YTSEJAM Digest 1173
Today's Topics:
1)
by
2) Re:Megadeth on Letterman
by Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
3) Tsa Sui
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
4) Clearing the air.
by GHSRocker@aol.com
5) Re: Megadeth on Letterman
by Erotomania@aol.com
6) the whole mtv boycott thang
by dark star <anthem@virginia.edu>
7) Yeah, but..
by laussade@enet.net (The Ytsejammer from Hell)
8) Re: 2nd guitar
by Jeremy Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU>
9) Opinions, pinions,onions...plaah...
by Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi>
10) stuff
by Shamus McConney <savage@grove.ufl.EDU>
11) Dream Theater
by rickbond <rickbond@bluefin.net>
12) David Prater trivial info
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
13) FTP sites and LDTC :)
by Shawna Lea Adams <SADAMS1@WELLESLEY.EDU>
14) Breaking and entering
by Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
15) Metallica doing Mirror
by Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
16) Re: A Voice
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
17) MTV Ban of Advertisers
by Michael Pomerleau <72064.614@compuserve.com>
18) Re: Bass? No.
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
19) Re: Berklee is no fucking guarantee!!!
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
20) Re: "Morbid" Dt songs
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
21) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1167
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
22) Dregs
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
23) A Nice Long Reply To Marc Respass
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
24)
by
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1. I'm a Christian.
2. I know all Christians.
3. I don't know you.
4. You're not a Christian.
Which sounded kind of similar to "When were you at Berklee? What do you
know of Berklee?" Sorry you didn't see me there, Marc. You know, I didn't
see you at the Moore Theater the last time DT came through Seattle. When
were you at the Moore Theater? What do you know of the Moore Theater??
How could you know about DT if I didn't see you at the concert???
> > Ever since I heard of their origins, I have always considered DT a
> > group of jazz musicians who decided to play metal.
>
> Which means that you don't know what you're talking about and have made
> many assumptions.
No, that's not what it means, and this kind of pissed me off. Marc, you've
made a few comments in the past that I disagreed with, but since I'm not
you, I guess I didn't feel a need to char-broil your ass. You have now
proven to me your intolerance of opinions that run perpendicular to your
own. So I have now made an executive decision as Controller Of My Mind to
flame you on any subject you raise in which you make a statement that I
either disagree with or (possibly) know something that you don't. Here's
hoping you get lucky and never mention any of the things that I know
something about.
> > Of course I could be wrong
>
> You are.
(light bulb suddenly sparks on)
Oh, so THAT'S my problem! Geeeez, I've been trying to figure that out for
YEARS!! Thanks for clearing that up, Marc. Just this morning I was
spreading mustard on my toast, and I swear for the life of me that I
simply could NOT figure out why the whole situation seemed so odd. Here I
am every day, yelling at people who use their turn signals, when it's ME
who should be using them... Man, I guess it really does take an outside
opinion to show a person what they're really all about.
> OTOH, anyone who thinks that someone is a jazz player just because that
> person attended one year at the Berklee College of Music doesn't know
> what he's talking about.
Look, we've already established that I'm a fucking idiot. And just now you
(quite scientifically I might add) took the theory a step further and
proved that I'm "wrong." So what makes you think that all of a sudden I
know what I'm talking about?
> OK. Sorry to be so harsh Steve. No offense intended but I guess I have
> to set the record straight ONCE AGAIN.
Yeah, that makes sense. I believe that. Here, quick impression, stop me if
you've already heard this:
"Gee, Soddom, your city has been destroyed. Sorry to be so
harsh. I apologize sincerely. Carry on as you were before."
> Like I said, you're either a jazz player or you're not. Knowing who
> Miles Davis is and knowing what a Lydian scale is doesn't make you jazz
> player.
I've only heard Miles Davis' music, I haven't read his bio or studied his
technique. And I haven't the slightest idea of what a Lydian scale is, or
what its purpose is in making me a more competent musician. So I guess I'm
a few notches lower than the average jazz player. But wait, you say that
even if I did know all about those two things, I STILL wouldn't be a jazz
player? What do I gotta do, sell my soul?
