YTSEJAM Digest 1201
Today's Topics:
1) IRC (what else)
by GHSRocker@aol.com
2) "The Mirror" at MSG
by Gregory Slang <slang@internexus.net>
3) I'm outta NY!!!
by Ldyicefire@aol.com
4) Believe it or not, DT! (A first for me)
by KWMadden@nyc.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
5) Ideas for What DT can do stage next tour!
by Rebecca Rankin <rlr@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu>
6) Re: LOTS OF THINGS, EH! :)
by Scott McCammon <mccammsa@cs.purdue.edu>
7) incoherent babblings
by kristopher long <long16@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
8) A couple of things about YTSEJAM digest 1195
by Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
9) Shadow Gallery
by Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
10) THE IBANEZ JPM 100 GUITAR RULES !!
by Paggen Christophe <940659@mercure.umh.ac.be>
11) LiT & Mike's drum mix
by Martin Spain <M.G.Spain@herts.ac.uk>
12) Reply
by Ryan J Benedict <rbenedic@gac.edu>
13) El-N-Gee Opening Act
by "mmetzger" <mmetzger@bostech.com>
14) WHY??????
by Timothy Adams <adamst@wasc.egginc.com>
15) JOHN PERTRUCCI IS DEAD!!!!!!
by LESNIEBD@udmercy.edu
16) ***BIRCH HILL GET-TOGETHER***
by An Angel's Kiss... <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
17) (U)Thread idea...
by "Steven Johnson," <svjohnson@amoco.com>
18) ATTN: AL BALKIEWICZ
by Skooc@aol.com
19) I'm outta NY!!!
by Ldyicefire@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 19:02:40 -0500
From: GHSRocker@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com, magellan@u.washington.edu,
Subject: IRC (what else)
Message-ID: <951211190210_51240549@mail02.mail.aol.com>
I now have access to the IRC. E-mail me direct and we'll discuss a time to
get together. Nuggetman, don't bother contacting me. I won't read mail from
you.
Later, George.
This letter is going out as a mass mail.
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 20:49:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Gregory Slang <slang@internexus.net>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: "The Mirror" at MSG
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.951211204447.14066A-100000@micro.internexus.net>
I was just watching the Rangers game and could faintly hear DT material
playing in the background. So of course I turned up the volume and sure
enough it was the intro to "The Mirror". If I sould exited, it's because
I am. I listen to the radio all the time and have NEVER heard a DT song.
Weird that the first time I heard it played publicly was at a Ranger
game. Oh well. Now I feel better that I was able to tell someone...
_____________________________________________________________________________
G R E G O R Y S L A N G
--- "Though we live in trying times, we're the ones who have to try ---
- though we know that time has wings, we're the ones who have to fly" - NP
E-MAIL: <xanadu@internexus.net> WWW: http://www/internexus.net/~slang/
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 20:54:25 -0500
From: Ldyicefire@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: I'm outta NY!!!
Hey guys..It looks like in the beginning of January...I'm leaving NY for
Florida! So NewYearsEve in Time Square will not only be a time for hanging
out with my new Ytsejam friends..but also a goodbye party!!! Koba....you two
better be hangin out!!
Well..till the shows...
Love and Lust,
Heather of Dragonlady
"Ytsebitch"
PS anyone who wants to hang out with the rest of us on New Years....E Mail me
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 21:18:48 -0500
From: KWMadden@nyc.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Believe it or not, DT! (A first for me)
Message-ID: <9512120218.AB07757@>
Ok, here's the deal, since no one has pointed this out, and I may
be the only moron to get RIP magazine anymore, here we go. There
is a review of COS in the episode (edition, whatever) and I am going
to probably violate some copyright law by reprinting it without the
express written consent...anyway, the writer is Sandy Masuo and it
is in the January 1996 issue. Go out and by it! (covermybuttlikeMike-
speak). Here it is:
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!! (Denotes two "stars" or whatever, out of five)
DREAM THEATER:
A Change of Seasons (East West)
This album is a double-edged sword. Purportedly
a response to perennial demand for a live ver-
sion of the band's demi-operatic rock opus A
Change of Seasons, it does seem to capture
them at their best. The problem is that at their
best, their greatest accomplishment is providing
a stunning example of why progressive rock was
such an ill-fated genre.
