YTSEJAM Digest 1185
Today's Topics:
1) Subconscious Dub sites
by "Trey (T-Stretch) Allen" <tallen@junix.ju.edu>
2) Bad Traders listing
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
3) #ytsejam
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
4) Re: Jeremy Haynes (aka Sue Moran...) RETURNS!!!!!!! ****PLEASE READ****
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu>
5) Moore's demo,FW and ACOS
by Bekiaris Vassilis <el94101@central.ntua.gr>
6) Acoustic Dreams - M.BAHR
by Kris Claerhout <100522.625@compuserve.com>
7) A Change Of Seasons
by Bekiaris Vassilis <el94101@central.ntua.gr>
8) Re: Changes in DT's lineup, YJAM 1157 M.Bahr and other DT and NDT Related Stuff.
by coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan )
9) not preaching??? [reasonably long]
by fini@engineering.ucsb.edu (Paul T. Fini)
10) Re:'Jams suck/apologies/I'm being ignored here !!! =)
by Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi>
11) Nuggetman
by larsh@infinity-online.com (Lars Hellsten)
12) New DT Bootleg Guide Home Page!
by Gregory Slang <slang@internexus.net>
13) Re: MIDWEST YTSECON '96
by "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
14) Hear the drummer get wicked
by Tilman Kuendgen <tiku@rz.uni-sb.de>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1179
by TREX@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu
16) Birch Hill Show
by Ldyicefire@aol.com
17) in: bijgateno@students.wisc.edu
by E. Waldron <EWALDRON@RGSPS.WPO.UKANS.EDU>
18) Fates Warning
by ddinish@acad.udallas.edu (David Michael Dinishak)
19) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1179
by BURGER KING EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH <jccrowder@postman.harding.edu>
20) Re: I didn't write it/but you did say... a little DTC
by "Jonathan Byrne" <RRI02@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU>
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 95 00:55:39 -0500
From: "Trey (T-Stretch) Allen" <tallen@junix.ju.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Subconscious Dub sites
Message-ID: <9512060555.AA26564@junix.ju.edu>
Jennifer <DAT COPIES ONLY!!>
AirDance@aol.com
John Hough
srvrip@qualcomm.com
San Diego, Ca.
Mathew Yee
psifire@netcom.com
San Jose, CA
Robert Quezada
rquezada@monmouth.com
Central NJ
Trey Allen
tallen@junix.ju.edu
Jacksonville, Fl
George Bast
bast@babbage.csee.usf.edu
bast@suntan.eng.usf.edu
Tampa, FL
Marc Respass
mer@sol.iii.net
Massachusetts
Mike Backof
mbacko1@umbc.edu
Westminster, Maryland
polzin edward george
polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu
Champane, Illonoise
colegrego@urvax.urich.edu (Gregory Cole)
Richmond, Va.
Dave Delmont
kylania@top.net
Omaha, NE
Paul W. Cashman
vanyel@crl.com
Atlanta, Ga.
Dr. Teeth (David Peterson)
Glyde@Vax1.Mankato.msus.edu
Mankato, MN
Wilco Barg
WBG@GSS101.GES.GETRONICS.NL
Netherlands
ramin@cs.joensuu.fi
Europe also
sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
Germany
Andrew Garinger
garinger@pilot.msu.edu
East Lansing, MI.
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"Likely or not its a dream that we keep and at odds with our senses we'll
climb. But if faith is the answer then we've already reached it and if
spirit is a sign, then its only a matter of time."
(Kevin Moore of Dream Theater)
Trey Allen (T-Stretch) - tallen@junix.ju.edu -
http://www.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 22:10:54 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Bad Traders listing
Message-ID: <199512060610.AA18303@crl4.crl.com>
This is a great idea, but whoever starts it should try to keep a few
things in mind:
1) for each person listed, include a "history" section showing who
traded with them, the amount (or equivalent in merchandise) lost,
dates, and as much specific information as possible.
2) Try to keep it from becoming a bash-fest. It's possible the
listing could include people who -- through no fault of their own --
were unable to respond to trades. (Car wrecks, injuries, etc.) There
are obvious criminals out there, but in some cases "bad trading" could
just be "bad luck." People will take the list much more seriously if
it looks professional and isn't just a bunch of bashing......plus,
what if you were doing trades, got in an accident, and then found
yourself on this big hate list? Avoid libel; just include the facts
and let potential traders judge for themselves.