> I just can't see Portnoy sitting behind a kit with one small bass drum,
> a snare, hi-hat and ride and that's it though :).
Hey, if that's all he can fit into the bathroom when he's thinking up new
drum parts... I mean, his whole kit would require a bathroom the size of a
garage.
> Thanks for your time
> --Marc Respass
Tick-tock.
Bafu "Wrong" Vai
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:18:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re:Megadeth on Letterman
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9512011731.A19618-0100000@bgnet1.bgsu.edu>
On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Sean T Gill wrote:
> Ben asked what Megadeth played on Letterman. I saw them play "Tout le
> Monde" I don't know if they've been on more than once.
>
They also played "Train of Consequences" on another show, with Paul
Shaffer playing the harmonica fill at the end.
Sincerely,
G. Jack Thetgyi
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 95 17:24:11 EST
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Tsa Sui
Message-ID: <9512012224.AA08434@ici.net>
>BTW, what song did Megadeth play when they were on Letterman?
"A Tout le Monde". Naturally. I hate it when bands I like get on the
late-night shows, then play the slow song so they don't alienate the
audience. I wish they'd had some balls and played "Train of Consequences"
(or something).
I wonder if Letterman allows moshing in the audience? :)
>>> 2.) On the same boot, I think LaBrie said it like "Yet Say". is this
>>> correct?
>
>Well, he's Canadian, so his accent makes him say it wrong.
Hmmm,
Wouldn't it then be spelled "Yets, eh? Jam"?
--And to the person who suggested the "Desert Island Top Five" thread (and
also suggested people post it to the 'jam), I'd just like to say:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
"This has to come to an end/I'll never trust you again/It's time to make
your amends/Look in the mirror my friend"
have a day. :|
_________________________________________________________________________
/_________________Pat Sullivan__psull@ici.net_____________________________\
||She turned for one last look []Poison, power. Driven by fury. ||
||She looked me in the eye []Digital dictator, blackened expropriator. ||
||I said "I love you.... []Deliver us from evil, save the people. ||
||...goodbye." []Contagion of hatred must be eliminated. ||
||-DT / "A Change of Seasons" []-Vicious Rumors / "Savior From Anger" ||
\_____________________________[]__________________________________________/
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:34:31 -0500
From: GHSRocker@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Clearing the air.
Message-ID: <951201173430_41025848@emout06.mail.aol.com>
Hello. I saw my name mentioned and I cannot validate the statement made
by Andrew Garinger. Quote "I was scammed by Sue Moscardini".
Sorry, Andrew. I don't know anyone by that name. Do you know something
about me that 'I' don't know?
Fellow jammer's, Andrew is clearly sending out a warning to protect
yourselves. Follow his lead at your own discretion.
Bafu Vai (required content).
I have bought stuff from people I have met online and, so far I have NOT
been scammed. However, I have gotten stuff from Robert Quezada, Mike Bahr,
and David Kuznick. Trust me, very reliable people.
All I have to say to close is, you make your own decisions. If you
choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
"Said I won't be afraid to take you away to a place where you and I can
be as one"-
Jason Micheal/Ice Cold July (1994)...as inspired by W. Shakespeare.
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:37:24 -0500
From: Erotomania@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Megadeth on Letterman
Message-ID: <951201173723_122353012@mail02.mail.aol.com>
>When Megadeth was on Letterman, they
>played A Tout Le Monde.
I thought they played Train of Consequences, with
Paul Schaffer doing a harmonica solo at the end...
..hmm...
