YTSEJAM Digest 722
Today's Topics:
1) T-shirts
by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
2) more various stuff...
by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
3) Petrucci article.
by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
4) Asia...again.
by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
5) Re: Awake cover
by Brian Nielsen <norman@iesd.auc.dk>
6) RE: DT vocals/Metal Blade's Address?
by "Debra D. Hanson 813-332-1969" <HANSOND@mail.firn.edu>
7) Nyquist and other electro stuff
by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
8) Re: Controversey - Portnoy vs. Peart
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
9) Re: More Thoughts:
by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
10) Re: Controversey - Portnoy vs. Pearty
by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
11) Re: Controversey - Portnoy vs. Pearty
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
12)
by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
13) Re: Ytsejam 716/ *some* DT content
by "DANIEL JAMES TEMMESFELD" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
14) Re: Hello I'm new here
by rbenedic@gac.edu (Nypsie)
15) Re: playing catch-up
by Ricky Booth <rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com>
16) Mixing Jons bass, etc...
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
17) Re: THIS IS FOR HAIRBALL
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 721
by Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
19) Peart vs. Portnoy
by be298@yfn.ysu.edu (Asif I. Khan)
20) Re: Asia...again.
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
21) Sampler tapes of Progressive music
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
22) samples
by "David John Baranski" <djbarans@eos.ncsu.edu>
23) Hairball's explanation
by srvrip@qualcomm.com (John Hough)
24) Re: "Ytse"???
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
25) Re: YTSEJAM digest 718
by Qghost@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:53:40 MST
From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: T-shirts
Message-ID: <FDDDFF1B9C@UCS.ISU.EDU>
> Hello everyone,
> Just want to introduce myself. My name's Brian and I'm here at
>Penn State. I just subscribed last week so I'm pretty new to all of
>this.
> I'll keep this short, I'm interested in picking up an Ytsejam T-
>shirt. I was informed (thanks Babs) that Jason Giles is the man with
>the T's. So if your out there Jason, please send me some info,
>thanks. Later,
> Brian
Me, too! I wanna T-Shirt! Puh-lease send me the info, too.
Seriously,
ChucK
reischar@ucs.isu.edu
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:57:07 MST
From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: more various stuff...
Message-ID: <FDECCB0DF3@UCS.ISU.EDU>
>Regarding a DT cover band:
>I'd be into it, totally. However, there's a few problems:
>1) I only have a 4 string bass, a 6 string guitar, and a crappy
>keyboard. 2) I live in Philly.
Unfortunately for me, ALL i'VE BEEN LEARNING OF LATE ARE qUEENSRYCHE
COVERS.
Doh! Hit the Caps lock key.
I also live in the land of the Dream Theatrically dead, so I doubt if
there would be a con within 300 miles of where I live...
ChucK
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:08:49 MST
From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Petrucci article.
Message-ID: <FE1ECD7B0C@UCS.ISU.EDU>
In a new guitar magazine (new to me) called Guitar One, there's
an article about JP's first ever gig. It cracked me up imagining the
thing as I read it. He talks about how all of the kids in his
hometown were atarting up bands, so the took his first guitar (he
said it was plastic) to Kevin's (Moore) house to jam. His forst gig
ended up being at a church he broke his g string and fell off of the
stage, (or something to that effect). He said that he's fallen off of
the stage at other shows (he said he just did recently because the
stage just dropped off.) Heh, heh.
Could you imagine being at one of their concerts and seeing him
going all out on his guitar, not paying attention, and falling into
the crowd. That'd be something to laugh about (as long as he didn't
get hurt). BTW, it's on the second to the last page, if you want to
look for it. It's got the same header as regular guitar mag's and
practically all of the 12 transcriptions in it suck. (Smells like
Teen Spirit is the first one, who needs tabs for that?)
---DT-related data ends here---
ChucK
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:23:33 MST
From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Asia...again.