I think a professionally-handled list like that would be a GREAT
resource if handled well.
-- Seen my diary on the newsstand | Paul W. Cashman Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand | vanyel@crl.com It's a shame no-one is praying -+- Dream Theater "Voices" 'Cause these voices in my head keep sayin'.."Love, just don't stare."------------------------------
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 22:38:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: #ytsejam Message-ID: <199512060638.AA18698@crl4.crl.com>
Way cool; I get to mention Bafu Vai in a message and it's not even gratuitous! :)
> From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> > To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> > Subject: #ytsejam > > > From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> > > Subject: Further adventures of #ytse and #ben > > > > It's time to say a few words about #ytsejam. > > I second the time.
If anyone else who frequents #ytsejam wants to speak up, please feel free. This is a more DT-related topic than, oh, say, the strengths and weaknesses of Yes's lineup through the years.... (It's been done before; just read r.a.music.progressive.)
> > It's a lot easier to have a fun, casual conversation in #ytsejam about > > DT... > > when users and bots (like YtSeJaM) aren't mucking around with channel > > operator privileges, banning people, kicking them off the channel, etc. > > Really? I thought it was kind of fun only saying half a sentence, getting > kicked off, and then having to come back to finish. It adds a genuine air > of suspense when someone is in the middle of saying something, and gets > booted out of the room. Makes you wonder what they'll say if they have the > nerve to get back into the room, finish their comment, then tell off their > booter.
Sure, it's fun in a low-brow way. To each his own. I'd rather chat without all the distractions and acrimony. If it's all in fun, great, but some people might have trouble separating a joke from an affront.
> "Whoah! Bafu just got kicked AGAIN! Wonder what he'll say when he comes > back in?"
See earlier 'Jam, where the Great and Munificent Michael Bahr mentioned getting kicked out of #ytsejam. He thought it was a bit rude. Most new arrivals would, too.
> > The bot in #ytsejam, handled by Eric M., is too quick to kick people and > > ban them, and has an annoying habit of kicking people off when they're > > waiting for others to show up in the channel. > > All I've ever seen the bot do is show up and get kicked off by angry > people who hate ambient existences.
It kicked me off ("Idle!" kick!) because I was just in the channel waiting for someone else to show up. Gee, sometimes that's what you HAVE to do to start off an evening. Bots are fine for holding a channel, but are remarkably bad at maintaining a conversation.
> I don't want to name names, but a few > people seem to like the "kick" feature a bit too much. > > Ben Laussade.
Yep.
> > All this let's-play-god-in-our-own-sandbox crap might be fun, but some > > of us would really like to chat. Remember? Internet Relay Chat? It's > > not Internet Relay Abuse. If we all can remember that, and stay cool, > > we'll have a happier time. > > Did Nuggetman create the channel so we could chat? Or did Nuggetman create > the channel so he could play God?
Nuggetman created a bot, not the channel. *Anyone* can create #ytsejam simply by entering IRC and joining it. If it isn't already there, *foof*, there it is. (I know -you- know this, but many people don't.) Whether Nuggetman created the bot so he could act as God on the channel is.....a good question. I'll plead the fifth, since the bot, at last report, was auto-opping me.
> #ytsejam is nice because you can say things not related to DT without > people getting upset and flaming you, but the Ytsejam Mailing List is nice > because you can say whatever you want without getting kicked of the > channel, mostly because this isn't an IRC channel.
--But wouldn't it be nice if you could say whatever you wanted on #ytsejam without getting kicked?
Radical, I know. I've seen Nuggetman kick and ban folks for saying the wrong thing. Playing God? Not for me to say, but I wouldn't ban someone for anything less than outright sabotage ('invasions,' etc.)
-- Seen my diary on the newsstand | Paul W. Cashman Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand | vanyel@crl.com It's a shame no-one is praying -+- Dream Theater "Voices" 'Cause these voices in my head keep sayin'.."Love, just don't stare."