"Seasons" is a prog-metal epic in all its glory,
full of bells and whistles, bongos, pianos and
endless blistering guitar runs. The stylized emo-
tions run high, and James La Brie soars along in
vocal overdrive. The grinding guitar squalls are
broken up by spells of rococo swaggering, a
minstrel interlude that begs for a Spinal Tap-ian
drove of dancing dwarves and, finally, a fiery
recapitulation before a dramatic close. There's
barely enough time to catch your breath before
"Funeral for a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding" ensues,
followed by "Perfect Strangers," both of which
come off like some hyperbolic combination of
Journey, Elton John and Styx channeling "Layla."
The Led Zeppelin medly that follows is actual-
ly refreshing, thanks to focused songwriting that
keeps the chops-o-rama in check. All of this is
more or less aprelude for the aptly named "Big
Medly," which combines Pink Floyd's "In the
Flesh," Kansas' "Carry On My Wayward Son,"
Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody," Journey's "Lovin'
Touchin' Squeezin'," Dixie Dregs' "Cruise
Control" and Genesis' "Turn it on Again." Dream
Theater adeptly replicate each song seg-
ment... but something's still missing.
It's not that Dream Theater don't have feeling.
There's plenty of zesty rock-n-roll spirit behind
the music, they just never inject it into the music.
As with the vast majority of progressive rock,
when it's all blustered past, you're left wonder-
ing what the fuss was about.
- Sandy Masuo
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Ok, what do you think? Moron? Genious? Windbag?
-- Kevin (kwmadden@usa.pipeline.com) GO PACKERS...GO WINGS!!!------------------------------
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 20:26:41 -0600 (CST) From: Rebecca Rankin <rlr@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Ideas for What DT can do stage next tour! Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.951211201849.21903A-100000@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu>
In an attempt to get all this religious stuff off the jam, lets all talk about what DT should do next tour they have on show... someone already brought this subject up, but lets all comment on it now...
I can tell you one of the coolest stage setups ever was Yes's stage in 1974 on their Relayer (great album by the way, those who like DT's Metropolis jam would love it) tour. It sort of captured the whole theme of the album and yet it was really cool at the same time. You know the cover with all those rock like formations? Well it was like that, but the rocks had lights inside of them that could change colors. If you've seen the YesYears video you know what I'm talking about. When Alan White would hit his snare drum during the war part of The Gates of Delirium, the colors would all change at the same time and of course you know White really pounds away in parts of that war part. And they had all those weird objects that Roger Dean always painted in their album sleeves hanging around the stage.
Or perhaps LeBrie should follow suit with Peter Gabriel, Fish, and Geoff Tate and dress up in certain costumes. Especially if the next DT album is a concept album.
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 22:49:09 -0500 (EST) From: Scott McCammon <mccammsa@cs.purdue.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: LOTS OF THINGS, EH! :) Message-ID: <199512120349.WAA17072@sherman.cs.purdue.edu>
> OK, on to other matters... Antiquities is finally taking shape. > I've got one of the pieces of art I'm goin to use (it will either be the > cover or the tray liner (spine and CD case) I haven't decided yet. Scott > McCammon has given me a _great_ piece of work that I'm proud to be able > to use for AQ.
