YTSEJAM digest 721

Date: Mon Feb 27 1995 - 01:38:55 EST

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    Today's Topics:

      1) RE: Regional Ytse-gathers
     by Oscar van Eijk <>
      2) Dream Band, YJ Conv.
     by Evan Thomson <>
      3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 717
      4) Re: nuthin'
     by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <>
      5) DT vocals/Metal Blade's Address?
     by STEVE SMITS <>
      6) YTSE convention band?
     by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <>
      7) Nyquist and other electro stuff
     by (
      8) YTSE Convention
      9) Minimal DT Content! =)
     by Hairball <>
     10) Re: boot list available!
     by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <>
     11) Controversey - Portnoy vs. Peart
     by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <>
     12) Re: More Thoughts:
     by An Angel's Kiss... <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
     13) Re: Controversey - Portnoy vs. Pearty
     by John B Ashcraft <>
     14) Re: Recording Shit 2
     by Greg "Big Brother" Lee <>
     15) Re: DoE for sale
     by An Angel's Kiss... <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
     16) Random Thoughts...
     by Hairball <>
     17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 720
     by John Mastin <>
     18) playing catch-up
     by John Mastin <>
     by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <>
     20) Re: Dream Theater info/ Steve Taylor...
     by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <>
     21) "Ytse"???
     by Jim Beavens <beavenj@ECE.ORST.EDU>
     22) Re: YTSEJAM digest 719
     by John Ambrose <>
     23) RE: In Defense of One "Goth"
     24) Hello there I'm new
     by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <>


    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:41:15 WET
    From: Oscar van Eijk <>
    Subject: RE: Regional Ytse-gathers
    Message-ID: <>

    > Babs had the right idea about meeting other people from the list serve...
    > and whoever replied about it being regional got another vote...

    Yeah, cool! Who's in for a Dutch meeting ? I know there'll be at least 4 of us!

     Abandon Hope Oscar van Eijk
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    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:23:35 +1100 (EDT)
    From: Evan Thomson <>
    Subject: Dream Band, YJ Conv.
    Message-ID: <>

    Howdy folks, just a few things I'd like to get off my chest.

    1. All these people listing "Dream Bands" with 4 guitarists and 3
    drummers, etc. I thought the point was to narrow it down to your absolute
    favorites? Just for the record here's mine:

       Vocals: Robert Plant
       Drums: John Bonham
       Bass/Keys: John Paul Jones
       Guitars: Jimmy Page


    2. I'd like to ask a question to anyone out there who may know the band
    more intimately than me (which is not at all I suppose)...

       How do they write their songs???
       I heard that for Awake they just "jammed" together in the studio, and
    chose bits they liked or discovered on the spot.
    I find this rather hard to believe. Surely musicians (as talented as they
    are) don't just stumble over Metropolis?
    I would like to think that members have their own ideas that they
    work on, and then introduce to the band. If the "jamming" point is
    correct, what does James do? sit and watch? (although wouldn't you kill
    for that!?)

    3. I'm all for a YJ convention, but I can't make it to the US, so I think
    It should be held in Australia...


    "...but the police have footage of him *actually* nailing
    your head to the coffee table..."

    "oh yeah, he did that. ...He was a cruel man - but fair."


    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:46:41 -0500 (EST)
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 717
    Message-ID: <01HNJDNPIOF6000U65@sgenva.CC.GENESEO.EDU>

    Hello everyone, it's BABS. In response to Jennie Bear's question about
    Tyketto. Yes, I have heard of them. They had a hit about 2-3 years ago
    that still gets radio airplay here in upstate New York. Other than that I
    don't know too much about them. I think that the name of the song was
    something like ..."Forever Young". I hope that I have helped. -BABS


    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:51:42 MST
    From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <>
    Subject: Re: nuthin'
    Message-ID: <FBD57A27CE@UCS.ISU.EDU>

    > 6:00--Obviously the clock on the moon
    > Caught in a Web--Again obvious
    > Innocence Faded--Possibly the old man looking into the mirror at the
    young man
    > Erotomania--???

        I wuz kinda thinking about the erotomania part of picture.
    Notice the city in the background. I think that this is probably the
    name of the city. (If not it's Metroplis, but that belongs on a
    different album cover then, doesn't it?)



