YTSEJAM Digest 661
Today's Topics:
1) Re: am I the oldest Y'jammer?
by Jamie Burks <jburks@mv.MV.COM>
2) Re: cover gig...fw
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
3) electric violins??
by Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
4) Re: MOD
by V C Morrison <UGVMORRI@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU>
5) Re: Difficulty of DT...Keeping up with the LaBries
by bmoore@artemis.ess.ucla.edu (William B. Moore)
6) YTSEJAM digest 659
by "Cackowski, David" <dcackow%eastlrc@ibm4381.onet.edu>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 659
by Alex Lifeson <TRMD@grove.iup.edu>
8) Dubbing Volunteer Here!
by ALVAREZ1@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Alvarez, Paul)
9) Re: Holsinger and cadets
by G-Man <gmsanbo@strauss.udel.edu>
10) Re: Stuff
by James Bickers <jbickers@iglou.com>
11) Re: Re : YTSEJAM digest 654
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
12) Re: RUSH recommendations ?
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
13) Puppies on Acid
by esa2@cornell.edu (Phatty)
14) YoYoYoYo
by SPUDS <bunkerg@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>
15) Re: Music styles
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
16) Re: Re : YTSEJAM digest 654
by James Bako <jbako01@barney.poly.edu>
17) October 28th, 1994
by HuntNKill@aol.com
18) Some musings on YTSEJAM digest 660
by "Perry M. Grayson" <hbjou001@huey.csun.edu>
19) Re: MOD
by "tdb" <tdb@SMTPGwy.microsim.com>
20) RE: am I the oldest Y'jammer?
by "Debra D. Hanson 813-332-1969" <HANSOND@mail.firn.edu>
21) Re: electric violins??
by Andrew Cloninger <ancl@freenet.scri.fsu.edu>
22) Re: RUSH recommendations ?
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
23) Re: am I the oldest Y'jammer?
by starr@fnal.gov
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 14:10:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Jamie Burks <jburks@mv.MV.COM>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: am I the oldest Y'jammer?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.950124140521.4006A-100000@mv.mv.com>
cwoodfin@nih.gov (Clarke Woodfin) wrote
>
> Hi 'Jammers,
>
> I was corresponding with a fellow 'Jammer (Hi, Babs) the other day, and we
> were talking about the high percentage of 'Jammers that are college students
> (this is a good thing - it ensures a long, prosperous future for DT).
> However, I'm 28. Anybody out there older than me? Maybe we'll all get
> together and buy a cane and cover it with DT stickers and give it to the
> oldest 'Jammer.
>
Well, I am 29, but I've only been a jammer for a few months, but a DT fan
for a lot longer. It might be interesting to get an idea the age of DT
fans.
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..the voice of reason against the howling mob. Jamie Burks
- Rush - "Nobodys Hero"
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 14:45:23 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: cover gig...fw
Message-ID: <4j9JXHO00YUtE7SIom@andrew.cmu.edu>
everyone starts with parallels and is dissappointed... so was i. i got
perfect symmetry in a tape trade because i wanted to hear what kevin
did on it and i was amazed by the whole thing... then i got it and no
exit, then the first 2, then parallels, which grew on me quickly
(although i had hated it for a year or so) then inside out and i'm an
addict now. if you get parallels and wanna give them another try, dont
get rid of it because most likely it'll grow on you eventually, if you
dont get the idea in your head that that's the extent of what they do
under brooding skies and watchful eyes-william-bajzek-impaler@cmu.edu
on convulsive seas of false urgency-----http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu
we walk empty corridors in vain--------derek-------.edu/usr/wb2a/home
-cds for sale: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/u/wb2a/cdsale.html-
guitars, not-very-impressive backing vocals, and songwriter, aepithex
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 14:24:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
To: DT:;@donews.uucp
Subject: electric violins??
Message-ID: <01HM87J0S3GY0065E6@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
hello,
awhile back , one of our fellow ytsejammers posted about orchestrated DT and
proposed an idea about electric violins being used...i dont know how this would
sound but it started me thinking...the only song i know of that uses an
electric violin is "Losing It" by RUSH off of their album _Signals_. Does
anyone else know of any other prog music that uses electric violin(s)??
thanks...id be really interested to know...
