YTSEJAM Digest 686
Today's Topics:
1) Re: More ramblings
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
2) Kevin dubs...
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
3) Mail info!
by "Robert Nydahl, Chairman (@) Ctrl-C" <nydahl@ctrl-c.liu.se>
4) DT CD: Subconscious!
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
5) TAB for Lifting Shadows Of A Dream
by Erik.Richly@rz.uni-duesseldorf.de (Erik Richly)
6) Live in London-what is this?
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
7) Re: Fates vs. Rush (?!!?)
by James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 675
by SRVRIP@aol.com
9) Re: DT favorite albums
by Robert C Devereux <rd3z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
10) Portnoy's drummin'
by be298@yfn.ysu.edu (Asif I. Khan)
11) Prog Musicians Network?
by ALVAREZ1@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Alvarez, Paul)
12) CD length
by Ytsejam <bdon@wam.umd.edu>
13) Re: Fates vs. Rush
by Godsize@aol.com
14) Music Meant to Be Heard (Another Site Announcement!)
by JennieBear@aol.com
15) Re: DT CD: Subconscious!
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
16) Re: Portnoy's drummin'
by Thor <gmsanbo@strauss.udel.edu>
17) Re: James like Bach?
by jjens@osf1.gmu.edu (John Jens, Jr.)
18) DT Poll (repost)
by pjhollow@microcity.com
19) DT Poll reminder
by pjhollow@microcity.com
20) Re: CD length
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
21) Re: DT CD: Subconscious!
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
22) Re: YTSEJAM digest 684
by Boo-ba Fett <jmh@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
23) Re: Yngwie
by Igor Sinyak <Igor_Sinyak@ccm.ch.intel.com>
24) stuff
by wagner@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de
25) some more about DT in munich...
by jerry@muc.de (Andreas Schaefer)
26) Non DT : Extreme`s new album
by goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
27) Re: Petrucci`s guitars
by goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 09:38:38 -0600 (CST)
From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: More ramblings
Message-ID: <199502051538.JAA19603@galaxy.galstar.com>
> *laugh* Actually, Kevin has told me that his interest in Tori is strictly
> _aural_.
About Tori... I have never heard her before, and I was at the CD store
yesterday. I went over to the A's and found the CD that "Winter" was on,
the one DT played at the covers. But after I thought about it, I said to
myself, I should listen to this before I buy it. Please everyone tell me
how stupid I was so I will go back and get it. be truthful, will I like
this CD if I get it? I don't care if the music isn't heavy, and I don't
really care if it's not in weird time signatures, but I don't want this
to be an Amy Grant CD or something horrible like that. I know I SHOULD
listen to this CD before, but currently I have no idea how I'd do that,
because no one I know has a CD of hers either.
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 13:34:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam SERVER)
Subject: Kevin dubs...
Message-ID: <199502051834.NAA23736@beryl.cs.brandeis.edu>
Well, since there have not been too many request from Boston alone,
I'll open up for dubbing to anyone in New England...
When replying to my, if you have tapes to trade, please send me a copy
of your list so that I can make some picks.
If you are only interested in getting a copy of the Kevin Moore demos,
my policy is for you to send me ONE Maxell XL-II 90 min tape, plus
return postage (method of your choice) and money to cover a padded
mailer.
If you are interested in obtaining anything else from my collection, I
trade at a 2:1 ratio for blanks, meaning you send me TWO Maxell XL-II
tapes, and I return one. This applies to all tapes other than the KM
demos. If you want a copy of my list, either email me for a copy, or
if you have access to the web, you can obtain it from:
http://cs.brandeis.edu/USER/UGRAD/mikeb/boots
Anyway, for anyone up in New England, please let me know if you are
interested in getting a copy of the tape... I have only had 2 or 3
replies so far... and I already have that many copies sitting here
waiting to be mailed as soon as blanks arrive... (I'm dubbing copies
just about every time I listen to the tape...)