    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:50:51 -0600 (CST)
    From: STEVE SMITS <>
    Subject: DT vocals/Metal Blade's Address?
    Message-ID: <>

    Date sent: 27-FEB-1995 09:42:14

            I've often wondered why DT haven't incorporated more harmony vocals
    in their material. JP sings quite well the Silent Man vocals live. I
    wonder if any of the other guys in the group have decent singing voices?
    (Beside that of James of course) I'd probably enjoy their stuff a whole
    lot more. Two of DT's big influences, Kansas and Yes, were and still are
    into using good harmony vocals.

            Could someone post the e-mail address to Metal Blade Records
    please. I had it on the postcard they sent me, but misplaced it. Thanks.
            Got FW's Inside Out the other day....damn... Monument is a killer
    tune! Also, that full band version of QR's Someone Else? is

    * "All my life they said I was going down,
    * But I'm still standing, stronger, proud.
    * And today I know there's so much more I can be."
    * - Someone Else? - Queensryche 1994
    * *** Always interested in trading Kansas shows ***
    * Steve Smits


    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:56:40 MST
    From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <>
    Subject: YTSE convention band?
    Message-ID: <FBEA9D3162@UCS.ISU.EDU>

    >Anyways, my favorite DT songs to play on bass these days have gotta
    >be "Ytsejam," "Erotomania," and "6:00."
    >--David Bell

    The bass part for erotomania rocks! It sux to play on a for-string,
    but it's possible (I play it now with few errors) My favorite part
    is when it gets sort of a classical feel and Myung compliments
    Petrucci's guitar solo by running a scale with the guitar. Too bad
    you can't hear it unless you really listen for it. (And then it's
    still hard to hear).
                                      (Still working on transcribing
                                            those keys for bass)


    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 14:31:29 GMT
    From: (
    Subject: Nyquist and other electro stuff
    Message-ID: <>

    I don't know if this has to do with this DT digest, but I wan't to
    mention something about the Nyquist frequency Hairball talked about.

    I thought the Nyquist frequency is twice the bandwith of your
    signal, this isn't exact the same as two times the highest

    Philips is using this in the PASC coding of DCC's. They cut the
    whole audio spectrum in pieces of 600 Hz. each. All these pieces of
    the spectrum are sampled at a rate of 1200 Hz. This reduces the bits
    that are neaded to represent the whole audio signal. So a part of
    the reduction in the DCC system takes place through smart coding.

    The other part of reducing the amount of bits takes place by leaving
    parts out of the signal that are masked by other signals. (In time
    and frequency domain).

    If you wan't to know more about the Pasc coding, please e-mail me.

    I'm caught in the Web

    Twan Korthorst


    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:19:53 -0500 (EST)
    Subject: YTSE Convention
    Message-ID: <01HNJEHD9OC2000NTD@sgenva.CC.GENESEO.EDU>

    Hello everyone. Here is an update on our Ytse Convention:

    So far the response has been really good for the eastern seaboard. I am
    really glad to hear from people in Rochester since I am a half and hour
    south of there. I have a friend in Long Island who recommended the
    Marriott next to the Nassau Coliseum. Since I am still trying to gather
    the total number of people and pinpoint their locations we still don't
    have a definite site. From what I gather mid-June appears to be the time
    that everyone would like to have this. I still am looking for ideas/advice.
    I love the idea of the covers gigs, dream bands,etc. You all are getting me
    really nervous about this. I want this to go well and everyone's like
    let's make this really big. I had a dream the other night that we were in
    some dark auditorium and James walked on stage and turned to tell someone in
    the band "is this all the ytsejams there are?" and then he walked off stage.
    I hope that this is just a panic attack of my sub-conscious! Be patient
    everyone, I'm trying! I understand that there has been rumblings on the
    West Coast of having a convention out there? At this point I'm ready to
    pack up my bikini and go!!!!!!! I promise you all I will get more focused on
    this. I had a rough weekend (an unexpected call from an ex-boyfriend) -
    you know that special someone that you should have never gotten mixed up with
    in the first place :) Take care and I will be writing.


    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:58:13 -0500 (EST)
    From: Hairball <>
    Subject: Minimal DT Content! =)
    Message-ID: <>

    > From: Mats Rydstr\vm <>
    > Subject: WDADU production

    > well and I like the trigged snare but some of his chinas/crashes sound
    > like shit and also

            I take it you mean I&W. Personally, I can't STAND that snare
    sound. It has no life. Just a big heavy thud. Blech.

    Re: Matti-
    > Have any of you drummers out there heard the record Burning for Buddy,
    > produced by Neil Peart? If you have, tell me if it's good.

            Well, I'm not really a drummer, but, I'll tell you - that album
    is phenomenal. Very good material, nice production.

