YTSEJAM Digest 712
Today's Topics:
1) Re: DT interactive
by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
2) Guitar music
by rhenley@gac.edu
3) Ytse convention
by Jarrod Kamsey-Lewis <jarrodk@up.edu>
4) Re: corruption in the goat herd
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
5) copying/dubbing
by Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
6) Re: DT on Howard Stern!!
by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
7) dt fan populations
by Slick Doggy Dawg <polzin@glibm11.cen.uiuc.edu>
8) Kev demos
by zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
9) Re: Free Mike Tyson
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
10) Re: Convention on Long Island?
by hafke@panix.com (David Hafke)
11) I&W Tab source
by Brandon Vaughn <EDLEADER@uwf.cc.uwf.edu>
12) Guitar tabs
by Hailey <pass@u.washington.edu>
13) THE FIRST JAMS
by Tejus Korde <bdon@wam.umd.edu>
14) Magellan (no true DT content)
by Hailey <pass@u.washington.edu>
15) more non-DT contents: Guitar music
by Hailey <pass@u.washington.edu>
16) jester
by William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
17) Re: DT reference in my school newspaper...
by Ricky Booth <rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com>
18) Re: Ytse convention
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
19) Re: Goat herds and petty egos
by "J. Daggar" <DAGGARJON@urvax.urich.edu>
20) Re: corruption in the goat herd
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
21) corruption in the goat herd
by "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
22) Re: corruption in the goat herd
by jjens@osf1.gmu.edu (John Jens, Jr.)
23) Re: corruption in the goat herd
by John B Ashcraft <jbashcra@uncc.edu>
24) Re: corruption in the goat herd
by petedz@interaccess.com (Peter Dziadzka)
25) Re: unrelated. Yes stuff
by "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
26) Intern
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
27) SloppyJoe69's post
by Rob Weychert <weyc9212@kutztown.edu>
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:39:59 MST
From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: DT interactive
Message-ID: <87A0726478@UCS.ISU.EDU>
I would really like to know how to get into DT interactive, also.
I have no clue as to where I may find it and was hoping that someone
out there would please send me the info.
ThanX
ChucK
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 13:43:20 (CST)
From: rhenley@gac.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Guitar music
Message-ID: <199502221943.NAA29215@hermes.gac.edu>
What's up, everyone?
I'm new on the list and am interested in talking DT guitar theory with
other players out there. I'm also looking for transcriptions to several
different solos, including YJ (the keyboard solo), PMU (that quick lick in
the first two solos of the song; the magazines never seem to get it right
and I can't seem to either), and the sweeps in the solo for AFIL.
Does anyone know when DT is coming back to the Mirage (Minneapolos)? I
missed the first one...
"...such an untimely religion..."
-I think you know
Rick
(rhenley@gac.edu)
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:46:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Jarrod Kamsey-Lewis <jarrodk@up.edu>
To: DREAM THEATER <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Ytse convention
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950222113939.736A-100000@upsun23.up.edu>
I think a Ytse convention is a wonderful idea. I also get the
impression that the majority of Ytsejammers are college students, like
myself. In general, college students tend to not be as finacially well off
as others. I would have an extremly difficult time attending a convention
in New York. And what about those over seas Ytsejammers? I can only
imagine how expensive it would be to fly from Tokyo to New York.
That's why I think the regional Ytse convention is a good idea.
If we all get together on one specific day, maybe we could link up via
the internet. Just a thought.
Another thing, who is going to organize this effort?
Jarrod Ramsey-Lewis
University of Portland
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 15:33:32 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: sloopyjoe69@aol.com
Subject: Re: corruption in the goat herd
Message-ID: <EjGtyQG00YUz0IBvJS@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Organization: Aepithex (guitars)
>
ok, sorry, i was in a bad mood and its a bad joke. but seriously, i'm
sure lots of people on ytsejam like cynic and other progmetal bands,
myself included, but ytsejam is for the discussion of dream theater
whether you like it or not, whether you think its irrelevant or not.
we happen to like them and you cant change that. sorry.