Message-ID: <FE5D896817@UCS.ISU.EDU>
I just recently bought Rush's "2112" and wasn't impressed. It
wasn't at all what I expected, I guess. Sorry, don't flame me, I
really do like Moving Pictures, and all of this really old prog stuff
is hard for me to get into. (I mean, 2112 was made before I was
born). I really like some old stuff like the Eagles, Creedance, and
Pink Floyd, but it can really tank a new genereation guy like me up
on that weird keyboard shit right at the begining. (Maybe it's cause
I was anticipating listening to King's X is why I didn't like it as
much). I'll listen to it more later. Side 2, perhaps... (I changed
it before Tears to listen to King's X)
Out of the Silent Planet kicks butt, however, I love it! I think
it's one of their better releases, not as good a GGtN, of course.
Ahh... I finally got a hold of Asia, "Aqua" and I highly
recommend it to you all. Unfortunatly, Whetton's off the list on
this one, but I didn't even realize it until I read the album cover.
Their new singer sounds just like him. Also the bass is a different
style that Whetton's, too, and that kinduv sux. But as an added
bonus, you get to hear Steve Howe on rhythmn (and some lead) guitars.
He also plays the mandolin on a couple of tracks. Geoff Downes and
Carl Palmer are still the respective keyboardist and drummer :)
It's not really progressive, but if you like Asia, it's one of their
best (except for Asia, "Asia"). The blend of music, background
vocals, excellent drums and keys, and guitar melodies makes this one
awesome album to listen to. My total anti-pussy music friend even
liked it! (That's what he calls Adult oriented rock, pussy music)
ChucK
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 18:40:48 +0100
From: Brian Nielsen <norman@iesd.auc.dk>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Awake cover
Message-ID: <199502271740.SAA28862@black.iesd.auc.dk>
>>>>> "Bracken" == Bracken Odiorne <brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU> writes:
Bracken> See what you think. First, perhaps the symbol
Bracken> representing Scarred is the factory to the lower left
Bracken> "scarring" the landscape. Of course the factory has
Bracken> nothing to do with the lyrical content, but that's just
Bracken> my $0.02, I could be wrong. Also, one could certainly
Bracken> consider the statue "the Silent Man." And the figure in
Bracken> the mirror is slightly faded as in "Innocence Faded." Of
Bracken> course there are the obvious ones: the Mirror, Space-Dye
Bracken> Vest (maybe not as obvious, but close enough for
Bracken> govt. work), 6:00, and Caught In A Web. I have no ideas
Bracken> about "Lifting Shadows...", "Lie", or "Erotomania", or
Bracken> "Voices." That's it for the time being Bracken
I have an idea about Lie. Considering the relationship between Mirror
and Lie, I get "the mirror lie". And so it does, as the old guy (looks
like a statue, i.e. he's the silent man as you say yourself) looks in
the mirror and sees a young man. That gotta be a lie, right?
Nah, maybe its just me :)
-- +------------------------------------------------+ | Brian Nielsen | | Department of Mathematics and Computer Science | | Aalborg University, Denmark | | | | email: norman@iesd.auc.dk | +------------------------------------------------+------------------------------
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:04:59 EST From: "Debra D. Hanson 813-332-1969" <HANSOND@mail.firn.edu> To: "ytsejam@arastar.com" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: RE: DT vocals/Metal Blade's Address? Message-ID: <D400ZVQMK6Q4B*/R=FIRNVX/R=A1/U=HANSOND/@MHS>
Address for Metal Blade is MtlBldRcds@aol.com
Maria is usually the person who answers the mail.
Good luck! And I agree, Monument is one killer song from Fates new album!
Deb
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:31:12 MST From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Nyquist and other electro stuff Message-ID: <1017E903DC4@UCS.ISU.EDU>
>I don't know if this has to do with this DT digest, but I wan't to >mention something about the Nyquist frequency Hairball talked about.
