YTSEJAM Digest 682
Today's Topics:
1) How I got into DT.
by Ricky Booth <rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com>
2) Kevin Moore: Music Meant To Be Heard
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
3) Re: Awake
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
4) Re: You bash mine...I'll bash yours...and singers
by James Bako <jbako01@barney.poly.edu>
5) Re: Early Genesis...
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
6) Re: FW
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
7) Re: FW
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
8) digest
by Ricky Booth <rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com>
9) Re: Divine Regale
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
10) Re: your mail
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
11) Least Favorite Song
by QUIS CUSTODIET IPSOS CUSTODES <bolanddt@bigvax.alfred.edu>
12) Re: listening to Fates...
by Hailey <pass@u.washington.edu>
13) A Crack In The Mirror
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
14) Re: Lie single
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
15) Re: Least Favorite Song
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
16) Fates...wake up people
by PARALLELS@aol.com
17) Re: Lie single
by Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
18) Re: DT favorite albums
by James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
19) Bill Ward CD
by TOM.INMAN%MSFC26PO@x400gw.msfc.nasa.gov
20) Marillion
by "Olaf Peters" <olf@informatik.uni-bremen.de>
21) eMpTyV
by Mats Rydstr\vm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
22) Galactic Cowboys ( no DT )
by q94hg@thn.htu.se (Henrik Gustafsson)
23) Album Rankings...
by Shawna Lea of the Many Nicknames <SADAMS1@WELLESLEY.EDU>
24) AWAKE production
by Adam Soudure <gillius@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 16:21:32 -0600 (CST)
From: Ricky Booth <rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: How I got into DT.
Message-ID: <199502032221.QAA22278@galaxy.galstar.com>
I've been a lurker on here for months, but I've gotten bored lately and
decided to post more.
A while back people were talking about how the first heard DT (and got
addicted to it. <g>)
I first heard it, well, actually, saw DT at a friends house.
My friend was a DT fan and had the LiT video. When I came over he and
another friend were watching it and it was on Ytse Jam. I was instantly
hooked. I loved that groove! So I had him make me a tape w/ Ytse Jam on
it, and various other stuff from I&W and LaTM. I listened to that tape in
my car for a year or so before I finally went an got my first DT cd,
I&W, then Awake, then WDADU.
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:31:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam SERVER)
Subject: Kevin Moore: Music Meant To Be Heard
Message-ID: <199502032231.RAA17351@beryl.cs.brandeis.edu>
Well, I guess that the time has arrived... I have recieved my copy of
the Kevin Moore demos today, so the dubs begin... :)
I am just listening to his demo for SDV right now... I really sound
strange hearing Kevin sing on it rather than James... The 1st sample
is the same as on Awake... but the rest of them are different...
Also, it sound pretty clearly on here that the sounds between samples
are supposed to be channels changing... Anyway, I will probably
listen and dub for alot of the weekend, b/c we are supposed to be
attacked up here by a winter storm, so I don't know if I'll be able to
go out at all... So, anyway, I guess for now, I will do dubs for the
1st 10 people that mail me... Because this is going to be a regional
dubbing project, please email me ONLY if you are in the Boston area...
possibly all of Mass... For the rest of you, there will be dub sites
in your area pretty soon...
--
+----------------------------------------+----------------+---------+
| And I'll smile and learn to pretend | Dream Theater | Michael |
| And I'll never be open again | Space Dye Vest | Burstin |
| And I'll have no more dreams to defend |-----Awake------+---------+
| And I'll never be open again | Pittsburgh Penguins: 6-0 |
+----------------------------------------+--------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
http://cs.brandeis.edu/USER/UGRAD/mikeb/home.html
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Date: Fri, 03 Feb 95 16:02:42 PST
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Awake
Message-ID: <9501037918.AA791852716@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
Dan Kenny wrote...
>Excuse me, could we get a couple more guitarists writing in here?
OK... :)
>That's 1 reason I got turned on to DT early; the band is _5_ virtuosos.
Exactly why I loved I&W so much, each member stood out as an individual but
also blended together enough to make the whole thing sound like a BAND (not just
a bunch of soloists).
>But let's face it: they know where their bread is buttered, and Mr. P. really
>stepped up on this album, both lyrically & musically, (imagerally & wordally?)