but you sleep like a ghost with me -william bajzek- come to my madness
its as simple as that -http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu- my opium den
so tell me i'm mad -/u/wb2a/home--/cdsale-/reviews- come to my madness
roll me up and breathe me in -guitars,aepithex- make sense of it again
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 17:03:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
To: DT:;@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU
Subject: copying/dubbing
Message-ID: <01HNCVD2Q9MA0003PK@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
hello ytsejammers!
on the subject of dubbing cds.... i think this is an excellent way to spread
the news so to speak about a band that is good and not popular... in high
school i listened to nothing but classical music but a friend gave me a tape
with three songs on it because we had discussed weird time signatures one day..
the songs were: 1> Jacob's Ladder
2> YYZ
3> La Villa Strangiato
i certainly got hooked real fast and soon found myself with copies of about 6
rush albums...i now own cd versions of all but 4 rush albums and all of DT
stuff which the same friend also had dubbed I&W for me... without this "illegal"act, these two wonderful bands wouldnt have sold 20 albums to me....
that prety much shows how useful it can be....
by the way.....
*********************************************************
OHIO/MIDWEST DUB SITE:
i am dubbing 10-15 copies of the Kev Moore demo tape for the first
people who mail me form my area....so far no one has.....
i hope to trade for boots but would like to trade for prog bands i havent
heard also....mail me and i'll send you my "dubbing agreement" ;)
*******************************************************************************
Anthony Kozar "The Divine Spirit found a sublime outlet in
Univ. of Toledo that wonder of analysis, that portent of the
1042 Acad. Ctr. ideal world, that amphibian between being
akozar@UofT02.utoledo.edu and not-being, which we call the imaginary
http://www.utoledo.edu/~akozar/ root of negative unity." -- Leibniz
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 15:27:09 MST
From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: DT on Howard Stern!!
Message-ID: <8A69772339@UCS.ISU.EDU>
>> this also got me thinking.
>> since dt is from the NY area (for the most part), why doesn't some
>> latenight talkshow ask them to be on...somone like Letterman for
>> example? that would be cool...
>Because if you wan't to be on a late night talk show as a musical
>guest, you're songs must be under 3 minutes, 'cuz that's all the time
>you're alloted :) Guess we won't be seeing them on TV anytime soon.
This is not particularly true. Last I heard, Megadeth was on David
Letterman and they played two of their songs, which are definitely in
no way 1:30 minute songs. (That would make them more like Green Day
wouldn't it?) I'm sure they could play Take the Time with absolutely
no problem. If they played on any talk show, it'd be the first time
for me to watch one for about two years.
ChucK
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:32:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Slick Doggy Dawg <polzin@glibm11.cen.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: dt fan populations
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.90.950222162553.6529A-100000@glibm11.cen.uiuc.edu>
At the college that i attend i have turned a lot of people into Dream
Theater fans. It is really easy because Dream Theater has a variety of
styles of music. Songs like Surrounded to Lie. I cant say that they are
die hard fans like me and listen to one of their cds a day, but i have
gotten people to go buy albums. I have met at least 15 people who
already liked dt before i met them. And when the cd Awake came out there
was a line of dt fans waiting for the cd. (Although this number is hard
to tell because there were other albums coming out at the same time.)
They store sold out of the cd and i saw about 20 or 30 of them with
people still asking. The popularity could also be because there actually
is air play for dt and they had cd and memorabilia give aways on the
station. Sorry for the boring note but i thought i would just comment on
the dt popularity in my area. Later.
Ed Polzin
WWW: http://isr0900.urh.uiuc.edu
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:46:36 -0500 (EST)
From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Kev demos
Message-ID: <199502221746.MAA00621@rpc14.gl.umbc.edu>
Hey, Jammers:
Although I can't really condone Sloppyjoe69's flamage in the last 'jam, I too
am, for the most part, unimpressed w/ Kevin Moore's demos. I don't hate them,
but I can't say that I like them either. I guess I just didn't want to be the
first to say anything bad about them. Personally, I think the compositions are
mediocre at best, and his vocals have to go. But this, of course, is just my
opinion and I certainly understand that people like them. We jammers all have
ecectic musical tates, but we're all eclectic in a different way, I'm sure.