>I thought the Nyquist frequency is twice the bandwith of your >signal, this isn't exact the same as two times the highest >frequency.
>Twan
What? Let's this engineering and audio data to a low level here. It's not quite pertinent to this list. I kinduv liked the first couple, but this is turning into, as I said to hairball before, An email nerd festival. (No offense, great career you've chosen for yourself, wanna be my band's producer?)
Thanx, ChucK
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:34:26 -0500 (EST) From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Controversey - Portnoy vs. Peart Message-ID: <sjIYJWy00YUzAZsIRB@andrew.cmu.edu>
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"UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu> writes: > BTW, whoever made that post about Zonder being an awesome > drummer, where do you get this from? All of the stuff I've heard him > play are simple 4/4 beats that may alternate between 6/4, or 5/4, but
that's completely wrong. fates are very subtle with their time signatures. listen closer
> he hardly ever uses any drum fills, double bass (I don't even think
face the fear, monument.
> he uses it at all), or cymbal rides (there is one good song where he
what the hell? cant you hear those high hats?
> does do this and I love it). He doesn't really rip it up at all on > either of the two albums I've got.
he's subtle and he's not a showoff. he kicks ass with class
but you sleep like a ghost with me -william bajzek- come to my madness its as simple as that -http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu- my opium den so tell me i'm mad -/u/wb2a/home--/cdsale-/reviews- come to my madness roll me up and breathe me in -guitars,aepithex- make sense of it again
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:41:32 MST From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: More Thoughts: Message-ID: <101AAB22198@UCS.ISU.EDU>
>> Sheesh. =) Although, I did nearly get into an accident approaching >>the Verazzano Bridge at sunrise. What a gorgeous sight. Made me so >>mad I didn't have my camera. > Sunset on the World Trade is very kewl too.....and I never have > a camera around either......oh well.....
Blech! Sunset through the inversion, smog, etc. of a large metropolitan area. Why don't I get a nice case of lung and skin cancer while I'm at it! Seriously, Sunrise over the Sawtooth mountain range presiding over a nice green field and fresh mountain air (depending upon which part of the state yer from) is the best! Also nice is when the sky turns a nice red color and you can see the moon waxing across the other end of the sky with the beautiful shades of twilight proceeding it. And then those damn Dominos Pizza Buffalos always fly over it and shit on it all! Fuckin' buffalos... Every time I reach for my camera, too...
Lovin' Idaho more each say as summer draws closer to those beautiful moments... ChucK
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:42:56 MST From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Controversey - Portnoy vs. Pearty Message-ID: <101B0574F64@UCS.ISU.EDU>
>>>>Either way, Mark Zonder beats them both.
>No way!!! Doesn't he use a lot of triggers?? >Peart is and always will be the king. Ask either of these drummers >who is god god and they will say Neil Peart!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Trey
Ask Neal and he'll look up at you and probably say Carl Palmer. :) Who knows? ChucKleS
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:45:50 -0500 (EST) From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Controversey - Portnoy vs. Pearty Message-ID: <gjIYUCO00YUzQZsJJi@andrew.cmu.edu>
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John B Ashcraft <jbashcra@uncc.edu> writes: > >>>>Either way, Mark Zonder beats them both. > > No way!!! Doesn't he use a lot of triggers??
yeah, on top of playing lots of incredible stuff, he triggers keyboard parts, the synth bass in outside looking in, and stuff like that. he also uses some drum triggers because he doesn't want a ridiculously huge kit like portnoy's. he doesn't have any sdrum roll triggerrs or anything, its just as if he had another drum. besides, doesn't peart use midi stuff?