>and Kev. was left to contribute mostly atmosphere, which I must admit is
>precisely where I like the keyboards. Which is why late-80's Rush didn't do as
>much for me as older stuff.
I think there are some good keyboard parts on Awake, but they are harder to
discern than that on I&W. I don't know if that was the sole reason for KM's
departure (I think that if he was really unhappy with his role during recording
he might have left before it was finished, or increased his input to the
project). It probably had more to do with the overall direction the band was
taking.
>Look at the recent postings from all you keyboard guys: all you talk
>about on the recent album is SDV. It's the only place where the guitar is not
>in the forefront.
True, but SDV is really an amazing song anyway!
>Now everyone is going to have their own favorite songs, and lyrics, and
>instruments, and tones. (Speaking of which, my one complaint about JP is he
>w/ few exceptions, only has one electric tone).
I had read in some guitar mag. that he thought that he varied his sound
from song to song on Awake and had only one guitar sound for all of I&W. But
I see where you are coming from, its hard for my ears to really tell a major
difference in his electric tone as well.
>I also wish Myung would step out a bit more; his featured parts in 6:00 & LS...
>make me want more,
Here, here... when I saw them live I spent more time watching what JM was
doing on bass than I did watching JP (whom I thought I would pay the most
attention to, being a guitarist and all).
> but look: he is content to stay towards the back a bit, and Kevin wasn't. For
>better or worse, Awake is Petrucci's show.
I think that JM realizes that the bass is not a prime instrument to carry
the melody of song, but he comes up with some amazing parts that pass you by
(unless you are listening specifically for the bass).
I have to say that even with all of the critiquing of DT going on here
(and I know it is just because everyone here is captivated by their
music), DT is by far one of the best things to happen to modern music
in quite some time.
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| Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation |
| Office (email only): 2n18004@ccmail.emis.hac.com |
| Home: mkizer@indirect.com <Tucson, Arizona> |
| "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chos." --Rush |
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 19:59:56 -0500 (EST)
From: James Bako <jbako01@barney.poly.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: You bash mine...I'll bash yours...and singers
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502031908.A10237-0100000@barney>
On Fri, 3 Feb 1995, Mats Rydstrvm wrote:
> GT and JLB but I think Chris Cornell of Soundgarden fits there as well.
> Apart from being probably one of the best songwriters right now, he's
> also got impressive range and a very dynamic voice, never sounding like a
> wussie even when singing softly. He does do it well live and most
I'm going to have to disagree here. Although I really like Soundgarden a
lot, of all the gigs and bootlegs I've seen/heard, I must say that
Cornell, while a great singer, gets worn out real easily live; has
trouble reaching notes, voice cracks to the point where he has to scream
instead of sing, etc. James LaBrie he is not :)
My 0.01999998 cents, (pentium error)
James Bako
jbako01@barney.poly.edu
Polytechnic University
Brooklyn, New York
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 18:28:19 -0600 (CST)
From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Early Genesis...
Message-ID: <199502040028.SAA24104@galaxy.galstar.com>
> Yeah, most of the early Genesis stuff is fantastic! :-) If you do
> go out and buy the other Genesis CDs now, be sure to get the remastered
> versions. There should be an obvious silver sticker on the CD which says
> that it's the remastered version of the album. "Trespass", "Nursery Crime"
> and "Foxtrot" were all made to sound *much* better through the remastering.
> My other favorites of the early Genesis are "Foxtrot" and "Selling
> England by the Pound". "Foxtrot" is worth it just to hear the 23 minute
> song "Supper's Ready". Wonderful stuff!
23 minutes? *drool* :) Wow, I'm itching to buy some more of their CDs and
guess what? Pay check time in a few days!
> BTW, William, how did you like Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick"? It
> took me a little while to get into that album, but now it's one of my very
> favorites. It has a kind of subtle power that reveals itself with many
> listens. I can never seem to get tired of it.
I got into right away, I really like it! The singing is exceptional, the
lyrics are great, and the music is varied yet whole. A real masterpiece.
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 18:38:09 -0600 (CST)
From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: FW
Message-ID: <199502040038.SAA24223@galaxy.galstar.com>
> What can I say? Some will never learn... or clear the wax out of their
> ears... passive listening is ingrained, active listening is a skill
> learned by FEW...