*******************************************************************************
Anthony Kozar "The Divine Spirit found a sublime outlet in
Univ. of Toledo that wonder of analysis, that portent of the
1042 Acad. Ctr. ideal world, that amphibian between being
akozar@UofT02.utoledo.edu and not-being, which we call the imaginary
http://www.utoledo.edu/~akozar/ root of negative unity." -- Leibniz
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 15:26:07 EST
From: V C Morrison <UGVMORRI@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: MOD
Message-ID: <m0rWrqG-00034UC@donews.cts.com>
A MOD stands for Music Modules. It's a format for computer music first used
on the Amiga line of computers, but then used on PCs and MACs as well. It
uses sound samples that you can get anywhere, or make your own.
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-
"If I started from the top and worked my way down, I'd have no reason
to live forever."
-Dream Theater
-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-
Vincent C. Morrison| S O U L S T E A L E R |UGVMORRI@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU
--------------------------------------------|ENMORRIS@ECUVAX.CIS.ECU.EDU
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 16:12:07 PST
From: bmoore@artemis.ess.ucla.edu (William B. Moore)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Difficulty of DT...Keeping up with the LaBries
Message-ID: <9501250012.AA25248@artemis.ess.ucla.edu>
Steve Sez:
>Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 02:11:05 -0500 (EST)
>From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
>
> I'm curious as to what all you 'jammers think is the most*difficult* DT song out there...
> I'm a singer, and as far as I'm concerned the hardest songs to sing are
> TTT, Surrounded, LtL, LFaGA, and Status Seeker, in that order.
I've gotta agree with you on TTT...James really squeezed 'em for most
of the tune. I love to use it as a workout when I'm tired of the
keyboard. Obviously, different singers will have different strengths
and weaknesses, so we certainly won't all agree on the hardest tune,
passage, wail, whatever, and some of us will find it easier to sing with
Dominici than LaBrie or vice versa. Personally, the new album is somewhat
of a disappointment in that respect (and others, but I don't want to get
into it). I don't think James is as comfortable with the new singing style
as he was on IAW, and the performance just isn't as intense. (I _do_ think
it came across much better live). Anyway, I'm interested to hear what
songs a drummer will pick as the toughest to perform.
. .
/`\ . .
, __/ |/\ +
_/ q / bmoore@artemis.ess.ucla.edu .
\ / "The world is not full enough
/ \ . of wolves." *
/ /
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 16:19:00 EST
From: "Cackowski, David" <dcackow%eastlrc@ibm4381.onet.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: cwoodfin@nih.gov
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 659
Message-ID: <2F259991@OSCS_MAIL_GATE>
Hi Clarke,
I am older...34 in April. I doubt that I am the oldest on the list
though.
Dave C.
Cleveland
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 16:44:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Alex Lifeson <TRMD@grove.iup.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 659
Message-ID: <01HM8CG8EYQQ8Y6S04@grove.iup.edu>
First thing first, if anyone has complete lyrics of 'To Live Forever',
it would fantastic if I could get them. Send them to my address, if you would,
thank you kindly. And to BABS, I believe that before The Mirror was The
Mirror, it was just a little intro to Take the Time, I believe they called it
Puppies On Acid, or something like that. It's wierd that you mentioned that,
because I was just watching the Tokyo Video, and was wondering why they called
it that. If anyone knows why, or wants to coorect me if I'm wrong, take your
stab.
Brian Eichorn
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Date: 24 Jan 95 22:06 GMT
From: ALVAREZ1@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Alvarez, Paul)
To: YTSEJAM@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Dubbing Volunteer Here!
Message-ID: <790985767.0852686@AppleLink.Apple.COM>
>Just a little update on the dubbing thing. I got Kev's three new demos last
>Thursday (I'm listening to them on headphones for about the twentieth time as
>I type :), so I just sent out instructions to everyone who volunteered to be
>a dub site. Hopefully, some dub sites within the US will be ready to open as
>soon as the beginning of February (yes, that soon!). Slowly, but surely, the
>ball is now rolling. :) The demos add up to about 55 minutes total, BTW!
>It's like getting a whole new album. :)
>If anyone who wrote to me about being a dub site hasn't received a dubbing
>FAQ within the next day or two, e-mail me and I'll make sure that you get
>one. Thanks!
>I'll keep you posted!
