YTSEJAM Digest 1192
Today's Topics:
1) Oh wait...
by Christopher Taylor Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
2) God discussions (NDTC)
by jtack1@ic3.ithaca.edu
3) TTT interpretation
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
4) He, She
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
5) Re: Sorry to clutter the Jam with this, but....
by An Angel's Kiss... <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
6) Reply
by Ryan J Benedict <rbenedic@gac.edu>
7) ***BIRCH HILL GET-TOGETHER***
by An Angel's Kiss... <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
8) Re: Preaching? Teaching? Gimme a break!
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
9) Re: Your one and only gripe with the God discussion
by eiagm@eznet.net
10) Pascal's wager
by eiagm@eznet.net
11) Re: No Exit, Lyric Quiz
by Benjamin Brizzell <brizzb@Sage.EDU>
12) Re: solo breaks are irrelevant
by eiagm@eznet.net
13) COLorCOlORCOLORCOLORcolor of hats on WWW
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
14) YTSECON II?????
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
15) Some stuff about Jam #1189 (Long post, MDTC, NBVC)
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu>
16) WDATU
by "Ryan D. Eschauzier" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
17) Fates Warning
by "Ryan D. Eschauzier" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
18) I wouldn't have replied, but...
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu>
19) Duh!
by The.Frayed.Ends.of.Sanity@enet.net (Ulutkesty Neb)
20) my two and only comments on religion
by Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu>
21) keyboard scores
by WildKoba@aol.com
22) Today's Ramblings
by larsh@infinity-online.com (Lars Hellsten)
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 14:48:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Christopher Taylor Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Oh wait...
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9512081441.A4316-0100000@as215-ws-10.UCSC.EDU>
To the guy who said that Zimmerman is a better drummer than Zonder or
Portnoy: Which songs off No Exit should I listen to? I've mostly heard
IGOD and to be honest, his drumming impressed me a total of 0. It
sounds`like highly generic drumming, unlike Zonder or Portnoy who do
what I call "Melodic Drumming~
And, just to disagree with some more people (whee) I still think that the 93
version of ACOS flows more than the 95 version. Lyrically, the new one
is more consistent, but musically the old one thrills me, but the new one
is only great.
~Chris
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\_||_/ Still looking for the Tree of Time...
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// \ | \\ p.s. Bafu Saves.
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Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 18:19:27 -0500 (EST)
From: jtack1@ic3.ithaca.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: God discussions (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.951208181424.203570D-100000@ic3.ithaca.edu>
Keep the God/religion discussions coming!!
It takes me much less time to read the 'jam now that I have all
these posts to skip over, and that's very helpful around finals! <G>
Jodi
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 18:34:38 -0500
From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: TTT interpretation
Message-ID: <v01530500acee798ea46d@[199.232.46.229]>
> I need a new voice, a new law, a new way
> Take the time, reevaluate
> It's time to pick up the pieces,
> Go back to sqaure one
> I think it's time for a change
>
> What does that mean? It seems to mean that someone is
> re-thinking their religious beliefs.
WHOA!!! Maybe. I mean, it could mean lots of things. It seems that way to
you. That's one of my favorite parts of that song and I have never ever
equated religion, in any way, to that section. I think it's actually quite
straight forward and could mean _anything_ but I'd be more willing to bet
that it's about the direction the band is going in (changing to?) since TTT
was written as a response to what the band went through [corrections are
welcome].
--Marc R
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 18:35:05 -0500
From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: He, She
Message-ID: <v01530502acee7a84de44@[199.232.46.229]>
> Well, I agree, mostly. Out of respect for females, I
> sometimes use mild, gender-neutral language (like he/she),
> but that's so I don't get a million women posting to the
> jam saying "I'M OFFENDED!"
But instead of "I'M OFFENDED!" they could say, "I'm not familiar with the
English language." A friend of mine said that this needs to change but it
hasn't happened yet. In English, as in many Romance languages, it is
correct to use the masculine when speaking of a mixed gender group or an
unknown gender group. he/she looks stupid and sounds stupid to say. Not as
bad as s/he though which begs to be pronounced 'S Hee' - just the sound of
the S then He after it.
I hate politically correct. So what if I'm a white male. No woman should be
offended by the proper use of a language. Gender-neutral is just silly. Let
the language evolve. I think women successfuly integrated Ms. into the
language. I like it. Lots of woman don't use it though and will correct a
man, "that's miss."