It is learned by FEW because you have to know what to listen for.
For example, I can hear lots of things some non-musicans can't because
they just don't know what to listen for. This is a natural function for
the human brain. If two people are speaking a foreign language you mind
tends to block out the people talking and concentrate on other things.
Just while I can hear things in songs other people can't, I can really
appricate what most drummers do because I don't know their language. I
can hear the beat, and I can hear the drums, but I can't really hear what
they're playing and I don't understand when they do something complex
(unless it is something in your face along the lines of Portnoy.) Make any
sense?
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 18:39:08 -0600 (CST)
From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: FW
Message-ID: <199502040039.SAA24238@galaxy.galstar.com>
>
> > I have to agree with Rob, I think FW sux.
> >
> > I gave them a chance. I listened to them for about a half an
> > hour. And I'll I got was a head from listening to the singer dip and
>
> Really?!? You got some HEAD from a CD? Damn! I have to beg and
> plead with my girlfriend for a week, then wine and dine her all night,
> just to get head once. Which Cd was it... I'm BUYING it!
>
Sorry, I must get my alt.sex "me too" in.
me too.
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 19:05:37 -0600 (CST)
From: Ricky Booth <rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: digest
Message-ID: <199502040105.TAA24662@galaxy.galstar.com>
Pardon me for being a newbie, but I'd like to receive ytsejam in
non-digest format, or individual messages. How would I go about doing that?
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 19:21:52 -0600 (CST)
From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Divine Regale
Message-ID: <199502040121.TAA25019@galaxy.galstar.com>
>
> Well, I was one of the lucky ones who received the Divine Regale tape.
> And I had to tell all the 'jammers to get this album. Horizons is a
> great disc!!! From the razor sharp vocals of Dwight Hill to the rock
> solid kick of Chris Anderson this album rocks! It is an absolute must
> for any DT fan. 'Nuff said.
>
> I'd like to add my voice to the ones pleading for tapes of the Cover show
> in London (even if I'm a little late).
>
> And one more thing, as far as the worst/least favorite DT song.......
> you've gotta be kidding me. I haven't heard anything yet that I don't
> like and hope that I never do!
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ..the voice of reason against the howling mob. Jamie Burks
> - Rush - "Nobodys Hero"
>
> Each day I take from the future I add to my past
> - Divine Regale - "Horizon"
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 20:13:32 -0600 (CST)
From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: your mail
Message-ID: <199502040213.UAA25780@galaxy.galstar.com>
> khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson) writes:
> >Someone said that all of Side 1 is hidden in Erotomania... I can't find dick.
>
> Sounds like a personal problem to me.
Maybe he needs to consult the guy who got head from a CD. He should be
able to help.
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Date: Fri, 03 Feb 1995 20:46:46 EST
From: QUIS CUSTODIET IPSOS CUSTODES <bolanddt@bigvax.alfred.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Least Favorite Song
Message-ID: <0098B72F.B9794C60.5@bigvax.alfred.edu>
Okay people, this least favorite song thing is getting kind of old. If you
don't like a song, don't listen to it. I for one have yet to buy a CD/tape
and like all the songs on the CD/tape. I guess that is why God invented
fast forward and skip buttons. So we could skip over the songs that we
don't like. Basically what I am saying is this, if you don't like it, don't
listen to it. Now, ask yourself, does the world need to know what you do and
don't like? I sure as hell don't want to.
thank you
a fan and Ytsejammer
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 19:32:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Hailey <pass@u.washington.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: listening to Fates...
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91c.950203190620.62490B-100000@homer21.u.washington.edu>
On Tue, 31 Jan 1995, Michael Burstin wrote (amidst various deletia):
> Remember the 1st time you heard I&W??? I remember thinking to myself,
> why did I buy this CD... my friends must have been crazy for
> recommending it...
>
Well, I just have to say that that was not the case for me. Images and
Words is one of the few albums that really rocked me where I stood. I
was shopping .. well, browsing, I do have a budget (..erm, in theory at
least) at Tower of all places when Surrounded broke through my
contemplation of the various discs before me. Just hearing the last half
or so of it was electric, and when Metropolis started, I was hooked for
good. (Incidentally, I was all ready to buy it, but since this was Tower,
of course they didn't have it.)