Just a little note: Scott McCammon is about as artistic as a corpse. Mike goofed! Will the *real* artistic Scott please step forward? :)
-Scott (aka Tolk) McCammon
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 00:18:13 -0500 (EST) From: kristopher long <long16@matrix.newpaltz.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: incoherent babblings Message-ID: <199512120518.AAA25856@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
Is the evangelists mailing list? - oops- this is the DT mailing list. My bad. You guys are confusing me with all this theology. I thought Bafu was God? Does that mean Jesus is Bafu Jr.? I bet Jesus is a big DT fan! I was thinking(hard to believe, isn't it), wouldn't it be cool if DT dressed up in Gwar-type outfits for the next tour? Or wear polyester leisure suits? Or maybe make their hair like that Rancid dude? Or for you big religious fans, they could dress like monks and cut their hair like Fryar Tuck? Now for a non-DT moment. Does anybody know why Daimond Darrel is now Dimebag Darrel? Just curious. Hey, DT should cover some Pantera, like By Demons Be Driven, Cowboys From Hell, or 5 Minutes Alone. Oh, wait a minute, I forgot it's impossible for James to sing that shitty. Don't get me wrong, I like Pantera, but Anselmo sounds like he was in some sort of boating accident or factory mishap. Ok, I've said to much, I haven't said enough. ---KL
"DON'T YOU KNOW THE DEWEY DECIMAL SYSTEM!!!" ---Conan the Librarian
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 02:08:54 -0500 (EST) From: Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: A couple of things about YTSEJAM digest 1195 Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951212003545.23060A-100000@solix>
> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 04:01:25 -0700 (MST) > From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com> > > Second of all. It looks like I _am_ coming up to New York for the > three shows and the Ytsecon and the whole fucking banana!!! YES!!! The
YEAH!!! Glad to see you could make it Mike! :) Too bad about the ski trip though. :(
> The IRC... looks like I finally made it on WITHOUT getting > booted, but my lagtime was furious... 5 to 7 minutes. I hope I didn't > The IRC's a total blast! It's great, even without Bafu Vai, but it totally rocks _with_ him. If you haven't visited #ytsejam, do so. Jennifer Aniston is there too! :)
> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 10:40:06 -0500 > From: acook@tiac.net (acook)
> Now I complain. I think the current guitar industry kind of...sucks. It > seems like very few people are intent on playing their guitar to the best of > their abilities. Everybody is being kind of lazy about it. In a current > issue of guitar world, one guy just about summed up the mainstream style by > saying, "One day I decided I'd never be Hendrix, so why try?" It's like, > it's ok to give up and write stupid songs since people will buy them anyway. > I think somebody who's adapted best to the times is Joe Satriani. He uses > his technique and knowledge to flavor the songs, not make a bland record or > a too flashy one. I think the food analogy works best... > You have to use spices to flavor the dish, too much and the dish gets > spoiled. However, not enough and the dish becomes bland and tasteless.
The food analogy is an excellent one. I enjoy a lot of different kinds of foods. I particularly enjoy very spicy food. :)
Most of you probably have a good idea of what I think about the current state of guitar music. But if you're interested, I have, IMHO, something well-thought-out and non-confrontational things to say. I'll be happy to clue y'all in if you e-mail me privately.
However, this brings up another point. The music press likes to perpetuate a "grungers vs. shredders" rivalry. Whenever a guitar magazine runs an article/interview of someone like J. Petrucci, Satch, Vai, Skolnick, or Malmsteen (rare as it seems nowadays), the interviewer always asks a question designed to generate a response like, "It's wrong to criticize technique! I'm damn proud to have a guitar rig that lights up with a million lights every time I hit a note or harmonic squealy! Those Seattle bastards should die!" Of course, our very own John P. responds in a mature, classy way, Malmsteen has taken the bait every time and launched into a lengthy tirade against the "MTV and McDonalds culture." Now what the fuck is that? Duh, it's the media again. They have to generate controversy. Silly me, I should've known.
BTW, my guitar rig only has FIVE lights.
Elliott Kim ekim01@fiu.edu
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 02:28:09 -0500 (EST) From: Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Shadow Gallery Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951212020901.23060B-100000@solix>
All right. I haven't really posted much in a while, and I'm buggerin' to tell the whole Ytsejam what's on my mind.
I picked up Shadow Gallery's _Carved In Stone_. The good things I have to say about it have already been said. I don't feel the need to make an expression of redundancy. Though I will reiterate one thing: "SG is DEFINITELY worth a listen." At first listen, I liked it a lot. I wouldn't call myself a fan yet, but I imagine the CD will really grow on me soon enough. Though it's safe to say to all the SG fans on the jam, "you've converted another one."
How 'bout them Dolphins! Marino broke another one of Fran Tarkenton's records. I started getting a little nervous then. <G> It wasn't too late for Bono and crew to rally at that time.
See ya at Birch Hill.