    > PS.Sorry, my poor english.

            Matti, your english is better than many Americans. =) Don't worry.

    > 5. Why is the name of Dream Theater as it is, and not Dream Theatre?
    > Is this the difference between English (I've learned at school) and
    > American English?
    > Twan Korthorst

            It's like the band Living Colour. In American, a language so
    different than the "King's English" that I don't even call it English, we
    spell it "Color."

            Here, "Colour" kinda sticks out to our eyes, looking different
    than the spelling we are accustomed to. However, in England (and I
    remember seeing a video tape of a band member saying this), people said,
    "Yeah, So?" =)

            Basically, it's just an alteration of a spelling. There's a few
    other instances of it in the language of American.

            The color/colour that is a combination of black & white is
    spelled two ways here:

            Gray and Grey.

            Both are acceptable.

            Don't worry too much about things like that. We'll know what
    you're talking about. <grin>

    Always trying to do something helpful,


    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 07:59:39 MST
    From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <>
    Subject: Re: boot list available!
    Message-ID: <FAF785288F@UCS.ISU.EDU>

    Hey, Jason,

        I'd really appreciate that boots list. I've been searching
    everywhere to find them and have no clue as to where I may find them.
    The onle boolts I know the names of are the DT boots. Do you have
    any info on QR boots?



    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:08:41 MST
    From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <>
    Subject: Controversey - Portnoy vs. Peart
    Message-ID: <FB1E356969@UCS.ISU.EDU>

    >Even though Portnoy was influenced by Peart, I believe that Portnoy
    >has taken drum playing to new heights with his melodic type beats.

    Ya, man.
        I really like Portnoy's drum style a hell of a lot more than
    Peart's. Mike likes to play the drums as an instrument in the band
    rather than a plain old rhythm section. Every time he hits a drum it
    blends in with the music. He has drums tuned for every key on the
    musical scale. Neil (IMHO) is an excellent drummer who can keep the
    whole song together with all of the signature changes, etc, but
    Mike's better than he is now. (But, of course, Geddy's the one and
    only bass player in my book, next to Steve and Cliff)

        BTW, whoever made that post about Zonder being an awesome
    drummer, where do you get this from? All of the stuff I've heard him
    play are simple 4/4 beats that may alternate between 6/4, or 5/4, but
    he hardly ever uses any drum fills, double bass (I don't even think
    he uses it at all), or cymbal rides (there is one good song where he
    does do this and I love it). He doesn't really rip it up at all on
    either of the two albums I've got.



    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:13:25 -0500 (EST)
    From: An Angel's Kiss... <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
    Subject: Re: More Thoughts:
    Message-ID: <>

    > About this whole Ytsejam Convention/Gathering idea:
    > It's a great idea...but, um...does anyone live nearer to Philly than Long
    > Island?

            Well, I'm from Jersey, and I know a coupla people around me who
            wouldn't mind takin' a road trip around this here parts....

    > Sheesh. =) Although, I did nearly get into an accident approaching the
    > Verazzano Bridge at sunrise. What a gorgeous sight. Made me so mad I
    > didn't have my camera.
            Sunset on the World Trade is very kewl too.....and I never have
            a camera around either......oh well.....

                                                    - Al Balkiewicz
                                                    vocals, Half NAked


    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:17:23 -0500
    From: John B Ashcraft <>
    Subject: Re: Controversey - Portnoy vs. Pearty
    Message-ID: <>

    >>>>Either way, Mark Zonder beats them both.

    No way!!! Doesn't he use a lot of triggers??
    Peart is and always will be the king. Ask either of these drummers who is god
    god and they will say Neil Peart!!!!!!!!!!!!!



    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 10:30:14 EST
    From: Greg "Big Brother" Lee <>
    Subject: Re: Recording Shit 2
    Message-ID: <>

    > I can't believe someone wants me to explain why you can't hear John's
    > bass. Well, you asked for it. =)
    > Okay, more on mixing in the next mail. Any further ?'s on this, please
    > email me directly. I think 90% of the net doesn't give a shit about this. =)
    > Later,

            Not a bad lesson...perhaps the only thing missing was a little lesson
    on the Fletcher Mundson curves...Yes, I probably spelled those names wrong!