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:23:25 -0500 (EST) From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu> To: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: Jeremy Haynes (aka Sue Moran...) RETURNS!!!!!!! ****PLEASE READ**** Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9512051623.A16640-0100000@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu>
I say we just turn his lame ass in...he's ripped off enough of us now to make it justifyable as mail fraud...he's done it multiple times, and this kind of shit is NOT cool. Any other ideas??? (BTW he ripped me off too about a year ago)
---------------------------------------------------------------------- According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats: If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) (i.e. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4 sharps. StatisticZ show that if a person is born with Perfect Pitch, chances are they will grow up to be a famous...Baseball Player!!! :)
"Just Lighten up and listen to the Music" -Kevin Moore (inside joke)
Eric Moegling: afn22909@freenet.ufl.edu
emoeglin@mail.coin.missouri.edu
NEW HOMEPAGE!!!! http://www.wezl.org/NuGgeTMaN
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:07:58 +0200 (EET) From: Bekiaris Vassilis <el94101@central.ntua.gr> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Moore's demo,FW and ACOS Message-ID: <199512060908.LAA13232@central.ntua.gr>
Hi guys...
I was wondering whether anyone has ever heard Kevin Moore's demo... I was told that Zonder(Fates Warning RULE!!!!) plays drums and Tori Amos sings on one song...If anyone can tell what it sounds like and where i can get it PLEASE SEND PERSONAL MAIL!!!!(el94101@zeus.ntua.gr) Also any info about FW are welcome... Anyway whatever you want to say send it by personal mail because i am unsubscribing this list...The reasons are: 1) I don't have much time to read all messages 2) My mailbox reached the limit of 1Mb in one week and i dont have time to read and delete the messages... If anyone can suggest other bands (not metal) that play acid jazz/minimalistic or anything weird please write
Bill (el94101@zeus.ntua.gr)
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Date: 06 Dec 95 04:15:42 EST From: Kris Claerhout <100522.625@compuserve.com> To: <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Acoustic Dreams - M.BAHR Message-ID: <951206091542_100522.625_JHB92-1@CompuServe.COM>
re: Acoustic Dreams - Mike Bahr
Received my AD-cd December 5 on my birthday. Thanks Mike! Awful good quality! I have over 10,000 albums and cd's, but this one will get a seperate spot!
Kris - ICE 9 Media Promotions
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:32:44 +0200 (EET) From: Bekiaris Vassilis <el94101@central.ntua.gr> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: A Change Of Seasons Message-ID: <199512060932.LAA21801@central.ntua.gr>
Hello out there... About ACoS a friend told me it sounds like many pieces sewn together... I think the piece is ok.Especially the Crimson sunrise and Innocence are the greatest!!!..The only part i dont like is at 12:30 where they play a riff,then stop for Petrucci's solo...then again a melody and Myung's solo and again another melody and piano solo...This part really sounds a bit irrelevant...Ok guys..we know you can play your instruments:-)...Just dont do it like Malmsteen...:-) Anyway, if Mike's really reading this list,as someone said, i'd like to say that perhaps we shouldn't say 'I want nine songs in the next album.One will be jazz, another will be heavy as hell and a piano ballad in the end'. We are confining their artistic freedom..I want the next album to be whatever THEY want it to be and i want the songs to be whatever they have in their heads and their hearts... Bye bill
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 02:21:41 -0800 From: coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan ) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Changes in DT's lineup, YJAM 1157 M.Bahr and other DT and NDT Related Stuff. Message-ID: <199512061021.CAA21116@ix5.ix.netcom.com>
Dear Jammers:
Disclaimer: I was very tired when I wrote this so do the best you can ---
Maybe Kevin's equipment logos were deliberatly covered up because he bought it out of pocket, meaning he wasn't paid to endorse the keys he preferred to use. So why advertise for free. I'd be the same way. Now Mike P. is a different story, he switched from TAMA to Mapex and it was acknowledged in the liner notes of "Awake". I could be mistaken on this. It was just a thought.
About Scarred:
Remember what I told you guys/girls a few months ago about the complexity of Scarred? DT are good musicians but I think Scarred is strictly a studio piece. Someone said in a recent jam when they talked to Mike P. he said that the last time they played it was in the studio. They got in over their heads on that one. I'll see if I can find my earlier post on that subject and throw it out here again. That is one heck of a song and piece of music. BTW, it's probably my fave on Awake. So much emotion, so much of it hits "close to home" for me.