>Jennifer
><air dance@aol.com>
--------------------------------
Hi Jennifer,
I didn't contact you earlier about being a dub site, but I would like to
volunteer to do so if you are still looking for support. I have high quality
cassette recorders and a DAT depending on what kind of first generation master
you were going to be providing. I could start going as soon as I get the
masters.
Please let me know if I can help (as I am also very interested in hearing
Kevin's new work!).
Paul Alvarez
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 18:11:06 -0500 (EST)
From: G-Man <gmsanbo@strauss.udel.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Holsinger and cadets
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950124180753.14216D-100000@strauss.udel.edu>
Hi! So you were in that show with Perilous Skies, huh? Very
impressive! I'm the drum captain in the marching band at the U of D and
was very impressed by that show. Saw a video of it. You must know Eric
Heisler, hmm? I think he plays/played 1st bass? He lives in my dorm,
I've had a couple classes with him. Do you think there's a connection
between drum corps and Dream Theater? maybe.
Garrett
| Garrett M Sanborne Univ of Delaware |=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|
| =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | Disco is to music as |
| Dream Theater * Rush * Queensryche * | Etch-A-Sketch is to art. |
| * Led Zeppelin * Metallica * Mozart |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 18:22:39 -0500 (EST)
From: James Bickers <jbickers@iglou.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950124182158.17028A-100000@iglou>
> I have said this repeatedly in the past, and since there are new people here
> all the time, I'll say it again. I DON'T GET FATES. I mean, DT, Rush, QR
> all blow me away - so what the hell is my problem? (This is where someone
> will say something quick like 'because you have shit in your ears') Paralles
> puts me to sleep. Remember, these guys have been around for a pretty long
> time - if DT is already bigger than they ever will be, maybe there is a good
> reason for it.
>
> Mike
Please, before you give up on FW, try one more thing... "Awaken the
Guardian." IMHO, their best album.
James
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 18:35:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Re : YTSEJAM digest 654
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950124183016.12472B@oak.liii.com>
On Tue, 24 Jan 1995 EMRST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu wrote:
>
>
>
> There's inconsistencies among the information concerning this new bootleg. For
> the last week or so, any mention has claimed that this boot was from Oct. 28 at
> the Manhattan Center in NY. The year was never even mentioned, let alone any
> songs being mentioned except metropolis and Another Day, so I thought this was
> another Images and Tour show. Now Kaoru says its from Oct. 29, 1995. I'm glad
> to hear it's an Awake show, but it couldn't have been from Oct. 28 or 29, since
> these shows were in Baltimore and Pittsburgh respectively. Kaoru, does James
> say "New York" on the recording? If so, someone reiterate when they played at
> the Manhattan Center. Both Baltimore and Pittsburgh shows included Set the Sun
> but not Innocence Faded, so the location could be messed up also. I'm just
> curious to whether we can figure this out. I was at the Pittsburgh show, and
> Putrucci's acoustic didn't work for Silent Man, so they stopped the song and
> started it over with him playing his electric. This is distinctive of
> Pittsburgh, so if this isn't on the recording, then it's not from Oct. 29.
>
> KAI
The Manhattan Center date is October 28 1994
A way to verify if the CD is from Manhattan Center is to listen to the
end of Take The Time. Dereks's piano goes out and he uses an organ sound
instead.
Andy
=================================================
ANDREW KEEGAN (akeegan@liii.com)
"I am but a starling,
learning the currents of the air"
-Castanarc
================================================
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 19:14:19 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: RUSH recommendations ?
Message-ID: <9501250314.AA06374@teng6.fmt>
>
> Hi fellow jammers out there.
> It's hard to find old Rush, so
> I'll probable by any of their albums as they become available, but
> could you give me some pointers to which Rush albums should be
> considered essential?
I'll give what I consider the best albums to get from the
different Rush "Eras":
from the 70's- (I'd include FBN instead of HS, but since
you already have it... By-Tor and the SD
rocks!)
