YTSEJAM Digest 910
Today's Topics:
1) Re: No More Transcriptions!
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu>
2) Age discrimination
by jforte@acl.nyit.edu (The one they call Jeff)
3) Poly-stuff
by "Ken H ili" <KEN@benoni.nbr.no>
4) Re: Polyrhythms and syncopations
by Ibanez7@aol.com
5) Re: Kansas
by Erotomania@aol.com
6) Re: Age discrimination
by Ibanez7@aol.com
7) Providence Show -- 8/3
by Corporate Community Relations <buckley@powdml.ENET.dec.com>
8) DT on the Radio, etc.
by Corporate Community Relations <buckley@powdml.ENET.dec.com>
9) Copies of shows
by FFSG04A@prodigy.com (DR MICHAEL S MCINTOSH)
10) YTSEJAM digest 909
by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
11) DT Listeners
by ZapcoDT@aol.com
12) Kansas
by Nathan Benjamin Meezan <cheval@leland.Stanford.EDU>
13) Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 908
by ZapcoDT@aol.com
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 909
by Darren Freed <freedd@andrews.edu>
15) The Mission
by brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken Odiorne)
16) Re: Speaking of great drummers...
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
17) Re: Age discrimination
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
18) Derek.
by Aviad Hay <aviad@mail.snunit.k12.il>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 909
by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
20) LiT, Uncovered, DT fans
by pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke)
21) any 'jammers in Ottawa?
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
22) Re: Lyrics to Tears
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
23) STOP!!
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu>
24) QR , worst DT moment, I'm 32
by dneff@maaco.com (David Neff)
25) subscribe
by drdart@fox.nstn.ca (Doane Raymond, Dartmouth N.S.)
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:20:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: No More Transcriptions!
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9508011120.A1048-0100000@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu>
Umm...Considering Over Half of us are Musicians and happen to be
Seriously into this kinda stuff (Why the Hell do you think we like
DT???)...I suggest (And don't take this the wrong way...I'm, trying to
just be nice) you use the little thing in your E-mail reader called an
INBOX and delete any Messages that have a subject relating to technical
stuff! For those of you who 'Take The Time' to transcribe for our lame
ButtZ...MANY Thanks...keep up the Excellent work...cause I KNOW this is
some complex stuff...and By ALL Means...Keep It COMING!!!! The technical
stuff is what makes this Such a FUN list to be subscribed to!!!!! Take
care all...and I don't mean to Rag on ya whoever wrote this...but
seriously if we didn't have technical talk...this list would be EXTREMELY
Dead right now (DT Groupie Crap REALLY doesn't appeal to me...sorry).
Take care all!!! (Hehe HuGZ Ta Jen!!!) :)
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According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats:
If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) (i.e.
A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major would have
4 sharps.
StatisticZ show that if a person is born with Perfect Pitch, chances are
they will grow up to be a famous...Baseball Player!!! :)
"Just Lighten up and listen to the Music" -Kevin Moore (inside joke)
Eric Moegling: afn22909@freenet.ufl.edu
emoeglin@mail.coin.missouri.edu
fOr MoRE nFo AboUT mE fIngEr: emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 02:48:54 -0400
From: jforte@acl.nyit.edu (The one they call Jeff)
To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Age discrimination
Message-ID: <95080202485407@acl.nyit.edu>
>Just thought I'd tell any under 21 LI males who didn't get to see DT at CPI
>because of their sexist admission policy- Having different ages for men and
>women to get in is illegal. However, the policy will probably stand until
>someone with enough extra time and money decides to sue them (in other words,
>the policy will stand).
> Not that I'm bitter about having missed my favorite band twice in under
>three months or anything!
I wasnt surprised to hear of this policy because I had heard about some
other clubs doing it arund the Long Island area. Actually if this makes you
feel any better about you missing them, I heard they sounded horrible from a
friend who went. She said the place was overcrowded and hot. She left after
forty-five minutes and sat in the parking lot and waited for her friends to
come out. I hope someone who went to the show can tell me she was wrong.