-hairball, not appearing on AD
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:42:11 -0500
From: dark star <anthem@virginia.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: the whole mtv boycott thang
Message-ID: <v01530501ace52df88222@[128.143.234.126]>
regarding jeff hochberg's idea in jam 1169 about petitioning mtv's
advertisers, that is certainly the way to go about making a change.
however, one really has to wonder if it's really worth all the time and
effort...!
for one thing, spreading the word and trying to gather support over the
internet, over related listservs and stuff... that will descend into spam
fast, and will probably end up backfiring against the cause.
but here's the real problem. organizing this huge movement (assuming jeff
was being serious) would be a momentous task, as jeff said, but what
exactly would it accomplish? ok, great, we'd get prog rock on mtv. is
that really what you want? think about it. mtv by nature-- actually, just
tv by nature-- is mostly about quick sound bites and demographic trend-wave
riding. short attention spans. flashy colors, loud sounds. blurry,
oddly-lit camera shots. headache-inducing strobe editing. it wouldn't
have lasted as long as it has without that whole paradigm.
trust me... conquering mtv is not worth the effort. let those top-40
people have it. it belongs to them... and they're getting exactly what
they deserve.
now i will say that in spite of mtv's inherent cheesiness, i admit that
it's occasionally fun to watch. but it's entertainment, that's all. would
you peg down dream theater or rush or QR as being purely entertainment? i
wouldn't... so it never really bothered me that they rarely if ever played
prog music on mtv... when i did see it (all that comes to mind is rush's
"stick it out"), it was kind of cool to see what the band (or their
director) came up with for imaging ideas. but beyond that... it's not that
big a deal.
but if you're really, seriously, way hardcore concerned about this
prog-rock-video issue, and you're willing to put all the work into it, why
don't some of you brave entrepreneurial types start another cable music
television corporation, if not to expressly compete with mtv, but to offer
at least an alternative? you know, bold capitalist venture, great
post-college goal. now that's kind of a far out idea, to say the least,
but it would accomplish your goal better than taking mtv. and nowhere, but
nowhere, will you find the networking opportunities available here on the
jam and related lists. hey, mike bahr does the entrepreneurial thing, as
does t-shirt boy and sticker boy (forget your names, buds).
anyway, i'd say stick with the appreciating the music as it now stands.
i've never been a status quo advocate, but in this case, i'd say that the
prog rock community is flourishing pretty well without mtv's help. and we
still have our integrity... mtv would suck it out like marrow.
ok?
peace out.
scott.
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:15:13 -0700
From: laussade@enet.net (The Ytsejammer from Hell)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Yeah, but..
Message-ID: <199512012315.QAA01476@maple.enet.net>
>A Derek song? I really don't like him at all, and will he even be in the band
>when the new album is recorded? Those of you who saw the HBB about a year ago
>with James and Mike recall that he was just replacing Kevin temporarily until
>they find the time to look for right man for the job.
Yeah, but it sounds to me like you wouldn't be happy until they got Kevin
Moore back.
>ahhh, a new mailing list to conquer
>
HA! HA! HA!
Good fucking luck, man.
Seeya.
BEN LAUSSADe
Ben Laussade
"LIE! LIE! LIE! LIE! LIE! LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" James
Hetfield, from Leper Messiah
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 19:47:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeremy Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: 2nd guitar
Message-ID: <199512020047.TAA06418@dogwood.grove.ufl.edu>
I think I agree that DT should have a second guitarist.
However, I don't think that should be a rhythm guitarist. Sure, it'd let
those overdubbed album parts get played live, but I don't especially love
those parts, anyway. A second guitarist should interact, build grinding
semi-dissonant thick harmonies, ala Queensryche.
But maybe Derek could do this. They'd have to write a bit more harmonically,
though. As it is, I'd like it if they kept the studio stuff somewhat 'live.'
But a second guitarist isn't a bad idea, once you think about it. JP's said
that he had trouble with acoustic guitar. So we should have an acoustic
guitarist, and then they could write meshed acoustic/electric tunes.
And none of this picking crap, either. We want a classical guitarists.
Five fingers beats one pick any day of the week. Listen to Strunz and
Farah, or DiMeola/McLaughlin/deLucia for the stunning effect of classical
guitar on jazz.