If this is the music that Kev likes to play, I applaud his convictions in
leaving the band to pursue it, and "Moore" power to him<sorry>. I definitely
wish him all the success and happiness he deserves.
God forbid having Dream Theater as an opening band!!! That would really suck.
Especially for VH. VH is good in their own way, but that new single<Wanna Hear
What ED Can Do?>sucks. I would MUCH rather hear Eddie play keys than guitar;
his tapping is soooo tired<I could listen to him nail the harmonics all day,
though!>My favorite VH song is Right Now, but every time I hear it now I think
of Crystal Pepsi! Dream Theater is the best, and anything less than a full
show and I would feel cheated. This DT/VH thing would NEVER HAPPEN IN A
MILLION YEARS anyway, so why worry?
One more thing; on a video bootleg of FW, in Monument, Joe DiBiase<bass> capos
up at about the 5th fret. Anyone know why?
See ya,
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:51:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Free Mike Tyson
Message-ID: <199502221751.MAA16771@beryl.cs.brandeis.edu>
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 09:28:39 -0500 (EST)
> From: BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu
> Subject: Mike Portnoy
>
> Hello everyone, it's Babs. I was messing with the FTP sites and I found
> a bunch of DT pictures. I need feedback from anyone who is familiar with
> this because something came to my attention that really bothered me. I
> found a picture of Mike P and there was a sign across his drum kit that
> said "Free Mike Tyson". It really freaked me, because Mike P doesn't strike
> me as the type that would condone wife/girlfriend beating. Could somebody
> please explain the story behind this? I don't want my image of Mike Portnoy
> to be shattered, please tell me that he just has a sick or way off sense of
> humor! -BABS
Mike expained on a radio broadcast before the show that he is a huge
boxing fan, and a fan of Tyson, and he didn't want to offend anyone...
I don't have the tape w/ me right now, but I can check later on for
the exact quote later if anyone wants it... (BTW, it was the
Indianapolis show that this picture was taken from)
--
+----------------------------------------+----------------+---------+
| And I'll smile and learn to pretend | Dream Theater | Michael |
| And I'll never be open again | Space Dye Vest | Burstin |
| And I'll have no more dreams to defend |-----Awake------+---------+
| And I'll never be open again | Pgh Penguins: 13-1-2 |
+----------------------------------------+--------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
http://cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/home.html
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 13:38:31 -0500
From: hafke@panix.com (David Hafke)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com,
Subject: Re: Convention on Long Island?
Message-ID: <199502221838.AA14804@panix4.panix.com>
>think it should be on Long Island ;) It's also something DT themselves would
>probably come to. BTW how many NY ytsejammers are here? Long Island?
>
I second, that. Let's put it to a vote.
How about Long Beach when the weather gets warmer.
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 14:00:30 CST
From: Brandon Vaughn <EDLEADER@uwf.cc.uwf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: I&W Tab source
Message-ID: <m0rhNH1-0001KBC@donews.cts.com>
For those of you who may want to order the I&W
Tab book, I ordered mine from:
Guitar One-Stop
410-242-2744
I guess I could have gotten it from my music
store, but I imagined having difficulty in such
a "country" type town I live in. Anyway, if you
have trouble at your music store and don't want
to try direct to Warner Bros., give these guys
a call. I've done business with them before, and
they are good.
****** Brandon Vaughn / Edleader@uwf.bitnet *****
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:11:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Hailey <pass@u.washington.edu>
To: digest <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Guitar tabs
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91c.950222120713.16203D-100000@homer23.u.washington.edu>
For those who are interested, the main address of the guitar tab site is
nevada.edu
It's usually pretty busy, but if you can't get in, it gives you a list of
mirror sites.
I've been using it for about two years and it's one of my best finds.
(Ytsejam is another, of course!)
Chris (no, the other one)
*---* "I am a Rock, I am an Island" -- P.Simon *---*
* *
* R.Christopher Hailey *---* I am one who delights in *
* pass@u.washington.edu * * all manifestation of the *
* tfunster@aol.com *---* terpsichorean muse -- mp *
* *
*---* "One must put up barriers To keep one's self intact" -- N.Peart
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 15:21:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Tejus Korde <bdon@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: THE FIRST JAMS
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.950222151959.3455C-100000@rac7.wam.umd.edu>
> One more thing, does anybody have a copy of the first Ytsejam news
> letter saved on their machine? If so would they be willing to forward a
> copy to me? I am interested in reading the hot topics of the first few
> jams.
