YTSEJAM Digest 911
Today's Topics:
1) Any more dates besides Providence?
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
2) Echolyn with DT
by Qghost@aol.com
3) The Mirror - Time Signatures
by Erik Wolfe <71473.371@compuserve.com>
4) Petrucci's Classical Guitar
by Erik Wolfe <71473.371@compuserve.com>
5)
by amarshal@physics.Trinity.EDU (Adam Marshall)
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 910
by Brad Trent <huntkill@liii.com>
7) tour date master list update
by "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 910
by "Chad L. Cook" <ccook@bbn.com>
9) Re: Age Discrimination
by Corporate Community Relations <buckley@powdml.ENET.dec.com>
10) how is Albert Balkiewicz
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
11) Bunch of things in one post
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
12) Megadeth's new album
by Robert_Kasper_at_Main__Post__Office@voyager.capmetro.austin.tx.us (Robert Kasper)
13) DT on the radio
by james@tekelec.com (James Garrett)
14) poly want a cracker??
by "Abu Shams M. Ahmed" <mmahmed@mtu.edu>
15) Re: Radio Free Ethernet
by John Mastin <jmastin@motown.ge.com>
16) Re: Megadeth's new album
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
17) parents who like DT...
by mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu (Michael Burstin)
18) Re: DT on the radio, etc...
by euan@waikato.ac.nz
19) DT in Providence
by Timothy Adams <adamst@wasc.egginc.com>
20) Age discrimination
by rosenzwe@stu.beloit.edu (Stacie Rosenzweig)
21) Is it Pollyrhythm or poliorhythm
by debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
22) Echolyn on the Web (non DT)
by mpatrick@netusa1.net (Mike Patrick)
23) Re: parents who like DT...
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
24) Re: Poly-stuff
by jforte@acl.nyit.edu (The one they call Jeff)
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 22:49:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Any more dates besides Providence?
Message-ID: <199508030549.AA22246@crl11.crl.com>
Is DT planning on booking any other showdates besides Providence?
When I call EastWest they continue to insist this is the only date
scheduled.
A friend has checked with venues here in Atlanta and he says he could
work out a fairly sizeable guarantee for DT if they want to arrange
Southeastern dates. How much is left on the tour, and who do we
contact about booking?
-- Once you're touched you stand alone | Paul W. Cashman To face the bitter fight | vanyel@crl.com Once I reached for love | <- Dream Theater And now I reach for life | "Learning to Live"------------------------------
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 23:34:28 -0400 From: Qghost@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Echolyn with DT Message-ID: <950802233426_129246370@aol.com>
Are they going to play the Philly area? ================================== Ghost Qghost@aol.com
"I'm sitting in the fireplace burning up my time." ==================================
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Date: 03 Aug 95 00:01:03 EDT From: Erik Wolfe <71473.371@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@arastar.com" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: The Mirror - Time Signatures Message-ID: <950803040103_71473.371_CHU103-1@CompuServe.COM>
Um, no... sorry. Gpills@aol.com....check your times again... as follows.
Starts in 4/4 w/1 beat pickup <the rake> 4/4 <1 bar> 3/4 <1 bar> 12/8 <4x> 4/4 <4x> 2/4 <1 bar> 9/16 <1 bar> 4/4 <4 bars - double time - 4x> cont in 4/4 for 17 bars <double time> 7/8 <1 bar before verse - end double time> 12/8 <verse - 15 bars> 13/8 <1 bar> 4/4 <16 bars - double time feel> 2/4 <1 bar - end double time feel> 4/4 <2 bars - half time> 12/8 <verse - 16 bars> 4/4 <33 bars - dal segno at start> 4/4 <16 bars - double time - DS al coda> 4/4 <coda - 8 bars> 4/4 <33 bars - coda> 4/4 <2 bars - 4x - segue to LIE>
That's all the time changes.
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Date: 03 Aug 95 00:17:15 EDT From: Erik Wolfe <71473.371@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@arastar.com" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Petrucci's Classical Guitar Message-ID: <950803041715_71473.371_CHU103-2@CompuServe.COM>
Someone asked this... Other than the breakdown in "Learning To Live", the only other song I think is the intro to "The Killing Hand" off "When Dream And Day Unite". He may have used it back in the Majesty days. Oh yeah... he uses it on the solo of "The Silent Man" off "Awake". Almost forgot...
