YTSEJAM Digest 919
Today's Topics:
1) long songs
by "Abu Shams M. Ahmed" <mmahmed@mtu.edu>
2) Re: #ytsejam - DT in Giant
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu>
3) Re: Time SignaturesLemme tell ya somethin' about tab books -- they suck. I saw the I&W tab
by jforte@acl.nyit.edu (The one they call Jeff)
4) Re: DT Software
by jforte@acl.nyit.edu (The one they call Jeff)
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 918
by omman@solar.sky.net
6) THE BUGGLES (ytsejam post) (fwd)
by nguyen john t <jtnguyen@cs.twsu.edu>
7) Re: Earplugs
by MattyMo@aol.com
8) Earplugs...
by CHORVAT@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU
9) Derek in Waynes World?
by CHORVAT@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU
10) VH concert, and DT shirt...
by mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu (Michael Burstin)
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 918
by James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
12) Age & Ethnicity
by debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
13) Trevor and Geoff
by imowatt@escape.ca (Ian Mowatt)
14)
by nguyen john t <jtnguyen@cs.twsu.edu>
15) Another Time Signature Post from ZapcoDT
by ZapcoDT@aol.com
16) Guitar Clinics
by ZapcoDT@aol.com
17) Ethnicity/Adoption/Job Hunting/Some DT Content
by Erotomania@aol.com
18) Win95 vs. OS/2 ... NOT ON THIS LIST!!
by siggih@ibm.net (Siegfried Hanisch)
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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 00:41:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Abu Shams M. Ahmed" <mmahmed@mtu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: long songs
Message-ID: <199508120441.AAA07396@colossus.csl.mtu.edu>
hi all,
just remembered....Pink Floyd "Echos" from Meddle...if I remember it
right it's 25 minutes or something long. any body knows how long
Shine On yyou crazy diamond is ....including all the parts??
Speaking of Floyd ...would you call them progressive??? I mean if
Marillion is...then they might be don't you think?
Sorry for all the non DT stuff
have fun?
Minhaz
P.S: somebody told me Floyd will be touring to support the live album
any body confirm / deny this ?
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 19:53:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu>
To: "John Jens, Jr." <jjens@gmu.edu>
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: #ytsejam - DT in Giant
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9508101946.B23221-0100000@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu>
Umm...hehe Bummer!!!! I'd LOVE to take over #ytsejam, but my friend hadta
take down his server that I was gonna use for the BOT...:~( I'll see what
I can come up with though (I just moved, and I'm tryin' to get everything
lined up on the net first). Take care...and anyone who has IRC Ideas give
me a BuZZ!!!! C-ya!
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According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats:
If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) (i.e.
A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major would have
4 sharps.
StatisticZ show that if a person is born with Perfect Pitch, chances are
they will grow up to be a famous...Baseball Player!!! :)
"Just Lighten up and listen to the Music" -Kevin Moore (inside joke)
Eric Moegling: afn22909@freenet.ufl.edu
emoeglin@mail.coin.missouri.edu
fOr MoRE nFo AboUT mE fIngEr: emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu
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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 11:26:58 -0400
From: jforte@acl.nyit.edu (The one they call Jeff)
To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Time SignaturesLemme tell ya somethin' about tab books -- they suck. I saw the I&W tab
Message-ID: <95081211265796@acl.nyit.edu>
book somewhere once, and decided to check it out. Forget time signatures
-- there were wrong NOTES all over the place!! Supposedly JP edited that
one, too.
So Eric Wolfe, the man who thinks that everything he reads is true and
therefore thinks he's got some real insight into the world of music
because he's got $24.95 to throw away on some tab book -- try thinking for
yourself a little! OK?
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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 11:34:26 -0400
From: jforte@acl.nyit.edu (The one they call Jeff)
To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: DT Software
Message-ID: <95081211342627@acl.nyit.edu>
>>I just downloaded a DT promotional package for Awake off the net. Has anyone
seen this? It is alright. Not the best but pretty good. It is interactive.
Has a lot of samples from the album and a funny spider that keeps reapearing
throughout the game. Also, I was wondering what the song Space Dye Vest is
about. I loving the haunting melody but the meaning to the lyrics escape me.
I can tell that Kevin Moore wrote it thoug. Excellent quotes and phrases. If
any help can be shed on this song I would appreciate it greatly.<<
Where did you get this from? Id love to check it out.
I dont mean to bring up something that I know has been dicussed before, but I'm
curious. What exactly are "triggered drums". I know they were used for I&W
and I dont really like the way they sound. Concidering that the ACOS EP is
produced by the same guy who did I&W, does the EP have them.