I see three problems: 1) Mixing so that the acoustic is audible with all
the electric stuff going on ... probably have to go with a steel string
guitar, but still, even though you can get a lot of volume from an
acoustic, it's going to be tough. 2) writing music that uses the classical/
electric mix ... for metal ... not easy at all. 3) JP's ego may be
hopelessly damaged from being upstaged regularly.
Yes, I'm quite odd. This, I think, is not one of my oddest ideas.
jeremy@grove.ufl.edu (SF net-anthology taking stories; email for info)
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 02:55:51 +0200 (EET)
From: Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Opinions, pinions,onions...plaah...
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.951202022440.5724A-100000@lk-hp-13.hut.fi>
Okie !!! See the subject dude !! Here goes !!!!!!:
(And HEY!! Let's not forget the IMO from there...)
1. No keyboards/ a 'rhythm'guitarist ???
DT without keyboards = Is DT WITHOUT keyboards, get it ???
Oh...err...maybe you didn't. What I meant to say was that
why take anything away ?? If you don't like the 'board sound,
change it. Easy enuff...
And what is a 'rhythm' guitarist ? (sorry if I'm stepping on
someone's toes here ! =). As I understand DT 'seeks the godhood
of their individual fields in music'. They said something like
that somewhere (abit modified tho =). How is a 'rhythm' quitarist
supposed to develop/improvise in the field guitarianship (?).
The only thing that would work for DT, would be the Iron Maiden's
Adrian Smith-Dave Murray type of thing. (Two shredders, playing
alternate leads with separate styles-well...at least sound-)
And in my onion there's no room by J.Petrucci on that stage!
Anyways, keyboards sound kewler too =)
2. Just like every good music, J. LaBrie took awhile to get 'into'.
When I first heard I&W I thought exactly the same as some people
here. But on Awake he's awesome !! The Man really USES his voice.
3. THE SOON (=P) UPCOMING, ALMOST IN THE SHOPS, ALBUM =):
Someone here suggested rap. Ack...ack...urgh...graah
What I'd wanna hear was something we haven't ever heard before
(No I don't mean the folk music on w. Mogabaiques or
anything). Ie. Don't take all those styles and make a song.
Mold to make a new kind of soound ! As such I think that
-MAYBE- I could listen even some ...urgh...rap in there.
And about Kevin Moore doiong Adrian Smiths (I think that
was 'Hooks In You' on No Prayer..) SURE !! Doesn't mean that
they should take anything away from Derek though. I wanna
hear that guy for real =)
In short: I wanna get a 2h cd that'll blow my mind (again)
Yeah...Thats it. Another example of what comes from writing stuff
at 3:00 am. =P
Karri -the verbal torso
kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi
Oh, btw. Any fantasy readers out there might wanna check out
Terry Pratchetts latest one, 'Soul Music'. It's hilarious ! =)
Ps. II: What is this (a newbie question I knoweth) <G> ???
*BLUSH* =)
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 20:57:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Shamus McConney <savage@grove.ufl.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.951201203836.24426C-100000@willow>
hi all.
just wanted to coment on a few things that have been flying around the
list as of late. 1st to the guy who was negatavly compairing james l to
yngwie. i do not know if james is as eragant a yngwie but if he is he
has the right to. both of then have the chops to backup what ever they
have to say about their own musical performances. 2ed i am totaly behind
the guy who said that if we want to make a difference with mtv we need to
target their advertisers. i am a telecomunications production/
broadcasting major and i know for a fact that every thing he had to say
was true. 3rd thanks mike b. for acoustic dreams. realy good disk. my
favs. are perfect stg. and lie. i would not call lie a boogie though, i
would call it upbeat jazz/fusion since it is not to a shuffle beat which
usualy charaterises boogie songs(i.e. satch boogie and all most anything
by zztop). my only gripe about the disk is not mike's falt, i gust wish
they would have miked the guitars and not use shitty acoustic pickups. i
do not care how good an acousitc pickup is you need to add air in there
to get a natural sound. that is the whole purpase of using an acoustic
guitar in the 1st place, right? i just wish that more bands would take
the time to mike acousics on stage and not take the easy way out.
