theater "Subconscious"
            Released 04/03/1995 - Limited Edition - 500 copies - sold out
            Contained Dream Theater rarities including A Change of Season.
    Rush "Cygnus" Alpha Test Print
            Released 08/07/1995 - 5 pieces - given away to random testers
            Identical to the regular release of Cygnus except has a different
            cover (original white cover), has dropouts as-is (no fadeouts),
            and is in a few other ways just a "test print". Only edition of
            Cygnus ever to say "Rush: Cygnus" and not "Cygnus Tribute" because
            I was able to make the bland black & white covers myself.
    Rush "Cygnus"
            Released 08/14/1995 - Unlimited Edition - still available
            Contains a rare soundboard show from the Hemispheres tour.
    Dream Theater "Acoustic Dreams"
            Currently in pre-ordering.
            To be released 09/30/1995 - Limited Edition of 500 copies
            Each copy will be hand signed/numbered in gold for authenticity.
            Contains beautiful unplugged performances.
    Public Affection "The Death of a Dictionary"
            To be released 11/30/1995 - Unlimited print
            Is actually +Live+'s little-known first album, released in 1989,
            two years before their 1991 breakthrough Mental Jewelry. Demand for
            this one is skyrocketing, and the Jam gets first shot at it.
    Dream Theater "When Dream and Today Unite"
            To be released 12/25/1995 - Limited print of either 500 or 1000.
            Contains the songs from Dream and Day only with James LaBrie on
            vocals. Collected from MANY sources and optimized for quality.
            Some of these still need quality boosts. (Light Fuse, STS...)

    The following are all "Work in Progress" releases...
    Rush other titles I'm considering (for any of the given shows):
            Land's Edge, Storm World, Lifeforce, Arena of the Ancients...
    Rush "A Symptom of Life" - from 12/20/81 2nd gen soundboard
            Contains a LOT of neat stuff. a LOT. But very long... 2 CD set?
    Rush "Concordant Crossroads" - from 3/24/81 audience MASTER in stereo
            This one has unbelievable good sound quality. It's a tossup whether
            to take this or Symptom, since both are so good but so similar.
    Rush "Sleight of Mind" - from a remastered 6/25/75 Toronto
            This tour has been very underrepresented in available material, so
            who knows, if S.H.'s cleanup efforts turn out good...
    +Live+ "Disenchanting Discourse" - from a 10/25/94 audience MASTER in stereo
            It might be released, it might not, depending on many things. If you
            would like to see it released, please let me know and let as many
            people know as you can. I tend to find ways to release things when
            I find an overwhelming demand for them. :)
    Type O-Negative "Deathgrip" - from a 5/30/94 audience MASTER in stereo
            A great setlist and decent sound. Only my worries about how many
            copies I can sell prevent this. I can't undertake anything less than
            a potential sellout project or I risk going under. Again, if this is
            a title you'd like to see, you can make it happen. All I need is a
            lot of interest, and away we go! So far I've had a few positive
            replies... much much more are needed though.
    Dream Theater... oh who knows, there's so much good stuff.
            Possible shows:
                    Osaka soundboard from late 1992
                    Hamburg soundboard from spring 1993
                    Vocalist auditions
                    various excellent DATs recorded in Texas

    3. How can I order a copy of Acoustic Dreams?

            Finally, I am going to go ahead and let the ordering begin, because
    I can tell everyone's excitement level is peaking at this point. :) I will
    say this in advance: I expect it to come out 9/30 or thereabouts (I'm going
    to try and beat my own schedule) and that's two months away, folks. If that
    dosen't bother you too much, I guess it won't bother me either. However, I'm
    one of those guys who hates having things take too long. :)

            I say this because Subconscious took an unbelievably long time to
    turnaround due to delays in the making of it, and despite my best efforts,
    Cygnus is going a bit too slow for my taste as well (though it's still within
    the predicted schedule, it was a schedule I had been planning to beat). So I
    am trying to jumpstart Acoustic Dreams so there's NO DAMN WAITING. :)

            Here's the nitty gritty then:

    RESERVATIONS. I'll take them, to save you a COPY, but not necessarily a
            _specific copy_. In many cases, people who request special numbers
            such as birthdays and so on will get them. But people requesting a
            specific low number are going to find that they're all sold. Which
            brings me to the next point:
    ORDERS. The numbering, excepting special requests when possible, will fill
            in the order I receive the mail orders. It's only fair after all.
            I'll reserve a copy for someone over e-mail, but if thirty people
            get their orders in before he or she does, it's not fair for me to
            still hold copy #014 or whatever. You all get the idea... these
            decisions are just in the effort to make it fair for all.