--Marc R
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 19:12:31 -0500 (EST)
From: An Angel's Kiss... <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Sorry to clutter the Jam with this, but....
Message-ID: <m0tOCvI-0000thC@crash.cts.com>
>
> >Later,
> >
> > Al Balkiewicz
> > vocals, Half Naked
> >
>
> I just have to know. Is your band actually half naked when you perform? Now
> THAT would be an interesting show.
Actually, its only the right half of us that are naked....
(answer we *always give when asked)
Later,
Al Balkiewicz
vocals, Half Naked
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 18:21:06 (CST)
From: Ryan J Benedict <rbenedic@gac.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Reply
Message-ID: <199512090021.SAA28307@nic.gac.edu>
As for the current religious discussion, believe it or not, I think this
IS, in a way, relevant to Dream Theater. Think about some of the themes
that Dream Theater has expressed in their songs. Some of it has to do
with religion.<<>>As for the current religious discussion, >>As for the
current religious discussion, believe it or not, I think this
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 19:25:33 -0500 (EST)
From: An Angel's Kiss... <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: ***BIRCH HILL GET-TOGETHER***
Message-ID: <m0tOD7p-00000hC@crash.cts.com>
OK, folx, here the's deal about the get-together before the
Birch Hill show:
It will be at the FANTAZIA DINER at 6:30 P.M.
This is located 1/2mile south of the Birch Hill
on Rt. 9 South, right next to the Marlboro Motor Lodge.
E-mail me with any questions...........
Hope to see everyone there..........
Later,
Al Balkiewicz
vocals, Half Naked
P.S. - This will be posted once every two days or so, and
to everyone that E-mailed me personally.....
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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 00:53:44 GMT From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Preaching? Teaching? Gimme a break! Message-ID: <9512090053.AA06766@saunders.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Ivan-Assen Ivanov wrote: > C'mon guys, stop that God-loves-you stuff. This is a DT list, ask the > owner if you aren't clear on the subject! Next thing we'll start discussing > Mac vs. Win, or Unix vs. NT, or Glasgow Rangers vs. Bayern (M). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yeah, and what a bloody disaster that was! :-(
Graham B. ______________________________ ______________________________________ |o o| |o o| | Graham Borland |:: | borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk |:: | Dept. of Computing Science |:: | http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~borlangw |:: | Glasgow University |:: | +44 (0)141 357 4033 |:: |______________________________|:: |______________________________________|:: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 21:11:20 +0000 From: eiagm@eznet.net To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Your one and only gripe with the God discussion Message-ID: <199512090132.UAA05641@mail1.eznet.net>
> > Could it be that we have far more scientific proof to back us up > > than you do? Perhaps you're starting to have doubts yourself. > > BZZZZT! Wrong answer. Thank you for playing though! Expecting to > explain/study supernatural (metaphysical) phenomena using naturalistic > (scientific) methods is impossible [by definition, you see].
Maybe you better write out that definition, because this is far from obvious. I can't think of how any phenomenon couldn't be studied by scientific methods. You say supernatural (metaphysical) PHENOMENA. If it is a phenomenon, then, by definition, it is observable. And if it is observable, it can be studied using scientific methods. If you had said supernatural (metaphysical) TRUTHS, then they might not be observable, and therefore, not within the realm of science, but rather logic/mathematics/philosophy.
> Zach (who's just realized he's a hypocrite for contributing to > a NDTC discussion)
I'm not a hypocrite (well, not in this regard:) cause I LIKE these discussions.
Mike Stover eiagm@eznet.net http://home.eznet.net/~spider/spider.htm
"Oh, irony! We don't get much of that around here"
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 21:11:19 +0000 From: eiagm@eznet.net To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Pascal's wager Message-ID: <199512090132.UAA05642@mail1.eznet.net>
> Richard Karsmaker's gamble: He bets his existance both on this side of the grave > and the other side that there is no God. He lives the spance of his life again > the duration unknown and avoids being classified as a "silly religious" person > or whatever labels and stereotypes are in vouge and handy. Against eternal > life without the goodness of God and the amenities God has promised US. Man oh > man, what a risk! You're risking a speck of time against etenity. You're a > high roller. I'd like to see you in Vegas sometime to see if you apply the same > type of approach on the Blackjack tables.