1. 2112 ('76) (a must have for any metal fan)
2. Hemispheres ('78) (for La Villa Strangiato- perhaps
the best instrumental ever written)
early 80's-
*1. Moving Pictures ('81) (considered by most to be their
best album *ever*)*
2. Power Windows ('85) (since you already have Permanent Waves,
the next best might be this album,
although it might not be hardcore
enough for you)
post PW 80's -90's
1. Hold Your Fire ('87) (I hold this and MP to be the
best Rush albums ever- the album
that got me intro'd me to Rush
back then *this album* marks the
end of a "Rush Era" - to paraphrase
Geddy- and if you have all the albums,
you'll know what he means)
2. Counterparts ('93) (their most recent effort, and their best
since HYF, some good, heavy stuff here)
if you like jazz, you *might* like -
1. Presto ('89) (probably their most unique and
interesting album although *I*
wouldn't put in it my top 5)
if you just want a sampling:
*1.2-CD set "Chronicles" ('90) (has at least 2 songs from
*every* album up to HYF and
1 song from Presto, a good
sampler to start from)*
2. Exit Stage Left ('81) (this is a live album which has a lot
of excellent stuff *plus* a killer
drum solo *and* Xanadu (*no one* was
doing stuff like Xanadu back then-
definitely a top 5 of all time song),
from A Farewell to Kings ('77) which
I didn't include in the list above.)
3. A Show of Hands ('89) (better live album that has
mostly new stuff with some stuff
from albums I didn't include above
and this is *excellent* sounding,
probably one of the best live arena-
recorded albums ever put out by
anyone.)
bootlegs-
1. Rush 'n Roulette '92 (probably the best Rush boot
2-CD out there *this is a soundboard*
from a Rush show with, IMO, the
best setlist of any Rush show
ever. *killer encore*)
I might've missed some dates because I haven't really listened
to Rush for about 9 months (since the last tour) because I've
been busy listening to Metallica, Dream Theater and now
Queensryche (geared or are gearing up for the respective tours)
(The two asterisked albums and the two live albums are the ones
I most strongly suggest.)
Anyway, have fun!
Zach
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 22:48:47 -0500
From: esa2@cornell.edu (Phatty)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Puppies on Acid
Message-ID: <v02110105ab4b34262e1b@[132.236.236.80]>
>The beginning to the Mirror... also entitled Puppies on Acid has been
>around for quite a while.
If the Images tour's beginning to TTT (also the beginning to the Mirror) is
Puppies on Acid, then what's the title of the jam after 'To Live Forever'
on the LitS boot?
-Eric
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 17:53:36 -0700 (MST)
From: SPUDS <bunkerg@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: YoYoYoYo
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.950124173655.12690A-100000@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>
It's me again ladies and gentledudes. I'd just like to put in my
49.3 cents.
1) Got a suggestion for the DT poll. Since a lot of people on
the list are college or older, how about a place for
career or major? I'm sorta curious about what every body
else does to pay for their DT habits.
2) I've got the GFTPM transcriptions to TTT and also Eroto,
CIAW, and Lie. Just send me your address and I'll
photocopy them for you and send them.
3) MANDATORY Rush CD's (in my opinion and in order):
Hemispheres
A Farewell to Kings
Permanent Waves
Moving Pictures
Signals
Power Windows
Presto
Counterparts
4) Jennifer, how in the world could we as jammer's convince you
to dub copies of Kev's demos??
Take care everybody!!!
Greg Bunker
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 20:04:17 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Music styles
Message-ID: <Yj9OCFy00YUrEQ83Qr@andrew.cmu.edu>
William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca> writes:
> I've been hearing Al DiMeola's Kiss My Axe is good.
i think its excellent... there are some similarities to DT in the way
on some of the solos the guitar and keyboards play the same thing...
its not for everybody, buts its very good. excellent guitar and
keyboards...
under brooding skies and watchful eyes-william-bajzek-impaler@cmu.edu
on convulsive seas of false urgency-----http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu
we walk empty corridors in vain--------derek-------.edu/usr/wb2a/home
-cds for sale: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/u/wb2a/cdsale.html-
guitars, not-very-impressive backing vocals, and songwriter, aepithex
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 20:18:56 -0500 (EST)
From: James Bako <jbako01@barney.poly.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Re : YTSEJAM digest 654
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9501242044.A231-0100000@barney>
On Tue, 24 Jan 1995 EMRST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu wrote:
>
> >>and he mentioned one called "Kick Into A Dream" Has anyone heard
> >>anything about this one?