I know DT has a habit of playing too loud so I could see them sounding
terrible. I wish i could have gone, but that damn "sexist admission policy".
On another note, does anyone out there have the lyrics to Tears...Im
dying to get them. I just bought 2112 the other day and found out that the
lyrics arent in the album. If you could either post them or send them to me
personally Id really appreciate it.
Later
________________________________________________________________________________
Jeff Forte jforte@acl.nyit.edu
"Hope is epidemic, optimism spreads, bitterness breeds irritation,
ignorance breeds imitation" --Rush
"Strange how laughter looks like crying with no sound; raindrops taste
like tears, without the pain" --Queensryche
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:49:54 GMT+0100
From: "Ken H ili" <KEN@benoni.nbr.no>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Poly-stuff
Message-ID: <MAILQUEUE-101.950802094954.544@benoni.nbr.no>
<<<Polyrythmn is simply using 2 Parrots as drum sticks....the thinner the bird,
the better. Hold them slightly on the side to avoid drumhead damage caused by
beaks. Let them have plenty of water after every 10 minutes of playing. Give
them potty breaks often. Store them upright when not using. Avoid cymbals
altogether...that would be cruel. Always wear drummer's gloves to avoid
losing your grip. Parrots do like to fly, they do NOT like to be
launched.>>>
I *KNEW* somebody would get it right!!!!! Thanks, Warren in Oregon,
the men in white coats are on their way!
Ken the Slave
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:07:12 -0400
From: Ibanez7@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Polyrhythms and syncopations
Message-ID: <950802090705_46151622@aol.com>
I was just saying that if you listen to only the guitar and bass, they don't
change meters with the rest of the band at that part.
--Jon--
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:12:21 -0400
From: Erotomania@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Kansas
Message-ID: <950802091220_46153683@aol.com>
Just so you know, I think "Live At The Whiskey" is probably Kansas's worst
album, followed immediately by "Freaks Of Nature."
Go pick up something decent by them:
Kansas, Song For America, Masque, Monolith, Leftoverture & Point of Know
Return.
And if you want to hear a GOOD live Kansas album, go pick up "Two For The
Show."
>Their music is similar except DT has taken it to a higher
>plateau and heavier and better
Uh...well, I don't honestly think you've heard enough Kansas to make that
statement. Heavier, yes. But heavier doesn't always make it better. And
besides, the one thing that Kansas did that no band did as well, you probably
didn't notice, because of the albums you heard...since Kerry Livgren, the
BRAINS of the operation, wasn't in the band post '84.
If the "special products" Kansas album you refer to is "Carry On," go check
out some of that material's original albums. You can't get "Drastic Measures"
or "Vinyl Confessions" on CD, and at the rate they're going, you probably
never will.
Not that this'll matter to you, Mr. Daugherty, but, I spoke to Mike P. about
the Live At The Whiskey CD right after he picked it up. I told him, "Man, it
sucks." Mike says, "Don't tell me that!"
Next show (at the TLA), I ran into him again. He said, "You were right about
the LATW CD...the other one was better."
Anyway,
-Hairball
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:16:41 -0400
From: Ibanez7@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Age discrimination
Message-ID: <950802091639_46157413@aol.com>
I was going to go to the Providence show, but its an 18 and over club!
I am only 16! This was going to be my first DT show--- but NO!!--- I am not
old enough to go! Why 18? Its obviously not for alcohol reasons. What---
do the sell cigarettes there??!!!
Jon (Ibanez7)
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 95 09:42:36 EDT
From: Corporate Community Relations <buckley@powdml.ENET.dec.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Providence Show -- 8/3
Message-ID: <9508021341.AA12820@us2rmc.zko.dec.com>
Anyone headed to the Providence show, be sure to pick up your complimentary
programme in the lobby. I'll be distributing them as a courtesy effort on
my behalf...