Me too. Can anybody forward them to me also? Thanks.
Brandon: bdon@wam.umd.edu
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:23:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Hailey <pass@u.washington.edu>
To: digest <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Magellan (no true DT content)
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91c.950222121137.16203E-100000@homer23.u.washington.edu>
Surprisingly, I found a copy of Magellan's "Impending Ascension"
yesterday and have had a chance to listen to it twice so far.
My reaction:
Wow. It is _so_ hard to find a band that is dynamic these days....The
first song just drags you in with hook after hook, then settles down, and
then pulls a few more punches, sort of like a classical composition
would. Because of the many places that are visited in the first few
moments, some listeners might call it contrived. But I would have to
say, how many songs do you know of that are not contrived? There are very
few that are not consciously crafted with an ear for the listener. And
this song takes that idea and pushes it to the maximum, just astounding
the listener. So I was impressed. And that was at first listen.
So I would say that this band succeeds on the first level... Now I have
to listen some more, and see if they succeed on that ever-so-important
second level, the more esoteric level...
I'd like to note that I noticed a veritable plethora of influences,
among them Queen and Yes (vocals), Marillion (Waterfront Wierdos esp),
ELP (keys) and Rush, and probably lots of others. yummy disc.
Chris
*---* "I am a Rock, I am an Island" -- P.Simon *---*
* *
* R.Christopher Hailey *---* I am one who delights in *
* pass@u.washington.edu * * all manifestation of the *
* tfunster@aol.com *---* terpsichorean muse -- mp *
* *
*---* "One must put up barriers To keep one's self intact" -- N.Peart
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:29:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Hailey <pass@u.washington.edu>
To: digest <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: more non-DT contents: Guitar music
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91c.950222122327.16203F-100000@homer23.u.washington.edu>
For all of those interested in instrumental guitar stuff like Gary Hoey,
Joe Satriani, &c, &c. -- Check out the Hellcasters.
I picked them up about two weeks ago -- the album "the Return of the
Hellcasters," and was floored. The first half is completely
unbelievable, and the second is very good.
It's a trio of guitarists who have a wide range of influences.
Bluegrassy feel, but *definitely* not country!
Very highly recommended.
(I got their second album yesterday, and have only had a chance to listen
to it once. More of the same, I think, except different. I didn't hear
any skanky tracks, so things look good!)
Chris
*---* "I am a Rock, I am an Island" -- P.Simon *---*
* *
* R.Christopher Hailey *---* I am one who delights in *
* pass@u.washington.edu * * all manifestation of the *
* tfunster@aol.com *---* terpsichorean muse -- mp *
* *
*---* "One must put up barriers To keep one's self intact" -- N.Peart
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 13:30:32 -0700 (MST)
From: William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: jester
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502221303.A8021-0100000@casual1>
Hi Paul,
I think I've seen your band Jester in Toronto. I'm currently living in
Calgary, Alberta, Canada, but I think you guys played at the Gasworks a
few years back in Toronto as well as Teasers I think in St. Catharines.
I remember hearing Best I Can by Queensryche, and also No More Tears I
think. I also remember some older tunes with keyboards. Am I right?
Will
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 15:51:12 -0600 (CST)
From: Ricky Booth <rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: DT reference in my school newspaper...
Message-ID: <199502222151.PAA24047@galaxy.galstar.com>
> Wow... at least one other person in my school has heard of DT... and
> I am impressed... :) One of my friends who is an editor on the
> school paper asked me for the name of DT's drummer & bass player... I
I'm the features editor on my school newspaper and I did a music review
on Awake... About a week later while in the lunch line a guy said "Hey,
you're the guy in the newspaper. You like DT too? I've never met anyone
else that's heard of them!" or something to that extent. It was
interesting...