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 95 00:24:40 CDT From: amarshal@physics.Trinity.EDU (Adam Marshall) Message-ID: <9508030524.AA12684@physics.Trinity.EDU>
Hey all... just wanted to tell an interesting story. Earlier this evening I was playing computer games and listening to my tape of Subconscious that someone kindly dubbed for me. I knew my tape player's batteries wouldn't hold out much longer (I've been listening to this album non-stop for three days), but I didn't know when they would go. Well, I happened to first notice it while listening to ACoS. First, James' voice just sounded ... well, a little lower than normal. Then everything was noticeably slower, probably about 3/4 speed. The overall effect was very interesting. For one thing I could actually hear each individaul note, instead of the usual racing blur. It was a trip. Every note was so clear, and you could tell how tight the harmonies were. It was pretty cool. I guess people with high-tech equipment slow songs down when they're figuring out tab and such, but this was cheap, and I was kinda bored. Fortunately, I have spare batteries, so I didn't have to go very long before listening again. BTW, it finally died at the beginning of the second verse of Oh Holy Night. Poor Charlie was sounding pretty bad by then :)
Take care all Adam amarshal@physics.trinity.edu
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 01:47:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Brad Trent <huntkill@liii.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 910 Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950803014301.25799C-100000@rowan.liii.com>
Dear jammers,
Hey, what's up? I've succeeded in converting a couple of more people! The first one was gradual. I had my guitar teacher transcribing Dream Theater songs for almost two years now. Now, he is a Dream Theater fan! Also, I told him to play some Dream Theater for some of his friends. Well, he only had the chance to play DT for one person so far. He played Metropolis for him. I think the exact words of my teacher was that "my friend was flipping out when he heard Metropolis". Cool!
Yours, Jeff =)
P.S. BTW, I'm 18 yrs old.
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 04:53:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: tour date master list update Message-ID: <199508030953.EAA20578@tam2000.tamu.edu>
hi gang. the time has come again to update the old tour date master list, which, if you didnt know, is available on my web page. url is in my .sig... anyway i need help updating, so if any of you want to check it out and send updates, like venues/date corrections/opening bands, etc, i woudl appreciate it.
right now i want to add all the summer european dates that were played, and update the spring japan and europe dates that were cancelled. if anyone has any info about the summer european tour, or whatever, please email it to me at lerxst@tamu.edu
here is what i have for the last part of the awake tour:
Second Leg: (Japan)
01/14/95 Kawasaki/Kanagawa Kawasaki Club Citta 01/16/95 Osaka Osaka Koseinenkin Hall 01/17/95 Osaka Osaka Sankei Hall (cancelled, earthquake) 01/19/95 Fukuoka Sun Palace 01/21/95 Maihama/Chiba Tokyo Bay NK Hall 01/23/95 Shinjuku/Tokyo Tokyo Koseinenkin Hall 01/24/95 Urawa/Saitama Urawa Shi Bunkakaikan 01/25/95 Sendai/Miyagi Izumi T-21 Hall Third Leg: (Europe)
01/31/95 London, England Ronnie Scotts Jazz Club (Covers-only gig) 02/02/95 Bielefeld, Germany PC 69 02/03/95 Furth, Germany Stadthalle 02/04/95 Munich, Germany Terminal 1 02/06/95 Ludwigsburg, Germany Forum 02/07/95 Leipzig, Germany Auensee 02/08/95 Hannover, Germany Music Hall 02/10/95 Offenback, Germany Stadthalle 02/11/95 Dusseldorf, Germany Philipshalle (Fates Warning) FM 02/13/95 Gent, Belgium Vooruit 02/14/95 Utrecht, Holland Musikcentrum 02/15/95 Utrecht, Holland Musikcentrum 02/17/95 Copenhagen, Denmark Aleexandra 02/18/95 Malmo, Sweden KB 02/19/95 Oslo, Norway Rockefeller 02/20/95 Stockholm, Swedend Cirkus 02/22/95 Helsinki, Finland Tavastia 02/25/95 Rendsburg, Germany Nordmarkhallee 02/26/95 Berlin, Germany Huxleys Neue