Buck
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 95 09:41:42 EDT
From: Corporate Community Relations <buckley@powdml.ENET.dec.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT on the Radio, etc.
Message-ID: <9508021334.AA12328@us2rmc.zko.dec.com>
<---- Begin Included Message ---->
Hey all you Dreamers!
I called my local radio station today and found out something
very disturbing! I requested them to play DREAM THEATER...and the DJ
was very honest with me and told me she is not sure they even have Dream
Theater in the studio(station). They did at one time..and played DT
quite a bit...but since "national statistics"(etc..etc..)(and marketing)
Dream Theater is not in demand as many other "new" bands or
records..etc.. They might play late night when the DJ has more
"freedom", but never hear them play during the day. What a shame...it
all comes down to TARGET MARKETING...music on demand. It ALL comes
P.S. oh..by the way..the radio station Im talking about it 98.9 The Rock
Kansas City. there phone number is:913-576-7989studio/ or
main number:913-384-9900.
---- End Included Message ---->
>>I don't know...there's something I like about not hearing DT on the radio,
>>it makes it...well so much more meaningful. While some people are out
>>ruining there ears with crap bands like Offspring, Green Day, and other
>>dime a dozen bands, I know I have DT sitting in my CD player to be played.
>>And also, I've recently realized how HARD it is to make someone listen
>>to DT. There's a certain type of personality that goes with listening to
>>DT. 90% of all DT listeners I know fit into this personality: They are either
>>artistic (painters, drawers, etc..), a musician, enjoys fantasy (rpg type)
>>novels and etc, or all of the above... Your everyday football jock,
>>metalhead, cheerleader, brainiac, type people don't appreciate it as much.
>>That's why when a song like.."Silent Man" or "PMU" come on the radio, more
>>people channel surf than enjoy! Just my $.02
Gotta throw my 0.02 in here...
I'm sure we'd all love to hold the opinion that James expressed above ...
i.e. NOT to hear DT on the radio and to keep the music to ourselves...but
the reality is that DT is in the music BUSINESS, and that is the key word
right there. Being a former sound engineer in the business myself, I've
seen a lot scenarios all pointing to one thing -- the all-mighty DOLLAR.
Yes, I know, hard to believe, but it's true. Record companies *honestly*
do not care how good or bad a band is, as long as it's making them money.
As soon as the band becomes a hassle, they're bye-bye.
So, do I want to hear DT on the radio? Well, it would be nice if they
had a lucrative financial income from such a vehicle (and MTV, that would
be nice) to support their longevity in this world, but one can only hope
without Radio or MTV that DT will be *lucky* emough to survive without
their support. Only a few bands, like the Grateful Dead, have managed to
do this.
To me, if you were all FAITHFUL DT fans, you'd be calling your radio
stations and sending MTV E-mail __demanding__ DT to be played!!! To me,
spend a little less time chatting on ytsejam and more time bugging the
industry people ... that is where I think y'all could make a difference.
Happy rails, ....
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Disclaimer: The opinions expressed above are my own. They are not expressed on
behalf of, nor are they associated with, my employer Digital Equipment Corp. or
any specific non-for-profit organization I have affiliation with.
P.S. -- Same goes for the work I do in the Amusement Industry -- sure, us
die-hard coaster nuts would all love to see roller coasters that go 100mph
with -2 negative g forces and what not, but that is not what the PUBLIC wants,
and since it is the public's money supporting this business, it is THEIR wants
and wishes that get the nod over the "true enthusiasts"...
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 09:52:19 EDT
From: FFSG04A@prodigy.com (DR MICHAEL S MCINTOSH)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Copies of shows
Message-ID: <013.09379879.FFSG04A@prodigy.com>
Hi all. I'm looking for shows from the Awake tour, especially the
June 9 show in NYC. I've got a stack of blanks, so I'm all ready. Let
me know if you can help me out.