> Peart is and always will be the king. Ask either of these drummers who is god > god and they will say Neil Peart!!!!!!!!!!!!!
zonder said wreckl (sp?) > > Trey
but you sleep like a ghost with me -william bajzek- come to my madness its as simple as that -http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu- my opium den so tell me i'm mad -/u/wb2a/home--/cdsale-/reviews- come to my madness roll me up and breathe me in -guitars,aepithex- make sense of it again
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:25:56 MST From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Message-ID: <10267E54965@UCS.ISU.EDU>
>who ytsejam
we ytsejam
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:48:00 -500 (EST) From: "DANIEL JAMES TEMMESFELD" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Ytsejam 716/ *some* DT content Message-ID: <2F524C23.0CD8.4E14.000@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
Re: Dream Theater info/ Steve Taylor...
>I saw Steve Taylor last summer at the Flevo Festival in Holland. He >really is a great artist and he acts like a complete lunatic when he >is on stage. Have you heard the tribute album "I predict a clone"? >There are some great bands on that one, including Deliverance, who >play the best Steve Taylor songs. Speaking of Deliverance, check >out their latest album "River Disturbance"!! It sounds a lot like >Queensryche, especially the guitar solos.
Yeah, I have "I Predict A Clone." Deliverance's sound since _Stay Of Execution_ has been a more Queensryche-ish style. Check out "Renew" off of the _Learn_ album. The beginning dialogue sounds almost exactly as the beginning dialogue on Queensryche's "Electric Requim" off of the _Operation:Mindcrime_ album.
>Also, if you're interested in symphonic metal, you should check out >some new bands like Saviour Machine, Torman Maxt and an old band, >called Haven. These bands prove that Christian Rock can be >progressive too!!
Ironically enough, I *just* got Savior Machine's debut album in the mail today. It's pretty good.
>Wietze
Re: Dream Band
Here's my picks:
Vocals- Geoff Tate Lead Guitar- John Petrucci or Nuno Bettencourt Rhythm Guitar- Jimmy P Brown or Gary Lenaire (best of Christian metal) Bass- John Myung Keyboards- Kevin Moore Drums- Mike Portnoy (or maybe Ted Kirkpatrick)
Dan Temmesfeld s1133627@cedarville.edu
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:16:44 -0600 From: rbenedic@gac.edu (Nypsie) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Hello I'm new here Message-ID: <199502272216.QAA00567@gac.edu>
In Ytsjam #120 Mike wrote to answer a previous question: (Question: 1) Who, Why, What is Ytsejam?) <<Ytsejam (MAJESTY backwards) is one of Dream Theater's older songs, from When Dream and Day Unite [WDADU] album. It was so perfectly vague that it was chosen as the mailing list title.>>
When I first subscribed, some five-six months ago, there was something about why and what Ytsjam was. I am not positive, but on the album is it written as Yts Jam (two words)? However, I suppose that the name of the list can't have a space.
What was said was that the name for the the list was even more "obscure." The name of the band, before they were Dream Theater, was Majesty. They had to change their name because there was another band under the name Majesty (am I right?). So this is how they got the name for the song and for the mailing list. In fact, correct me if I am wrong, and I probably am, but aren't there old demos that DT realeased under the name Ytsejam?
I hope that I haven't made to many errors in giving information, but I do believe that the mailing list title is given because of their old name.
Now, about the front cover of Awake. I am pleased with the responses. Just one question: What is the deal with the city in the background? It has to mean something. As for the landscape, it looks to me to be sand dunes or something. Comments. Can this be Scarred? I know that the statue is the Slient Man symbol. How about LSOAD? I feel that it has something to do with the black and gray color feel in the picture compared to the bright color in the mirror. What do people think? Anyway, whatever; just keep the comments coming!
Thanks also to those who have sent things to me on how and where to get more DT things--this will help to add to my already four CD collection. I really appreciate it!!!!
Sorry again for anything that I may have mentioned wrong about the Majesty/Ytsejam thing. Corrections are welcome!
Nypsie
(Thanks also for putting music up for Silent Man. I have had those same problems!)