Welt 02/27/95 Bremen, Germany Aladin 03/01/95 Hamburg, Germany Docks 03/02/95 Hamburg, Germany Docks (option) 03/04/95 Wels, Austria Alter Schlachthof 03/06/95 Rome, Italy Teatro Tenda A Strisse 03/07/95 Milan, Italy Palasesto 03/08/95 Zurich, Switzerland Volkshaus 03/10/95 Vittorio, Spain El Elefante Blanco 03/11/95 Madrid, Spain Sala Canciller II 03/13/95 Paris, France Elysee Montmartre (Fates Warning) 03/15/95 Glasgow, Scotland Garage (cancelled) 03/16/95 Belfast, Ireland The Limelight (cancelled) 03/17/95 Dublin, Ireland Tivoli (cancelled) 03/19/95 Manchester, England University (cancelled) 03/20/95 Nottingham, England Rock City (cancelled) 03/21/95 London, England The Forum
U.S. Summer Dates:
06/09/95 Old Bridge, NJ Birch Hill Nite Club (Echolyn) 06/13/95 Lido Beach, NJ Club Malibu (Echolyn) 07/28/95 Hampton Bay, NY Canoe Place Inn 08/03/95 Providence, RI The Strand (Echolyn)
like i said, i put in the ones i thought were cancelled. i want to keep this list as accurate as possible, so any help is appreciated...
**always looking for rush/dream theater/queensryche/king's x bootlegs**
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 08:53:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chad L. Cook" <ccook@bbn.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 910 Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9508030840.D14517-a100000@achilles.bbn.com>
<Long a Lurker>
I'll be looking around for ytsejam T-shirts tonight in Providence! Hope to find some of you there!
Chad
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 95 09:11:32 EDT From: Corporate Community Relations <buckley@powdml.ENET.dec.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Age Discrimination Message-ID: <9508031306.AA02397@us2rmc.zko.dec.com>
Jon (Ibanez7) wrote:
>I was going to go to the Providence show, but its an 18 and over club! >I am only 16! This was going to be my first DT show--- but NO!!--- I am not >old enough to go! Why 18? Its obviously not for alcohol reasons. What--- >do the sell cigarettes there??!!! Actually, Jon, it IS for alcohol reason.
The Strand Theater is a Nightclub!!! Alcoholic beverages are sold there. Thus, the State regulates that all shows be listed as "21 and over". Some bands work out a clause which allow fans 18-20 years of age to enter the show, but are "marked" so they cannot purchase liquor. This doesn't happen for all shows, and some fans should feel lucky it's happening for DT.
You'll just have to catch them at a venue that doesn't sell liquor. Berklee Performace Center or the like is what you're looking for, unfortunately most of the dates on the AWAKE tour have been in nightclubs.
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:13:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: how is Albert Balkiewicz Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9508031057.A26145-9100000@bdmserver>
yeah, I would also like to know how Albert Balkiewicz is.
Plus he owes me 3 videos from February....
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:18:23 -0500 From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Bunch of things in one post Message-ID: <v01510100ac46a16eeb44@[199.232.46.229]>
>I was going to go to the Providence show, but its an 18 and over club! >I am only 16! This was going to be my first DT show--- but NO!!--- I am not >old enough to go! Why 18? Its obviously not for alcohol reasons. What--- >do the sell cigarettes there??!!! > Jon (Ibanez7)
Hmmmm. Good point Jon. I never thought about it but your lucky that they even have 18 and over. Since the club sells alcohol, they could just say it's 21 and over. I've seen shows that are 19 and over too. It seems to be at the discression of the club if they let in anyone under 21. Sorry about that. --------------------- >Anyone headed to the Providence show, be sure to pick up your complimentary >programme in the lobby. I'll be distributing them as a courtesy effort on >my behalf... > >Buck
Cool, Buck. What's gonna be in the program? Not that it matters because I won't find out until tomorrow after I've been to the show and got a program :).