    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:31:28 -0500 (EST)
    From: An Angel's Kiss... <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
    Subject: Re: DoE for sale
    Message-ID: <>

    > >
    > > Hi all,
    > >
    > > Since I will soon be be getting another copy of Dance of
    > > Eternity (thanks Mike), I am going to sell my current copy.
    > >
    > > Anyone interested, I'm selling it for $35 including shipping.
    > >
    > > Email me if interested.
    > >
    > > Mike.
    > What is the purpose of this?
    > Z.

            The question I have is - where the hell is the E-mail address?

                                            - Al


    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:35:03 -0500 (EST)
    From: Hairball <>
    Subject: Random Thoughts...
    Message-ID: <>

    > From: Tymoteusz Altman <>
    > Subject: Re: Recording Shit 2

    > thanks a lot for the lesson! i've learned a lot...well no yet, but i
    > did save the article and will go through it later. :)

            Wow, I'm reference material! =)

    > a question to you all:
    > name an album that you think has the best mix in your opinion.

            Oh, Lord! Uh...lemme get back to you on that one. =)

            Personally, Michael Morales's "Thump" takes the cake for glossy
    production. It's a pop-rock record, now out of print. As cheesy as some
    of the things on it are, the recording is nearly perfect.

            On the harder side, King's X's "Dogman" is one of my favorites.

            As for "THE PERFECT MIX," that's difficult. I'll get back to you
    in a few daze on that. =)

    > Seriously, I think this thread is about as interesting as a Richie Sambora
    > guitar lesson. Can we put it to bed?:)
    > Steve Z

            Not to further split off the topic, but, there is at least ONE
    nice thing I will say about Richie Sambora. If you pick up the
    "Adventures of Ford Fairlane" soundtrack (it should be in the bargain
    bin), Richie does a bang-up job on Hendrix's "Wind Cries Mary."

            I used to think he was a wanker. But, after hearing this, I my
    opinion was changed. I now think he's an IDIOT for staying in that
    lame-ass band. The guitar playing, and his vocals were dead on. And the
    production's actually very good.

            Just my .02 - And, no, I don't like BonJovi. =)
    > From: "Brian V. Cox" <>
    > Subject: Galactic Cowboys have broken up

    > sorry to say this to everyone, but i just heard about it. A few days
    > ago Dane Sonnier and Alan Doss left Galactic Cowboys. The band is no
    > more.

            Oh, god, this sucks. I'm going to go commit suicide.

    > i thought i remember someone saying that erotomania is like, religion
    > mania, not sex mania. cuz that's called nymphomania

            Erotomania is a mental disorder in which the afflicted believes
    that a celebrity has a sexual interest in them.


    > Ever think about being a producer? ;-)

            Um, no...actually, I just carry all of this technical information
    around in my head to pick up women. They love it when I whisper, "Roll
    off at 50hz to eliminate muddiness & grunge" in their ears.

            (sorry, sarcasm! <grin>)

            Truth be known, I've learned all this shit because I want to have
    my own studio someday, or, at least work for one. I truly want my band to
    make it so I can afford this studio, which is to be built into the
    basement of my yet undesigned home. (Dad's an architect, ya know?)

    > Get in there and 'fix' John's sound so we can hear it. I guess it may not be
    > possible since I did not understand your post too much, I know nothing about
    > mixing. I guess it's the way he plays.
    > _____(_)____/ /__ #########/ Rick Booth; /~###

            1st of all, if there's something you didn't understand, then, I
    didn't explain it clearly enough. Second, if there's something I can help
    you with, let me know, via email to me.

            Um, I don't think it has a lot to do with his playing style. It's
    tone. It's the bass. It's a lot of things. John's a very competent
    bassist, technique-wise. Honestly, I think a lot of it had to do with the
    production and engineering.

            Awake is a great step forward. Full, yet, it cuts. =)



    > P.S. Has anyone else noticed that the line quoted by LaBrie at the end
    > of "Pull Me Under" is actually "O, that this too too SULLIED flesh would
    > melt..."? (Hamlet 1.2.129)

            Actually, I hadn't. Thanks. Somewhere, I have a text file that someone
    posted about the whole PMU/Hamlet references. I dunno if everyone else
    here has seen it, but, I imagine they have. =) Send me email, and I'll
    mail it to you.


    > I'm a professional bassist (9 years). I agree with many: John's sound
    > could use something. A little boost around the 2KHz area, maybe.
    > Could you imagine all three DT discs with a brutal, punchy
    > Geddyesque sound cutting through the mix? Being able to hear ALL
    > of John's technical prowess in crisp detail? That would just make
    > Dream Theater even more mind blowing than they are. Whew!
    > Russ Brooks

            Russ - Couldn't agree more. However, if you caught my last post,
    my assessment of what happened during mixing was that masking occurred,
    with Petrucci's guitar, and Mike's Kick & Snare (samples, gag), ate that up.