About personnel changes:
James is arrogant and needs to read the book "How to Win Friends and Influecne people" but he's an integral part of DT, he stays. Now Derick on the other hand, I'm still wondering if he can add that special something that currently distinguishes DT from other metal bands. I really liked Kevin. But to do away with keys? Absurd! Add a rhythym <sp> guitarist, again absurd. Maybe add some percussion flunkee like me to fill in on Met pt. 1 and some other songs :).
Responding to and earlier post(s)
Mike Bahr: (in ">" ) Chris Oats (in ">>" )
>> From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> >> Subject: My last public words on religion >> The discussion >> would also die out quickly if the religious nuts wouldn't expect it as their >> right to rub their religion in our noses without a response.
Michael C. says:
I'm not a nut Chris (although I am a little nutty sometimes. :)) nor AGAIN am I religious. If you only knew..... It sounds to me like you're under conviction from God (meaning you have not yet made the decision in include Jesus in your day to day life) to be so vehemently opposed to remarks made about God/Christ on this list. I know others share your view but a minority gauging <sp> from the number and type of responses I get to my posts.
>> After all, >> it's part of their belief to "convert the non-believers" right? feh.
> NO, NO, a thousand times no. This is the single biggest >piss-me-offer of all the non-religious arguments: that all religious >people have nothing better to do with their day than pursue the pagans.
Well of course we have to work and give our families our time and generally conduct normal day to day activites. Pagan persuasion <sp> on appropriate occasions. :)
>I mean, think about it: wouldn't that be ludicrous if it were true?? >To all of you who think like Chris does: readjust your conclusions on >this issue. The only MAJOR religions that actually go around trying to >force you to be a part of it are Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, and >Evangelical variants of Protestantism.
Well Mike I agree about the Mormons and JWs, its actually a part of their doctrine to go door to door and spread the Gospel to attain a certain status for lack of a better word in their congregations, although the aforementioned are cults and their doctine strays from what the Bible teaches. To you I must fall into the category of one of the variants of Protestantism because if I feel when I meet someone and the time is right or the ask me I'll tell them that Christ has a plan for my life and assure them they're in His plans too bur they have to be willing to recieve. "If you light a lamp do you hide it under a table? By no means you would place it on the table so the whole room would benefit from the light" My paraphrase taken from one of the first four books in the NT.
>(not all!) Most forms of >Protestantism (and there are dozens of them), all forms of Catholicism >and Orthodox Christianity, and scores of other religions do not "rub >their religion in your noses".
I try to be as careful as I can be when it comes to discussing Christ to non-believers. Before I became a Christian there were people rubbing "it" into my nose and it made me feel that I was inferior and could never know Christ because I wasn't "religious" enough. It's something to be handled with the utmost care and sensitivity. I'm still learning though I believe I've come along way. It's hard to impart this type of knowledge/faith on the net; 1. I'm not a writer or an evangelist, 2. a lot get's lost in translation, you've never met this "nut" face to face and an image is worth a thousand words. ;)
> I'm a Roman Catholic. It is NOT a part of my religion that I am >supposed to look down at non-Catholics or non-believers... it is NOT a >part of my religion that I have a duty to "bring them to God". If it >really means a lot to me that a specific person somewhere does not >believe, my religion says I should pray for that person, and try to be as >understanding as possible of their position.
Again I disagree Mike, I believe as Christians we have a duty to win people to Christ. I personally feel that it should not be forced i.e., I wait for the Holy Spirit to make an opportunity for me to start a neutral relationship/dialouge with an individual and then go step by step from there. Sometimes it stops before it starts other times a door is opened.
>In fact, that's the exact >same language the Pope also used when dealing with the issues of >homosexuality and such. If only he was that understanding on the abortion >issue... it's too polarizing for me to be a part of. But again, to >reiterate: we are taught to appreciate and respect their position.
Homosexuality and abortion are clear cut issues IMO, they're black and white, but I'll reserve comment on those issues to stay within the scope of this post.
>Do not condemn, do not interfere, and do not insist that >they are doomed to hell. Pray for them in private, on your own time, and >try to be a good friend when you can. That's it.
In other words "hate the sin, love the sinner", yes I agree with you Mike.
> Incidentally, most branches of Christianity do _not_ believe that >non-believers are headed straight to hell. In the modern doctrine, the only way >one can be sent to hell is to come into the fullness of knowing Christ and >his forgiveness for us, and to still reject even _that_.