---------------------- > Please stop all the talk about the intro to The Mirror. The > whole thing could be phrased in a million different time > signatures. It doesn't need to be, but it you want to make > up all kinds of b.s. about fictitional time signatures in > the intro to a song in a thesis or something, go right > ahead!
Heh, heh, heh. Since I started this thread a few months ago, I just wanted to jump in with, what surely will not be, one last comment. I'm a musician (bassist). I've been to a couple music schools and studied privately. When I posted what I determined to be, the intro for The Mirror, it was just because I really wanted to know. It sparked quite a debate then someone had the music and posted what the book said. The book made a lot of sense and really helped me because I wouldn't have thought about it (it's notated in 12/8 which DT uses a lot and sounds very cool). So I just want to say that it's obvious some people like to talk about this stuff and some don't. If you do, then you can learn something and if you don't, skip it. There's lot's of stuff that I skip on this list but I think it's great to be able to talk about the technical stuff in DT since I have no one else to talk about it with. Now that I know what's happening, I have new ideas for song writing. When you study jazz, everyone says to transcribe solos and learn them. What's different about DT? Sorry if some of you guys aren't into it. I don't complain when there's something I'm not interested in.
> Please stop posting your theories! It has become > quite tiresome!
:p
> Thank you! :)
Your welcome. :)
---------------- Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net http://www.iii.net/users/mer/Welcome.html
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:22:07 -0500 From: Robert_Kasper_at_Main__Post__Office@voyager.capmetro.austin.tx.us (Robert Kasper) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Megadeth's new album Message-ID: <020ce380@voyager.capmetro.austin.tx.us>
>P.S. I just finished listening to Megadeth's new album. How do fellow >jammers consider them? I mean do they fit into ,"Progressive Metal"? It sucks. They've sold out completely. _So Far, So Good, So What_ could be termed prog for the time. They defined 'speed metal' as a genre, but now they're just tired and sold out. The dollar sign rules Mustaine's brain, now. Sorry for the non-DT content, but Megadeth's new 'farce' is a point of bitterness for me. "In My Darkest Hour" was an anthem for me growing up. Check out the older stuff if you're not familiar w/ Megadeth. Top albums: 1.) So Far, So Good, So What? 2.) Killing Is My Business 3.) Rust in Peace 4.) Peace Sells 5.) Countdown to Extinction 6.) Youthanasia - (Which I hesitate to include...) - Rob
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 95 11:40:57 PDT From: james@tekelec.com (James Garrett) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT on the radio Message-ID: <9508031840.AA15384@sunbeam.ca.tekelec.com>
Hey fellow DT lovers,
I'm new to this list. My name is James and I'm a college student in Morthridge CA. I used to be a musician, but I wasn't very good, but I know what good music is, and Dream Theater is the best.
I agree with Buck that:
>To me, if you were all FAITHFUL DT fans, you'd be calling your radio >stations and sending MTV E-mail __demanding__ DT to be played!!! To me, >spend a little less time chatting on ytsejam and more time bugging the >industry people ... that is where I think y'all could make a difference.
I did a little web browsing and found these MTV addresses:
http://mtvoddities.viacom.com/feedback.html
feedback@mtvoddities.viacom.com
The first is a homepage with a convenient form to fill ou twhile the other is their email address. If everybody continually writes them, demanding that they play DT, maybe we'll get some action. If anybody has any other addresses to radio stations etc., post them so we can bombard them with requests for DT.
Note: I actually saw teh Lie video once on MTV at about 2:00am.
Cheers,
James Garrett
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:07:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Abu Shams M. Ahmed" <mmahmed@mtu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: poly want a cracker?? Message-ID: <199508031707.NAA10718@colossus.csl.mtu.edu>
hi all,
I've been a fan of DT from their WDADU times and still think they are doing a good job playing interesting music. I'm from Bangladesh (it's near India for those who don't know where it is ) and like Indian music we have a lot of complex rhythms. Those who want to explore more with poly rhythms should listen to the tabla players. you can listen to Shakti (John mclaughlin, L Shanker-violin, Zakir Hussain-tabla) awesome stuff. all kinds of odd rhythms. I know you guys are pretty open minded so give it a try ...I think you will like it.
have fun in the mean time.