--
+----------------------------------------+----------------+---------+
| And I'll smile and learn to pretend | Dream Theater | Michael |
| And I'll never be open again | Space Dye Vest | Burstin |
| And I'll have no more dreams to defend |-----Awake------+---------+
| And I'll never be open again | Pittsburgh Penguins: 6-0 |
+----------------------------------------+--------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
http://cs.brandeis.edu/USER/UGRAD/mikeb/home.html
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Date: Sun, 05 Feb 1995 19:53:38 EST
From: "Robert Nydahl, Chairman (@) Ctrl-C" <nydahl@ctrl-c.liu.se>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Mail info!
Message-ID: <0098B8BA.A1F16780.7@ctrl-c.liu.se>
Your mail with destination cyd.liu.se was found to exceed 30000 bytes and was
therefore discarded.
Cyd.liu.se does not at this moment accept email with a size larger than 30000
bytes. Please keep this i mind when mailing someone at this address.
Thank you for your cooperation and have a nice day!
/Robert Nydahl - Chairman and System Manager
at Ctrl-C Academic Computer Society
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 12:33:20 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT CD: Subconscious!
Message-ID: <199502051933.MAA19324@bud.indirect.com>
I'm almost ready to spin my master disc for Subconscious, even
though production is about three weeks away. I need an assist from any
Ytsejammer who can help me: I will give you $10 off your Subconscious
disc if you can send me a good quality copy of the covers gig in London,
1/31/95. Some of the material they played was slated for inclusion. Other
than that, I finally have pretty much all of the source material I was
wanting to use.
Everyone who reserved: thanks! Info on how to send in the order
will be posted the minute I start spinning discs.
Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 21:53:19 -0800
From: Erik.Richly@rz.uni-duesseldorf.de (Erik Richly)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: TAB for Lifting Shadows Of A Dream
Message-ID: <m0rbDvN-00012aC@crash.cts.com>
Hi!
I wonder if anyone out there managed to figure out the TAB of Lifting
Shadows. I NEED THIS!
Feel free to e-mail me!
Erik
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 16:01:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Live in London-what is this?
Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9502051655.A7221-9100000@bdmserver>
I noticed the Live in london listing at cdconnection.com. It
says it is a Japanese import. They also have LATM as a Japnese import
but the Live in London costs 3$ more. So is this the same cd or what????
Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com
"Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater
"That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 17:03:22 -0500
From: James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Fates vs. Rush (?!!?)
Message-ID: <Pine.DYN.3.91.950205165422.2217A-100000@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
First of all, thanks to William Wright for making the point I was trying
to make.
I was the guy who put 'Perfect Symmetry' in the same category as 'Moving
Pictures'. I did not intend to imply that FW or Rush is better or worse
than the other. My only point was that 'Perfect Symmetry' is a timeless,
perfect, deep album not unlike 'Moving Pictures' or 'The Wall'. It's up
to the individual to decide which timeless albums he or she prefers! Or,
if you're like me, just enjoy an album for what it is worth and not
compare it to other works. I understand the concern of fellow Rush heads
but I was not saying that FW is "as good" as Rush - only that FW is a
timeless band with integrity. I am a FW and a Rush head! I'm probably a
bigger Rush head than any one on this list!! :) (let's not argue about
who likes Rush more)....
Jay Peele (INFERNO)
For info on INFERNO e-mail jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 17:17:59 -0500
From: SRVRIP@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 675
Message-ID: <950205171756_13743031@aol.com>
James Bickers wrote about the 6:00 bashing:
>I'm surprised at how many people seem to dislike 6:00.
>It has always struck me as one of the best moments
> on Awake. Maybe certain folks don't like the idea
>of using samples - seems too "dancy"?
I totally agree. The first thing you hear is that awesome
pounding drum roll and the song never lets up. This song
is IMHO one of the best songs DT has.
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 14:02:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert C Devereux <rd3z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: DT favorite albums
Message-ID: <kjBG2sS00iWPA3Jl0f@andrew.cmu.edu>
Excerpts from ytsejam: 5-Feb-95 YTSEJAM digest 684 by ytsejam@arastar.com
> > 1. WD&DU (no weak songs and flame me if you wish, but I actually like
> > Charlie's vocals)
>
> I thought I was all alone in enjoying this album. It's still one of the
> best, and no matter how great James is, I rue Charlie leaving the band.
> I always felt that he meshed perfectly with the ideas being recorded.