I didn't reply to this display of illogic the first time, but its happened again, so I will respond. If you believe in God based on "risk" of this life versus what occurs for the eternity afterwards (and BTW, this is formally called Pascal's wager), you are making a mistake. Because, by the same logic, you should also believe in every other belief system that has ever existed for the same reasons. If you believe in Christianity so as to "play it safe", you ought also to believe in Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Satanism, Buddhism, Wicca, etc etc. After all, these other religions are just as valid in their own right as Christianity. Another point is that true faith cannot be found by such a reason. Believing in God because it might be true and it would suck if you weren't "in" on it does not represent true faith. Pascal's wager is bunk.
> > If you were to ever meet me in person I think you'de retract some of the > lablels you have so freely used on me in your post. I'm not "religious", > or silly. Unfortunatly my intentions are lost and the color of my posts are not > conveyed as I would like them to be because 1. I'm not a writer and 2. a lot > of my messages come out in black and white and there's more to it than that.
Mike, I don't agree with your stances (I'm not Christian in any way, shape or form, but neither am I atheist), but I believe what you've said in this paragraph. You are a decent person, any intelligent reader can see that, but that does not prevent us from being annoyed at the subject matter of some of your posts. It's just the way it is. Far as I'm concerned - write whatever you want, but for your own sake, you should try to avoid being baited.
Mike Stover eiagm@eznet.net http://home.eznet.net/~spider/spider.htm
"Oh, irony! We don't get much of that around here"
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 23:08:52 -0500 (EST) From: Benjamin Brizzell <brizzb@Sage.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: No Exit, Lyric Quiz Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951208230728.12192B-100000@zeus>
On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Jeremy Lakatos wrote: > > "Now my wallet's getting thinner like the hair on my head > By the time I hit the 'Big-Time' I'll be buried and dead > Tell me how can you resent me for the money I've spent > On the only habit I indulge (that's paying the rent)" > > jeremy@grove.ufl.edu (SF net-anthology taking stories; email for info) > > Okay, "Bellyful of Emptiness" by Skyclad. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Ben Brizzell | "Through the cold land I walk, | | e-mail address: | Ice covers the ground, | | brizzb@sage.edu | I see no one here, | | Individual Studies | Or is this the hidden area of my mind?"| | Sage Junior College | - "Monolithos" | | of Albany | by Decoryah | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Check out my band, ANACHRONISM's, new home page at | | http://fire.camp.clarkson.edu/~rappazmc/pump.html | -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 21:11:20 +0000 From: eiagm@eznet.net To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: solo breaks are irrelevant Message-ID: <199512090132.UAA05639@mail1.eznet.net>
> > About ACoS a friend told me it sounds like many pieces sewn > > together... > > In a sense, that's what all long compositions are. But what you seem to be > saying is that it doesn't have coherency. "Pieces sewn together" is more > like a medley. ACOS has definite coherency. > > I think the piece is ok. > > I like it too.
ACOS hangs together as a piece of music incredibly well for being as long as it is. One way I think of the breaks between parts is that those are the actual seasons changing. You will note that thematic content changes at the season breaks, and that when one season changes into another tends to be times of fairly rough and chaotic weather. (thunderstorms of late spring, hurricanes and winds of late summer/early fall, last minute snowstorms in March/April).
> > > Especially the Crimson > > sunrise and Innocence are the greatest!!!..The only part i > > dont like is at 12:30 where they play a riff,then stop for > > Petrucci's solo...then again a melody and Myung's solo and > > again another melody and piano solo... > > he he. Those are called breaks. A standard musical device that usually > consists of all instruments resting except one soloist and only for a short > time. The soloists might be accompanied by a drummer. > > > This part really > > sounds a bit irrelevant...
Myung's short solo brings back some of the thematic content of the Crimson Sunrise. I wouldn't call that irrelevant.
> > Subjective. Certainly Dream Theater didn't think it was irrelevant. I would > surely be offended if you told me that a part of a piece that I composed > sounded irrelevant. Maybe you don't like the fills. That's one thing. > Irrelevant? I would have to argue that they fit that part of the song quite > well. > > > Ok guys..we know you can play > > your instruments:-)...Just dont do it like Malmsteen...:-) > > When one plays something that's a little fast, that does not (necessarily) > mean that that person is showing off as you seem to imply with the > Malmsteen comparison. I would also like to submit that you are not one to > be telling someone else what kind of fill he should take. I'd be interested > to know what you would suggest for that part. > > --Marc R
I agree with Marc. Technique by itself is never a reason to judge a song, positively or negatively. It is a tool, and if you don't understand what it is trying to accomplish, there are two possibilities: 1. It actually accomplishes nothing, and 2. You don't yet understand what it is accomplishing. There are many people on this list who would try to urge you to take more time and work to understand it better, because we think it does have meaning.