shamus
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*"As I wake in the morning just to miss the sunset.*Shamus McConney *
* I lie here crying, but I know not why I'm upset. *savage@grove.ufl.edu *
* So I wipe away the little portions of my youth. *http://grove.ufl.edu/*
* Only to reveal another mystery and not a truth." *~savage *
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* -Adesso che ho perso la vista, ci vedo meglio e di piu. *
* "I was blind all the time while I was learning to see." *
* "Take the Time" -Dream Theater *
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Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 21:26:11 -0800
From: rickbond <rickbond@bluefin.net>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Dream Theater
Message-ID: <30BFE373.5FB2@bluefin.net>
Hello all...this is my first post in the discussion. I've read the past
7 or so "issues". I realize that I don't have to try to sell DT to the
people on this conference, but I wanted to mention how absolutely
incredible I believe DT to be. I'm a musician myself, drummer, and I can
play a little guitar, and piano, and when I listen to DT it just blows me
away. Of course, being a drummer, Mike Portnoy is the member that I
focus on a lot, and he totally wracks my brain when I listen to some of
the stuff he does...and even if I could play every DT song to a T...he
would still blow my mind at the fact that not only does he play it...the
guy wrote that as well! It just kills me, and some of the precision
things that they do as a whole, especially some of the breaks on ACOS
with drums and keyboards together...these guys kill me, and I hope I get
the chance to see them live soon.
Rick Bond
Limbo Cage
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 22:40:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: David Prater trivial info
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951201223438.26909B-100000@oak.liii.com>
I just picked up an LP "Ancient Medicine" by a band called Baby Grand.
It's a 1978 release and the band includes Rob Hyman and Eric Bazilian who
later formed The Hooters. It was produced by Rick Chertoff who went on to
produced a load of '80s bands.
Another member of the band was David Prater who, ironically, was the
drummer!
Anyway, Is this the same David Prater? And has he been in any other bands
before becoming a producer?
Andy
akeegan@liii.com
==============================================================
"Live fast, "There's only one way
Be a spark and glow awhile of life,
You'll be dead a long, long time" And that's your own"
-B. Geldof - Levellers
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Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 23:52:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Shawna Lea Adams <SADAMS1@WELLESLEY.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: FTP sites and LDTC :)
Message-ID: <01HYB7X64WYA9I4Q6I@WELLESLEY.EDU>
I was wondering if anyone has an address for a good music ftp site. I need
to get various metal lyrics (like Kiss and Megadeth...:) for a paper and I
don't remember the ftp site I used to go and get things like that and my
Helloween and all that jazz.
On a happy note (:) My web page is up...and I am open for more Dream
Theater links...considering I only have Mike Burstin's DT page for a link..
:)
My main page's url is: http://wilbur.wellesley.edu/n-z/sadams1/sadams1.html
.
Feel free to tell me what you think!
Shawna Lea Adams
drealla@spike.wellesley.edu
"Seize the day and don't you cry,
Now it's time to say good-bye
Even though I'll be gone,
I will live on"
-"The Crimson Sunset" Dream Theater _ACOS_
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 22:50:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: Brian Anderson <bda109@psu.edu>
Cc: Ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>, Jessica Yong <cydesign@aol.com>,
Subject: Breaking and entering
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951201224424.750A-100000@namaste.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear guys,
Hey there, I needed to write to you guys about something that's happened
for some time that I just found out about tonight. One of my "friends"
discovered what my columbia account password was, so he began playing
around and made some really childish prank e-mail lately. Anyways, if
yany of you have received any strange mail from my account, it wasn't
typed by me. But, I've changed my password already and everything should
be back to normal. I'll TTYL!
Yours,
Jeff =)
<<<==============---------------<<<<<<<>>>>>>>---------------==============>>>
"How...in...one n-night...h-have we come...s-so...f-far..."