            Also, the problem with knocking up that 2k is if you hit it too
    hard, it sounds overly bright. It's a great idea, however, and, correct

            I'm also a bassist, guitarist, keyboardist & vocalist. =)


    > And would it be called Galactic Crossing?

            Doh, that's funny! haha... =)
            Still, not a bad idea.


    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:46:58 -0500
    From: John Mastin <>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 720
    Message-ID: <199502271546.KAA15263@cybertron>

    who ytsejam


    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:59:29 -0500
    From: John Mastin <>
    Subject: playing catch-up
    Message-ID: <199502271559.KAA15270@cybertron>

    Hi everybody.

    I am in the process of catching up on my 'jams from the weekend. Sorry
    if I am talking about topics already covered. :) I've got 5 'jams to
    get through. Some of this is non-DT!!!!!

    1. Addressed to Hairball: I read your post and yes, I live rather close
       Philly. Actually closer to Trenton. I live in new Jersey right across
       river from Levittown. A teeny place called Florence. Where is your band
       playing locally? I'd like to drop by and see you play if work let's me
       out long enough.. ;) Yo man, your knowledge about sound is incredible.
       My hat's off to you...

    2. Michelle Garcia: Happy belated birthday. :) Hope it was grand!

    3. The send your signature thing: Thanks for the post, Hairball. Stuff
       like that can really throw a wrench into the free speech thing. I say
       send them your signature. Let them know you like things the way they are.
       We don't want Big Brother here! :D

    4. Which latenight talk show: DT would be best suited for the Jon Stewart
       show. His crowd would be the most receptive to them.

    5. Internet mooching: I'm an Internet moocher. :) Really though, I don't
       have a PC at home let alone a Internet connection. SO, all of this babbling
       come from yup, you got it, work. I guess I might fall prey into the catagory
       of those who might dissappear. I work on computers all day; I really don't
       want to sit at one too much when it is leasure time. You don't really have
       many auto mechanics who say to themselves, *Shoot, I think I'll go home and
       work on some cars, for fun.* At my previous job, I was literally tied to a
       laptop and a beeper. It changed my life and instantly I had no life. Now
       that I changed jobs, I don't have this techno-wart on me. And I am learning
       to have a life again that is separate from work. Sad, thrown into the rat
       race at a young age. Too much responsibilities and no pay! Ahh such is life
       and enough of my bitching... put away your violins!

    6. OK the DT stuff: Yes, I would cough up the extra tape for the covers gig.
       Also too, I went out and found WDADU this weekend and got it. Most
       interesting. :D If is a little more commercial then what I am used to but
       (and I might get flamed for this) Charlie didn't sound all that bad with
       them. I did see how his influence was more of the glam material and DT
       isn't really into coming out with bubblegum music. But an enjoyable album,
       none the less. It was neat to hear the studio version of Ytsejam... :D

    7. I do have some thoughts on the SloppyJoe69 thing. It is not a flame; I am
       coming to the conclusion that Ken Bibb was right about the forged user...
       More about that soon. I've been stewing some stuff in my head over the
       weekend.... (Just because I don't take and use a computer at home doesn't
       mean that I don't think about them.. God help me, I'm sick.) :P

    More soon,


    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:02:30 MST
    From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <>
    Message-ID: <FC03F84009@UCS.ISU.EDU>


    >Ever think about being a producer? ;-) Get in there and 'fix' John's
    >sound so we can hear it. I guess it may not be possible since I did
    >not understand your post too much, I know nothing about mixing. I
    >guess it's the way he plays. Oh well. I wish he'd play more like
    >Geddy Lee, I can always hear Geddy really nice.

    Ignoring all of this technical shit I've been hearing about
    compressors and reverbs and the like, I have only one thing to say to
    you techies....
        If you can't hear the damn thing, turn the main volume up! It
    sounds like Myungs playing through a nice little 4" speaker with
    everyone else booming out of 15"ers. I don't know if Myung's shy
    about his basslines and doesn't want them to be heard or if the
    producers keeps bumping his elbow against the Myung's volume control
    but no matter how compressed a signal gets, you can always turn it up
    to hear it better.


    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:15:06 MST
    From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <>
    Subject: Re: Dream Theater info/ Steve Taylor...
    Message-ID: <FC397D19B3@UCS.ISU.EDU>

    >like Saviour Machine, Torman Maxt and an old band, called Haven.
    >These bands prove that Christian Rock can be progressive too!!