            Please, I stress to all of you, don't miss this if you missed
    Subconscious. It really does pain me to have to tell a fellow DT fan that
    there simply aren't any more Sub discs to be had, especially because I would
    be MORE than glad to sell one if I had it.

            Blanks, materials, studio time, etc is cheaper per unit for a
    production line of 1000 than for 500, which is why Cygnus was cheaper for the
    Ytsejammers. Acoustic Dreams, alas, must remain $25. I was hoping to bring it
    down to $21 or $20 but that wouldn't be cost effective. I think I may be able
    to do that for the Public Affection CD, however.

            Things are pretty simple from here. Send along a money order for
    $25 bucks to my address, being sure to include a note with your name, the
    address to ship to, your email address, and WHICH CD you're ordering (after
    all, Cygnus is still in ordering) and HOW MANY you're ordering. As before,
    international customers may use whatever means of payment is most convenient
    for them, though I stress that sending cash is risky and should not be a
    first option, but a backup plan. :) Also, to pool opinions: would you all
    want me to include a number list as orders are received?

            The address and so on is me at:

            Mike "Acoustic Dreamer" Bahr
            3175 N. Price Rd. #1066
            Chandler, AZ 85224

            My home telephone number, available as a courtesy to you, is
    1-602-777-0501. I am usually not home on weekends (band practice) so try
    during the week, between noon and 9pm pacific time, for best results. Also,
    please use discretion when handling this number, as it is, after all, my own
    home phone, and I will be very confused if a stranger calls at 3:00 AM. :)
    I trust you Jammers to be cool about it, as you always have in the past.

    4. Orders received.

            This is NOT "reservations"... it's paid-for orders. If you have a
    reservation, it's still valid, trust me. :) These are just the numbers that
    are filled. Also there are a handful of "saved numbers" in there.

    001 Master 002 Press Master A 003 Press Master B
    004 Mike Bahr 005 Justin Poulter 006 Steve McMaster
    007 David Fox 008 Robert Dalton 009 Chris King
    010 Michael Burstin 011 Brian Cox 012 Scott Hansen
    013 Mike Portnoy 014 Mike Portnoy 015 Mike Portnoy
    016 Bracken Odiorne 017 John Nguyen 018 Nathan Bradley
    019 Mike Engelhardt 020 Todd Masek 021 Johan Moore
    022 Mark Tedhams 023 Brian Fieg 024 Adam Japhet
    025 Steve Chew 026 Kristian Reyes 027 Alan Wilds
    028 Jeff Stewart 029 Matt McIntosh 030 Brian Polka
    031 Stephan Dobay 032 Dale Newberry 033 Scott Hansen
    034 Sanjeev Ghai 035 Sanjeev Ghai 036 Mike Robinson
    037 Paul Poehler 038 Lisa Gaunt 039 Tracy Mangum
    040 Jeff Forte 041 Robert Castilone 042 Bracken Odiorne
    043 Jean-Francois Cote' 044 Vaevictus Asmadi 045 Steve Esterle
    046 Chad Smith 047 Scott McCammon 048 David Edwards
    049 Craig Newmeyer 050 Partha Mukhopadhyay 051 Dave Silva
    052 Dave Silva 053 Dave Silva 054 Dave Silva
    055 Anna Davidson 056 Jason Breitweg 057 Demetris Papallis
    058 Adam Marshall 059 Paul Goracke 060 Andrew Garinger
    061 Alex Fraser 062 Uffe Moller 063 Uffe Moller
    064 Matt Masi 065 Iwahori Tomonori 066 Iwahori Tomonori
    067 Michael Backof 068 Brian Ross 069 Anna Davidson
    070 Kjetil Nordahl 071 Kjetil Nordahl 072 Kjetil Nordahl
    073 Bill Wrightson 074 S. Johnson 075 Jaison John
    076 Jaison John 077 Craig Newmeyer 078 Paul Humm
    079 Jay Miller 080 Astrid De Ronde 081 Jason MacDonald
    082 Scott Kuennen 083 Scott Kuennen 084 Rick Beem
    085 Mike Ringelstetter 086 Conrad Chi 087 Brian Kirk
    088 Brian Adams 089 Chris Freel 090 Chris Freel
    091 Patrick Davis 092 Dave Fausel 093 Chris Derobertis
    094 Sean Brady 095 S. Craig Caldwell 096 Andrew Stiles
    097 Gregory Bunker 098 Eddie Webb 099 Edwin Million
    100 Jenn Albert 101 Jenn Albert 102 Jeff Hill
    103 Mike Olekshy 104 David Delmont 105 Derek Bober
    106 Adam Japhet
    (there are actually about 40 new names for me to add here. I will have
     done that by tomorrow sometime. Sorry to those who were waiting to see
     their name; the Cygnus shipping put a temporary hold on my work here.)
    111 Sookapat Niyomthai
    113 Randy Haskin
    121 Jason Russell
    152 Carl Jason
    193 Ramin Miraftabi
    210 Greg Sands
    211 Greg Sands
    213 Evelyn Lauer
    215 Jun-Dai Bates
    222 Jacob Caminati
    225 Jason Russell
    228 Eric Marlett
    240 Chris Mahaffey
    244 Andreas Kasper
    246 Jan Melander
    249 Tim Villa
    275 Mark Stahl
    303 John Mastin
    304 John Mastin
    310 Craig Erskine
    313 Evelyn Lauer
    330 Philip Jason
    333 Jacob Caminati
    350 Keith Aspinal
    405 Philip Jason
    406 Joe Lukas
    412 Keith Aspinal
    420 Darren Brown
    421 Darren Brown
    427 Ryan Brown
    444 Jacob Caminati