--- Kim from Miss Saigon
<*> Jeff Chew <*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> (212) 853-6952 <*>
<*> huntkill@fermi.carman.rhno.columbia.edu <*>
<*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309 <*>
<*> Lifting Shadows : http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/dreamt.html <*>
<<<==============---------------<<<<<<<>>>>>>>---------------==============>>>
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 23:27:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Metallica doing Mirror
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951201232600.3961C-100000@namaste.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear jammers,
>>>I agree with another jammer that Metallica would do an awesome version of
the Mirror. But I think any song from Dream Theater would sound awesome
from Rush. The first time I heard Rush, I thought it was a new song from
DT. I'm not joking!
Heath Augustover<<<
I agree. I think Metallica can do it, since it is heavy and the fact
that there aren't any hard solos in it. That way, it will be simple
enough for Kirk Hammett to follow it.
Yours,
Jeff =)
<<<==============---------------<<<<<<<>>>>>>>---------------==============>>>
"How...in...one n-night...h-have we come...s-so...f-far..."
--- Kim from Miss Saigon
<*> Jeff Chew <*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> (212) 853-6952 <*>
<*> huntkill@fermi.carman.rhno.columbia.edu <*>
<*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309 <*>
<*> Lifting Shadows : http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/dreamt.html <*>
<<<==============---------------<<<<<<<>>>>>>>---------------==============>>>
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 95 21:02:05 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: A Voice
Message-ID: <9512020502.AA11337@tengs1.teng>
>
> My first post:
>
> I find it odd that a Dream Theater fan would want them to be anything
> other than what they are. Talk of removing the keys, talk of adding
> another guitar, talk of James as the proverbial weak link. I guess
> discussion is one of the axis' upon which our world turns, but I would
> suggest that the reason we like them is because of the chemistry they
> currently seem to have acheived. I was sad when Kevin left, but I like
> Derik. And with respect to the thread on Labrie's voice, I can answer
> that I did not personally buy their work until he took the mic. I won't
> say they would not have been as successful without him, or with another
> vocalist, but I could argue just that.
<<stuff annihilated>>
> I can't listen to backgroud music, it has to compel me and take me with
> it, and it's melody lines must course off the lips of a vocalist who has
> the ability to thrill me, not just with high notes, but certainly not
> without them. James' training was well spent. Everytime he sings into
> the masque mine does almost resonate with him.
>
> Peter Orullian
Dude, that was one of the most beautiful posts I've ever seen on
the ytsejam *sniff* You should post more often.
Zach
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Date: 02 Dec 95 00:17:08 EST
From: Michael Pomerleau <72064.614@compuserve.com>
To: <YtseJam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: MTV Ban of Advertisers
Message-ID: <951202051707_72064.614_GHB56-2@CompuServe.COM>
In a previous jam, Jeff Hochberg stated that they way to get MTV's attention
is through their advertisers.
JEFF...YOU GOT IT EXACTLY RIGHT. I am sick and tired of MTV advancing their
POLITICAL AGENDA, rather than playing music. On their MTV news show the top
story the other day was about how some abortion rights activists were being
sued or something like that. What does this have to do with MUSIC NEWS??? MTV
is PRO-ABORTION, and they use their clout to influence the younger generation.
Look at how they handled the 1992 campaign, with their favorable treatment of
BUBBA. Also, look at how they treat homosexuality, and Transexuality (RuPaul).
I don't want to start an political discussion here, because this is not the
place for it(in case you have not guessed, I am a conservative pro-lifer).
However, MTV could not give a S**T, or 2 flying #$*%'s( what we thought. Its
about time that we let their advertisers know how we feel. Politics and their
agendas should be left to CNN, The NEW YORK TIMES, etc... and MTV should play
all styles of popular music so we can be exposed to it.