Mike Stover eiagm@eznet.net http://home.eznet.net/~spider/spider.htm
"Oh, irony! We don't get much of that around here"
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 22:20:08 -0500 From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: COLorCOlORCOLORCOLORcolor of hats on WWW Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.15.12.8.-10.20.8.492.17388@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
The picture on the WWW of the DReam Theater hat shows the "Line design" in a kinda yellow color. It is more of a silver color.
See ya,
Todd
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 22:24:10 -0500 From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: YTSECON II????? Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.15.12.8.-10.24.10.11810.18493@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
I am so so so so so sad I can not make the YTSECONII deal. That would be a BLAST!
Trey allen....you are putting this thing together? Cool...
It almost sounds too good to be true. Sounds like a good time.
Is airfair included with the deal? (my wishful thinking)
:(
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 23:38:21 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Some stuff about Jam #1189 (Long post, MDTC, NBVC) Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.951208232111.41524B-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
> From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) > Subject: Re: Your one and only gripe with the God discussion > > > [snippety snip-snip] > > <<ditto>>
And more of the same here and there.
> > To automatically call atheists ignorant is the essence of ignorance. It > > is also obviously a defense mechanism. Something about us threatens > > you. > > Heh. The same could be said for those who get angry when they are > confronted with the Gospel message. Fundamental motivations explain > impulsive actions.
1) First of all, I wasn't even talking to you. 2) I wasn't angry. I was defending my lifestyle, which had been portrayed in a negative light. Any good debate includes at least two points of view. So, now that you've joined the fray...
> > Could it be that we have far more scientific proof to back us up > > than you do? Perhaps you're starting to have doubts yourself. > > BZZZZT! Wrong answer. Thank you for playing though! Expecting to > explain/study supernatural (metaphysical) phenomena using naturalistic > (scientific) methods is impossible [by definition, you see]. Unless,
I'd like to know your definition of metaphysics. Here's mine:
[Metaphysics] is the art of wondering about certain fundamental questions... about what if anything are the origins, the nature, the meaning, and the unity of all there is.... Even though the scientific facts are to be taken fully into account, we are to venture the value judgments needed for giving normative interpretations of these facts. (Post, John F. _Metaphysics: A Contemporary Introduction._ New York: Paragon, 1991.)
> of course, you explain this problem away by stating that any > metaphysical questions are, because they are "outside" the realm > of science, *meaningless*. In which case, you're a logical positivist !>)>
Um, no. Care to talk philosophy? Ask WildKoba and Trey Allen what I know about philosophy.
> > Personally, I don't give two shits about anybody's religion or beliefs > > about deities. If you want to discuss then on the Jam, well that's > > fine. I understand that you want a venue. We are all supposed to be > > friends here, anyway. (Well, most of us.) > > That's why I've never unsubscribed after going through numerous > downtimes on the 'jam. (I do admit that the endless ACOS and the > BM threads were the worst we've seen) I think of a lot of the people > here as friends, even though I've only met less than 10 of you in > person. (Jen[niebear], tell Keith that you two are picking Brian > and I up from the Sac. airport when we get back from NY !>)> > > > Maybe you should seek counseling. > > There's only one person on this list in need of serious counseling. > (obligatory content, kinda)
I don't even wish to venture a guess. By the way, why DID you get so defensive when you encountered a post from an atheist? Remember, I'm here to help.
> Zach (who's just realized he's a hypocrite for contributing to > a NDTC discussion)
Um, no comment.
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> From: "Trey (T-Stretch) Allen" <tallen@junix.ju.edu> > Subject: YtseCon II update! > > ============================================================================ > YtseCon II Update -- GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!! > ============================================================================
Directions are coming soon.