> Now, whether or not he meshed live is another matter that I cannot speak
> to...
I also happen to love this album. While I don't like the production, I
think this one has DT's best music. I also like Dominici's singing. I
think LaBrie is great and he puts more emotion into singing, but he does
sound more commercial and less distinctive than Dominici (I still
haven't heard anyone sound like him, but I have heard others sound like
LaBrie).
Just my opinion.
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 18:37:26 -0500
From: be298@yfn.ysu.edu (Asif I. Khan)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Portnoy's drummin'
Message-ID: <199502052337.AA06672@yfn.ysu.edu>
Hello all. This is my first time posting on a net anywhere, so
please bear with me...I'm a drummer and I am absolutely blown away
by Mike's drumming. Honestly, I haven't been struck by such
originality since Neil Peart...yes there are many other creative
drummers but i'm strictly speaking in the genre of prog rock. Lately
I've been trying to play tunes off the new one and actually find them
easier to play than I&W. My fav tunes to play however are
Innocence Faded (Unbelievable feel and grroooove, I get completely
lost in that song) and Erotomania (pretty intense that keeps
me quite humble.) Mike has matured by leaps and bounds since I&W
IMHO. I don;t have WDADU so I can't really comment on his stylistic
changes since then but what do you all think? Any drummers
out there. And Mike if you're listenin', you are truly an
inspiration to those of us who belive in change.
Asif
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Date: 06 Feb 95 00:38 GMT
From: ALVAREZ1@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Alvarez, Paul)
To: YTSEJAM@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Prog Musicians Network?
Message-ID: <792031311.9760598@AppleLink.Apple.COM>
I would be very interested in communicating (offline from the Ytsejam) with
those of you who are musicians. My interest is as follows:
1) Are you in a prog band? If not are you looking for one?
2) What instrument (vocals too) do you play?
3) All original or cover material as well? Are you a writer?
4) What region of the country are you in?
5) How well does prog music go over in your area (clubs/other bands etc.)
6) Demo's/CD's available for sale/trade?
7) Any interest in ongoing networking to help each other break through to other
parts of the country?
8) Anything I've left out??
To Ken Bibb:
Would it be possible to set-up a separate daily digest address if there is
enought interest in the above?
In the meantime, please contact me directly!
Thanks,
Paul
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 20:27:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Ytsejam <bdon@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: CD length
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.950205202306.11369B-100000@rac7.wam.umd.edu>
Another question...
I keep hearing that the limit of a CD is 75 minutes (like DT) but does
anyone know the ULTIMATE LIMIT of a CD, because DT's "Majestic Harmonies"
is 79 minutes and some seconds. Thanks.
*****************************************************************************
Brandon E.
bdon@wam.umd.edu
"Different eyes see different things.
Different hearts beat on different strings."
----Rush
******************************************************************************
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 20:36:50 -0500
From: Godsize@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Fates vs. Rush
Message-ID: <950205203412_13880417@aol.com>
>>>>(When I say "not that great of an FW album", I mean that if anyone else,
oh, say, Pantera or Bon Jovi, had released this album, I would think that
God himself had come down from heaven to assist them<<<<<
Why does everyone have to put down bands for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON!!!!!!!!!!
This is how all of our arguments get started.
You could simply have said "This is one of Fates Warnings poorer albums."
But instead you have to go and insult 2 bands. One of which you know there
are a lot of fans of on this lists. By doing something like this you will
probably start another PANTERA BASHING thread. So people lets stop insulting
other bands. It is not neccesary!
Trey
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 18:26:20 -0500
From: JennieBear@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Music Meant to Be Heard (Another Site Announcement!)
Message-ID: <950205182606_13792140@aol.com>
Hello, all! I also just recently obtained my copy of the Kevin Moore demos.
I am a "West U.S.A." site (specifically, I am in Sacramento, California), so
I will now be accepting requests from the West coast. Please e-mail me
privately (jenniebear@aol.com) for details... Unlike Mike, I don't have a
set limit, but I will posting here again when I'm ready to call it quits.