>
> > I got it, and someone already mentioned about it... The date is Oct 29th
> > 1995, at Manhattan Center in NY. Very good audience recording I guess,
> > and completed gig is recorded. Set list has "The Ones" but no Innocence
> > Faded. It's good boot as LoS in my opinion. :)
>
WOW!! 1995!!!! Shit, that means that time travel has just been invented
and implemented :))))
> another Images and Tour show. Now Kaoru says its from Oct. 29, 1995. I'm glad
> to hear it's an Awake show, but it couldn't have been from Oct. 28 or 29, since
> these shows were in Baltimore and Pittsburgh respectively. Kaoru, does James
> say "New York" on the recording? If so, someone reiterate when they played at
> the Manhattan Center. Both Baltimore and Pittsburgh shows included Set the Sun
> but not Innocence Faded, so the location could be messed up also. I'm just
I was at the 10/28/94 show in NY, and according to the t-shirt, the 27th
was baltimore and 29th was Pittsburgh. hope this straightens everything out.
James Bako
jbako01@barney.poly.edu
Polytechnic University
Brooklyn, New York
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 20:25:33 -0500
From: HuntNKill@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: October 28th, 1994
Message-ID: <950124193549_5477270@aol.com>
>>>There's inconsistencies among the information concerning this new bootleg.
For
the last week or so, any mention has claimed that this boot was from Oct. 28
at
the Manhattan Center in NY. The year was never even mentioned, let alone any
songs being mentioned except metropolis and Another Day, so I thought this
was
another Images and Tour show. Now Kaoru says its from Oct. 29, 1995. I'm
glad
to hear it's an Awake show, but it couldn't have been from Oct. 28 or 29,
since
these shows were in Baltimore and Pittsburgh respectively. Kaoru, does James
say "New York" on the recording? If so, someone reiterate when they played
at
the Manhattan Center. Both Baltimore and Pittsburgh shows included Set the
Sun
but not Innocence Faded, so the location could be messed up also. I'm just
curious to whether we can figure this out. I was at the Pittsburgh show, and
Putrucci's acoustic didn't work for Silent Man, so they stopped the song and
started it over with him playing his electric. This is distinctive of
Pittsburgh, so if this isn't on the recording, then it's not from Oct. 29.<<<
The date is October 28th, 1994 at the Manhattan Center in New York City in
the
state of New York in the United States. Yes, it was the AWAKE tour. No,
Dream Theater was NOT in Baltimore on October 28th, 1994. Unless the show I
saw on October 28th, 1994 in the Manhattan Center was a mirage or a dream,
Dream Theater was DEFINITELY in the MANHATTAN CENTER ON OCTOBER 28TH, 1994.
That is what it says on my CD box for "Kick into a Dream." If you have an
Awake tour shirt, look at the dates. They were in New York, NY on October
28th, 1994. I repeat, the AWAKE TOUR.
Yours,
Jeff
<<<==<==<==<==<==<==<==<==<==<<<</-\-/-\-/-\>>>>==>==>==>==>==>==>==>==>==>>>
Jeff Chew is: "Should I turn on my religion?
huntnkill@aol.com These demons in my head tell me to"
-John Petrucci
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 17:25:20 +0800 (PST)
From: "Perry M. Grayson" <hbjou001@huey.csun.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Some musings on YTSEJAM digest 660
Message-ID: <Pine.3.03.9501241718.A29201-c100000@huey.csun.edu>
Fellow Ytsejam acolytes--
In Digest #660, Brian Nielsen <norman@iesd.auc.dk> wrote:
> Being a Dream Theater fan for a couple of years (yep, I also got
> WDADU, if you still remember that thread;) and several other prog
> bands, my attention has been brought to the music of Rush. I know that
> most of you like Rush, so I find this the best place to ask for
> recommendations. I currently have Fly by Night on vinyl and Permanent
> waves on CD. Of the two I like PW best. It's hard to find old Rush, so
> I'll probably by any of their albums as they become available, but
> could you give me some pointers to which Rush albums should be
> considered essential?
I would recommend that you search for "Moving Pictures" (1981) and
"2112" (1976); these are my personal Rush favorites. "2112" in particular
is a disc I never tire of listening to--IMHO it is a richly-detailed
concept album. DT furthers my amazement in creating new musical concepts
that affect me even more than Rush...
> Thanks in advance.
Your entirely welcome.