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> From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> > Subject: NuGgEtMaN, IRC, YtseCon II > > Nuggetman wrote: > > I'm no longer babysitting IRC... > > Aha, I see. To you it was "baby"sitting. This explains much. > > > Folks, if Nuggetman is no longer "babysitting" #ytsejam then this > means the bot "Ytsejam" will no longer be present to hold the channel > open. (Most frequenters of the channel would agree this is not a Bad > Thing.)
I wish it were that easy. I was just there (Fri 12/8, 23:00 Eastern), and guess who else was, too?
-The Digital Atheist
*************************************************************** * Christopher R. Merlo |8^)= * * The University of Vermont, 211 Jeanne Mance Hall * * Burlington, VT 05405 U.S.A. * * cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu http://www.uvm.edu/~cmerlo * * * * "You can twist perceptions, reality won't budge" * * Peart, "Show Don't Tell," Presto, 1989 * ***************************************************************
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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 00:29:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Ryan D. Eschauzier" <rdesc@conncoll.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: WDATU Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9512090018.D4234-0100000@dsys.cc.conncoll.edu>
Recently, I've been getting back into the WDADU stuff and all I can say is I can't wait to hear James sing Only A Matter of Time.
Thanks to everyone who responded to me about Magna Carta. My discs arrived today. Everybody should definitly check out Shadow Gallery, Cairo, and Magellan. Someone on the jam got back to me about a possible Rush tribute. ALL RIGHT!!!!
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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 00:38:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Ryan D. Eschauzier" <rdesc@conncoll.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Fates Warning Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9512090039.H4234-0100000@dsys.cc.conncoll.edu>
Because of all the talk I am exposed to about Fates Warning on the Jam, it compelled me to go out and buy an album. I went to the local Strawberries and the only one they had was No Exit. I am pretty impressed, but not as much as I thought I'd be. As a DT, Rush, Yes, and Marillion fan,(also a recent Cairo and Shadow Gallery fan) what FW albums should I check out next?
Ryan
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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 00:47:29 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: I wouldn't have replied, but... Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.951209003327.192456B-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
..I really had no choice.
> From: Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi> > Subject: Aargh !! I finally had to say something ! =( > > > You, Warren, are precisely the sort of person that makes this world a > > more difficult place in which to live. It is absolutely arrogant and > > [Snip 'n stuff] > > > ignorance and hatred on this list, then something is wrong. Maybe you > > should seek counseling. > > > > -Chris > > Maybe not a good cut out, but everybody read it awhile ago right ? =) > What I wanted to say = Wow... WELL PUT !!!!!!
Well, thanks and all, Karri, but I am happy to let you all know that I have communicated with Warren via e-mail, and I completely misunderstood him. He was not calling me, or any other atheists for that matter, ignorant because of our views. Warren is a nice guy. However, take the Warren references out of that post, and the message still stands.
And now, for an interesting dichotomy...
> From: bjm3@Lehigh.EDU (Merritt) > Subject: one final plea > > Hi All, > One last time: PLEASE stop posting all this religious stuff to the jam.
I'd like to.
[rip...slash...tear]
> I don't exactly remember how this got started; I > remember a bunch of people giving testimonials about how Jesus had changed > their lives and all. Then, of course, came the atheists saying that they > were full of crap and just buying into the lies of the establishment or > something in their I'm-cool-and-grown-up-or-whatever-because-I-don't- > believe-in-God attitude (not to make too much of a generalization).
No, of course not. How could that possibly be viewed as a generalization? See, this is precisely the reason that I refuse to let this thread die. I am perfectly willing to call it a truce with those of you that believe in god(s). You live your life happily, I'll live mine, and I'll buy ya a beer. However, those of you that insist on propagating generalizations and stereotypes publicly are going to keep hearing from me publicly. Especially when those generalizations and stereotypes depict me, personally, as the bad guy.
If any of you care to come to a deeper understanding of my lifestyle, e-mail me. If, however, you wish to further disrespect me in public, I will continue to defend myself and try to stick to the facts as much as possible. I think that's only fair.
*************************************************************** * Christopher R. Merlo |8^)= * * The University of Vermont, 211 Jeanne Mance Hall * * Burlington, VT 05405 U.S.A. * * cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu http://www.uvm.edu/~cmerlo * * * * "You can twist perceptions, reality won't budge" * * Peart, "Show Don't Tell," Presto, 1989 * ***************************************************************
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 22:34:39 -0700 From: The.Frayed.Ends.of.Sanity@enet.net (Ulutkesty Neb) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Duh! Message-ID: <199512090534.WAA12612@maple.enet.net>
>Who the hell is Bafu, anyway? I'm still slightly new to this, and all I see is > Bafu this, Bafu that. Someone enlighten me, please. >
Bafu is God.