One more thing: Alot of DT songs have samples and sound clips from
movies and whatnot, especially the stuff written by Moore. Does the
band have to receive permission to do that? (note: I didn't see, for
example, A Room with a View credited on Awake...)
Thanks...
-Finn
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Date: 02 Aug 1995 09:36:09 GMT
From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 909
Message-ID: <199508021435.AA06562@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 08/02/95 00:21
Aviad mentioned most people not interested in talking about "The Mirror" or
polyrhytms. O.K. Let's talk about an aspect of a Glass Tiger song that we can
all agree on! Boy, won't that be interesting? For the last time!!!! I thought
this list was for DT fans to talk about DT material and any other strand that
may spin off from such discussion. If you don't like it, page down! LATER-
Steve
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"Can't be king of the world if you're a slave to the grind."
- Skid Row
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:16:27 -0400
From: ZapcoDT@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT Listeners
Message-ID: <950802111626_128671109@aol.com>
I just read the new Ytsejam, and there was something in there about 90%
of all DT listeners being the artistic, musicical, fantasy type. Well, I
totally agree.
Also, I wanted to give you this input:
Have you also noticed that when it comes bands like DT or Rush, people
are either absolute fanatics or can't stand them? Take me for example, I'm
driving 300 miles to see DT in Providence! A lot of my friends just dance
around to hip hop and tell me that I'm nuts. I'm sure a lot of DT fans have
experienced this. It's like listening to these bands takes your mind and
creative abilites to a new level.
Also, I wanted to know If the members of DT or other progressive bands
lean toward this "Fantasy Dreamer" type personality. Probably. I guess that
bands like QR,DT,Rush,etc. are out there on the edge, they're the REAL
"Alternative" to the crap that gets played on the radio these days.
Anyways, just my 2 pesos!
Later,
ZapcoDt@aol.com
P.S. I just finished listening to Megadeth's new album. How do fellow
jammers consider them? I mean do they fit into ,"Progressive Metal"?
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 08:29:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nathan Benjamin Meezan <cheval@leland.Stanford.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Kansas
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.950802081517.23371B-100000@amy20.Stanford.EDU>
To the guy who asked about Kansas and their influence on DT and their albums:
(Daugherty, I think?)
Yeah, no kidding about the influence of Kansas on DT. In fact, I
just listened to When Dream and Day Unite for the first time the other
night (despite having owned I&W and Awake for quite some time now), and I
could not believe how much more obvious DT's roots were on this album
than in their later ones. It was obvious that they were aiming at Rush
and Kansas quite a bit. Very interesting. I like Charlie's voice,
too-- kind of like Geddy Lee mixed with Steve Perry (minus a good deal of
talent).
Anyway, to get off that tangent, I cannot agree with your statement
that DT has taken its Kansas prog-style "to a higher plane" or whatever
it was you said. I don't own many Kansas albums, but from what I've
heard, they possess an intensity that DT often lacks. Their music,
though complex, is not as complicated or out there as DT's, and I think it
is more powerful and moving than DT's.
As for albums, if you like Live at the Whiskey, you'll probably love
Point of Know Return and Leftoverture (these are the three Kansas albums
that I own). Most of the songs on Whiskey are from these two albums, and
it's terriffic to hear them with different instrumentation, studio
quality, and a young Steve Walsh with a clear voice. And the other
songs, well, they're fabulous--What's On My Mind, Sparks of the Tempest,
The Spider, etc. are awesome. You also get to hear Robby Steinhardt on
some songs, a treat you miss on Whiskey. The really amazing part,
though,is that these two albums, which contain music better than 99.9% of
other albums, were mad by Kansas in consecutive years! That still blows
me away.
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Nathan Meezan, Stanford '97
email- cheval@leland.stanford.edu
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 00:56:28 -0400
From: ZapcoDT@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 908
Message-ID: <950802005624_46000882@aol.com>
Hello! I just read the new 'JAM and would like to say that I think
everyone going to the Providence show starts chanting "Scarred" I'll be right
up front!