In the same digest no., jjens@osf1.gmu.edu (John Jens, Jr.) wrote:
> Howdy fellow 'Jammers. sorry for the lack o' DT content but...
Since Fates has been opening up for DT, I think it's quite valid to
talk about them...
> ..with all this talk about Fates Warning, i felt i had to post. i was first
> introduced to FW 3 years ago, and i hated it. but a band i was in played
> several covers from No Exit, Perfect Symmetry, and Parallels so i was put on
> a strict listening diet of FW and Queensryche -- i din't like QR at the time
> either; what was wrong w/ me???. i grew to appreciate FW for the seemingly
> simplicity of their songs as a whole but also for the complexity of each
> intrument's part. what i realize now is that i hadn't been *listening* to
> the songs, i had only heard them. most ppl don't *listen* to music. yes,
> they hear to melody and the singing but they do not understand exactly what
> is going on or the complexity/simplicity of the individual parts and then
> putting those pieces together.
From the standpoint of Fates' song structure, they are a band that
illustrates the fact that sometimes less seems like more and can be more
aurally exciting than a section of flailing 16th notes. A particular
passage on one instrument may seem simply constructed on one hand, but
when listened to in the context of the whole band it takes on new depth.
> FW is what i call musician's music. i usually put DT into this group, tho DT
> is easier for the normal, everyday person to hear. i'm not saying that DT is
> easy to play or understand; i'm just saying that DT appeals more towards
> non-musician types than FW.
Being a guitarist, I see this too. FW did not appeal to me as much
until several years ago when I actually began to realize how outright
difficult it was to achieve what they and some other bands I admire are
able to accomplish. IMHO Yngwie Malmsteen is also music for musicians.
The complexity involved in the techniques he uses often works against
him--in the way that this turns off many potential listeners. Personally,
I see no reason to frown on someone who can pick as fast and craft such
neo-classical melodies for the mere reason that I may never be able to
scratch at his pedestal. It is the same way with DT for me. For those
who are guitarists, sweep picking arpeggios isn't exactly an easy
task--and I concentrated years on my own practicing it.
> FW is an amazing group, but not for every listener.
I thoroughly agree with you there.
Best,
Perry Grayson
P.S. As another CA Ytsejammer, I'd like to mention I've had no ill effects
from the flooding rains--which continue to pour... and pour--and still
pour down more as the days go on!
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 17:18:21 PST
From: "tdb" <tdb@SMTPGwy.microsim.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: MOD
Message-ID: <9500247909.AA790998035@SMTPGwy.microsim.com>
Graham B. asks:
> What is a mod?
A .MOD is sort of a cross between a MIDI sequence (.MID) and a digital
sample (.WAV or .VOC). I believe they originated on the Amiga. Anyway,
it's basically a bunch of list (or sequence) or commands which say "play
this note at this time on this instrument". That's pretty much what a MIDI
file is, too, but the difference is that a .MOD also contains the samples
for all the instruments that it needs. The player program takes the sample
and transposes it to whatever note it needs and plays that. This means
that a .MOD should sound pretty much the same no matter what device you
play it on - as opposed to a MIDI file which sounds radically different
depending on what device it's played on (e.g. a Roland Sound Canvas vs. an
Adlib card in a PC. - think how different Petrucci would sound on a $10
plastic guitar...) It also means that you can put in vocal samples.
Did that make sense?
-- Tim
(if you are what you eat, does that mean that only cannibals are human?)
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 22:14:54 EST
From: "Debra D. Hanson 813-332-1969" <HANSOND@mail.firn.edu>
To: "ytsejam@arastar.com" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: RE: am I the oldest Y'jammer?
Message-ID: <D110ZVPEVZTIR*/R=FIRNVX/R=A1/U=HANSOND/@MHS>
<<<<I'm 28. Anybody out there older than me? Maybe we'll all get
together and buy a cane and cover it with DT stickers and give it to the
oldest 'Jammer. >>>>
Let's hope there are 'jammers of all ages. I'm 36, and being on here with
all the college students has been a tremendous pleasure! If I'd had
Internet access when I was in college, I'd never have gone to class! But,
hold on there, I don't think I'm ready for that cane yet!
Deb
hansond@mail.firn.edu
"You'll find all you need in your mind..."
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 22:28:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Cloninger <ancl@freenet.scri.fsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: electric violins??