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:56:53 -0600 (CST) From: Ricky Booth <rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: playing catch-up Message-ID: <199502272256.QAA18841@galaxy.galstar.com>
> 3. The send your signature thing: Thanks for the post, Hairball. Stuff > like that can really throw a wrench into the free speech thing. I say > send them your signature. Let them know you like things the way they are. > We don't want Big Brother here! :D
Yes! Censorship sucks, and so does Moderation. Support free thinking!
> (and I might get flamed for this) Charlie didn't sound all that bad with > them.
YES YES YES! I really like Charlie's voice. Us Charlie Dominci fans are few, but we are around. -- _ __ _____(_)____/ /__ #########/ Rick Booth; rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com /~### / ___/ / ___/ //_/ #######/' "Loss of intrest, question, wonder /~##### / / / / /__/ ,< #####/' waves of fear, they pull me under." /~####### /_/ /_/\___/_/|_| ###/'_The Frayed Ends of Sanity_ / Metallica /~#########
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:05:58 -0600 (CST) From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Mixing Jons bass, etc... Message-ID: <199502272305.RAA19066@galaxy.galstar.com>
There has been much dicussion about John's bass and how poorly its been mixed. I am wondering how they got it screwed up on 3 CDs in a row!
I have countless albums from the 70's that have much better bass mixing. Why can't, with all our better technology now, can't they get John's mix right? I mean, listen to Chris Squire's sound on Close to the Edge by Yes.... it has, not only some of the best bass playing I've ever heard, but such as GREAT sound. Its thick, rich, full, large. It can be not only heard, but felt. It has "bass" of "bass" and it also has the tinnyness of "bass." Imagine, for those who haven't heard Squire, Geddy's sound much larger and fuller, and LOUDER, and there you have it. In my opinion its the best bass sound I've ever heard. And this album was made in 1972! Much, much better in my opinion than John's sound.
And its just not THIS album. Its many others, Rush's albums, ELPs, King Crimson, Genesis, they ALL have incredibly thick bass lines.
So, why? :)
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:13:50 PST From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: THIS IS FOR HAIRBALL Message-ID: <199502272313.PAA02433@netcom17.netcom.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, "UG REIS CHARLES R" said: >>Hairball: > >>Ever think about being a producer? ;-) Get in there and 'fix' John's >>sound so we can hear it. I guess it may not be possible since I did >>not understand your post too much, I know nothing about mixing. I >>guess it's the way he plays. Oh well. I wish he'd play more like >>Geddy Lee, I can always hear Geddy really nice. > >Ignoring all of this technical shit I've been hearing about >compressors and reverbs and the like, I have only one thing to say to >you techies.... > If you can't hear the damn thing, turn the main volume up! It >sounds like Myungs playing through a nice little 4" speaker with >everyone else booming out of 15"ers. I don't know if Myung's shy >about his basslines and doesn't want them to be heard or if the >producers keeps bumping his elbow against the Myung's volume control >but no matter how compressed a signal gets, you can always turn it up >to hear it better.
Actuallym if the frequencies are below your hearing range, which most of Myungs bass output is, you won't actually "hear" it any better at any volume, you'll maybe FEEL it more since it's very subsonic and resonates, but unless you had good subwoofers you won't feel or hear a damn thing...
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 18:29:40 -0500 (EST) From: Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 721 Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.90.950227180820.29796A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Okay - ya'll can sort this one out. Look for your quote, and my response.
> How do they write their songs???
Actually, I asked Mike JUST THAT QUESTION! They basically DO sit and jam out ideas. Believe it or not. I said to him, the last time we ran into each other, was "I can't see you guys jamming..." He said, "You heard the live EP, right?" And I had, on the plane enroute to LA...So, I said, "Yeah." "Well, that [Bombay Vindaloo] is us Jamming!"
>shrug< Who knew? Of course, we're all aware that the intro to TTT on the LiT video turned into The Mirror... ============= ============= > I've often wondered why DT haven't incorporated more harmony vocals > in their material. JP sings quite well the Silent Man vocals live. I > wonder if any of the other guys in the group have decent singing voices? > (Beside that of James of course)
Ever thought about playing most Dream Theater songs on the guitar and singing at the same time? =) Hard. Very Hard.