For those of you already in possession of "Music Meant to Be Heard," I
believe I have identified a sample and would like to know if anyone can back
me up on this. On "Shallow," there's a female voice singing something that
sounds like "daaaa duh daaa..." toward the beginning and the end of the
song. Isn't it Bjork (ex-vocalist from The Sugarcubes) from "Crying"?
Jen
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"I am the beat of your pulse, the computer word made flesh." * Queensryche
jenniebear@aol.com kethry@netcom.com
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 20:01:23 -0600 (CST)
From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: DT CD: Subconscious!
Message-ID: <199502060201.UAA27870@galaxy.galstar.com>
> I'm almost ready to spin my master disc for Subconscious, even
> though production is about three weeks away. I need an assist from any
> Ytsejammer who can help me: I will give you $10 off your Subconscious
> disc if you can send me a good quality copy of the covers gig in London,
> 1/31/95. Some of the material they played was slated for inclusion. Other
> than that, I finally have pretty much all of the source material I was
> wanting to use.
Like which songs? That'd be great to hear some stuff from the covers
show, but what? (Maybe the Tori Amos song?) Or, what'd be great, but a
little too large, the Yes part with Howe! That'd be totally cool. :)
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 22:30:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Thor <gmsanbo@strauss.udel.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Portnoy's drummin'
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950205222001.772B-100000@strauss.udel.edu>
On Sun, 5 Feb 1995, Asif I. Khan wrote:
> Mike has matured by leaps and bounds since I&W
> IMHO. I don;t have WDADU so I can't really comment on his stylistic
> changes since then but what do you all think? Any drummers
> out there. And Mike if you're listenin', you are truly an
> inspiration to those of us who belive in change.
>
I'm a drummer and yes, I too am very humbled by Mike's playing.
I'm not really sure about him maturing from I&W - I think there are many
differences, yes, but I think they are strongly similar. If you compare
WDADU and I&W though, you'll notice a huge difference. Kind of like the
difference between Rush's Fly by Night and Permanent Waves. Besides the
actual sound, the playing complexity is smoother and more solid in the
later albums. I think Awake is the same idea - as I&W is a step above
WDADU in drum sound, smoothness of playing, and solidity of grooves, so
is Awake above I&W.
Still, I would have to say I&W has the hardest beats to play.
TTT is insane, as are parts of LtL. :)
G
| Garrett M Sanborne Univ of Delaware |=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|
| =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | Disco is to music as |
| Dream Theater * Rush * Queensryche * | Etch-A-Sketch is to art. |
| * Led Zeppelin * Metallica * Mozart |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 23:46:52 -0500
From: jjens@osf1.gmu.edu (John Jens, Jr.)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: James like Bach?
Message-ID: <9502060446.AA01286@gmu.edu>
Chris wrote in Digest 684:
>really heard much Skid Row so I can't comment, but you're obviously not
>alone. (do you think he sounds like Bach on I&W too?)
actually, on I&W i DONT think he sounds like Bach. it's only on Awake and
live, when he strains -- natural voice? -- that he sounds like Bach. the
reason i dont think they sound similar on I&W is bcuz the melodies, lyrics,
if not the majority of the songs, were already put together when James
joined. on Awake James had much more input and i believe Awake demostrates
James' "real" voice, or at least the one he's most comfortable w/, or the
one he thought wud fit most appropriately on that CD.
just my thoughts :)
..............................................................................
John C. Jens, Jr.
jjens@gmu.edu
jensjr@tec.army.mil
http://www.site.gmu.edu/~jjens/
"You've got to learn to let go.
Just let go and experience the flight.
Try to see from a different side."
-"Global Mind" Queensryche _Promised Land_
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 20:45:03 -0800
From: pjhollow@microcity.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT Poll (repost)
Message-ID: <9502052100.D5659Kj@microcty.uu.holonet.net>
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 95 21:00:14 EST
* * * * * * * *** DREAM THEATER POLL *** * * * * * * *
>
[SONG RANKING] -- Rate each song from 0 to 10 in the brakets provided.