By the way, can anyone tell me WHY MTV is willing to play FOO FIGHTERS 1000
times more often then Dream Theater? Is is because the 2 chords played are
really catchy? Or is the singers off pitched screaming really pleasing. My
point is that we NEED to do something, or we will forever be PROGRESSIVE ROCK
fans trapped in a world of CRAP (Oops, I meant RAP) and GRUNGE. Perhaps if we
let enough advertisers know how we feel, when some organization tries to
create competition for MTV, advertisers will realize that there is a market
there and support an alternative. It is obvious MTV will never CARE what we
think
I'll get off my soapbox now
Sorry, and on with the DT Content.
- Michael Pomerleau, Written 01-Dec-1995 @ 23:52:43
Using: Windows NavCIS PRO 1.62
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 95 2:20:22 EST
From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Bass? No.
Message-ID: <9512020720.AA02598@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Mark R.
Sequenced or not, it doesn't lose that human feel because I don't quantize
anything. The way I play it into the sequencer is how it stays unless I need
to make it machine accurate for club music drum machines or whatever. If you
are doing drums and fills and stuff yourself and not with a drum machine like
I do, then you don't lose that human feel. Listen to my sequences if you can,
and you can't so it's a dead issue anyway. But if you ever heard my sequence
work, it doesn't sound li,ke shit.
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 95 2:24:55 EST
From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Berklee is no fucking guarantee!!!
Message-ID: <9512020724.AA29733@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Stop! Stop! I'm drooling over Berkley. Stop! I can't stand it. Stop!!!!!!
The school I should've gone to except that it's in Boston centered around the
city and my parents think that my blindness would get me killed. and I didn't
think I was good enough as a musician. The biggest mistake of my life. and
here you are telling me about howgreat Berkley is. Damn you. Stop reminding
me. Monmouth University's music program blows balls.
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 95 2:36:36 EST
From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: "Morbid" Dt songs
Message-ID: <9512020736.AA18892@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
On the topic of Morbid DT songs, what would you call Space dive Vest? Or
some sections of ACOS? Come on. Pretty moribd stuff there.
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 95 2:50:33 EST
From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1167
Message-ID: <9512020750.AA01171@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Rebecca.
Trevor Raben isn't that bad. I like him. So he's poppy. Big deal. I liked
his writing. I don't listen to prog all the time, and some 80s yes is
progressive. Listen to changes off of 90125.
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 95 2:54:36 EST
From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Dregs
Message-ID: <9512020754.AA15569@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
When I decided to check out the dregs, I bought the Best of CD. Love it,
but am I missing anything. and as far as Genesis goes, I stole two CCDs out
of the radio station I work for (they don't use them anymore). And then there
were three, and another one with Follow you follow me or something I don't
know. Maybe I goofed on the titles and stuff, but I need to know. Is there
something I can buy that would sum up Genesis in one or two CDs?
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 23:37:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: A Nice Long Reply To Marc Respass
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.951201233657.113566D-100000@homer13.u.washington.edu>
Seeing as how I am still resisting the temptation of conforming to popular
activity by posting only what I dislike about DT, I figured I would do the
usual and handle something differently than the guy before me did, ie Marc
Respass. Hey, what can I say, I gotta be me.
> From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
> Subject: Berklee is no fucking guarantee!!!
After reading just the subject heading, I was suddenly hit with a flash of
inspiration for another wonderful story. See what you think:
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Marc Respass, McLaughlin Of The Ytsejam
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Marc: Issue #1. DT isn't a jazz band. They aren't jazz players. They
shouldn't play jazz.
Me: I could be wrong, but didn't they study jazz at Berklee?
Marc: WRONG!! BERKLEE IS NO FUCKING GUARANTEE!! YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT!!
Anyway, Marc brought up another argument that reminded me of an event that
will probably offend a few people. But considering who I am, what does
that matter?
> > Might I remind you that Dream Theater is comprised of three
> > men from Berklee?
>
> Big fucking deal! When were you at Berklee? What do you know of Berklee?
Okay, quick story. I'm sitting outside having lunch with several people,
one of whom is a born-again Christian. We'll call this person Hubris.