-C-ya!!
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:41:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Darren Freed <freedd@andrews.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 909
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950802112721.14737A-100000@orion>
> Come on people, discuss this among yourself. IMHO, not a lot of Jammers
> are interested in this stuff. Including the PolyRhythm thing.
> Take Care
>
>
> - Aviad
Easy there, buddy. I've learned a lot from all these intelligent dudes
discussing this stuff. I didn't even know what polyrhythm was before
they started talking about it. I think that this is what makes my
subscription to the list valuable! I actually learn something!
Darren
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:04:35 -0600 (MDT)
From: brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken Odiorne)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: The Mission
Message-ID: <9508021604.AA75559@lamar.ColoState.EDU>
Hey all,
I just had to tell you that I've finally had a success with Dream
Theater conversion. After months of trying to get my closed minded
friends in Idaho (through the mail, since I live in Colorado) to listen
to them, with no luck, I created a new DT fan.
My mother (age: 48) has been visiting me for a couple of weeks,
and I took this time (inbetween trips to the Denver Museum of Art,
etc...) to saturate her mind with DT. She loves them. After watching
the Live In Tokyo video and listening to every album and bootleg that I
own she decided she had to have them. The day before she left we went
out to our friendly local CD shop and she purchased I&W and Awake. Waa
hoo! I showed her my transcription books for the music (she's an artist,
not a musician, but I talk about music enough that she gets it) so she
could see how proficient the gods are at what they do. She loved it all.
Well, that's all I have to say for now. Be excellent to each other!
Bracken
P.S. Does anyone have a good copy of Queensryche's final show on this
tour on audio AND/OR video? I'm VERY interested.
"...Without music, life would be an error."
Nietzsche -Twilight of the Idols-
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 95 09:02:02 PST
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Speaking of great drummers...
Message-ID: <9507028073.AA807379630@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>>Has anyone here ever heard of The Icicle Works?
Yeah, I have a couple of their CDs (they are kinda hard to find)... very
interesting stuff, kind of like U2 (circa "Boy" or "War")... definately
worth checking out... don't know what happened to them though...
Mike Kizer
mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 95 09:34:43 PST
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Age discrimination
Message-ID: <9507028073.AA807381428@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>Jeff Forte jforte@acl.nyit.edu
>On another note, does anyone out there have the lyrics to Tears...Im
If you are looking for them to go along with Dream Theater's version
from the Ronnie Scott's gig then you can get a copy of the DT Song
Book (I am pretty sure the lyrics are identical with the Rush
version).
The "Unofficial" Dream Theater Song Book is available via the
following methods:
WWW: http://www.indirect.com/www/mkizer/index.htm
FTP: www.indirect.com/www/mkizer/dt_sb10.txt
If you can't get a copy using the above methods, send me an
email and I'll send you a copy directly.
+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+
| Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) |
| mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com (preferred) -or- mkizer@indirect.com |
| http://www.indirect.com/www/mkizer/index.htm |
| ^--> Check here for the Dream Theater Song Book... |
| "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose." -Rush (The Band!) |
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 95 20:39 +0300
From: Aviad Hay <aviad@mail.snunit.k12.il>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Derek.
Message-ID: <m0sdhrB-0000RLC@vmbb.cts.com>
Does anyone know wether derek can do Kevin's solo on TTT (on shows) -
does he do it well enough? Also Can he do Kev's solo on Under a Glass
Moon?
If anyone has a bootleg containing derek's solos for either of the
songs - I would be so happy to check it out - cause I don't have
any with derek actually.
Oh about the polyrhythms - The guys with the parrot thing was very
funny. And the guy with the "We don't want that in our Jam" was qute,
but the polyrhythms are generally very interesting - they symbolizes
the spirit of progressivness or complexity - and are very compeling
withing the songs...