Elliott Kim ekim01@fiu.edu
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:39:49 -0100 From: Paggen Christophe <940659@mercure.umh.ac.be> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: THE IBANEZ JPM 100 GUITAR RULES !! Message-ID: <m0tPRLb-0001rhC@crash.cts.com>
Hi there you all DT fans ! Yes, IBANEZ has just released a new signature model : the JPM 100. I've just tried it this week-end in Luxemburg through a Peavey 5150. It can tell you it just rules. It covers the widest sound range I've ever heard. from soft jazzy sounds to the hardest metal... It was black with some kind of coloured faces on it, the little problem concerns its price : it's around 55.000 BEF, so that's around 2000 USD !! But if you consider the quality of the instrument, it's worth it... I'd like to hear from people who've got such an instrument or who've tried it once in their life ! I personnaly own a 540s from Ibanez, I used to think it was a very good guitar but since then I cant stop dreaming about the JPM100. ( By the way, the meaning of JPM is John Petrucci Model ! )
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 12:00:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Spain <M.G.Spain@herts.ac.uk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: LiT & Mike's drum mix Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951212115440.14785D-100000@altair.herts.ac.uk>
To the guy who complained about Mike's drum mix on the LiT video:
I hadn't actually noticed that Mike had his drums mixed in reverse, but here's an idea: Maybe he had them mixed that way so that they they came out of the PA mixed the way he hears them, i.e. floor toms from the right channel, snare from the left etc.
Just a thought.
Mart
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 14:20:22 (GMT-0600) From: Ryan J Benedict <rbenedic@gac.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Reply Message-ID: <199512122020.OAA11008@shadow.gac.edu>
>>What's so different between the internal conflict presented in Dream Theater's lyrics and the interal conflict within the Ytsejam over God?
The difference is is that the list is not a place to sort out personal religious feelings, its not a place where you try to "teach" people about your religious feelings, nor is it a place to learn about who God is.
>>As for the current religious discussion, believe it or not, I think this IS, in a way, relevant to Dream Theater. Think about some of the themes that Dream Theater has expressed in their songs. Some of it has to do with religion.<<
I don't think it does. I seem to find fault in this kind of reasoning. This is like saying that (with relation to the current religion discussion) that because JP owns a dog that talking about dogs is okay to talk about on the list. True, when we talk about God (more specifically religion) with COMPARISON to Dream Theater lyrics this should be acceptable just as it has in the past. However, the current discussion of religion/God on the jam is talking about Christianity and completely unrelated DT topics. Religion and DT = good. Religion/God & personal religious feelings (that aren't pertinent to the DT topic at hand) = not good/unacceptable for a DREAM THEATER LIST.
Ryan Benedict
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Date: 12 Dec 1995 09:28:55 -0500 From: "mmetzger" <mmetzger@bostech.com> To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: El-N-Gee Opening Act Message-ID: <n1393361771.76425@macsmtp>
Received a promotional flyer from the El-N-Gee and on it, it states that the opening act for DT on 12/27 will be "Pleasure Crush". Never heard of them, has anyone ?? If they suck, I am not going .....
BTW, I think that I have an extra ticket for the show (New London CT). I have been promised that I will receive the tix asap, but I do not actually have them in hand. Additionally, the manager said that it will be marked as 21+ and is sold at the new special door price of (bend over) $15. If someone is interested in it, let me know (Bahr, Warren ??). Will sell it at cost. If you are between 18 and 21, you could always get this ticket and exchange it with someone who purchased their ticket when the tickets stated 18+. Please e-mail me privately.
Later, Mark Metzger mmetzger@bostech.com
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 09:59:09 -0500 From: Timothy Adams <adamst@wasc.egginc.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: WHY?????? Message-ID: <s0cd50b8.087@wasc.egginc.com>
Why do I keep getting digest # 1190. I get it every freaking hour!!! I had 50 of them in my mailbox Monday morning!!! HELP!!!!!!!!
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 11:22:58 -0500 From: LESNIEBD@udmercy.edu To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: JOHN PERTRUCCI IS DEAD!!!!!! Message-ID: <s0cd67d6.039@udmercy.edu>
Sorry about the subject....just wanted to grab all of your attention.
First things first...last time I checked, this was called the "Ytsejam"....unless I am mistaken, that refers to DREAM THEATER. Nowhere in that title does it say God (although reading it backwards you do get Majesty...) or anything spiritual. As many other people have said, I'm sure that there are other places for you all to go if you want to preach what you feel is the good word. But I think that in the last ten posts I may have found three or four messages worth reading. This is because all of you GOD DAMN BIBLE TOTING ASSHOLES KEEP TYING UP THE FUCKING JAM!!!!! GO HOME AND PRAY TO YOUR PAGAN GODS IF YOU MUST, BUT LEAVE US THE HELL ALONE!! WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS!!!! Besides, everyone has their own set ideas and there's no way that anyone is going to be able to change anyone else's mind. So PLEASE....leave the bible at home.