Minhaz (I'm 23)
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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 16:43:18 -0400 From: John Mastin <jmastin@motown.ge.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Radio Free Ethernet Message-ID: <199508032043.QAA07853@serling.MOTOWN.GE.COM>
Jammers,
If you guys have Sun boxes at your sites running Solaris, pester your admins to crank up Radio Free Ethernet. What it does is allow you to take a device (tape, cd player, microphone...) and broadcast it on Ethernet. Then all you have to do is tap into that *station* and you can hear what is playing. Anywhere you go at the site. If you can get several broadcasts going, you could tap into any number of stations, just like radio. The sound quality isn't super great but tolerable. I have my cdrom player patched into my speakerbox. Its pretty cool.
Why in Hell am I telling you? Because the first CD broadcasted was AWAKE! (Look even DT content!) :D
Johnny
----------------------------------- "One of the reporters asked if they could "see" the internet worm. They tried to explain that it wasn't something that you could actually see but was merely a program that was running in the background. One of the reporters asked, 'what if you had a color monitor?'"
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 15:13:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Megadeth's new album Message-ID: <199508032213.PAA09292@malibu.sfu.ca>
> > > >P.S. I just finished listening to Megadeth's new album. How do fellow > >jammers consider them? I mean do they fit into ,"Progressive Metal"? > > It sucks. They've sold out completely. _So Far, So Good, So What_ > could be termed prog for the time. They defined 'speed metal' as a genre, > but now they're just tired and sold out. The dollar sign rules Mustaine's > brain, now. > > Sorry for the non-DT content, but Megadeth's new 'farce' is a point of > bitterness for me. "In My Darkest Hour" was an anthem for me growing up. > Check out the older stuff if you're not familiar w/ Megadeth. Top albums: > > 1.) So Far, So Good, So What? > 2.) Killing Is My Business > 3.) Rust in Peace > 4.) Peace Sells > 5.) Countdown to Extinction > 6.) Youthanasia - (Which I hesitate to include...)
i have to agree in a way...i borrowed my friend's cd a week ago...i didn't even bother taping it! i don't know if they sold out, but it's definitely not what they used to be...a thrash band :(
tim a.
this sig was knocked out :)>
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:05:21 -0400 From: mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu (Michael Burstin) To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>, ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: parents who like DT... Message-ID: <199508040405.AAA17029@cs.brandeis.edu>
Someone mentioned this in a previous post... Anyway... I was wondering how many people's parents like DT... (I know this applies more to students than anyone else... )
Anyway, my mother likes alot of DT's songs... except for some of the faster more metal-like songs like Lie, etc... She also likes Rush... (in fact, when I was driving my grandmother to the doctor, I had a Rush boot in the CD player, and she liked it...)
Oh, and for the record... I'm 21... -- +----------------------------------------------------+-----------------+ | The way your heart sounds makes all the difference | Dream Theater | | Its what decides if you'll endure the pain that we | Images & Words | | all feel. The way your heart beats makes all the +-----------------+ | difference. In LEARNING TO LIVE | Michael Burstin | +----------------------------------------------------+-----------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/home.html
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 08:48:22 +1200 From: euan@waikato.ac.nz To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: DT on the radio, etc... Message-ID: <v01510100ac46e2f68cb0@[130.217.176.36]>
>I'm sure we'd all love to hold the opinion that James expressed above ... >i.e. NOT to hear DT on the radio and to keep the music to ourselves...but >the reality is that DT is in the music BUSINESS, and that is the key word >right there. Being a former sound engineer in the business myself, I've >seen a lot scenarios all pointing to one thing -- the all-mighty DOLLAR. >Yes, I know, hard to believe, but it's true. Record companies *honestly* >do not care how good or bad a band is, as long as it's making them money. >As soon as the band becomes a hassle, they're bye-bye.
Good point. My question is, is where does artistic expression end and money making begin? What would happen if DT started to only write songs like Another Day, Wait for Sleep or The Silent Man to try and be 'more accessible'? Although the band may become more famous and sell more records - I wonder whether half the people on the jam currently would stop listening to them.
[deleted] > >To me, if you were all FAITHFUL DT fans, you'd be calling your radio >stations and sending MTV E-mail __demanding__ DT to be played!!! To me, >spend a little less time chatting on ytsejam and more time bugging the >industry people ... that is where I think y'all could make a difference.