See ya all.
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"To B-Quad or not to B-Quad?, that is the question" - a.h.
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Date: 02 Aug 1995 13:37:13 GMT
From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 909
Message-ID: <199508021836.AA15609@interlock.amoco.com>
Concerning polyrhythms....I consulted my dad who's a looooooooong-time
professional musician witha bach., masters and 5/6ths of a Ph.D. He's a major
jazz buff...hence the references. LATER-
Steve
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"Can't be king of the world if you're a slave to the grind."
- Skid Row
*** Forwarding note from VINSJ102--INTERNET 08/02/95 13:23 ***
To: ZSVJ01 --CTSVMC JOHNSON, STEVE
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 909
POLYRHYTHM:
The simultaneous use of conflicting rhythms and accents, often as a result of
combining different meters. Simpler types, such as the use of 6/8 against
3/4, are usually called cross rhythm, while the term polyrhythm is used for
the bold rhythmic clashes often encountered in 20th-century music. Strongly
syncopated passages, such as occur in jazz, also produce a polyrhythmic
effect.
The above passage is from the Harvard Brief Dictionary of Music.
They (discussion group) are OK in definition, but there is a lot of "phat" in
some of their stuff. :-)
Power to the beat!
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:49:56 -0700
From: pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: LiT, Uncovered, DT fans
Message-ID: <v02130501ac456243b480@[128.95.235.1]>
Live In Tokyo
-----------
Two weeks ago now, I celebrated getting a new cd player by purchasing Live
In Tokyo (yes, I know it's a video; but when the logic, however twisted,
involves getting new DT, I don't argue.) Watching it has renewed my awe of
the band, although I now urgently _need_ to see them live.
I had never seen the videos before: am I to understand there are people
here who actually got into DT because of these vids? The edits in the songs
are _painful_, and if I hadn't known the "real" versions, I would have
written DT off as a band that couldn't make a song flow together. And, of
course, the "wolfman" in PMU - ???
Can someone tell me what the Japanese autograph-hunter is _really_ saying?
While I was laughing loudly at Kevin's translation, some friends thought he
was serious. I imagine it's just "greatest band in the world" fan babble,
but I would still like to know.
Uncovered
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I've been listening to a tape of the Ronnie Scott's gig (thanks, Mike!) and
am quite impressed. The setlist is well-chosen (okay, there's a couple
songs I would argue against, but...) It's the first I've heard Derek play,
and he sounds good. My only anxiety now about him replacing Kevin is the
samples - Kevin has a way of making them fit and become an integral part of
the song. I know some of you hated the samples, but if they disappear on
the next album, I for one will miss them.
Overall, I would have (should have?) killed to be at that show.
DT Fans/Popularity
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Abraham Omman <omman@solar.sky.net> posited:
> There's a certain type of personality that goes with listening to DT.
> 90% of all DT listeners I know fit into this personality: They are
> either artistic (painters, drawers, etc..), a musician, enjoys fantasy
> (rpg type) novels and etc, or all of the above... Your everyday football
> jock, metalhead, cheerleader, brainiac, type people don't appreciate it
> as much.
Yes! Another 90% I don't fit into! Unless you can categorize a 26yr old
netadmin for an HIV research group w/ an Electrical Engineering degree who
reads Dick, Ellison, Clancy, and Barker and hasn't touched his guitar in 3
years (and wasn't very good at it anyway.)
I think the only real categorization for DT fans is people who know what
they like (and don't like) when they hear it, no matter what others say.
And aren't afraid to let their friends know about it :^)
Unfortunately, radio has become a one-way medium - marketers tell you what
to listen to. (I know there are djs out there who fight this, some on this
list - I applaud you) While seeing DT hit big on the charts would be
gratifying, I am happy to support them (and drum up additional support)
enough to keep the good stuff coming. Symbiosis can be cool.