Oh Mike, where did you get that idea? The latter part of that statment is partially true. The book of Hebrews in the NT speaks of coming into the fullness of Christ and then rejection at that point is damning. In my reading and understanding I believe that there's NOT an out just because one chooses to not seek knowing God through believers or praying or failure to read the Bible. Again any more discussion on this exceeds the intent of this post. >And we're not supposed to even get a shot at it until after we die, so it's not >something that's any of our business to press upon other people.
We won't get another "shot at it" that is salvation after death. I'm sure you've heard this before; "if someone's house was on fire wouldn't you feel compelled to run in and try to save those inside as opposed to letting them perish without warning?". I make it my business when I have the opportunity to warn people of the impending danger if I didn't I guess that would mean I didn't love them. "Love you neibour as yourself".
And that's all I've got to say about that, My momma told me "life's like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get.
God Bless,
Michael C.
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:14:20 -0800 From: fini@engineering.ucsb.edu (Paul T. Fini) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: not preaching??? [reasonably long] Message-ID: <v01530500aceb7adbe796@[128.111.29.61]>
>3. Spiritual - This is an area a lot of people overlook. We by nature > are spritual beings and have a need (though some of us suppress it), > to understand life beyond the natural. The natural being what we > can hear, see, smell, feel, and taste. The easy thing for us to do > is to ignore the signs that there is a God, but if you look and not > to hard they are very obvious. The signs of the existance of God is > beyond the scope of my commentary. Even one of our favorite bands > writes about the existance of God. You may say you are an atheist > but I KNOW deep down in your soul (unless you're not human) that you ^^^^ Huh? how can you _know_ this? Just because you believe you've found a higher being to worship doesn't mean that _all_ humans have such a desire. Such generalizations are the downfall of many a religious person's argument when they are trying to convince a non-believer that they are in the wrong. What happens if I state that religion is an attempt to explain the unexplain- able, and that for me right now, I am content if the unexplainable remains unexplained? Why is that wrong?
> know there is a higher power. In WFS "God give me the power...." > and there are other references that John P. makes as well. If we > don't nurture our spiritual person we will be spiritually dead. > Just as if we don't take care of our bodies we will die physically.
You've got to realize that that's just not a good argument. If I am a happy, productive person who does not rely on the belief of a greater being to be so, that is _not_ analogous to me not taking care of my body. Apples and oranges.
When DT writes about god, they are expressing their own beliefs, and in some cases, they are expressing their _doubt_ in religion as well. It's not like they're some progressive Amy Grant singing the merits of Christianity in every song.
> For those of you who may think I'm preaching - I'm not, I'm teaching > PLEASE make the distinction.
Sorry, but you _are_ preaching, and that's why I had to respond to this message. If we could all somehow stick to our own beliefs and not preach (or "teach") to others what they should believe, mankind would be in better shape today.
> God Bless You All, > > Michael C.
I apologize for low level of DT content, but this cannot go unanswered.
later...
paul
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 19:48:41 +0200 (EET) From: Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re:'Jams suck/apologies/I'm being ignored here !!! =) Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.951206194041.5571A-100000@lk-hp-13.hut.fi>
Hi ... a couple of things...
1. Has anybody else noticed these long and boring posts of how the 'jams are full of useless stuff... MUAHAHAAAHAAA!!!!!! I'm rolling on the floor !!! That is REALLY funny =)
2. Sorry for the subject in my last post...I'm a hypocrite =(
3. I am be...umm...that's been said already =) ...Well since noone answered me before, I'm gonna ask again and feel REALLY stupid. What does ----> <G> and ----> FYI mean ? I know, I know. But I HAVTA know....
4. I won't say anything about this God thing...I'm just TOO FUCKING TIRED. (Sorry for the obscenity, but this ain't funny anymore).
5. James DOES look just like Fabio ....urks =(
-= Karri.Kiviluoma@hut.fi =- Email: kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi < " Hmm...uhh...lemme think...." > < - metryingtofigureoutsome > < thingwitty&funny >
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:59:29 -0500 From: larsh@infinity-online.com (Lars Hellsten) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Nuggetman Message-ID: <199512070159.UAA10188@infinity>
Fortunately every time I've been on #ytsejam this idiot hasn't shown up, but judging just from his messages and what I've heard, I think something should be done about it. He's acting like a 13 year old (no offense Ben... you act older). We could always make a new channel or something. Anyway, he deserves to have his teeth knocked out...