Another good point. I have no problems playing DT to people who I hardly know - most have had a favourable reaction. However - the radio stations down here have a very strict format - maybe only The Silent Man could get played - if that took off then we may have the same effect as when Extreme released More than Words and Hole-hearted. I know of at least three people who liked the songs but hated the album, where as I hated the songs and liked the album!
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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 09:10:16 -0500 From: Timothy Adams <adamst@wasc.egginc.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT in Providence Message-ID: <s020995e.052@wasc.egginc.com>
Hi fellow Jammers, Just 11 hours till the show!!!!! I hope to meet up with some Jammers that are attending!!!! E-mail me directly if you're going tonight. I hope this post makes it in time!!!!!
-Tim
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 19:04:34 +22299548 (CDT) From: rosenzwe@stu.beloit.edu (Stacie Rosenzweig) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Age discrimination Message-ID: <9508040004.AA17257@stu.beloit.edu>
Well, I've never heard of a seperate age for males and females, although I'm not surprised. I guess its for the same reason that women don't have to pay a cover charge sometimes: to get more women into the club, thus bettering the odds for men. Sexist, yes. I'm females and I refuse to patronize places like that (most of them are 21+ clubs and I can't get in anyway, but some private parties are like that too) Recently, I went to one of those bars-that-let-you -in-if-you're-18, but got charged $2 more than a 21+ person would be. I didn't know that was legal, but according to several sources, that was common (I'm not a bar person, and most of the concerts I've seen were either Ticketmaster, festivals, or places in Wisconsin that don't care how old you are to drink, much less get in). I think that extra charges for young people is rediculous -- if basically says, "If you're too young to spend $50 on drinks, you're not welcome here." (Besides, the bounces at said bar was such a bastard anyway--told me alcohol didn't taste good until you're 21 -- CANAL STREET TAVERN in Dayton, OH if you're wondering)
So my advice would be for people who can't see DT for these silly rules: 1) Hang in there. A few more years and the age limts won't matter. 2) Move to Canada (drinking age is 19, 18 in Quebec, enforced like the US smoking age), Europe, or at least Wisconsin. 3) See DT in another venue, like I did at Summerfest (Milwaukee). $7 park admission. No service charge, drink minimum, or sexist/ageist rules (liquor laws still apply).
To anyone knowledgable of the law: What are the laws concering age/gender pricing and admittance? Are any of the above laws legal?
Oh well. Only 1 more year and two months until I don't have to worry about it anymore.
Stacie
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:31:18 -0700 From: debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Is it Pollyrhythm or poliorhythm Message-ID: <v01520c01ac46ad1767ea@[204.161.33.79]>
Old Trivia Answers:
--What prog concept album has the title/artist in Morse code on the cover of the album, and in the beginning and ending bits of the CD? ; clue, this artist is a former member of a well-known Prog band, which use a similar technique at the beginning/end of one their well-known albums.
Yes, its 'Radio Chaos' by Roger Waters; The 'full-circle' ending to beginning link is on PF's 'The Wall as well.
--What well known three word phrase from the Who's Quadraphenia is lyrically and musically quoted by Fish on Marillion's 'Misplaced Childhood'? clue, the quote is NOT on lyrics insert. What is the origin of 'Marillion's' band name?
Yes, its "Rain on Me", or is it "Reign O'er Me"; now you've got me confused. Its on 'Misplaced Childhood' right at the end of 'Bitter Suite' and before 'Heart of Lothian' And, yes, Marillion, is a shortened form of 'The Silmarillion' by J.R.R. Tolkien.
--For those that keep asking "What does this have to do with DT?" Simply, I was inspired by the mention of rock trivia at the DT convention. It seems that many of you Y'Jammers like to answer my trivia questions. And even I learn something from my own questions.
-Since I have gotten some positive responses I'll try some more trivia questions, as I think of new ones that are related to current JAM threads
New Trivia questions:
1. Speaking of 'Quadrephenia', Pete Townsend wrote another 'rock opera' between 'Tommy' and 'Quadrephenia'. What is/was the working title of that rock opera, Although this rock opera never made it to production, some of the songs were recorded on various Who albums.