BTW I am Italian, Norwegian (sp?) and Irish.
Also the drummer from Blind Melon is left handed.
Later
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Jeff Forte jforte@acl.nyit.edu
"Hope is epidemic, optimism spreads, bitterness breeds irritation,
ignorance breeds imitation" --Rush
"Strange how laughter looks like crying with no sound; raindrops taste
like tears, without the pain" --Queensryche
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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 12:17:59 -0500
From: omman@solar.sky.net
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 918
Message-ID: <199508121717.MAA20261@sky.net>
Okay..lemme catch you all up on me. I'm 16, a student
hoping to go to NYU and major in education and chemistry,
I'm 100% Indian, and 100% christian (my dad's a pastor).
About the FUCK...I do agree that they should have left it
b/c it WAS how MP wrote the song, but the new lyrics are just
as good.
Dereks hair...Well I saw him in KC about 2 weeks after he joined
DT, b4 I new Kev left, the first thing I told my friend was
"who's the freak with the crew cut?"..His playing is good though,
maybe by the time their 4th album comes out, he'll have longer hair
or (god forbid) he convinces everyone to cut there's (NO!).
C'ya!
James
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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 12:16:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: nguyen john t <jtnguyen@cs.twsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: THE BUGGLES (ytsejam post) (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950812121620.12759A-100000@emcity>
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 11:24:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Dietrick Miller <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
To: "John T. Nguyen" <jtnguyen@kirk.cs.twsu.edu>
Subject: THE BUGGLES (ytsejam post)
The name of Trevor Horn and Geoff Downes band was Buggles. There hit was
"Video killed the Radio star". And it was the first every video on MTV.
Any more YES trivia? :)
ANdy,
BTW -- FUCK IS JUST ANOTHER WORD!!!! :)
Andrew Miller
ytsejam@strauss.udel.edu
University Of Delaware
V-mail (302) 831-4000 ext.87397
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If I stood on your shoulder
and wispered in your ear,
Truth is you still won't hear.
-echolyn
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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:34:22 -0400
From: MattyMo@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Earplugs
Message-ID: <950812133420_72775542@aol.com>
In a message dated 95-08-12 06:23:41 EDT, you write:
>
> To the guy who asked if anyone else out there wears earplugs, I do.
>I'm just glad I didn't have to learn the hard way. I used to not (simply
>because I was too lazy to get any), but after too many concerts when my ears
>were ringing horrendously, I figured I didn't want to lose any more of my
>hearing. I am not worried about looking like a wuss, either, because if
>anyone ever said anything, I'd just say, "Hey, at least I'll still have my
>hearing in twenty years." That reminds me of the Megadeth concert (please
>don't start the discussion again) when I had plugs and a friend of mine
>didn't. He was hurting after the first opening band, and I was doing just
>fine even after the show. Also, I have found that many times, earplugs help
>to make the sound more clear by filtering out much of the (bad) noise, thus
>clearing the sound up. Just my $.02.
I've been to about a gazillion concerts and not worn earplugs, then I started
wearing those 25 cent plugs. And then I started NOT wearing them again. The
cheap ones block out most of the treble and therefore seem to emphasize the
bass. I finally wised up before this years' Milwaukee Metalfest (which kinda
sucked anyway) and bought "hi-fi" earplugs. They have a pretty flat
frequency response and were well worth the 20 bucks. And BTW, for the DT
show, I didn't have my plugs in, just cuz they are worth it!
Matt
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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 14:07:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: CHORVAT@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU
To: YTSEJAM@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Earplugs...
Message-ID: <01HTZKRD7PJS00203H@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
This is simply a response to the person who mentioned wearing earplugs
at concerts. I saw DT at the State Theatre in Detroit last November (6th, to
be exact). IT ROCKED!!! I couldn't really sing for the next couple days since
I was screaming the whole time, but it was great!!
Anyways, out of all the concerts I have been to, I have used earplugs
only once. That was when I saw Queensryche last spring here in Toledo. (By
the way, Q-ryche gave the best performance I have seen in a long time).
The only reason I used the darned things then in because the acoustics in the
Toledo sports arena suck!! It was MUCH to cramped!! Fortunately, the 'plugs
dampened the reflected sound to a reasonable degree.