If you don't want to answer something, leave it blank
images words
(music) (lyrics)
[ ] [ ] A Fortune In Lies
[ ] [ ] Status Seeker
[ ] [n/a] The Ytse Jam
[ ] [ ] The Killing Hand
[ ] [ ] Light Fuse And Get Away
[ ] [ ] Afterlife
[ ] [ ] The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
[ ] [ ] Only A Matter Of Time
>
[ ] [ ] Pull Me Under
[ ] [ ] Another Day
[ ] [ ] Take The Time
[ ] [ ] Surrounded
[ ] [ ] Metropolis Part I
[ ] [ ] Under A Glass Moon
[ ] [ ] Wait For Sleep
[ ] [ ] Learning To Live
>
[ ] [ ] 6:00
[ ] [ ] Caught In A Web
[ ] [ ] Innocence Faded
[ ] [n/a] Erotomania
[ ] [ ] Voices
[ ] [ ] The Silent Man
[ ] [ ] The Mirror
[ ] [ ] Lie
[ ] [ ] Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
[ ] [ ] Scarred
[ ] [ ] Space Dye Vest
>
[General Questions] -- If you don't want to (or can't) answer any of
these, leave it blank
>
[Question #1] : What is your favourite live DT song?
(either in person, or off a live bootleg)
>
>
>
[Question #2] : Which instrument do you play? (if any)
(ie: voice, guitar, drums etc.)
>
>
>
Submit all answers to pjhollow@microcity.com (preferred)
or
pjhollow@novice.uwaterloo.ca
PLEASE DO NOT POST ANSWERS ON THE YTSEJAM LIST!!!
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 20:45:02 -0800
From: pjhollow@microcity.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT Poll reminder
Message-ID: <9502052100.D5448SS@microcty.uu.holonet.net>
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 95 21:00:12 EST
Hi, I'm going to post the Dream Theater poll once more, in case some of
you didn't catch it the last time. It remains in the same format as
before, so here are the details again:
>
- All released songs (from WDADU, I&W, Awake) will be listed, along with two
sets of square brackets "[ ]" beside each one. This is where your
answers go.
- Each song is to be ranked from 0 (really pathetic) to 10 (godlike) under
two categories: images (the musical value) and words (the lyrics). If
there are songs that you haven't heard, or you don't want to answer (we
can't expect everyone to have opinions on each song's lyrics), leave the
space between the square brackets blank! Do not put a zero if you are not
ranking that song's category!!
- There are two additional questions at the bottom of the poll. These
are general answer questions (requiring actual words).
- Album rankings will be calculated from the song rankings.
- Please fill out the poll (I suggest capturing it, then use a text editor
on it later) by filling in the space between the square brackets, and
answering the general questions at the bottom. If you prefer, you could
just send me a list of answers. This is fine, just as long as there
is an answer for each question.
>
NOTE: I suggest that we answer the poll relative to all Dream Theater songs.
Already, I'm thinking that I'm going to get a whole bunch of responses
with nothing but 9s and 10s :-). This is fine, and I'm not going to tell
you how to fill this thing out, but just remember that the wider your
scope of ranking is, the more accurate our poll will be! And don't worry
if you ranked some of the songs quite far apart and someone else didn't,
because all the values are relative to each other and it will all work
out just fine in the end.
>
That's all there is to it! The actual poll itself will (hopefully) be the
next message in the digest. I will post the poll twice (this is the
repost), just to make sure everyone sees it. The polling will run
for 3 weeks (until Feb. 20/95 - I hope this is long enuff), then later on in
that week I should have the results ready!
>
Please send all responses to: pjhollow@microcity.com (preferred)
or
pjhollow@novice.uwaterloo.ca
>
**DO NOT** SEND COMPLETED POLLS TO THE YTSEJAM LIST!!!
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 23:24:49 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: CD length
Message-ID: <199502060624.XAA18869@bud.indirect.com>
> Another question...
>
> I keep hearing that the limit of a CD is 75 minutes (like DT) but does
> anyone know the ULTIMATE LIMIT of a CD, because DT's "Majestic Harmonies"
> is 79 minutes and some seconds. Thanks.
You can put four hours on a CD if you wish, but the only format a
CD player will read is ISO 9660, or in time terms, 76 minutes. A few
companies have pushed the envelope at the expense of data integrity. How
well those discs will endure constant use is anyone's guess... like in
DAT, a CD is digital and can become corrupted, rather than to degrade
like an analog would.
Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 23:22:32 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: DT CD: Subconscious!
Message-ID: <199502060622.XAA18725@bud.indirect.com>
> > I'm almost ready to spin my master disc for Subconscious, even
> > though production is about three weeks away. I need an assist from any
> > Ytsejammer who can help me: I will give you $10 off your Subconscious
> > disc if you can send me a good quality copy of the covers gig in London,
> > 1/31/95. Some of the material they played was slated for inclusion. Other
> > than that, I finally have pretty much all of the source material I was
> > wanting to use.
>
> Like which songs? That'd be great to hear some stuff from the covers
> show, but what? (Maybe the Tori Amos song?) Or, what'd be great, but a
> little too large, the Yes part with Howe! That'd be totally cool. :)
I had intended to include Winter and Tears. (Tori and Rush)...
Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 01:32:32 -0700 (MST)
From: Boo-ba Fett <jmh@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 684
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.90.950206010336.29917C-100000@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 14:06:56 -0700 (MST)
> From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
> Subject: Re: Dream Theater Poll Update / Awake
>
> > Pittsburgh (thanks, Kai!). Awake has 75 minutes of music, which
> > is the musical capacity of a CD...how did they do this ??? I
> > would think it would be easier to trim parts out of longer songs
> > than it would be to 'lengthen' a shorter song. I find it hard
> > to believe that it's just a coincidence...that the 11 songs just
> > happened to add up to 75 minutes. Anyone ???
>
> Good question. I don't think any of the songs "drag" either, and
> yet none of the longer songs really seem cut short. It's possible they
> cut parts of Erotomania or Silent Man. Both of these always seem to end
> too fast! :) I think since they recorded the 11 songs that _are_ on
> Awake, plus To Live Forever and Eve, that they made the actual album
> inclusion decision based on what was closest to filling the CD without
> having us, the buyers, feel slighted.
>
> Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
>
I may be wrong, but I wouldn't guess that DT recorded their 13 songs and
chose what they did to fit a CD. I kind of like to think that the reason
certain songs are on an album is because it is an *album* and not a
collection of songs. There are some albums that fit together, flow
wonderfully, mainly conceptual albums, ie _The Wall_ and _Operation:
Mindcrime_, but others like Pearl Jam's _Ten_ and The 77s _Sticks and
Stones_ (sorry for the obscure reference, but I am listening to it now.)
DT doesn't albums aren't really perfectly flowing, in that sense, and I
don't think that _To Live Forever_ would fit _Awake_ partially because it
is an "old" song, and part because it is just a different style. I also
must add that I am *NOT* in anyway saying that DT has bad stuff, I LOVE
every DT song that I have ever heard, even _Afterlife_, probably my least
favorite.
Anyways, I'm sure that it has been discussed, but what is the deal with
the cassette version, referring to the change in order and the deletion of
_Scarred_. It's not like a tape can't be 75 min. If someone could either
explain or point me to where I could find out I would appreciate it.
And finally, I didn't express myself well when whining about the poll. I
think that it is very good to have a spread in rankings, like has been
stated. I just can't seem to convince myself that I won't be kicked off
the list for giving a song like _Under A Glass Moon_ a 7.
PS: to the guy that I corrected his "quote": I understand what you are
saying, sometimes I think that "kicks IN from a dream" would be better.
Please understand that I mean no offense by having this quote in my
.signature, I just like how those two fit together.
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I Am A Chicken, A Giant Chicken!
"Morning comes too early / and nighttime falls too late"
Kevin Moore _Surrounded
"Six'o'clock and the siren kicks him from a dream"
Kevin Moore _6:00_
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"D'accord je t'adore, au revoir, au revoir!"
Boo-ba Fett
Office: Slave 1
aka John Haveman MSE Soph at the UofAZ
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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 95 00:46:07 PST
From: Igor Sinyak <Igor_Sinyak@ccm.ch.intel.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Yngwie
Message-ID: <950206004607_1@ccm.fm.intel.com>
Ken Bibb wrote:
>> Does anyone know of an Ynwie Malmsteen mailing list?