            If you see something that just isn't true, please let me know. :)

    -Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com
    Magic: The Gathering - Mox Rubies taste sort of like onion rings with salt

    "Asps. Very dangerous. You go first." - Sallah, "Raiders of the Lost Ark"

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    Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 01:43:20 -0700 (MST)
    From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Cc: durnik@indirect.com
    Subject: Cygnus update (from the Rush list.)
    Message-ID: <199508290843.BAA03488@bud.indirect.com>

    This is actually the same update the Rush newsgroup gets. They're not
    familiar with me, so rather than boring them by telling them how I make
    the CDs, I just leave it to their imagination. The price for Ytsejammers
    is still only $23, even though the text below says $25, which is the
    price for non-Jammers.

    NOTICE OF AVAILABILITY: RUSH - CYGNUS
    UPDATE for 8/30/1995

    NOTICE: INTERNET EMAIL ADDRESS CHANGE: I am now durnik@indirect.com
    QUICK NOTE: The first 200 CDs have already been shipped! More to come!
                I am sending them via Us Postal Service book rate. This means
                it can sometimes take a week or more for it to make it to you
                (though people from the west coast seem to be getting theirs
                in 2-3 days). I promise, I'm crankin' them out as fast as is
                humanly possible!

            Hi all! It's time to update y'all on the CD project. I have finally
    received my shipment of the Rush CYGNUS CD, a CD with an incredible sound
    board show from the mystical Hemispheres tour, on it. And I guess I will go
    ahead and take orders for it... if you like, you can email a reservation
    before you send your check or MO. Here's the info:

            Rush "CYGNUS"
            Recorded at: TCC Arena (Convention Center Arena)
            Location: Tucson, Arizona
            Date: November 20, 1978
            Source: 2nd gen of original soundboard reel,
                    transferred to 48kHz DAT and mastered to CD
            Quality: See notes below.

            Track Listing:
            Anthem
            A Passage to Bangkok
            By-Tor & the Snow Dog
                    I. At the Tobes of Hades
                    II. Across the Styx
                    III. Of the Battle
            Xanadu
            Something for Nothing
            The Trees
            Cygnus X-1 Book One: The Voyage
            Cygnus X-1 Book Two: Hemispheres
                    I. Prelude
                    II. Apollo
                    III. Dionysus
                    IV. Armageddon
                    V. Cygnus
                    VI. The Sphere
            Circumstances
            A Farewell to Kings

            Running time 72:52

            I did a pre-order project like this for the Dream Theater mailing list
    a few months back and it worked out very, very well. Any of you who want a
    reference or voucher for me, direct your question at any DT fan who is on
    the Ytsejam list, and I'll let their judgment be the Word.