2. On Queen, DT did do a cover of 'Bohemian Rhadsody'. Question: In what area of academic pursuit (PhD program) was Brian May involved before dropping out to stay with Queen?
No flames, just a more precise answer. 'Tears', which DT did as a cover was a part of the composition '2112' on Rush' album '2112'
What is it pollyrhythms or poliorhythms. Just to clarify, poliorhythms are rhythms with no meter or sinkopation at all; its just the drummer flailling around with his polly parrots, while the base player is over free-basing in the corner. The guirarist is shredding cabbage for cole slaw; while the keyboardist is having a new master lock made, so the vocalist won't steal his crackers and bier. (With many apologies to those who know somone who suffers from this tragic disease and its consequences--seriously)
On the Extreme albums--they are all high on my playlist, except the first one, which I don't have; is it worth getting?
--Randall L. Braun
'To write or to speak is almost inevitably to lie a little. It is an attempt to clothe an intangible in tangible form; to compress an immeasurable into a mold. And in the act of compression, how Truth is mangled and torn!' -- Anne Morrow Lindbergh
So settle back, fire up a simultini and watch the pictures fly through the air --T. Snyder
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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 20:22:16 -0400 From: mpatrick@netusa1.net (Mike Patrick) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Echolyn on the Web (non DT) Message-ID: <199508040240.VAA29196@web.netusa1.net>
This may have been mentioned here before, but it bears repeating. For those of you who still have not checked out Echolyn, there are short snips of each song on As the World at the following site:
http://www.sony.com/Music/ArtistInfo/Echolyn/songs.html
Hey, it sold me on them in a big way.
Funny, my wife listened to them and right away said, "They sound like Level 42". And you know what? The sort of do. Only Echolyn has more shifts and changes. And speaking of mondo stud-from-hell bass players, Mark King of Level 42 is one. Just thought you should know.
Mike Patrick mpatrick@netusa1.net Still searching for that elusive corner of the Net where civility is all the rage and the content is substantive. Ah, screw it. Who am I kidding?
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 95 22:18:13 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: parents who like DT... Message-ID: <9508040518.AA25279@tengs1.teng>
> Someone mentioned this in a previous post... Anyway... I was wondering how > many people's parents like DT... (I know this applies more to students than > anyone else... )
Well, my mom's 53 (kind of old) and she never got into rock at all although I remember her playing opera when I was little. Conversely, one of my best friends in college is [now] the same age and he loved rock, mostly classic, but I introduced him to Satch !>)> I guess it depends on how conservative your upbringing was. > Anyway, my mother likes alot of DT's songs... except for some of the faster > more metal-like songs like Lie, etc... She also likes Rush... (in fact, > when I was driving my grandmother to the doctor, I had a Rush boot in the CD > player, and she liked it...)
Never tried to get her to like DT (although now I'm inspired to try !>)> I do remember her kind of liking Rush's HYF (I made her listen to it once on the walkman). She also liked some of Neil's solos that I played for her.
Zach
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 02:02:02 -0400 From: jforte@acl.nyit.edu (The one they call Jeff) To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Poly-stuff Message-ID: <95080402020265@acl.nyit.edu>
>Polyrythmn is simply using 2 Parrots as drum sticks....the thinner the bird, >the better. Hold them slightly on the side to avoid drumhead damage caused by >beaks. Let them have plenty of water after every 10 minutes of playing. Give >them potty breaks often. Store them upright when not using. Avoid cymbals >altogether...that would be cruel. Always wear drummer's gloves to avoid >losing your grip. Parrots do like to fly, they do NOT like to be >launched.
I was probably was too amused by this for me to be concidered sane...but this was funny. Sorry to waste space for this but I just wanted to give whoever wrote this credit. Thumbs up.
Later
________________________________________________________________________________ Jeff Forte jforte@acl.nyit.edu "Hope is epidemic, optimism spreads, bitterness breeds irritation, ignorance breeds imitation" --Rush
"Strange how laughter looks like crying with no sound; raindrops taste like tears, without the pain" --Queensryche ________________________________________________________________________________
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