That is one of the very few albums that I have bought based on one (and a
half) song(s). My taste is usually quite discriminatory, so I try not to
let that happen too often.
I just have to say that Awake did not have that effect.
Oh, and neither did Fates Warning.
One observation:
I think that to be able to have that kind of effect on the
listener after just one listen is vital to a band, and shows a certain
sense of superiority and ...lure, I guess. A band that can do that has
hooked its audience much better than another band whose songs may be
great, but also much more esoteric.
And the best thing about Dream Theater is that the "depth" that all
you Fates Warning-heads say is so omnipresent in FW is that that depth is
also present in Dream Theater's music; however, this depth is _much_ more
accessable in DT's case, because rather than the listener struggling to
comprehend, the music invites the listener to comprehend.
I'll probably get flamed (or not) by you FW-heads, but that's OK, because
I don't care and I'm tired of you guys anyway.
This is just one opinion in a place of many, but FW does not compare to
DT, for the aforementioned reasons.
Thanks for listening! Even you FW-heads!
Chris
*---* "I am a Rock, I am an Island" -- P.Simon *---*
* *
* R.Christopher Hailey *---* I am one who delights in *
* pass@u.washington.edu * * all manifestation of the *
* tfunster@aol.com *---* terpsichorean muse -- mp *
* *
*---* "One must put up barriers To keep one's self intact" -- N.Peart
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 23:12:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam SERVER),
Subject: A Crack In The Mirror
Message-ID: <199502040412.XAA18016@beryl.cs.brandeis.edu>
In my excitment over getting the Kevin Moore demos, I forgot to
mention that I also got a copy of the 2nd Nightwatch show...
First off, Mike Kelly, the host played a few tracks from
InstruMental... he actually mentions it by name... He also plays
DEMOS for 6:00 and LSOAD.
Also, the "new" intro to Mirror is called "Crack In The Mirror"
according to Mike Portnoy...
Mike P also mentions that they want to do the ACOS EP, and plays it
from DoE... He also just said that "broadcast for full ppv concert...
the whole show will be broadcast... so any of the DT collectors might
want to keep an eye out for it..." hmm... He just sorta mentioned us
again... :)
He also mentions the cover gig... He also said that FW will be doing
the tour w/ them in Europe...
Anyway, just wanted to let you all know about some of the cool stuff
from the 2nd Nightwatch show...
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+----------------------------------------+----------------+---------+
| And I'll smile and learn to pretend | Dream Theater | Michael |
| And I'll never be open again | Space Dye Vest | Burstin |
| And I'll have no more dreams to defend |-----Awake------+---------+
| And I'll never be open again | Pittsburgh Penguins: 6-0 |
+----------------------------------------+--------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
http://cs.brandeis.edu/USER/UGRAD/mikeb/home.html
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 23:16:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Lie single
Message-ID: <199502040416.XAA18025@beryl.cs.brandeis.edu>
> From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
> Subject: Lie single
>
> I just got the LIE single from cdconnection.com.
>
> I thought TLF had a different verse in the middle. It was great
> to hear the studio version.
>
> THe cd says unreleased live track.
> Where unreleased are they talking about since the live Another Day
> is on the Japanese LATM.
>
They were refering to the fact that Another Day wasn't released in
Europe on LaTM... and they don't assume for imports, etc...
--
+----------------------------------------+----------------+---------+
| And I'll smile and learn to pretend | Dream Theater | Michael |
| And I'll never be open again | Space Dye Vest | Burstin |
| And I'll have no more dreams to defend |-----Awake------+---------+
| And I'll never be open again | Pittsburgh Penguins: 6-0 |
+----------------------------------------+--------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
http://cs.brandeis.edu/USER/UGRAD/mikeb/home.html
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Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 00:16:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Song
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950204000121.9040A-100000@oak.liii.com>
On Fri, 3 Feb 1995, QUIS CUSTODIET IPSOS CUSTODES wrote:
> Okay people, this least favorite song thing is getting kind of old. If you
> don't like a song, don't listen to it. I for one have yet to buy a CD/tape
> and like all the songs on the CD/tape.
Either your standards are way too high, or you're just buying the wrong
CDs. It's rare that I like all the songs on an album, but it does happen
from time to time. That's why I keeping buying the things; every now and
then I am rewarded with a masterpiece.