--
_ __
_____(_)____/ /__ #########/ Rick Booth; rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com /~###
/ ___/ / ___/ //_/ #######/' "Loss of intrest, question, wonder /~#####
/ / / / /__/ ,< #####/' waves of fear, they pull me under." /~#######
/_/ /_/\___/_/|_| ###/'_The Frayed Ends of Sanity_ / Metallica /~#########
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 17:13:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Ytse convention
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950222170941.2886B-100000@oak.liii.com>
On Wed, 22 Feb 1995 HuntNKill@aol.com wrote:
>
> This is an awesome idea! Where should it be? Who's gonna organize it? I
> think it should be on Long Island ;) It's also something DT themselves would
> probably come to. BTW how many NY ytsejammers are here? Long Island?
>
> Yours,
> Jeff =)
>
>
>
I'm from Long Island (but you already knew that)
This Ytsejam convention would be a million times better if it included a
Dream Theater U.S. Covers Gig. Or even just a special gig for fans in the
NY Metro area (and fans with airline tickets) who have supported them
since they started.
It's been a long time since they've played Long Island.
Andy
akeegan@liii.com
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mental slavery, of life,
None but ourselves can free And that's your own"
our mind" - B. Marley - Levellers
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 17:03:11 -0500 (EST)
From: "J. Daggar" <DAGGARJON@urvax.urich.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Goat herds and petty egos
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502221631.A330038-0100000@urvax.urich.edu>
> third, there is a tendency to "ride the bandwagon" in regard to new material
> related to DT. for example, _Awake_ is the ultimate in generic progressive
> metal and the kevin moore demos truly eat it, yet these sheep praise them
> endlessly just like they were "the emperor's new clothes." god forbid
> that anyone should bring up any topic which portays these prog-metal gods
> in a bad light. I am not afraid to say that these are shitty pieces of music
> because it is truth.
Let the record show that The All-Mighty Music Oracle has spoken.
All Hail the Petty Ego. M'self, I like Awake, not as much as Images +
Words or Dream and Day Unite, but it's still good, and still quite a bit
separated from "generic". But this is besides the point. The point is that
A] with the exception of extremes like the Village People or Bee-Gees,
taste in music is quite subjective, and B] those who try to
> you all have failed the human litmus test. i hate you and i hope die.
How exectly do you define "human"? Pompous, egotistical people
who happen to agree with you? Funny, I'd have a considerably different
name for them...
> it has come to my attention that this mailing list has become a forum for
> pseudo-intellectual types to spout out intellectual poppycock about things
> that are trivial.
Well, I hate to admit it, but he's right here. Does it really
matter if it's spelled "theater" or "Theatre"? And of course, the
message I'm responding to is one of the pettiest things I've ever seen.
No doubt someone with vanity like yours will insist on flaming a
reply with lots of exclamation points, expletitives and pseudo-Nietzche
philosophy. It's probably inevitable, like one of Skinner's rats pushing
the food button, but I ask that you reply to my own address instead of
jamming up the list (DaggarJon@Urvax.Urich.Edu). I would have done so
m'self, but I lost yours.
This mind left intentionally blank. J. Daggar
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 17:37:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: corruption in the goat herd
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950222173332.2886D-100000@oak.liii.com>
On Wed, 22 Feb 1995, Ricky Booth wrote:
>
> You know, I actually thought this post meant something, I actually
> thought it had content of some sort, a real opinion. Ah, but you see, it
> comes from AOL. Nevermind.
>
>
Get a clue, Ricky. The original post included the most nonsense ever sent
to Ytsejam, and all you can do is flame everyone on AOL for the stupidity
of one individual.
Andy
akeegan@liii.com
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 17:37:24 -0500
From: "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: corruption in the goat herd
Message-ID: <199502222237.RAA00618@o231-24.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
>I am not afraid to say that these are shitty pieces of music
>because it is truth.
Wrong. It is an OPINION. Unfortunately, you
are NOT God of music, so what you say isn't truth,
only subjective.
And you're address is a rather pathetic attempt at
forging email.
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 18:01:07 -0500
From: jjens@osf1.gmu.edu (John Jens, Jr.)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: corruption in the goat herd
Message-ID: <9502222301.AA16254@gmu.edu>
Greetings fellow 'Jammers,
i realize this is pointless but so what...