On to better things: Congrats to the few who took a stab at my last lyrical challenge and found out that it was indeed "Gimme the Prize" by Queen. Of course I must now move on to another lyrical challenge...even you bible toters will like it:
"Tell me Jesus, are you angry? One more sheep has just gone astray A hardening of hearts turning to stone Wandering off so far from home"
Good luck to you all on that one. Now back to the old subject at hand. I understand that there is no new DT material to talk about since the new album isn't out and their next couple of shows aren't for awhile yet, but I was under the impression that we could talk about other Prog bands here as well. Isn't that a little better than all this God bullshit? I'm not trying to flame one person in particular because I'm sure he/she who started this whole thing never thought it would get this far out of control, but when I joined the Jam (#1153), it was filled with interesting material and INTERESTING debate...there were no debates that went on for weeks at a time.
So in closing I just want to say one more time....PLEASE leave your crucifix on the end table and let's bring DT back to the Jam....
Soup
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 11:35:16 -0500 (EST) From: An Angel's Kiss... <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: ***BIRCH HILL GET-TOGETHER*** Message-ID: <m0tPXfp-0000oXC@donews.cts.com>
> > > > OK, folx, here the's deal about the get-together before the > > Birch Hill show: > > > > > > PLACE: The FANTAZIA DINER > > > > TIME: 6:30 P.M. or anytime after... > > > > This is located 1/2mile south of the Birch Hill > > on Rt. 9 South, right next to the Marlboro Motor Lodge. > > > > > > If you have directions to the Birch Hill, you should have no > > problem whatsoever getting to this place, considering its 1/2 mile > > down further..... > > > > > > E-mail me with any questions........... > > > > > > > > Hope to see everyone there.......... > > > > > > Later, > > > > Al Balkiewicz > > vocals, Half Naked > > > > P.S. - This will be posted once every two days or so on the list. > > > > P.P.S. - No lynch mobs, please. > > -- > @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ > | | > | Have you stood at the edge of the world | > | Where the sea and sky collide | > | And looked up to a distant horizon | > | and dreamed of drifting away....... | > | | > #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& > | balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu abalkiew@vaxa.stevens-tech.edu | > %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$%
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Date: 12 Dec 1995 16:51:16 GMT From: "Steven Johnson," <svjohnson@amoco.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: (U)Thread idea... Message-ID: <199512122301.AA14552@interlock.amoco.com>
Someone had noted they were looking for people to round out their DT tribute band. What are Jammers' feelings on these kinds of bands. I know this had been discussed on the Ryche's SiD, but I don't remember it being here. Some bands (like the Ryche) can't stand tribute bands, seeing them as rip-off artists. My opinion is mixed. Some are truly entertaining and many are blow-offs. Your thoughts?
Also, PLEASE sned me an e-mail if you're interested on getting a Midwest Ytsecon infrastructure going. Who knows when it'll be needed, but it's a good idea to begin logistics. I'm in Chicago and I saw someone post from Milwaukee. Let's at least talk about it off the Jam. LATER-
Steve
*************************************************************** "I ain't gonna be no repo man!" "Too late.....you already are." ***************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:37:28 -0500 From: Skooc@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: ATTN: AL BALKIEWICZ
ATTENTION AL BALKIEWICZ,
HEY AL ! THERE'S A PERSON ON THE JAM WHO YOU HAVE OWED SOME STUFF
FOR ABOUT TEN MONTHS NOW !!!!!! WILL YOU PLEASE SEND IT TO HIM
ALREADY !!!!!!!!
Scott Cook
(sorry for all the caps. I was trying to get his attention.)
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 20:54:25 -0500 From: Ldyicefire@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: I'm outta NY!!!
Hey guys..It looks like in the beginning of January...I'm leaving NY for Florida! So NewYearsEve in Time Square will not only be a time for hanging out with my new Ytsejam friends..but also a goodbye party!!! Koba....you two better be hangin out!! Well..till the shows... Love and Lust, Heather of Dragonlady "Ytsebitch" PS anyone who wants to hang out with the rest of us on New Years....E Mail me
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