-- Lars Hellsten <*> "Once I reached for love, and larsh@infinity-online.com <*> now I reach for life" http://infinity-online.com/~larsh/ <*> - Dream Theater
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:31:58 -0500 (EST) From: Gregory Slang <slang@internexus.net> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: New DT Bootleg Guide Home Page! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.951206213037.3092A-100000@micro.internexus.net>
Jammers,
I'm starting up a Dream Theater Bootleg Guide Home Page which will serve primarily as a guide to the many Dream Theater bootlegs out there. It is just underway, so I don't have all of them posted. The information I have provided is TITLE, DATE, CITY, VENUE, type of RECORDING, and SETLIST. Since the information I do have is limited, I would appreciate any additional info about DT CD Bootleg recordings out there. I also plan to start a list of the locations in which they've been on tour in the past few years, so if you have info regarding any other shows, please drop me some mail as well with all the info. In any event, check it out at:
http://www.internexus.net/~slang/
Hopefully it's a unique idea and will catch on. Here's my e-mail address for any feedback you might have: xanadu@internexus.net
Thanks...
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 22:40:00 -500 (EST) From: "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: MIDWEST YTSECON '96 Message-ID: <30C66256.B99D.020F.000@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
Count me in...all these East Coast get togethers make me feel left out... :'(
I wish I had $1000 to blow and spend on travel and a way to get to the Christmas East Coast shows...
Anyway, let's definately keep a Midwest Ytsecon in the works for the '96 "Album To Be Named Later" Tour in the Fall...
(Hey, maybe it could be called the "Raising The Knife Tour"... ;) )
********************IMPORTANT*********************** I just figured it out...Bafu is Susan, who is Jeremy, who happens to be Mike Bahr (aka Mike Portnoy)...I'm so glad I've seen the light... ;)
Dan Temmesfeld s1133627@cedarville.edu
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:45:56 +0100 (MET) From: Tilman Kuendgen <tiku@rz.uni-sb.de> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Hear the drummer get wicked Message-ID: <199512061445.PAA28402@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi Jammers, I don't know exactly if this has been mentioned before (it's not in the FAQ...), but recently I saw a video on MTV with these well known words Mr. M.Portnoy used in his drum solo (CiAW) during the latest tour. The song's called "Hear the drummer (get wicked)" (Doh!) , performed by Chad Jackson...just wanted to let you know...on with the jam!
Tilman.
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 09:36:41 -0500 (CDT) From: TREX@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1179 Message-ID: <01HYHDNN8S5EBQ9L37@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>
Please delete TREX@utxsvs.cc.utexas.edu from your mailing list. I did not subscribe to your service, and I don't want it. Thanks, Tom
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:38:47 -0500 From: Ldyicefire@aol.com To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Birch Hill Show Message-ID: <951206123847_126620122@mail06.mail.aol.com>
Just a little note to all of my favorite little Florida people driving up for the Birch Hill show... YOU GUYS ARE FUCKING NUTS !!! LOL!!!! But hey...what other type of people would I open my home to... To the rest of you who are driving in and are unfarmiliar with the Birch Hill... You can't see the club from the highway. All you'll see is a big White billboard marking a dirt entrance. Once you enter the parking lot..the guys who handle the parking are reall assholes so just ignore them. They have no idea how to treat people with respect. If you're bringing a short person with you..The best idea is not to go to the stage.. Stand ALLLL the way in the back and stand on one of the ledges.. Thats what I do at 5'3 and there is no better seat in the house! Untill Malibu and Birch Hill....... Love and Lust, Heather of Dragonlady
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 11:40:47 -0600 From: E. Waldron <EWALDRON@RGSPS.WPO.UKANS.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: in: bijgateno@students.wisc.edu Message-ID: <s0c5815f.021@POBOX.CC.UKANS.EDU>
hey benjamin,
I've also been looking for tabs to Under a Glass Moon, if you find somebody that has it, could you possibly give me their email address, or send them my way or something.
later elise
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:07:52 -0600 (CST) From: ddinish@acad.udallas.edu (David Michael Dinishak) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Fates Warning Message-ID: <9512061807.AA27879@acad.udallas.edu>
Hey everyone interested in Fates Warning...........