> From: s9008640@mail.student.utwente.nl.student.utwente.nl > I thought the Nyquist frequency is twice the bandwith of your signal. > this isn't exact the same as two times the highest > frequency.
No, that's not the Nyquist theory. That's something else...what it is, I have no clue. (OH MY GOD, I'VE BEEN STUMPED!) ==================== ==================== > Not a bad lesson...perhaps the only thing missing was a little lesson > on the Fletcher Mundson curves...Yes, I probably spelled those names wrong! > > Greg.
Oh, don't make me go there...lower volume, more mids, in a nutshell.
And I think it's Fletcher-Munson. Not in the text, but, I'm sure I have it somewhere...oh well, not really important, is it? <grin>
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:59:29 -0500 > From: John Mastin <jmastin@motown.ge.com>
> > 1. Addressed to Hairball: I read your post and yes, I live rather close > Philly. Actually closer to Trenton.
Ah. I intern at WPST in Princeton. Yeah, I haul it up there once a week. >I'd like to drop by and see your band play if work lets me out long enough
Send me email, I'll keep you updated.
> Yo man, your knowledge about sound is incredible. My hat's off to you... Well, thanks, but, I wish I knew more. Like mom always said, "It's what you learn after you know everything that really counts."
> From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu> > > If you can't hear the damn thing, turn the main volume up! It > sounds like Myungs playing through a nice little 4" speaker with > everyone else booming out of 15"ers. I don't know if Myung's shy > about his basslines and doesn't want them to be heard or if the > producers keeps bumping his elbow against the Myung's volume control > but no matter how compressed a signal gets, you can always turn it up > to hear it better.
Herein, you get into masking (which I've explained at least twice, much to the dismay of most of you, I'm sure). For a prime example of this, check out Metallica's "And Justice For All."
Incidentally, there's only so much you can turn something up without turning something else down.
And you can only listen to so much so loud for so long...then, you won't hear a goddamned thing!
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 18:45:09 -0500 From: be298@yfn.ysu.edu (Asif I. Khan) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Peart vs. Portnoy Message-ID: <199502272345.AA09000@yfn.ysu.edu>
Hey folks! Its your pakistani percussionist here again...well, if I were to put these two guys together and comment on who's better id have to say Neil.
Ive seen Rush about 9 times and EVERY single time I am absolutely amazed at the Power and Precision Neil has on the kit. From a bar on his KAT pad, flying around to hit a 1" trigger on his right to kicking snare triggers with his feet...Its amazing.
Ive only seen (emphasize seen, not heard or experienced) a DT concert on video (LiT) and what Mike does is amazing but its actually not as difficult as some would like to believe...Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the double bass fills and the delicate splashes and now hes incorporated many triggers on his set...its very refreshing to see this...especially when all we hear on the F****** radio is, well you know what im talking about...
Ive just picked up a boot of Rush from their RTB tour and from the looks of it NEIL DESTROYS HIS KIT! He hits his drums so friggin hard im surprised it lasts a whole tour...Mike doesn't hit as hard, but that doesnt mean he can't.
Both drummers are powerful, yet delicate at times...Mike with LSoaD and on Another Day, and Neil with as someone mentioned before Tears, Tai Shan, Available Light, etc....
I would like to, however, see these two guys duke it out on stage :) Mike's a boxer right ? :)
Later folks,
Asif
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 18:24:40 -0600 (CST) From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Asia...again. Message-ID: <199502280024.SAA20168@galaxy.galstar.com>
> I just recently bought Rush's "2112" and wasn't impressed. It > wasn't at all what I expected, I guess. Sorry, don't flame me, I > really do like Moving Pictures, and all of this really old prog stuff > is hard for me to get into. (I mean, 2112 was made before I was
Really, you shouldn't think that 2112 is all old prog has to offer. In fact, I like most old prog more than 2112. I really liked 2112 when I got it, but its worn on me. Still good though.