>
>Myra (mkwong@ucsd.edu) Wong's list of music mailing lists does not list
>a list for the arrogant one :)
That's because the list is dated Jan 5, and I've since submitted the info for
RISING FORCE. The digest does not exclusively deal with Yngwie, but with
neoclassical metal in general.
To get more info, email me: Igor_Sinyak@ccm.ch.intel.com
And Ken:
I've mentioned the list on here before - does that make you
the ignorant one? :)
Ig
(Rising Enforcer :)
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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:00:22 +0100 (MEZ)
From: wagner@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (ytsejam)
Subject: stuff
Message-ID: <9502061100.AA14179@pegasos.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>
Hello,
something is gonna happen in Germany:
First Dream Theater will do some live-shootings for the new 'Silent Man'-Video,
and second they will record two Radioshows in Germany. So everyone in Germany
check out your programms and record them......
--
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---- Freedom belongs only to those without video screens for eyes and mouth ----
---------------------- Queensryche - Screaming In Digital ----------------------
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- Peace comes through thinking with our hearts and not with words. Until then -
----------------- we'll light another candle for this world. -------------------
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Till 'Tillroy' Wagner <wagner@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>
Elisabethenstr. 42f; D-63225 Langen; Germany
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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 08:29:48 +0100
From: jerry@muc.de (Andreas Schaefer)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: some more about DT in munich...
Message-ID: <95Feb6.082919met.25617-2@colin.muc.de>
Hello fellow ytsejammers,
Just some additional information about the muncih concert...
As freak@cube.net (Alex Reinelt) mentioned there were some instrumentals
inbetween the setlist. One of them was an outstanding version of
Metallicas "Battery" right after Mirror/Lie.
The first encore was Deep Purples "Perfect Strangers" which was also
played even more _perfect_ as the original....
The only thing that sucked this evening was the security. The guys weren't
able to get the complete audience inside before Fates Warning started
their show :-( ....(no further comment)
So long - jerry :--)
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Andreas Schaefer email: jerry@muc.de
"I ned, I ned! Wenn I red, dann red I scho bayrisch..."
This ain't CNN - FZ - CPIII
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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 95 12:38 MET
From: goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Non DT : Extreme`s new album
Message-ID: <m0rbRmV-000131C@inf.fu-berlin.de>
For the Extreme Fans on this list:
Extreme's new album: Waiting For The Punchline
Back to the roots! That's how I would describe the style of WFTP.
The self-titled debut album wasn't bad, I liked "Pornograffitti" and
loved "Three Sides To Every Story". When I first heard WFTP, I was
disappointed, now I start to enjoy it although I'm quite sure I won't like
it more than their last two albums. Nuno is still an incredible guitarist,
"Midnight Express" for example is a great acoustic guitar solo that he had
also played on the "Three Sides.." tour. The single "Hip today", maybe the
best song of the album, also features a cool guitar solo. New band member Mike
Mangini plays drums on three of the twelve songs (actually thirteen, there's
a "hidden" last track called "Waiting For The Punchline"...), right now I'm not
sure if I can distinguish between his and Paul Geary's style. Gary Cherone
said that they wanted to give the album the atmosphere of a live recording,
and I would say they were successfull. WFTPL isn't as many-sided as "Three
Sides...", it sounds more monotonous (that doesn't mean it sounds monotonous!)
but anyway: There's a lot to discover on the new album!
Ties
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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 95 12:39 MET
From: goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Petrucci`s guitars
Message-ID: <m0rbRnT-000131C@inf.fu-berlin.de>
The following statement of John Petrucci is taken from the German Metal Hammer
magazine. I hope my translation is okay...
"I take three 6-string-guitars with me on tour - my "Picassos".
I call them "Picassos" because of the charismatic design. Basically
they are identical, but differ in their coloring. The viewer can distinguish
between them by the colors of the faces at the pick-ups: I use the "green
Picasso" for 95%, when 6-strings are used. The white one is the spare guitar,
if a string breaks on stage or something. I use the "orange Picasso" for
warming up, it's also the second spare guitar. The 7-strings are only used
for Caught In A Web, The Mirror and Lie. I mainly use the black and white one,
the other one is the prototype that Ibanez made for me, I played it on Awake.
And the Acoustic? Of course that's for The Silent Man."
Ties
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