            How to order:

            (PLEASE ALLOW 3 to 4 WEEKS FOR DELIVERY.)
            -A lot of you might have forgotten about this. Since the oldest
            orders in the queue that are not yet mailed are only 3 weeks
            old, I'm catching up slowly but surely.

            Send a cashier's check or money order (made out to me) to:
                    Michael Bahr
                    Limelight Music
                    3175 N. Price Rd. #1066
                    Chandler, AZ 85224

            Note: I'm just a humble fan with a project going, not a store
            or CD warehouse... the dealers and mailorder places can give
            way better prices on other common boots so I don't have or
            sell any of them. Limelight is what I put on my business license
            so that I could pay sales tax, thus nobody would ask how I was
            getting all this money to deposit and why I'd dump thousands
            at a time into CD production. :)

            The price is as follows:
                    $25 US - base
                    free - postage within the USA
                    $1 - postage in Canada
                    $2 - postage to anywhere else

            So it would cost $25 to send it to Strawberry, Arizona... $26 to
    send it to Halifax, Nova Scotia... and $27 to Saitama, Japan.

            A note on quality. A lot of people ask me how does the sound compare
    to A Right to Passage and Spirit of St. Louis. Well, I guess I can give you
    all a rough idea. Speaking comparatively, ARTP emphasizes the booming bass
    sound the most and has the muddiest guitar and vocals of the three; SOSL has
    the booming bass and great vocals, but a muddy guitar, muddy drums, and too
    much high-end distortion, and Cygnus has less boom (the drums still give a
    mighty THUMP, but you hear the "thwap twang thwap" of Geddy's bass strings
    as opposed to an indistinct booming resonance), the stereo separation is
    clearer, and vocals are the clearest of the three. Vocals are really the
    standout on Cygnus... it sounds like Geddy's standing in your room. So if you
    want to crank up the subwoofer and crumble the walls, buy ARTP. But if you
    like to be able to hear bass slap and cool effects, try Cygnus. As some
    people have noted, there are some DROPOUTS that have been masked as well as
    I could. They were present on the master tape, so I couldn't do much but
    try to repair the gaping holes they left. I hope they won't ruin it for you.
    Finally, remember that concerts back in 1978 didn't emphasize punch like
    they do today, and you WILL have to crank the bass if you want this Cd to
    thump-thump-boom away. It's guitar- and vocal-heavy balancewise.

            Now then, back to ordering via cashier's check or MO.

            Why use a cashier's check or MO? Besides the fact that they can't
    bounce, they are traceable both ways. You know that if you don't eventually
    get a CD or a refund, I'll be in deep shit. :) It's really the safest way to
    buy, as I myself have been burned in net dealings before, I do my best to
    alleviate those fears where my projects are concerned.

            Apparently, this offer isn't as limited as I originally thought...
    400 copies have been ordered so far. Still, this CD is bound to become
    very valuable as it is a rare and much-coveted concert. Already, my first CD
    offering "Dream Theater/Subconscious" is being re-sold by others for twice
    what I originally sold them all for. And I'm afraid it sold out
    completely... there are no more left to sell!

            PLEASE! When you send the money order, TELL ME that you're ordering
    the Cygnus CD. Most of you are already doing this, I just wanted to make sure
    you all knew, as I am still wrapping up work on Subconscious, as well as
    taking the early pre-orders for the next Dream Theater CD. Also, be sure to
    include your email address. It's quite hard to get ahold of you if something
    goes awry, without it. :)

            If anyone has any questions, please feel free to email me or call me
    at (602) 777-0501, between the hours of 6pm and 11pm Pacific time. I'm sorry
    that I don't have an answering machine (as this is my home line, it's mainly
    available to all of you as a courtesy) but if I'm there, we'll chat. I do
    have classes these days so I may or may not be there. I do have work and
    school like the rest of you, after all. Please understand why you may not
    catch me at home the first three or four times you try. If the phone rings,
    I *WILL* answer it if I'm there, and we *WILL* chat, that much I will
    promise you. If you miss me entirely and want *me* to call *you*, I will
    do so if you leave your number in email. Please understand that it will
    probably be brief as I'm a starving student with a phone bill. :)

    Thanks all!
    -Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com

    "He was trying to fly, last time I checked."
    "Was he successful?"
    "I don't know..." Silk looked over the parapet. "Does bouncing count?"

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