I disagree with whoever posted the message about Fates that stated their newer stuff is better. All the albums after "No exit " are not really as heavy as i was used to. "No exit" is really good and the earlier stuff with John Arch on vocals has awesome guitar work. His voice can be bothersome when he starts to scream but after a while it rocks. Chasing time is a really good representation of what Fates has done. Among the best songs on Chasing Time are guardian, damnation, prelude to ruin , and the apparition, all of which are sung by Arch. Don't get me wrong, the newer stuff is cool too, its just too mellow for my tastes. Monument is on their newest album "Inside Out" and it is a great song.
Mentally yours, Davegod
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 12:15:49 CST From: BURGER KING EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH <jccrowder@postman.harding.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1179 Message-ID: <0099A75D.0B4CA5A0.119@postman.harding.edu>
> To Michael C.: > > This is something I've wanted to write for so, so long, for a few months >actually. I am getting so god damn tired of all your condescending remarks >about people who use lightly (in your opinion) the word of god or whatever. >Take a break man, you irrirate hell out of me even by your inane "God bless," >at the end of your every message. I don't believe in god or any god for that >matter, and I have valid reasons for that. I wish you would just see that >people who are not devote christians and all that have a complete different >use of words. I use "christ" and "heavens" sometimes but they have no >religious meaning whatsoever. It sounds silly to say "buddha, that music >sucks". It's idiomatic. > I wish very much for you to shut up completely in god-related matters. >You're like a jack-in-the-box, popping up to defend christian morale and >everything even *loosely* attached to it at the *slightest provocation*. >Don't you realise that you're predictable and boring? Gee, man, if only your >signature was at the beginning of your messages I'd know what to skip right >away. > I think the bible is just a badly written fantasy fiction novel, but I >realise that there are people who see more in it. I respect that. You always >go on about the fact that we ought to respect your opinions and beliefs, and >we do. But why don't you respect ours? Who are you to say how we should >behave in religious or non-religious matters? Who are you to say that, should >any of us say "God sucks", that person is wrong? Why do you think people who >say rather un-religious things have any need to hear what you think of it? > Religion is, like music, a matter of taste. Some people watch eMpTyV, some >don't. Some people wear flares, some don't. Some people are religious, some >aren't. Lighten up, dude. Live and let live. All those messages you're >sending actually didn't stick to me for DT content but merely for religious >stuff. This is not the Godjam or anything. If you're right about all this I >will fry in hell. If I am right, however, you will have lived your life a >self-righteous silly person. Most likely, we are both wrong and I will fry >in hell *and* you will actually turn out to have lived your life a silly >person. > Then again, who am *I* to say this? After all, your opinion is as valid as >mine. Just keep your opinion in non-DT related matters *off* the flipping >Digest! I can assure you I will keep my non-religious opinions off the digest >in the future, too. Surely, not a soul is interested in it. > It's just that I was almost getting angry because of all that self-righteous >condescendence. I had to write this and shoot my load. >
Allright, but I've only one thing to say to all that, and I want you to really think about it : "Better safe that sorry." (wouldn't you rather show a little respect to God than risk going to hel?)
That's all I have to say.
Chris
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:17:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Byrne" <RRI02@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU> To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: I didn't write it/but you did say... a little DTC Message-ID: <m0tNOPg-0000SnC@donews.cts.com>
On 12/05/95 at 17:59:09 coghlanm@ix.netcom.com said: > You may say you are an atheist > but I KNOW deep down in your soul (unless you're not human) that you > know there is a higher power.
What?!?!?!?!? Even if this is true, higher power does not mean the Christian all powerful, bebevolent, all knowing God. It can include a multitude of things. And there are some people who, deep down in their heart, do not believe in a higher power. (My jury is still out)
> P.S. Jon do you celebrate Christmas or acknowledge Easter?
Christmas I acknowldge for what it has become, a cultural celebration of family and good will towards all men. But it really doesn't have anything to do with God/Jesus for me.
Sorry to prolong this stuff on the 'Jam, but I needed to vent my spleen. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "On the news, a nation mourns you Jonathan Byrne Unknown soldier count the cost. West Virginia University For a second you'll be famous rri02@wvnvm.wvnet.edu But labeled posthumous." -Fish, "Forgotten Sons", Marillion
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