> I guess that is why God invented
> fast forward and skip buttons. So we could skip over the songs that we
> don't like. Basically what I am saying is this, if you don't like it, don't
> listen to it. Now, ask yourself, does the world need to know what you do and
> don't like? I sure as hell don't want to.
> thank you
> a fan and Ytsejammer
>
>
On the same line- if you don't want to know what we do and don't like,
then don't read it.
Actually, some of the song criticism is quite constructive. The
pro-Innocence Faded people have pointed out some very worthy elements of
the song.
I'm not sure what the exact purpose of Ytsejam is, or whether a purpose
is defined for these sort of mailing lists- but I like to think of it as
a hang-out for Dream Theater fans. Kinda like a party where some
conversations bore me and some interest me, but one where there is ALOT
of dialogue. Some I listen to, some I don't, but who am I to choose what
is said?
Of course, I could be out of line with this view, and Ytsejam could
indeed have a more constrictive purpose to deal with only news. But then,
what are newsgroups for?
Andy
akeegan@liii.com
==============================================================
"Emancipate yourself from "There's only one way
mental slavery, of life,
None but ourselves can free And that's your own"
our mind" - B. Marley - Levellers
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Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 02:33:49 -0500
From: PARALLELS@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Fates...wake up people
Message-ID: <950204023348_12515004@aol.com>
To some of you.........
I've sat here for the last 10 digests and listened to people go yeah I just
got parallels and I don't like it. where the fuck have you people been.
Wake up. 7 albums later and your buying a Fates album ...know wonder you
don't like them you don't understand them. First off Mark Zonder. If you
don't like fates than just listen to the drums. Mark is THE best drummer in
progressive music right now. The most creative and original.
Second...listen to Ray Alder....his melody lines on Inside Out are just
incredible...They make James LaBrie wish he had more studio time. They are
just so passionate and for real......James stuff sounds so forced...I'm not
raggin' on DT I'm a huge DT fan but probably a bigger FW fan. Dream Theater
owes a lot to Fates.... Fates just signed to a shitty label. Really...I've
been listening to both bands since they came out...and if I went out today
and bought Inside Out I probably woulnt get it...because I havent seen the
band grow. Think about it. If the first time you heard DT was Awake...would
you understand them...NO ....I think not...You havent been there. You
havent watched them grow...I'm not saying I'm a bigger fan or anything..I'm
just defending Fates because they are the most underated band in the fuckin
world....they deserve so much more it isnt even funny...some of you
understand...but some of you dont.
forget you heard Pull Me Under and listen to the real fuckin goods......
My 2 cents
chris
d.r.
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 22:07:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Lie single
Message-ID: <kjAixhS00iV8Q9Omwr@andrew.cmu.edu>
Okay, I just checked cdconnection for the Lie single, and
ordered it, and while I was there I saw something called
Live in London. It was a japanese import, and I don't think
it was LATM, as that was listed separately (both german and
japanese.)
Anyone know what this is?
-max
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Anton Max | Aepithex is searching for a drummer to play some
Keyboards, Aepithex | classically influenced melodic apocalypse rock with
MadMax+@CMU.EDU | heavy metallic tendencies. E-mail if interested.
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Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 02:43:18 -0500
From: James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: DT favorite albums
Message-ID: <Pine.DYN.3.91.950204022913.2838A-100000@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
In response to Ricky's post on how he would rank the DT albums: I AGREE
100%!
1. WD&DU (no weak songs and flame me if you wish, but I actually like
Charlie's vocals)
2. I&W (contains some of the best songs ever written by DT, but also
has weak points)
3. Awake (contains the two worst DT songs ever and does not flow as well
as the other two albums despite the re-occurring themes and song bleeds, etc.)
I am a little biased because I had WD&DU within the first two months of
it's release and got I&W before it was out in stores. However, I'm not
one of those retro. prog freaks who thinks that bands can only get
worse. In fact, my favorite Rush album is 'Hold Your Fire'. Anyway, I
think this is a decent thread... How would the rest of you rank the
three DT albums? ...