    Has anyone ever heard of the band called Crossfire?
        They're a Christian rock band and I've heard it has all of the
    members of QR except Geoff Tate. Anyone verify this?


    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:00:03 -0800 (PST)
    From: Jim Beavens <beavenj@ECE.ORST.EDU>
    Subject: "Ytse"???
    Message-ID: <>

    Now that I've finally gotten on the list, I thought I'd test it out by
    asking a question I'm curious about (don't worry, it's an easy one, and
    has probably been answered before...)

    How do you pronounce "ytse"?

    Is it "white-see"?
    or maybe "yutzee" or "yetzee?"
    how about "it-see"?

    I'm sure someone has heard the band pronounce it before...any ideas?



               Jim Beavens |"Early to rise and early to bed,
         Oregon State University | makes a man wise but socially dead."
    Electrical & Computer Engineering |
          beavenj@ECE.ORST.EDU | -- Animaniacs


    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 12:05:59 EST
    From: John Ambrose <>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 719
    Message-ID: <>

    Hello, fellow 'Jammers!

            First off, I am an unabashed Rush fanatic. I like Dream Theater, and
    I think Mike Portnoy is an excellent drummer. Of course, I prefer Neil
    Peart, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

            One thing I would like to take exception with, though, is the notion
    that Portnoy plays "harder" than Peart. If you're comparing Portnoy's
    "Metropolis" with Peart's "Tai Shan," I guess you're right. But, even
    Portnoy's heaviest parts don't compare with such rockers as "The Temples of
    Syrinx" and "Cygnus X-1."


    P.S. This is not a flame!


    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:30:54 C
    Subject: RE: In Defense of One "Goth"
    Message-ID: <>

    In Ytsejam #705, Zach said:

    >>Of course. The "Alternative" [music] crowd, are a bunch of hypocrites
    to think that they are the 90's equivalent of "counter-culture". The
    whole scene is a sad parody of itself.<<

    Speaking of which... anybody else notice that the lyrics to Fates' "Static
    Acts" perfectly mocks the so-called alternative scene of today? (Of course it
    wasn't written to; Perfect Symmetry came out in 89...)


    Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:32:15 MST
    From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <>
    Subject: Hello there I'm new
    Message-ID: <FD82ED1C50@UCS.ISU.EDU>

    This is for Twan, read it if you like, if you don't, skip it...

    >1. Who, Why, What is Ytsejam? (I also found it on several WWW pages)

        It's majesty spelled backwards, th name of the band before they
    changed it to Dream Theater (because of copyright laws)

    >2. Reading about the .com .edu etc disussion I'm wondering: How many
    >subscribers are in Europe?

    Cant' tell ya...

    >3. I found on the net a DT demo for Windows, was it really as bad as
    >I saw, or did I miss something?

    Never heard of it, tell me where you found it, tho.. :)

    >4. Because of the fact that the radio stations in the Netherlands
    >doesn't pay much attention to Dream Theater, I missed the why of
    >Moore's leaving the band. At MTV's Headbangers Ball they also didn't
    >pay attention to it. The members of the band repeated several times
    >the band grew tighter to each other (is this English?), but when
    >somebody leaves a band this isn't ok, is it?

    Kevin left the band to take on a solo career and for possibly other
    reasons I think few of us may know about. I don't think his heart
    was into the music as much as he wanted it to be because the music
    was not all his. I understand how he feels about this, because there
    are times when, in a band, you don't agree with a song someone else
    comes up with and a small ego problem arises. You end up fighting
    over who the better songwriter is and songs that could have been
    great, get dropped.

    >5. Why is the name of Dream Theater as it is, and not Dream Theatre?
    >Is this the difference between English (I've learned at school) and
    >American English?

    This is how it's spelled in America (especially when referring to
    movie theaters.) The old (and therefore proper english) spelling for
    it is Theatre. Reading old texts and such, you will find this.

    what: I succeeded in getting a ticket!! Yoeghee!!
    What? Well same to you buddy! ;)
    >Further I want to mention that if someone is missing the bass parts
    >of John, I think it's time to buy another pair of speakers. I myself
    >enjoy his parts very much.

    I've tried. I run my DT stuff through my 15" bass speaker, and it
    does me no good. all I get is Mike's bass drum...


                                                        Hope I helped!
    P.S. Sorry for posting this on the list. It won't happen again.


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