Old prog is a very hard to define thing... but the more mainstream (if you can really call it that) groups are Yes, King Crimson, Genesis, Emerson Lake and Palmer, and Kansas. Other more obscure bands are ones such as Gentle Giant. Gentle Giant in particular has some of the best, and possibly most complicated prog out there. I only have one of their albums so far, but I am really getting into. There are about 5 guys in the band all each play many different instruments. I'll list all the insturments they play on this CD. (Its 34 minutes, kinda short, but definetly worth the 10 bucks I paid. They take that 34 minutes and make it seem like 60. A really good album.) Anyway, here are the insturments:
Kerry Minnear: All keyboards, vibraphone, percussion, cello, Moog, lead and backing vocals
Raymond Shulman: Bass violin, guitar, percussion, vocals
Gary Green: Guitars, percussion
Derek Shulman: Lead vocals, alto saxophone
Philip Shulman: Saxophones, trumpet, mellophone, lead and backing vocals
John Weathers: Drums, percussion, xylophone (the xylophone has a really cool solo.)
Geeze, everyone except Philip Shulman plays percussion! Either way, these guys are really great prog, and are definetly recommended. I have Octopus, and have heard that they have better albums. This one is great as it is, so some of their other CDs must be better, which would be hard.
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 18:32:19 -0600 (CST) From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Sampler tapes of Progressive music Message-ID: <199502280032.SAA20283@galaxy.galstar.com>
I've gotten a few responses about the progressive tape sampler I mentioned.
I suppose that I could do one, as I have a good mix of old and new prog, particulary some hard to find new prog. So, if you'd like to see if I could make a tape, just contact me through email and I'll give you details. Also, if you have preferences, please tell me and I'll try and tailor to your current likings (meaning that I will not only put some songs that you should like, but also band's songs that you MIGHT not think of getting because you've heard its bad, when in fact, its not. :))
Also, if someone would like me to, I will post a list of the bands I have and will dub so you can decide whether you'd like me to make up a tape and of what bands.
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 19:54:10 -0500 From: "David John Baranski" <djbarans@eos.ncsu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: samples Message-ID: <9502271954.ZM10267@eos.ncsu.edu>
Hello there all.
Just one simple question, and I'm not sure if it's really been covered. I was just wondering if anyone knew where all the samples on the "Awake" disc come from. And on the "Live Images" boot there is a weird intro to "Pull Me Under" that also has some samples. I'm curious to know if these samples are perhaps from movies that influenced that guys, or if maybe the samples are from some other medium. (But it distinctly sounds like a TV is coming on during one of the samples in "Space-Dye Vest."
Hope someone out there feels like doing some research.
Thanks beforehand, David J. Baranski
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:54:35 -0800 From: srvrip@qualcomm.com (John Hough) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Hairball's explanation Message-ID: <199502280054.QAA06071@qualcomm.com>
Brilliant man! One of the most informative things I've read in a long time! No shit. ---------------------- John Hough srvrip@qualcomm.com "Fear hangs the fellow that ties up his years, entangled in yellow and cries all his tears." SRV: "Couldn't stand the weather" ----------------------
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 18:01:32 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: "Ytse"??? Message-ID: <199502280101.SAA08126@bud.indirect.com>
> Now that I've finally gotten on the list, I thought I'd test it out by > asking a question I'm curious about (don't worry, it's an easy one, and > has probably been answered before...) > How do you pronounce "ytse"? > Is it "white-see"? > or maybe "yutzee" or "yetzee?" > how about "it-see"?
Going by what James says, it's "yit-say jam".
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:38:57 -0500 From: Qghost@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 718 Message-ID: <950227203851_34253823@aol.com>
If you're going to try and argue that Mike Portnoy is better than Neil Peart...at least spell "Neil" correctly.
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