Jay Peele (INFERNO)
For info on INFERNO, e-mail jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu
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Date: 3 Feb 95 15:46:00 -0600
From: TOM.INMAN%MSFC26PO@x400gw.msfc.nasa.gov
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Bill Ward CD
Message-ID: <M708533.012.g2lzj.5014.950203220428Z.CC-MAIL*/O=CCMAIL/PRMD=MSFC/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@MHS>
"UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
wrote in #679:
>
> Second, I'd like to ask if anyone can get me a Bill Ward CD or
>cassette or something. My local store can't get a hold of it. If
>you have never listened to him or don't know who he is, he's the
>drummer for Black Sabbath. The tape came out about 5 yrs. ago and I
>think it's already out of print. It's really cool, has Ozzy on it,
>yet it has some really rad keyboard and guitar parts. The first time
>I listened to it I got sort of a 'stoned' feeling. The same feeling
>I got listening the The Wall for the first time. It's really good.
>
Just thought I'd put in that I *do* have the CD, but I think it's out
of print now. It's a pretty good album, IMO, some parts very
accessible, most of it quite insightful lyrically. The style varies
quite a bit, however, from a heavy early-Sabbathish sound to an
"atmospheric" early-Floydish style. Very different, and I can see
why you described a "stoned" feeling while listening to it. There
are several guest musicians, Ozzy being one. He sings on two
tracks, I think. Ward himself sings on several tracks. The album
title is "Ward One: Along the Way."
Tom
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Date: Wed, 01 Feb 1995 21:03:04 +0100
From: "Olaf Peters" <olf@informatik.uni-bremen.de>
To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Marillion
Message-ID: <30909188@indigo.biba.uni-bremen.de>
Hi Brandon!
> I intend to get a Marillion CD in the near future, but I have a question.
I suggest you to buy 'The thieving magpie'. Beeing a *live* double-CD, one of
the CDs contains the complete 'Misplaced childhood' while the other CD is some
kind of "best-of". Sound quality is really good as it's an official live CD.
Greetings,
Olf
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Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 15:05:50 +0100 (MET)
From: Mats Rydstr\vm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
To: Ytsejam mailing-list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: eMpTyV
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91N2.950204150042.7679B-100000@mumrik.nada.kth.se>
Hello Jammers!
I just watched 'The Pulse' which is a fashion program on european MTV. The
first report was from New York and was not very interesting except for small
segments between the different interviews. They used clips from the 'Lie'
video (other music) just those with cars running by at high speed. I'm
pretty sure that those were from 'Lie', the same colors, camera movement etc.
Reminds me of DT songs I've heard on 'MTV Sports' and on 'The Real World',
they've used at least PMU and TTT.
Then later the same show ('The Pulse') they used about one second from
'Stick It Out' by Rush, when the ugly guy gets water poured all over him.
You know my friends, when you're paying attention you can spot cool stuff
even on eMpTyV, only too bad that you'll have to watch like one week in a
row to see 10 seconds of cool stuff :-/
BTW, do you mail MTV and request stuff (=DT)? If not you'd better start.
I have mailed them (european MTV) some times and requested DT-videos and
also put forth some good general criticism. It didn't have any effect
though (but it felt good!) but I'm sure that if we all like start a campaign
and mail them (start a war against crap on MTV!) telling them to play
good music, maybe it will have the desired effect.
We can then at least say that we've tried!
I just know the address to one of the shows, but it's one where you'll
have a pretty good chance (like one in a million) of getting your song
played, they tell the viewers all the time to send email.
The address is: mostwanted@mtvne.com
And please, if you american Ytsejammers would like to help too, it's
quantity that counts I figure, even though you won't be able to see the
result.
So what do you say? Shall we do it?
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/ Mats Rydstrom - d94-mry@nada.kth.se - http://www.nada.kth.se/~d94-mry /
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/ "We can hope for the future, though there may not be one" - ACOS /
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Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 15:58:29 +0100
From: q94hg@thn.htu.se (Henrik Gustafsson)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Galactic Cowboys ( no DT )
Message-ID: <m0ralpb-0000BXC@tellus.thn.htu.se>
Dear Jammers!
Today I think I made a wonderful buy. I found a GC-CD ( "<--" nice?) for
only 49 SEK, that is about 6 USD.
But the CD have no sleeve, it is just the disc. It is from 1991, and the
songs are "I'm not amused:My school:Why can't you believe in me::::Speak to
me". Do any of you have a complete album ( I know you do) with the lyrics
and other stuff ?