Sorry for the length, but I just spent the last two days reconfirming why I
hate Microsoft, and needed a break.
pg
remember, you're an individual - just like everyone else
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:48:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: any 'jammers in Ottawa?
Message-ID: <199508021848.LAA17448@malibu.sfu.ca>
Hey,
I've just received news this morning that i got a job in Ottawa starting
Sept. 5th. so i'll make the trip from vancouver some time before that.
I'm hoping I could get together with some people who know what good music is :)
how is the club scene there btw.
hope to hear from someone...
(i'm 23 if that makes a difference)
tim a.
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 95 14:56:50 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Lyrics to Tears
Message-ID: <9508022156.AA17507@tengs1.teng>
> ....On another note, does anyone out there have the lyrics to Tears...Im
> dying to get them. I just bought 2112 the other day and found out that the
> lyrics arent in the album.
The MFSL CD has the full insert w/lyrics (and it sounds a lot
better!)
> If you could either post them or send them to me
> personally Id really appreciate it.
Since a lot of us here aren't Rush fans, too, here they are:
Tears
-----
Lyrics by Geddy Lee
All of the seasons
And all of the days
All of the reasons
Why I've felt this way
So long
So long
Then lost in that feeling
I looked in your eyes
I noticed emotion
And that you had cried
For me
I can see
What would touch me deeper
Tears that fall from eyes
That only cry?
Would it touch you deeper
Than tears that fall from eyes
That know why?
A lifetime of questions
Tears on your cheek
I tasted the answers
And my body was weak
For you
The truth
Z.
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:07:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu>
To: DT List <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: STOP!!
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9508021806.B63084-0100000@acs4.bu.edu>
Please stop all the talk about the intro to The Mirror. The whole thing
could be phrased in a million different time signatures. It doesn't need
to be, but it you want to make up all kinds of b.s. about fictitional
time signatures in the intro to a song in a thesis or something, go right
ahead! Please stop posting your theories! It has become quite tiresome!
Thank you! :)
Providence ho!!
Brian
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 19:04:36 -0600
From: dneff@maaco.com (David Neff)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com ('smtp:ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com')
Subject: QR , worst DT moment, I'm 32
Message-ID: <1995Aug02.185700.1059.1734@smtp.maaco.com>
Bob Holder's post about Queensryche reminded me - I saw them in Camden, NJ
on July 19 and they were awesome. I managed to get backstage for the
pre-show Meet & Greet which was even better! :) I've been backstage at
other shows before, but this was the first time the whole band showed up,
so I'm now the proud owner of a 5-autograph Promised Land CD poster
thing-y. Hoo-ray for me. :P
Despite the fact that the room we were in was rather small and very
hectic, all the guys were really cool and went out of their way to thank
everybody for being there.
Jason Giles, you might like to know that Michael Wilton took a good look
at my Ytsejam t-shirt and said "Cool!". Also, I met about 8 people at the
show with DT shirts, half of whom asked me where I got mine.
There was a thread a ways back about best DT moments - I have a worst DT
moment (hard to imagine!) ... I had just gotten I&W when I went to see them
at the Chestnut Cabaret in Philly (I was not familiar with the band at all
in
'93). There's a Chili's restaurant a few doors down where I went to meet my
friends, and as we were sitting there suckin' down a cold one, I happened to
notice an Asian American fellow sitting with some other guy in a booth
nearby.
Dadgum if it wasn't Myung and LaBrie! But did I go up and talk to them?
Nooooooo! Oh, they were chatting about something and I didn't want to
interrupt and seem like a jerk ... then they left. DOOOHHH!! 8=(
Let that be a lesson to all of you - CARPE DIEM!
Hey Al Balkiewicz - how ya doin'??
- Dave (dneff@maaco.com)
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 22:57:14 -0300
From: drdart@fox.nstn.ca (Doane Raymond, Dartmouth N.S.)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: subscribe
Message-ID: <199508030157.WAA03102@Fox.NSTN.Ca>
Kenneth Moore
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