Ben "Quotes" Laussade
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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 95 01:55:28 GMT+0000 From: Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: my two and only comments on religion Message-ID: <m0tOJGB-00001PC@crash.cts.com>
I've stayed out of this discussion, and I will continue to do so, but I will make two comments:
<< TOLERATE, TOLERATE, TOLERATE. Intolerance and miscommunication are the two biggest reasons your society is in the state that it's in. >>
This is the first intelligent statement anyone's made since this whole stupid thing came up.
Secondly, on the same tangent: I'm a diehard atheist from day one. My closest friend in the world of six years is a very devout, born-again Christian. 'Nuff said?
Jaime the Dragon
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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 02:31:04 -0500 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: keyboard scores Message-ID: <951209023104_68114367@mail04.mail.aol.com>
someone wanted info on key scores- i will finish up my "wfs" transcription hopefully by the end of the year. just have to go home and hear what i actually wrote on my sequencing program. once i have it done, i will accept any calls for it.
still looking for any other keyboardists/others for help...say, perhaps, a project?? would like to transcribe ltl, tkh (from latm), innocence faded, and uagm. someone's gotta help me out!!
3 more weeks left!!!!
see y'all. peace out. david, el negrito kobayashi
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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 09:36:00 -0500 From: larsh@infinity-online.com (Lars Hellsten) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Today's Ramblings Message-ID: <199512091436.JAA27099@infinity>
YtseJam Hats:
These are much better than I expected (I was afraid the lettering might look like the stickers), although I'm not sure if I'll order one. My little personal beef is the blue bill - I would have preferred it if it was all black.
Ben:
My name is Lars, and if you call me Larsh it'll be the last thing you do with teeth in your head. :) I can't believe I was stupid enough to use a name for my e-mail account that's not my name or alias, but can be pronounced, and sounds dorky. I'm gonna try and get it changed to "lars".
Star Trek: Sucks! I'll try not to say it in front of James though.
ACOS:
>e are more returns to familiar sections. One section that comes to mind is the > "Malmsteen section". I am an Yngwie fan myself, but that section didn't seem >a necessary part of the song, even though it was cool in itself. It is subject > to what I would call the "Led Zep Syndrome". There are so many riffs in songs > that sound similar to Zep riffs, that the band is cited as copy Zep. In this >case, DT sounded a lot like Y.J.M. No one can play that stuff now without bein
Well, if that's your opinion, then fuck you. :) Is there anyone else here that thinks those 4 minutes or so on the original version of ACOS form the most kick-ass prolonged instrumental madness you've ever heard from DT? IMO that part of ACOS ranks right up there with the instrumental section of Metropolis (I just LOOOVE the craziness from 7:22-8:04, I'm surprised no one talks about that more, that's just incredible), the middle of Bombay Vindaloo, the jazz-fusion part in TTT, and the 5 minute instrumental section in LTL.
Like someone else said, I hope DT are saving some of the riffs in that neoclassical section for material on the next album. I can hardly believe they took it out. DT just throwing away such an incredible section of music as that would be impossible to cope with! :) Then again, the fact they just discarded it like that says a lot about DT. I mean, they could fill up an entire album with stuff that hasn't been on previous albums. For example, take Bombay Vindaloo, that part of ACOS (turn it into an instrumental), TLF, Eve, Don't Look Past Me, Moon Bubbles, Barfbag, and BOOM, like magic, you've got a new DT album! In fact, if they had released that material -instead- of Awake (or cut out half the songs on Awake and put that stuff on), I'd have liked it better. I can't believe they didn't include TLF or Eve on Awake. I can think of about 5-6 songs I wouldn't mind seeing them cut, just to put those on.
I've been trying to get one of Yngwie's albums (ANY of them!), but none of the 3 music stores at the local mall have any of his stuff. Well one did, but they were sold out. I'll have to remember to make a point of it the next time I'm downtown.
-- Lars Hellsten <*> "Once I reached for love, and larsh@infinity-online.com <*> now I reach for life" http://infinity-online.com/~larsh/ <*> - Dream Theater
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