In that case I would really appreciate if you would send them to me. It
makes it easier to understand what it is all about. Thanks a lot!
The CD is very good indeed, and I would like to hear more from them.
Other CDs I listened to today:
OK! this is my opinion, no flames!
Genesis
Trick of the tail -75
No P.Gabriel, still very good 51 minutes. I got it as well (now I really
need a CD-player)
Genesis
Foxtrot
the last 15min. is great, the rest is mediocer
MetalMilitia
trib to Metallica -94
12 swedish band with their versions of Metallica-songs. The music is good,
but the voices sucks. A girl sings "for whom the bell tolls", and much
death/speed-metal singing.
Genesis
CompactCollection(?) from 68, and reMade.
17 songs but no song is excellent. None of the Genesis-feeling I now have
experienced.
Morgana Leafy(?)
from -95
small swedish band, quite good, really listenable fast-metal,good
production, ends with a speedjam and speed-rasta-song. quite funny: I would
buy it, if I could afford 3 CDs the same day.
If YOU would like more of my opinons on the albums I could send you that,
but I think this is all I dare to write here ;-)>
Bye
and I REALLY want those GC-lyrics.
Henrik Gustafsson q94hg@thn.htu.se Dream Theater
Drottninggatan 62 c 7 Q94 Toni Holgersson
S-461 33 Trollha:ttan IE-91 Just D
0520-155 98 +46 (0)70-814 24 38 Fish
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Date: Sat, 04 Feb 1995 09:55:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Shawna Lea of the Many Nicknames <SADAMS1@WELLESLEY.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Album Rankings...
Message-ID: <01HMNB9RTSJ08WXQNB@WELLESLEY.EDU>
This is the hardest choice...
Here goes nothing...
1) _Images and Words_ : I believe that everyone in Dream Theater
contributed equally to the creation of this work...and as stated
earlier in another thread, it is truly the work of 5 virtuosos who
are able to perform more than competently in a band.
2) _Awake_ : I don't have anything wrong with any of the songs, but
there happens to be something missing...and it may just be knowing
that Kevin Moore is no longer with the band...It is still quality
music with more of an edge. I personally listen to this album more
than I&W.
3) _When Day and Dream Unite_ : I love "Ytsejam" especially on LiT,
but I have had an incredibly hard time getting into the lyrical
content as compared to other DT songs. The notes seem to trail off,
and there appears (to my untrained ear) a lack of enunciation.
:) Well, bye all!
Shawna Lea Adams
Muireann MacOisdealblaigh
drealla@spike.wellesley.edu
sadams1@wellesley.edu
Love is an act of blood and I'm bleeding
A pool in the shape of a heart.
Beauty's projection in the reflection
Always the worst way to start.
-"Space-Dye Vest" Dream Theater _Awake_
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Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 23:10:11 +0800 (WST)
From: Adam Soudure <gillius@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: AWAKE production
Message-ID: <199502041510.XAA02997@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>
Re: JP taking too much of the limelight...
When I first heard AWAKE, I thought there was WAAAAAY too much guitar
and not enough keys. After listening to the album for 4+ months now, I
can say that the production job is one the best I have heard. I play
keys and guitar in a prog-metal band, and have co-produced an album...it
is difficult to mix so that everyone is heard. It really depends on your
goal, to get stuff on the radio you need BIIIIIIGGGGGG drums and very
clear vocals -- obviously, a couple of the songs on Awake are mixed with
that in mind: namely 6:00 and Innocence Faded (even though they may not
be the singles per se).
I think that the overall sound is a big improvement over I&W, the drums
sound like actual drums, rather than a Roland TR808 drum machine, the
guitars are crunchier (that low B helps), the vocals are as good as I&W
and the keys certainly sound more aggressive (listen to Erotomania for
example). Being a big Deep Purple fan, I certainly love to hear keys and
guitar duelling -- Kev and JP do that, Kevs Hammond B3 sound is
wonderful, becuase it takes your mind back to Jon Lord...it really is
the only keys sound that can compete with 400 watts of Mesa amp gain :)
Maybe the MiniMoog as well...
The only disappointing thing is the Bass, needs to be up in the mix a
bit more (maybe EQ it a bit).
Adam
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