Which brings up another point...has anyone who managed to see
Queensryche on their last tour ever witnessed a stronger stage presence than
the one Geoff Tate presented? There have been many bands whose music has been
o.k., but their performances make up for the lack of "talent". However, when
you take a great band like Queensryche and add the level of theatrics that
group uses, you have an unbeatable combination. Musically, I believe that DT
has more talent than Q-ryche, but I believe that Q-ryche adds an extra
dimension to their shows. This is not to say that I did not like DT live...I
mean, I sacrificed my voice at that show (and being a singer, that is no small
thing!!). Their performance was good, but their music was INCREDIBLE!! (as
usual :)
Well thats my .02 worth. Keep jammin folks!!
"It can't rain all the time..."
The immortal Brandon Lee, from The Crow
p.s. Adam Marshal, if ya happen to see this, write me dude!! (it's Ragnor!!)
Laters!!
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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 14:22:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: CHORVAT@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU
To: YTSEJAM@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Derek in Waynes World?
Message-ID: <01HTZLQVTFDQ00203H@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
Ya know, a friend of mine (akozar, he posts here every once in a while)
just told me that Derek used to be with Alice Cooper. If this is true, did
Derek happen to appear in Wayne's World? It would have probable been after the
concert when Wayne and Garth were backstage meeting Cooper's band. Just a
thought...
Keep jammin folks!! :)
Chris
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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 15:17:24 -0400
From: mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu (Michael Burstin)
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>, ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: VH concert, and DT shirt...
Message-ID: <199508121917.PAA28791@cs.brandeis.edu>
Well, I wore my Awake shirt to the Van Halen show... wondering if I'd get
any comments like the ones that I got at the Queensryche show...
Well, I had one person stop me to tell me what an awesome band DT was, then
during the opening act, some girl 2 rows behind me asked me to stand up to
look at the back of the shirt, and she wanted to know if the dates on it
were for 94 or upcoming 95 shows... On the way out, I also saw somene
with the same shirt on...
Anyway, its good to see some DT recognition at a Van Halen show...
--
+----------------------------------------------------+-----------------+
| The way your heart sounds makes all the difference | Dream Theater |
| Its what decides if you'll endure the pain that we | Images & Words |
| all feel. The way your heart beats makes all the +-----------------+
| difference. In LEARNING TO LIVE | Michael Burstin |
+----------------------------------------------------+-----------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/home.html
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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 17:18:40 -0400
From: James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 918
Message-ID: <Pine.DYN.3.91.950812171525.4460B-100000@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
Trivia answers:
The Bugles (sp)?
"Video Killed The Radio Star" (first video shown on MTV)
UK:
Allan Holdsworth was not replaced but Bill Bruford was replaced by Terry
Bozzio.
UK is amazing. Buy the debut album with Holdsworth on it....
Jay
For info on INFERNO, E-mail: jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu
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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 14:20:43 -0700
From: debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Age & Ethnicity
Message-ID: <v01530500ac52696b8a62@[204.161.33.79]>
I'm old enuff to have gotten seriously interested in listening to and
purchasing progressive rock when Yes' 'Close to the Edge' & ELP's 'Brain
Salad Surgery' were first released. (P.S. I hope that this doesn't
startle/scare any of my Email/Y'Jammer friends); AKA a little older than
anyone's willing to admit so far. But I'm never too old for DT/progmetal.
Perhaps that's why I tend to bring up some of the old progressive music; I
grew up with it.
I'm mostly Dutch/German with a little French thrown in. Technically I can
also claim Ukrainian and Canadian as well (my great grandparents on both
sides migrated to the Ukraine from Germany and Holland, and then to North
America about the time of Red Oktober (Circa Lenin), my father's side to
the US and my mother's to Canada (eventually settled in British Columbia,
for all our Canadien Y'Jammers
--Randall L. Braun, the Lone D'Ranger
'What she is not, I can easily perceive, what she is, I fear, it is
impossible to say.' -- E. A. Poe
'To write or to speak is almost inevitably to lie a little. It is an
attempt to clothe an intangible in tangible form; to compress an
immeasurable into a mold. And in the act of compression, how Truth is
mangled and torn!'
-- Anne Morrow Lindbergh
'What are words for if no one listens anymore; ... if no one listens
there's no use talking at all.'
-- Words, Missing Persons, Dale & Terry Bozzio
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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 19:00:42 -0500
From: imowatt@escape.ca (Ian Mowatt)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Trevor and Geoff
Message-ID: <199508130000.TAA09356@wpg-01.escape.ca>
Hi everyone
Regarding the Geoff Downes/Trevor Horn/Yes trivia question....
Geoff and Trevor were "The Buggles" and were responsible for the gem(?)
"Video Killed The Radio Star".
And to add to the trivia question....
What song on Drama was originally on a Buggles album? What was the name of
the song when it was on the Buggles album? Obviously, it went by a
different title.