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9501242258.A23910-0100000@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu>
On Tue, 24 Jan 1995, Anthony wrote:
> awhile back , one of our fellow ytsejammers posted about orchestrated DT and
> proposed an idea about electric violins being used...i dont know how this would
> sound but it started me thinking...the only song i know of that uses an
> electric violin is "Losing It" by RUSH off of their album _Signals_. Does
> anyone else know of any other prog music that uses electric violin(s)??
> thanks...id be really interested to know...
Although I doubt that many people on this list will have heard the track,
there is a song on Amy Grant's CD "Lead Me On" called "Wait for the
Healing" that has an AMAZING progressive rock sound and a violin break a la
"Losing it" in 7/4 even! If you have a chance to get hold of this CD, DO IT!
(The bad thing is, she's done nothing remotely like this since ... )
Andrew
P.S. Listen to just about ANY Kansas and youll hear that violin too!!!
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 21:28:23 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: RUSH recommendations ?
Message-ID: <199501250428.VAA18768@bud.indirect.com>
> Hi fellow jammers out there.
>
> Being a Dream Theater fan for a couple of years (yep, I also got
> WDADU, if you still remember that thread;) and several other prog
> bands, my attention has been brought to the music of Rush. I know that
> most of you like Rush, so I find this the best place to ask for
> recommendations. I currently have Fly by Night on vinyl and Permanent
> waves on CD. Of the two I like PW best. It's hard to find old Rush, so
Buy Moving Pictures. Buy Moving Pictures. Buy Moving Pictures.
Buy Moving Pictures. Ad infinitum... :)
Most people will agree it's the greatest album ever made. It will
open you up to Rush like nothing else could... it hooked every Rush fan I
know, every single one! :)
Heck, the album's triple platinum WITHOUT counting copies and
used CDs and the like, so millions of fans can't be wrong! :) (actually,
isn't Snoop Doggy Dogg's album platinum too? I guess millions of people
CAN be wrong. Terribly, horribly wrong.) But not about Moving Pictures! hehe
> I'll probable by any of their albums as they become available, but
> could you give me some pointers to which Rush albums should be
> considered essential?
After Moving Pictures, pick up A Farewell to Kings, Presto,
Counterparts, and 2112. These will give you a very good sampler of
several different "phases" of Rush, and those albums seem to erupt with
an energy and rawness that is so quintessentially Rush that you will have
that much better of a time with more refined, more laid back albums
later, such as Hold Your Fire, Grace Under Pressure, et al.
The song itself A Farewell to Kings is very highly representative
of Rush, as is Xanadu, Closer to the Heart, The Pass, 2112, Something for
Nothing, Animate, Cold Fire, and Presto itself. All of these can be found
on those four "next thing to get" albums above. :)
> Thanks in advance.
On the contrary... thank YOU for joining in with the growing
number of people who have been opened up to Rush! One day we WILL be
heard... now that Elektra owns Atlantic (parent of Rush's Anthem) maybe
they will get promoted worth something... Rush has been on the radio
nonstop locally, including a lot of newer stuff.
- + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + -
Mike Bahr / garion@indirect.com / Dream Theater FAQ Editor / Rush! GL,AL,NP
Morrigan - Priss - Nakoruru - Shaurotto - Felicia - Chun Li - Ranma-chan
Shampoo - Nabiki - Mai Shiranui - Sylia - Kasumi - Ukyou - Cammy - Linna
Nene - Misa - Lum - Min-may - Miyu - Mana - Marie Angel - Akane - Musika
Himiko - Megumi - Jeanne Francoix - Akemi - Millia Farina - Vision - Tiita
If only they came as good in real life as they come in anime'...
- + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + -
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Date: Tue Jan 24 22:51:56 1995
From: starr@fnal.gov
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: am I the oldest Y'jammer?
Message-ID: <m0rWzhQ-0001UBC@crash.cts.com>
>
>Uhm... uh, I'm 72. Does that make me the oldest?
>
>Nahh.... just kidding. I'm actually 16. While we're seeing who is the
>oldest, can anyone beat my 16? (Or my royal-flush for that matter?)
>
I'm 42 and live by the motto that if it's too loud you're too old.
And after all these years it's still not too loud. I'm a freelance live sound
engineer and studio producer.
Michael Lee Starr
Fermi National Accelerator Lab
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