>it has come to my attention that this mailing list has become a forum for
>pseudo-intellectual types to spout out intellectual poppycock about things
>that are trivial.
hmm...too bad you don't understand what you're talking about.
>furthermore, i have noticed a movement on this list which praises mediocre
^^^^^^^^
*YOUR* oppinion
>material (i.e. bon jovi, extreme, and van halen) with no relation to DT
>while talented musicians nlike cynic, thought industry and others
>remain conveniently ignored.
so? point? maybe no one wants to talk about them. i personally have never
heard either bands. i've heard OF Cynic and they din't sound interesting to
me. so why would i talk about them?
>third, there is a tendency to "ride the bandwagon" in regard to new material
>related to DT. for example, _Awake_ is the ultimate in generic progressive
>metal and the kevin moore demos truly eat it,
again, *YOUR* oppinion...
>yet these sheep praise them
^^^^^
hey, that's MY analogy ;) if you don't understand it, dont use it.
>endlessly just like they were "the emperor's new clothes." god forbid
>that anyone should bring up any topic which portays these prog-metal gods
>in a bad light. I am not afraid to say that these are shitty pieces of music
>because it is truth.
geez, *YOUR* oppinion once AGAIN...and it's not the truth. to quote Jack
Nicholson (great guys, btw, IMO :) "You can't *handle* the truth!"
>you all have failed the human litmus test. i hate you and i hope die.
merry christmas and happy new year to you too :)
>Sloppyjoe69
bet it took a while to think that one up, eh?
'nough,
john
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John C. Jens, Jr. "You could make a choice,
jjens@gmu.edu but you never learned to think."
http://www.site.gmu.edu/~jjens/ -Fates Warning
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 18:01:36 -0500
From: John B Ashcraft <jbashcra@uncc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: corruption in the goat herd
Message-ID: <199502222301.SAA23767@unccsun.uncc.edu>
>>>>You know, I actually thought this post meant something, I actually
thought it had content of some sort, a real opinion. Ah, but you see, it
comes from AOL. Nevermind.
Why nust people put down AooLers. There are a lot of big DT fans that are on
AOL. So lets no start AOL bashing on this list just because of what that
SloppyJoe asshole wrote!! Also all of you who have your Kevin Moore tape
go t them from a AOLer right Jen?
Trey
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 17:07:15 -0600
From: petedz@interaccess.com (Peter Dziadzka)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: corruption in the goat herd
Message-ID: <199502222324.RAA13623@home.interaccess.com>
>you all have failed the human litmus test. i hate you and i hope die.
Those of us with a modicum of intelligence will read the above line and
cheerfully ignore the rest of this person's post.
BTW, thanks to everyone who mentioned Marillion. I finally broke down
and picked up 'Clutching At Straws'. I'm completely blown away.
Pete Dziadzka
petedz@interaccess.com
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 19:04:19 -0500
From: "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: unrelated. Yes stuff
Message-ID: <199502230004.TAA00642@o231-24.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
> These two albums have Jon
>Anderson on vocals, Steve Howe on guitar, Chris Squire on bass, Rick
>Wakeman on keys, and Fragile has Bruford, Close to the Edge has White on
>drums I believe.
Nope, Bruford is on both.
Speaking of Yes, Squire is apparently working out more,
becoming Mr. Energy. Now if he can channel that into his
work, I'd be a happy man :)
Dom'ny
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 19:08:28 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Intern
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.950222190459.32107A-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
This message is directed to the one who calls himself (I assume
you're a guy) "Hairball." How did your friend manage to land his
internship at the record company? I would be very interested in following
suit. Thanks.
Richie
p.s. To the dude that called us all "sheep" for liking DT, I just have
one word: "whatever."
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 19:27:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Rob Weychert <weyc9212@kutztown.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: SloppyJoe69's post
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950222192520.26591C-100000@atlantic>
Hey everybody,
Settle down! :) I got a kick out of SloppyJoe's post! I certainly
don't agree with him, but I thought it was pretty damn funny! Don't take
it so seriously! :)
--Rob
P.S.--I too think the YtseJam convention would be really fucking cool.
Alas, I am a male and have no mind for organization, so please let me
know when everything is set up... ;)
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