Anyway, Hubris is going on and on about a gospel vocalist named Susan
Ashton, and how absolutely incredible her music is.
I ask Hubris, "Who's Susan Ashton?"
At this point Hubris looks at me like I'm an alien from another world.
"She's a Christian singer." Hubris says. "You've never heard of Susan
Ashton?"
To which I reply, "No, I'm just a Roman Catholic. Guess that's why I've
never heard of her."
Hubris then gives me a rather silent, hollow look and demands that I
clarify my Catholicism, since I can't be all that Christian if I don't
know who Susan Ashton is. I field her questions, then proceed to remind
Hubris of the position of born-again Christians in the church as opposed
to that of the stupid, naive, non-Susan-Ashton-listening-to Roman
Catholics, one of whom is the pope himself.
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1. I'm a Christian.
2. I know all Christians.
3. I don't know you.
4. You're not a Christian.
Which sounded kind of similar to "When were you at Berklee? What do you
know of Berklee?" Sorry you didn't see me there, Marc. You know, I didn't
see you at the Moore Theater the last time DT came through Seattle. When
were you at the Moore Theater? What do you know of the Moore Theater??
How could you know about DT if I didn't see you at the concert???
> > Ever since I heard of their origins, I have always considered DT a
> > group of jazz musicians who decided to play metal.
>
> Which means that you don't know what you're talking about and have made
> many assumptions.
No, that's not what it means, and this kind of pissed me off. Marc, you've
made a few comments in the past that I disagreed with, but since I'm not
you, I guess I didn't feel a need to char-broil your ass. You have now
proven to me your intolerance of opinions that run perpendicular to your
own. So I have now made an executive decision as Controller Of My Mind to
flame you on any subject you raise in which you make a statement that I
either disagree with or (possibly) know something that you don't. Here's
hoping you get lucky and never mention any of the things that I know
something about.
> > Of course I could be wrong
>
> You are.
(light bulb suddenly sparks on)
Oh, so THAT'S my problem! Geeeez, I've been trying to figure that out for
YEARS!! Thanks for clearing that up, Marc. Just this morning I was
spreading mustard on my toast, and I swear for the life of me that I
simply could NOT figure out why the whole situation seemed so odd. Here I
am every day, yelling at people who use their turn signals, when it's ME
who should be using them... Man, I guess it really does take an outside
opinion to show a person what they're really all about.
> OTOH, anyone who thinks that someone is a jazz player just because that
> person attended one year at the Berklee College of Music doesn't know
> what he's talking about.
Look, we've already established that I'm a fucking idiot. And just now you
(quite scientifically I might add) took the theory a step further and
proved that I'm "wrong." So what makes you think that all of a sudden I
know what I'm talking about?
> OK. Sorry to be so harsh Steve. No offense intended but I guess I have
> to set the record straight ONCE AGAIN.
Yeah, that makes sense. I believe that. Here, quick impression, stop me if
you've already heard this:
"Gee, Soddom, your city has been destroyed. Sorry to be so
harsh. I apologize sincerely. Carry on as you were before."
> Like I said, you're either a jazz player or you're not. Knowing who
> Miles Davis is and knowing what a Lydian scale is doesn't make you jazz
> player.
I've only heard Miles Davis' music, I haven't read his bio or studied his
technique. And I haven't the slightest idea of what a Lydian scale is, or
what its purpose is in making me a more competent musician. So I guess I'm
a few notches lower than the average jazz player. But wait, you say that
even if I did know all about those two things, I STILL wouldn't be a jazz
player? What do I gotta do, sell my soul?
> I just can't see Portnoy sitting behind a kit with one small bass drum,
> a snare, hi-hat and ride and that's it though :).
Hey, if that's all he can fit into the bathroom when he's thinking up new
drum parts... I mean, his whole kit would require a bathroom the size of a
garage.
> Thanks for your time
> --Marc Respass
Tick-tock.
Wrongfu Vai
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