Also, something I've always been curious about. Are there any DT fans from
Western Canada? If so, have you seen them live, and where? I'm from
Winnipeg, and they have never played here.
Cheers,
Ian
Ian Mowatt
imowatt@escape.ca
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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 22:29:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: nguyen john t <jtnguyen@cs.twsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950812221125.15086B-100000@emcity>
I had a dream last night that I was at a DT conert and right after John
Petrucci's guitar solo, the boyz segued into a cover version of Eric
Johnson's "CLIFFS OF DOVER". Huh Huh -- I said --- that would be coool.
Another thing, I was wondering how many WEB sites does DT have? I don'
really know of any. If anyone would like to post any DT sites that they
know of, I could gather them all up and post them as a list. That way,
someone (possibly a computer nerd-slash-DT fan could surf the wonderful
WEB for Dream theater STUFF! :) Well, gotta go. Oh by the way, I'm
Catholic.
John Nguyen
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Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 00:17:43 -0400
From: ZapcoDT@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Another Time Signature Post from ZapcoDT
Message-ID: <950813001742_53537557@aol.com>
Hello,
I just got done while I reading the latest 'JAM (while I was listening to
the InstruMENTAL II cd I got from TIM LODGE which is truly awesome) Anyways,
what's all this hype about the time sig. to "The Mirror" intro? Just listen
to it and figure it out! Its easy! What is the power chord, B5,
right?(played with the low B string open)
And what Brian W. said about the TAB - he's got a point I think. If you
just look at the TAB and don't bother with the theory behind the music, how
are you going to learn anything? How will you adapt all those cool Petrucci
licks into your own playing without understanding how J.P. did it himself?
Well, just my 2 cents.
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Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 00:22:17 -0400
From: ZapcoDT@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Guitar Clinics
Message-ID: <950813002216_53539402@aol.com>
Hey! Any one who can give me info on how to go to the clinics that people
like John P. put on please email me at ZapcoDT@aol.com
THANK YOU!
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Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 03:18:28 -0400
From: Erotomania@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Ethnicity/Adoption/Job Hunting/Some DT Content
Message-ID: <950813031827_53598149@aol.com>
Well, here's a unique one: I don't know mine! =)
Basically, I know nothing about my biological parents, seeing as I am
adopted. I could guess (and have), but, I guess there's no real point to this
post. hehe...
Any other jammers adopted?
And, for those of you who might be interested, I've been out of college now
for a little over two weeks now. Finally got through everything. Anyone who
knows of any jobs related to audio/video/tv/radio/production or anything
close to that, lemme know. =)
Oh, and so this is relevant, the last class I took was a one week course in
MIDI. The reason I mention this is because the Prof, who holds a PhD in
Composition (I think), actually sat down and listened to selected parts of
I&W.
He actually dug what I played for him - instrumental section of Metropolis &
the solo section in TTT...and maybe something else - and expressed interest
in hearing more. Unfortunately, the class lasted only 5 days (from 9am -
6pm), and I didn't get to play him anything else...
..but, I'm sure he'll consider picking up the album. After all, when
explaining what SMPTE Code was to the class, he quoted Zappa. =)
Anyway, later...
-Hairball
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Date: Sun, 13 Aug 95 11:59:52 CDT
From: siggih@ibm.net (Siegfried Hanisch)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Win95 vs. OS/2 ... NOT ON THIS LIST!!
Message-ID: <199508131007.KAA08405@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net>
>This is to the guy who wants to run OS/2 and Win 95 on the same system....
>b> If it were, why would you want to?
>Win 95 blows OS/2 out of the water!
>Plus, if you don't like it, all you have to do is delete it.
>Unlike OS/2 where it re-partitions the HD...you must do a low-level format to
>dump it.
This is not true. Just install the OS/2 boot manager and everything works fine.
Plus, I am rather sure you will delete it (<-W95).
PLEASE DON'T START A WIN95 VS. OS/2 DEBATE HERE.
>Anyways, back to the DT please...
Agreed.
BTW: I am 1/2 German (father), 1/2 Austrian (mother), 24 years, Roman Catholic, I live in
Vienna/Austria. I am a computer scientist, writing OS/2 software most of the time.
Greetings # They shoot without shame
Siegfried Hanisch # In the name of a piece of dirt
=====================================# For a change of accent
siggih@ibm.net # Or the colour of your shirt
ssaver@ibm.net (ScreenSaver support) # Better the pride that resides
=====================================# In a citizen of the world
PGP public key available # Than the pride that divides
Team OS/2 # When a colourful rag is unfurled RUSH
WWW http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e8925811/home.html
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